The Syndicate

I'm checking in! The game looks complicated but not overly so. Excited to get this show on the road

Okay so I have caught up (sort of anyway) and I have a question/concern/thought

boo wrote:

Team 2: Utilities (2)
This team starts the game with BTSC. Kills even nights. Cannot be NKed by the Railroads. Any player who lands on a utility will have their property learned by the utilities, and if they are ever lynched, the utilities will have $300 applied to a bid on the property.

I am slightly confused, doesn't this give the baddies away more easily as they are more likely to 'win' the bet, or does this simply mean that the baddies need to be careful in terms of what they are bidding so as not to give themselves away? (or, which can also be the case: am I just not getting it)


Also, I am quite a conservative player in any board game so no bidding for me yet About the whole teaming up question and which cards to buy, it's kinda tricky I mean I can easily see this game becoming about trying to stop (assumed) BTSC teams from aquiring certain properties rather than focusing on lynching bad guys, but then again, if you think certain people have BTSC then they become baddies for you as well since they are out to kill you as well eventually
The only thing to really go on right now is 'following the money' as it is more likely baddies spend more money on powers/bids since they have more than other players

S~V~S wrote:
The thing that is confusing me, I guess, is all the worrying people are doing about what MIGHT happen if civs form monopolies and become indies rather than worrying about two actual baddie teams that have kills. And I just reread the Utilities, those guys are super powerful. They know roles, plus they have a bidding advantage if those known cards come up for sale.

Are you talking about those cards that come up for sale because of their kill? Because I sorta agree with you but like i wondered previously, wouldnt it become too obvious if one or two people keep winning the bid of cards of people who were killed on even nights?

also question off topic: the time stated for the voting deadline, is that adjusted to the timezone I put in my board preferences (UK)? Or do I need to count like a few hours back because it is based on an American timezone?

(I can already tell that the end vote times won't be to my advantage, no way I am staying up till 3 am to see who is getting a lot of votes so I can change mine last minute as well)
Anyway, day 1 votes are always hard and I hate to vote random. So far I don't really see any of the big BTSC debaters as bad per se, so I am gonna vote for Made for bidding quite a lot of money on a special power but backing out when Elochin bid 250, if I were a baddie I wouldn't want people to think I had too much money on my hands either. It's not a very good reason, but it's day 1 and it is a reason nonetheless.

Elohcin wrote:

HannaK wrote:(I can already tell that the end vote times won't be to my advantage, no way I am staying up till 3 am to see who is getting a lot of votes so I can change mine last minute as well)
Anyway, day 1 votes are always hard and I hate to vote random. So far I don't really see any of the big BTSC debaters as bad per se, so I am gonna vote for Made for bidding quite a lot of money on a special power but backing out when Elochin bid 250, if I were a baddie I wouldn't want people to think I had too much money on my hands either. It's not a very good reason, but it's day 1 and it is a reason nonetheless.

Where do you live?

Leeds, UK

And wow I voted for Made before the slip-up for a minor reason but I guess my reasoning was solid enough then. And yeah I like FZ's plan in theory, but I am definitely not trusting anyone enough yet to make the plan a reality

Hedgeowl wrote:

FZ. wrote:Asking again:

What happens if no one bids on a property?
Because if we decide we don't bid and baddies do, we know they're baddies, and if they're too scared to bid on them too, they don't get them?

I cant imagine any baddie actaully doing that though. Its a good thought not bidding, but what baddie would out themselves that way. Another thought would be to bid last minute so you cant be nkd for the card that night and then sell it as LC said he would do.

RIP SVS
Honestly, I don't really see why people are *that* afraid of bidding, I mean, like LC said, I can imagine there are a lot of people who would gladly take the card off your hands if it is anonymous anyway and that way you earn a nice amount of money.

I am inclined to believe FZ because back in the day I sorta played the pity card when I was civvie as well when I felt overwhelmed with the game and everything, plus it is also an indicator FZ doenst have BTSC.
The person I am mostly looking to right now is juliets, now I am nor familair with the style juliets normally plays, but looking through the posts I find it weird that most of them are either questions directed at other players who they find suspicous without really contributing anything substantial or info about votes and/or money. To me this feels like a good baddie tactic, posting without revealing too much about yourself so I am gonna go ahead and vote juliets. I'm not 100% convinced but so far this has spiked my baddie-sensor the most.

juliets wrote:

HannaK wrote:I am inclined to believe FZ because back in the day I sorta played the pity card when I was civvie as well when I felt overwhelmed with the game and everything, plus it is also an indicator FZ doenst have BTSC.
The person I am mostly looking to right now is juliets, now I am nor familair with the style juliets normally plays, but looking through the posts I find it weird that most of them are either questions directed at other players who they find suspicous without really contributing anything substantial or info about votes and/or money. To me this feels like a good baddie tactic, posting without revealing too much about yourself so I am gonna go ahead and vote juliets. I'm not 100% convinced but so far this has spiked my baddie-sensor the most.

HannaK, my mafia style is to ask questions. Also, I got lynched once for being too nice. These two things are hallmarks of my style, i.e., regardless of my alignment I ask a lot of questions - that's how I process information - and I am normally polite when playing. You can ask the people who play with me often and I'm pretty sure they will say the same. I'm not sure what you mean about revealing anything about myself - did you read the post I just posted about who I am thinking about right now?

Speaking of that TH, TH there is one other person who has caught my eye depending on how he answers my question and that is llama. I forgot to include that in my last post.

Since everyone seems to confirm this is your playstyle I guess I should say my bad then

I am kinda worried about how everyone jumps onto a bandwagon of someone who only received like 2 votes (FZ), just for the reason to have the 200$ added, I mean, I get why you would do that if there is still a few minutes left to vote and it is clear that he or she is going to be lynched, but I could easily see us voting out civvies very easily just because he or she received 2 or 3 votes at the beginning of the day and everyone just tagging along with it because money

Man i chose a bad day to be away from my computer yesterday

S~V~S wrote:

Boogs wrote:This changes my whole perception of the situation that LC could have been a color set, and that in fact he could have auto searched a Railroad if Llama was already found. I agree his behavior was iffy on Day 0 and I agree with MP on the total turnabout on Llama. He did a fake back and forth with Bullzeye in Monty where i didn't bite on it too much and they played me at the end when they were distancing teammates. I would NOT put past LC to do it here again with Llama. Not to mention Llama and him having fake arguments today on "don't ruin my game" and stuff to now them not after each other again and focusing lights on me and MM to get out of the radar.

So you want to lynch them whether they are baddies or LMS? LMS without a kill is better than a civvie, but i would still rather find a baddie. And even if we are to accept that they have BTS now, how do you know it is baddie BTS, not civvie BTS?

Did either LC or Llama land on a utility?

The whole Llama LC theory is interesting and I can definitely see the reasoning. They could as of this moment have a set of 3, it's not unlikely especially in light of the auto-find LC used (but then again that means that they had to have gotten lucky on night 1, what are the odds?). However, the biggest problem I have with the theory, is the conclusion of it. Like SVS says, I don't see how we should care *this much* if there are a set with hotel buying powers and such when you compare it to the money and power the baddies have right now. Sure, they could also be a baddie set, but again: what are the odds.
I'm just a little bit torn right now as I have no very firm suspicions of my own right now as to who are bad, I have been trying to follow the money (as I still think the money people spend can be the biggest clue as to who are bad and have too much money on their hands), but so far nothing super concrete stands out yet.
So maybe in the end it might be better to lynch someone from a suspected set rather than mistakingly lynching a civvie with no set...

MovingPictures07 wrote:

HannaK wrote:Man i chose a bad day to be away from my computer yesterday

S~V~S wrote:

Boogs wrote:This changes my whole perception of the situation that LC could have been a color set, and that in fact he could have auto searched a Railroad if Llama was already found. I agree his behavior was iffy on Day 0 and I agree with MP on the total turnabout on Llama. He did a fake back and forth with Bullzeye in Monty where i didn't bite on it too much and they played me at the end when they were distancing teammates. I would NOT put past LC to do it here again with Llama. Not to mention Llama and him having fake arguments today on "don't ruin my game" and stuff to now them not after each other again and focusing lights on me and MM to get out of the radar.

So you want to lynch them whether they are baddies or LMS? LMS without a kill is better than a civvie, but i would still rather find a baddie. And even if we are to accept that they have BTS now, how do you know it is baddie BTS, not civvie BTS?

Did either LC or Llama land on a utility?

The whole Llama LC theory is interesting and I can definitely see the reasoning. They could as of this moment have a set of 3, it's not unlikely especially in light of the auto-find LC used (but then again that means that they had to have gotten lucky on night 1, what are the odds?). However, the biggest problem I have with the theory, is the conclusion of it. Like SVS says, I don't see how we should care *this much* if there are a set with hotel buying powers and such when you compare it to the money and power the baddies have right now. Sure, they could also be a baddie set, but again: what are the odds.
I'm just a little bit torn right now as I have no very firm suspicions of my own right now as to who are bad, I have been trying to follow the money (as I still think the money people spend can be the biggest clue as to who are bad and have too much money on their hands), but so far nothing super concrete stands out yet.
So maybe in the end it might be better to lynch someone from a suspected set rather than mistakingly lynching a civvie with no set...

I know you're new here, the posting is of high volume, and it's still early in the game. Nonetheless, I just want to confirm: You say you have absolutely no thoughts on anyone being bad right now? Nothing has stuck out to you at all? I know you mentioned thoughts on juliets earlier, but those were completely addressed, you feel?

So far I find it quite hard, since I normally often base my suspicions partly on gamestyles of players and since I an new here it's hard to read people's posts. So far juliets posts and defences seem genuine to me and I also don't think Boogs is bad. The case against BWT is interesting as well, I am gonna re-read some of that tonight if I find the time

Long Con wrote:

Hannah wrote:.
So maybe in the end it might be better to lynch someone from a suspected set rather than mistakingly lynching a civvie with no set...

That would not be better. I am not in a set, I am a Civvie with a Civvie BTSC partner. This game is designed so that the Civvies get an advantage through BTSC pairs. Don't look away from baddies and lynch me, please.

I know that's what you are claiming yes, that's why I say 'suspected set' and I fully see the benefit of obtaining a BTSC partner, the thing is though, I am inclined to believe you already found all of your teammates, as I have read llama's defence but don't neccessarily find it convincing.

Okay I've been trying to wait around for BWT to come around and answer to the case that's been made but I gotta leave now and so far that case looks the most convincing to me, especially because if (and that already is an if) Long Con is in a set with Llama and another person, they dont have to be a mafia team and especially considering how strong the baddies are right now in terms of money and knowledge, I think lynching (potential) baddies is a priority to lynching potential indysets so I am gonna go ahead and vote for BWT.

Yay good call on BWT! and welcome Bea!
I am not sure why people are inclined to bid on electronic company, are you planning on selling it again as soon as you have it or arent you afraid of getting NKed?

Guys I am so sorry for missing the vote, my sister was in town for the weekend and I thought I would have time to keep up with the game but I couldn't, sorry. From Monday on I should have enough time to really get into the game again tho

Yay for lynching a baddie, again!

@Epi I've probably just been reading too many posts after each other and I can't make sense of everything right now, but how does Boogs bidding patterns relate to him being bad? (I do like the rest of your case though)

Personally, I am beginning to get more worried about seeing these houses appear on the board + that there are already 2 LMS groups than the baddies as the baddies aren't doing so well during the night (+ getting lynched quite a lot) so I feel that as long as we are not sure about whether we are lynching a baddie, we should maybe direct our attention to members of LMS groups

Turnip Head wrote:I don't have a good answer to why I bid $10 instead of $7 Epi. I wish I had bid $7 because maybe I wouldn't be wrapped up in this controversy. I thought $10 would win me the property but I didn't win. I have no reason to lie about this.

I did win the Short Line yesterday and I plan on putting it up for silent auction since it seems like that's a thing.

If Boogs didn't think his bid would win, why did he make it? I think he put a secret vote on BWT.

Silent action means that no one will know who buys it right, not even you? Because if that's the case, then it seems fairly obvious that the people who are gonna bid for Short Line will be bad

Epignosis wrote:HannaK, are you a Fallout fan?

as I am currently sitting in front of my laptop wearing a Vault 101 shirt i'm inclined to say yes

Turnip Head wrote:Juliets, Boogs didn't vote for BWT so he didn't get the $200 bonus. What doesn't make sense is why Boogs would bid $10 when he knew the bidding was at $206.

Hanna, the auctioneer can choose whichever offer they prefer. The biggest bid need not be accepted. If I hold onto Short Line, the baddies can kill me and get it for free. If I auction it, I can choose an arbitrary bid, and the baddies won't know who holds the property.

Alright so that means that either the baddies have a chance of getting it (if you happen to accept a badide bid) or they will definitely get it when they kill you...I'd say choose wisely.

Turnip Head wrote:

Boogs wrote:Guys, just to note:
This team starts the game with BTSC. Kills even nights Cannot be NKed by the Railroads. Any player who lands on a utility will have their property learned by the utilities, and if they are ever lynched, the utilities will have $300 applied to a bid on the property.
Does that explain why TH isnt dead with taking railroads and such? I think yes.

What on earth are you trying to say here Boogs? I'm not dead because no ones tried to kill me... How does me being alive make me bad? 0_0

There would be value in this reasoning if the night post would have indicated that someone tried to kill TH and it didnt work (like Hedgeowl), but it didnt.

I think the case against Boogs is valid, but then again I also feel like his defense is genuine...he's changing his opinion a lot I know, but that sounds more like a civvie trying to make sense of things rather than a baddie, who (I assume) would want to appear as consistent as possible

I know I am sort of voting against my own self interest here but I honestly believe Boogs responses have been genuine and I rather vote for someone who I am almost certain is in a LMS group rather than someone who I only slightly believe might be bad (plus I don't like how people bandwagon onto someone for the 200 dollar bonus after just a few votes are in)
so I am gonna vote for Long Con. It won't make much difference but hey a man's gotta have a code (or something along those lines anyway)

So that wasn't a surprise, rip Boogs

Turnip Head wrote:

HannaK wrote:I know I am sort of voting against my own self interest here but I honestly believe Boogs responses have been genuine and I rather vote for someone who I am almost certain is in a LMS group rather than someone who I only slightly believe might be bad (plus I don't like how people bandwagon onto someone for the 200 dollar bonus after just a few votes are in)
so I am gonna vote for Long Con. It won't make much difference but hey a man's gotta have a code (or something along those lines anyway)

Why do you say this vote is against your self interests?

Well, as literally the only one not voting for Boogs I don't have the 200 dollar bonus when bidding on the property right, making bidding on it for me rather useless.

RIP Epig

Both looking at potential Railroads and reds (although I dont get why they are actioning their houses?) sounds good to me, since I am pretty worried how I am a lone civ and they can both kill me

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Hannah, any suspects at all?

It's Hanna and my suspects are mostly based on who I don't suspect if that makes sense:

zeek wrote: My concern over LC is based on him definitely having found one partner and houses present on the board. I'd still rather find a Mafia and I don't see those three as baddies.

This. Although I disagree with the fact that I want to lynch a Mafia today because I don't know where to look. I find neither the case against TH or MP very convincing and sure we can look at a low-poster but then what do we do: just randomly pick one and hope we get lucky?

MovingPictures07 wrote: LC and Llama's actions time and time again convince me that they're not acting in the civvies' best interests. They NO U me, Llama is willing to lynch just about anyone that isn't him or LC, and their posts have been full of behavior that fails to satisfy me as genuine.

The only solid reasoning I have right now is that I find the case against LC convincing that he is very likely to be part of a LMS group and as a sole civvie, this is worrying me the most right now, but hey if someone has a really solid case against a player being mafia I am all ears

Black Rock wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Three different posts came up on my screen; can you quote which one? I presume you mean LCs? Can you quote it rather than linking to it?

It was Llamas I assume.

I did a quick view of post count and who is still on the poll. I'm going to look at the posts of those at the bottom of the list. My gut is looking at Bass for WW right now.

Any specific reasons why your gut is telling you Bass? This seems very random to me

S~V~S wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Please read my case on Turnip Head, Alex, before you condemn my partne-- I mean Long Con, who is definitely not my partner.

I have seen actual baddie teammates do this kinda thing (rabbit & tranq come to mind) to throw people off. People think it's sarcasm, etc. Or know ing Llama, it could be actual sarcasm.

I find this interesting as I used the very same tactic once.

I am redirecting my attention back to llama, the last couple of post llama has made have been really strange especially regarding the rationalization why TH is bad (going back to day 0 posts and everything) also:

thellama73 wrote: I suspect you because you rationalized away the fact that I bought a double search, which I would have had no reason to do if I was already in a team, in order to preserve your theory. I think you just want me gone because my suspicions are dead on.

Could just be you bought it as a defense (which would make even more sense if you were a baddie and had enough money to not really care about the powers you pay for) in the same fashion you might just skip a kill to direct the attention to low posters

thellama73 wrote:

HannaK wrote:

thellama73 wrote: I suspect you because you rationalized away the fact that I bought a double search, which I would have had no reason to do if I was already in a team, in order to preserve your theory. I think you just want me gone because my suspicions are dead on.

Could just be you bought it as a defense (which would make even more sense if you were a baddie and had enough money to not really care about the powers you pay for) in the same fashion you might just skip a kill to direct the attention to low posters

Yes, all of that is possible, but at this point you are not evaluate evidence. You are contriving theories to explain away the evidence, which you could do for any player. When all the evidence points to A but you choose to ignore it because of your belief in B, then we might as well never discuss thread evidence at all.

Mmmm I rather think of it as finding multiple ways to evaluate possible evidence (which is not the same as ignoring it)

Anyway I would love to hear more of the low-posters as well but as that is probably not going to happen I'll try to do a bit of a re-read before deciding whom to vote for

keys56000000000 wrote:I agree with most of the points on TH. The only thing that gives me pause is I don't think WW would neccessarily want to acquire the EC after his partner died - it would obviously draw a lot of attention to WW, and it's not like it would allow WW to build houses/hotels.

Long Con. If he isn't a Raily, there's a good chance he's completed his set and is no longer a civilian. At any rate, he's got to go at some point.

The fact that you get a lot more money if you own both EC and WW might be a very good reason to risk drawing attention to yourself by acquiring EC tho

Black Rock wrote:I've voted for Bass on suspicion of being WW. I may change my vote later.

Again, is this suspicion based on anything besides the fact that it is a low-poster? This vote seems so random to me, especially in light of all the TH, llama, LC discussion going on

As I see no point in randomly picking a low poster, I am gonna vote for llama who's evidence for suspicions I do not find convincing and I feel llama might be bad or at the very least potentially part of a LMS group (and considering there are so few baddies left the chances of lynching someone of a LMS group look much better imo)

RIP Llama, seems I was wrong about you, sorry


$2 on Pennsylvania

RIP Zeek

Quite a few LMS groups now then and I am dangerously close to the reds

I think LCs case has some valid points but this one:

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:One of TH's main suspicions is Lorab. He is really pushing the idea that she's a Railroad. Lorab landed on Electric Company on Day 1. If TH is Water Works, then he's doing this because he knows that Lorab is a Railroad, and he's now moving to take her out. It makes sense to wait a while after learning her role so early, because she would be looking for a Utility coming after her after landing on it. And in the last lynch, TH vs Llama, you would think that Llama would be the first vote, since this was his case... but Lorab is actually the first vote.

In the 'Mexican Standoff' situation of a Uitility knowing a Railroad, and a Railroad knowing they know... the Railroad would probably act fast to eliminate the Utility once they know who it is.

If I KNEW Lorab was a railroad, if I've known since Day 1 as you claim, and IF I'm Water Works... I would have tried to NK Lorab and I would have done it immediately. She probably would have swiftly received the Hedgeowl treatment after surviving. I would NOT tip my hand of being the game's only rolechecker by accusing her straight up, I'm smart enough to know better than that.

I dunno TH defence to this point makes a lot of sense to me so I don't see enough there for TH being a baddie. I still hope for some (more) input from low-posters, apart from that I would be fine with lynching someone from a LMS group as well since (for me personally the reds) they are a big threat to consider as well

MovingPictures07 wrote:RIP zeek. That's a bummer.

So it seems Llama had LMS conditions after all, even if newly acquired.... I still think that negates my LC/Llama connection though.

There have been good points on the LC/TH front. I find LC's case much more convincing potentially than Llama's. However... I am having trouble discerning one of two possibilities:

1) LC is dead on; TH is WW and LoRab is railroad.
2) LC is incorrect.

I think my gut still leans towards #2, with TH being a civvie since he seems genuine.

That said, I find it really odd Hanna and Bea come in here and say what they have. If #1 was the case, would either of them be so bold as to assert such a thing? It just seems weird to me given both of them have been very nonopinionated all game. Thoughts here?

I guess because I don't really feel that this is an opinion, it's just good logical reasoning that I hadn't thought of myself, which is why I like expressing that I like this line of thinking. Im generally not very good at coming up with my own suspicions based on completely new information, especially in this game because i havent played with you all before which is also why:

MovingPictures07 wrote:And multiple players keep throwing out how badly they want to catch Reds, but I don't see much baddie hunting from most players considering it's Day 7. I know I haven't been amazing myself, but I feel more people should have opinions of others by now. Hanna, for example, keeps stressing all of this, but never throws out any suspects of her own. It's starting to ping me big time.

Yeah it is true that I dont have many solid suspicions, this is because a) statistically there are wayyy more civvies/LMS groups than baddies at this point so I am careful pointing to people as bad b) because I am generally quite weary with my suspicions because they are often either based on logical reasoning (which is hard) or game style (of which I don't have much information apart from the style of players within this game

MovingPictures07 wrote:

HannaK wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:RIP zeek. That's a bummer.

So it seems Llama had LMS conditions after all, even if newly acquired.... I still think that negates my LC/Llama connection though.

There have been good points on the LC/TH front. I find LC's case much more convincing potentially than Llama's. However... I am having trouble discerning one of two possibilities:

1) LC is dead on; TH is WW and LoRab is railroad.
2) LC is incorrect.

I think my gut still leans towards #2, with TH being a civvie since he seems genuine.

That said, I find it really odd Hanna and Bea come in here and say what they have. If #1 was the case, would either of them be so bold as to assert such a thing? It just seems weird to me given both of them have been very nonopinionated all game. Thoughts here?

I guess because I don't really feel that this is an opinion, it's just good logical reasoning that I hadn't thought of myself, which is why I like expressing that I like this line of thinking. Im generally not very good at coming up with my own suspicions based on completely new information, especially in this game because i havent played with you all before which is also why:

MovingPictures07 wrote:And multiple players keep throwing out how badly they want to catch Reds, but I don't see much baddie hunting from most players considering it's Day 7. I know I haven't been amazing myself, but I feel more people should have opinions of others by now. Hanna, for example, keeps stressing all of this, but never throws out any suspects of her own. It's starting to ping me big time.

Yeah it is true that I dont have many solid suspicions, this is because a) statistically there are wayyy more civvies/LMS groups than baddies at this point so I am careful pointing to people as bad b) because I am generally quite weary with my suspicions because they are often either based on logical reasoning (which is hard) or game style (of which I don't have much information apart from the style of players within this game

Thanks, I understand that. It's definitely an unconventional game as well, and I know you're new. But why would you be "careful" pointing to people as bad? I don't understand that. Are you afraid of ruffling feathers?

I'm afraid of ruffling feathers without any evidence, but also because I love statistics and the fact is, that there are very few 'baddies' out there (and there is a large chance one of them is quite inactive as well, making it really hard to find proper reasons for lynching someone you think is bad). That being said, isn't it true that at least for me, almost everyone is bad now (except for the people who are not in a LMS group) and the most immediate threat I have is I have to pass the reds; which means that for me personally, lynching a reddie might be as valuable as lynching a mafia. That's not to say I dont care about lynching baddies, it just means that because of the way this game is structured, I need to look out for other things as well.

I am not sure how I feel about voting against a player who wants out himself...on the other hand maybe someone found keys without him wanting that to happen and that way I may be lynching a LMS member and I have no real suspicions as to who might be on the red team anyway so I guess that is where my vote will go

RIP Keys

Ther are about the same amount of people not voting as there are people voting which really sucks as people draw heat for voting a certain player (which is good because it fosters dicussion) but we have 0 intel on some of the players as they have not posted anything or voted which makes it really hard to play this game well. I mean, what if the +- 10 players who do post and discuss are all pointing at each other for being bad even though all the mafia is within this group of non-posters. Not saying that this is the case per se, but it is worth keeping in mind that there are quite a few players of which we simply do not know anything

RIP MP

And wow someone really felt like i needed to take 3 turns huh?

HannaK wrote:RIP MP

And wow someone really felt like i needed to take 3 turns huh?

So in the Dutch version I always play at home, we never do this, but apparently there is a rule that you get another turn if you roll doubles so you can ignore this post


And yeah I guess following the money is as good a tactic as any at this moment because it results in a high chance you either lynch a powerful member of a LMS group or a baddie, but Long Con, I do not really get your case against TH, it's basically: I know people have reasons not to think he is bad but I keep suspecting him anyway?

Voting for two inactive players because they survived the hotels indicating money indicating mafia or LMS group and at this point I rather keep some people around who are actually still playing

I'm sorry I havent been around much, school is being a bitch right now

I havent been posting a lot, but I kept up with the thread and for me LMS groups and baddies are basically the same as both can kill me at the point, but I rather lynch someone with a nightkill first as that has a higher chance of me ending up dead (I can always be very lucky with on which places I land) and the case against SVS is pretty good and it is intersting she only choose one point to which to reply instead of the entire case against her. So yeah, thats where my vote is going

These poll deadlines really suck, I always have to vote before the discussion heats up At any rate, great lynch result!

Welcome back bass & MP

So I am confused, TH gets to keep his hotel because he mortaged the other properties he had to the bank in oredr to save himself from bankruptcy?

Just to be clear, it is possible that either MP or bass is bad now right so it's not 100% sure they are 'neutral?' (they just have to trade and stuff to stay alive?)

And I guess DF is a better gamble than trying to lynch WW tonight as he/she may 'forget' to kill again and I honestly dont really know where to look for WW at this point and there is always a chance WW kills someone with the +5 votes anyway (regarding the +5 votes power discussion)

Long Con wrote:I think the reds are all dead, and in the hands of the Railroad, the Utility, and Turnip Head.

What makes you think TH has a red property? (he landed on one of their hotels and clearly had to pay so the chance he has a red one is already deminished by 33%)

Voting DF, seems like the obvious choice

MovingPictures07 wrote:Your analysis is astute, MM. I also doubt LC is WW, just based on his behavior.

HannaK, LoRab, and splints would all be good places to look. LoRab has been least active though, so I do wonder if she would have missed more PMs, but I'm not sure.

HannaK has been incredibly blendy, so I think if I had to guess right now, I might guess her. Not sure about splints at all though.

MovingPictures07 wrote:She has just been EXTREMELY blendy and I can't rule her out from being WW.

Well just because you cant rule me out doesnt mean I am WW right?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Dunno yet, but I'm going to look at Hanna now.

I dunno how I am supposed to defend myself when there isnt any evidence except for the fact that I am 'blendy'. I mean, that is my playstyle, especially when I am quite busy as I am right now with the final week of term and stuff. I am not generally the player who re-reads entire pages of threads and comes up with elaborate theories and analyses. Like I said, I keep up with the game (I know you don't know me but I would also not be inclined to miss a kill if I were WW) but I am quite busy and so far every day when I caught up on the thread some good points were raised and I agreed with some and not with others...not sure how that makes me WW.

I guess today's lynch is gonna be harder than the previous two days because we dont have an obvious candidate, but I suggest you look somewhere else if you wanna lynch WW

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Hanna, why did you suggest that MP or Bass might be a baddie?

I just pointed to the fact that everyone said they were 'neutral' now but they got the roles of two inactive players which means that there is always a chance one of them got a baddie card (or at least that's how I read boo's explanation about how bass and MP got back into the game), i never said they were bad per se, just that they can be and we should keep that in mind and not cross them of our list because they are replacements, but maybe I am missing something?

Long Con wrote:

HannaK wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Hanna, why did you suggest that MP or Bass might be a baddie?

I just pointed to the fact that everyone said they were 'neutral' now but they got the roles of two inactive players which means that there is always a chance one of them got a baddie card (or at least that's how I read boo's explanation about how bass and MP got back into the game), i never said they were bad per se, just that they can be and we should keep that in mind and not cross them of our list because they are replacements, but maybe I am missing something?

I would say that even if they had gotten a baddie card, they would still be neutral, with the win conditions that the host laid out when he subbed them in. I believe you were indeed missing something, Hannah, look back on boo's posts and see where they came back. I don't believe they can be baddies.

Hmm okay yeah I assumed they took over thet roles of the two players but it's not in boo's post so I guess they dont have any property attatched to them then?

boo wrote:Market Place:



Money is Power (When played, it changes the value of all votes in the present or next lynch. Players with more money have votes worth more, and players with less money have votes worth less). - Starts at $100

Another 3 am deadline...,anyway voting mm

Long Con wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Just that he has a lot of extra votes, really. If he also has Beatdown, and now the lynch removal, we'd basically be handing him the game if we didn't force his hand a little bit today.

Metalmarsh had the last laugh, taking the Lynch Removal and the Auto-Protect with him by invoking the Take Three prize he bought for $500.

I dont remember this prize, which day/night did he buy this?

RIP TH

Is there any evidence/reason why Vermont cant be LC, because that seems like the obvious Vermont candidate to me

MovingPictures07 wrote:

HannaK wrote:RIP TH

Is there any evidence/reason why Vermont cant be LC, because that seems like the obvious Vermont candidate to me

Why do you say that?

Because TH was making a case against LC and how powerful he is (and thus we should lynch him) for days?

Long Con wrote:I'm not Vermont. I would say Vermont killed TH because he was the most powerful with his hotels. Possibly a frame-up job, which makes me eye HannaK for bringing it up like this.

What makes you say that he was powerful? To my knowledge he was a pinkie and had only one hotel (if his claims about not having other teammates was true) and was the first player to almost go bankrupt in the game?

I bet that LC is part of the group that has the kill and I care more about that than a potential alive teammate of TH who may or may not have inherited some of TH's stuff

MovingPictures07 wrote:This smells fishy to me.

I think it's much more likely LC was aligned with Llama, making him a Green.

It's odd that Hanna, who has voiced little for most of the game beyond just going with the flow, would propose such a line of thinking.

with so few people left and the fact that TH who has repeatedly warned us about LC becoming too powerful is now dead i dunno, guess it makes sense to express a strong opinion for once.
I wasn't sure back then about the whole llama / LC thing and I am not now so I would not say he's likely to be part of the greens