The Syndicate

Turnip Head wrote:Metalmarsh89 has yet to post in this game. Is he aware that he's playing?

You called?

Turnip Head wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Metalmarsh89 has yet to post in this game. Is he aware that he's playing?
You called?
Now I can post my list.

You could have done it anyway. Notice how I included Russ in my list early on in Death Note.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Ugh, I'm sorry, I feel I derailed this game inevitably now.

MM, are you self-voting?

I wasn't planning on it. I'd rather lynch someone whose item I can take.

I've already proved to you previously that I don't self-vote EVERY game, and you know it. :P

MP's the only one I've met IRL. We went to see Adrian Belew perform once.

Alright, I'm self-voting

NOT!

I'm not voting MP though. He doesn't seem suspicious to me.

Vompatti wrote:MP is a confirmed civ.

Did you read that in a book?

Fuck it I'm self-voting.

vomps you ninja'd me.

Linki: I'm taking a stand.

^^Teamwork makes the dream work.

I recommend everyone self-vote on this Day 1. It's hip adn funky.

Linki: I don't really know why. It was an impulsive decision.

I just want to point out that the points on MP are BS (in my opinion), and have decided that I don't care if I die, but I'm gonna defend something I think is unjust. The same thing has been happening every game to him recently, and I feel bad about it, especially since I've been one of those to target him for such things before.

Also, I just finished taking my finals today, and pulled an all-nighter at the library last night. So, right now, I don't feel like scum-hunting, and I'm going to be fairly busy through Sunday anyway.

But tbf MP, there are some players you react to far more strongly than others, even with fairly equal accusatory remarks from them.

Linki: You're next honey.

Turnip Head wrote:
Zomberella12 wrote:TH - You seem different then you did in Death Note.
I can confirm that I'm not an invincible independent that needs to be lynched to win in this game.

Me neither.

Long Con wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
Long Con wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Dom wrote:
Black Rock wrote:I'm going to start slapping these early self voters.
I might vote one of them tbh.
Oh yeah! MM also has my eye for his opportunistic self-vote.

Behavior modification? Does it work? Ever?
Ongoing experiment.

At least there are a few choices. I hate self votes. I don't think they point to civvie or baddie in anyway. They also don't help in anyway either.

Good luck with the experiment. Are you using the mafiatific method?
Metalmarsh is the subject of this experiment. My only remorse is that no one will get his Item if he gets lynched now.

I dunno how I feel about this.

@rabbit, self-votes are useless? I beg to differ, and I think that there is another ongoing game that can stand as an example of that.

I wasn't planning on self-voting, but I changed my mind.

rabbit8 wrote:Self votes are useless and dumb, IMO. You're supposed to be voting for player you think are bad.

Do as you please though.

I won't do it every game, I can guarantee you that. Sometimes I just do.

Why does Golden think you will self-vote.

Ooh, just noticed. Post #4,000 incoming.

Canucklehead wrote:So I'm done my mostly skimmy read through, and holy shitballs lots of people are wearing very tight undies in this game. I think we all need to loosen up, take our pants off, and just be cool, amirite?

Also, I ignored a bunch of stuff that just looked like bickering for the sake of bickering. I'm interested in SVS's case/thoughts on BF, and also interested in voting Vompatti.

Can you help me out here? It's stuck in the cracks.

Golden wrote:Somewhere in there Vompatti self-voted.

If everyone else just follows suit, rabbit would be lynched. Rabbit, you'd be ok voting for yourself to clinch your lynch, right?

Given the baddie role that has been talked about - the one who gains strength from votes that don't lynch him - I think we ought to be uber-wary about self-voting in this game.

Golden wrote:Lizkeen - there isn't much I can do to defend myself against my vote. It was an emotional vote. It was something I needed to do for me. It is exactly the kind of thing I'd call out other people for, and that I don't usually do.

Indeed. You strike me as a tactful player that makes logical decisions, especially after seeing this post earlier from you today.

Golden wrote:I feel like the death of Mr Spock has left a logic deficit in the world.

It's the only thing I can take from this game so far.

S~V~S wrote:This is a Llama game. Want to hear a helluva lot more from Mongoose. Quiet Mongoose is scary Mongoose. Other than the self vote, I want to hear more from MM~ is he posting content, or snappy comebacks & jokes? Who does Bullz suspect? I don't recall anything BWT has said, like at all.

It's been about 90% snappy comebacks and jokes so far from me. You'll see more content from me in the future.

S~V~S wrote:And he was bad in two of them, right?

blindfaeth wrote:Oh well, if people are interested in lynching me I suppose I'll share what I know. At least if I die, SVS won't be able to lie to you about whose will it is. It is Zomberellas will. The reason I did not come after her in the thread as many of you suggested is because she was literally absent for so long. Which I think is oddly convenient, but whatever. Final thoughts, I think dom is bad, he's only analytical like this when he has a team. I think epi and bills are bad. Think SVS is misguided. Good luck

So do you think she is the millionaire, or even a baddie at all?

Long Con wrote:My other likely vote then, is Metalmarsh, for his self-vote. Still deciding between him and BF right now.

Go pick on someone else.

Zomberella12 wrote:
blindfaeth wrote:Oh well, if people are interested in lynching me I suppose I'll share what I know. At least if I die, SVS won't be able to lie to you about whose will it is. It is Zomberellas will. The reason I did not come after her in the thread as many of you suggested is because she was literally absent for so long. Which I think is oddly convenient, but whatever. Final thoughts, I think dom is bad, he's only analytical like this when he has a team. I think epi and bills are bad. Think SVS is misguided. Good luck
Well, I think BF ruined my role. Thanks, for that. Civvie or not, you blew it!

Oh...

I don't know how to respond to this.

@DF, my main wonder was that it doesn't seem to bother LC that vomps and MP also self-voted. Why not? And before he dares to pass vomps' self-vote off as just standard vomps behavior, well why wouldn't that apply to me?

Also @BF. By bills, do you mean bullzeye?

I'm so confused.

If BF and Golden are both mindful, logical players, then why did they each make a rash decision on Day 1?

I'm kinda wishing this was a sock game.

S~V~S wrote:
blindfaeth wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
blindfaeth wrote:Oh well, if people are interested in lynching me I suppose I'll share what I know. At least if I die, SVS won't be able to lie to you about whose will it is. It is Zomberellas will. The reason I did not come after her in the thread as many of you suggested is because she was literally absent for so long. Which I think is oddly convenient, but whatever. Final thoughts, I think dom is bad, he's only analytical like this when he has a team. I think epi and bills are bad. Think SVS is misguided. Good luck
So do you think she is the millionaire, or even a baddie at all?
I think she is bad. It is awfully convenient she was completely absent a LONG time when I was talking about a stranger who could be the millionaire. And her posts until that silent period ended were complete fluff.

Yes I meant bullz, must have been a phone autocorrect.
But you did not even consider that she might be Oliver Oliver. That is the thing that bothers me most about this part of your game, the Will. TBH, I would be MUCH more likely to think I could be wrong about you had you done so, had you waffled at all.

Your choosing the will made me think you were one of two players, giving a chance that my gut read about you could have been wrong:

Sato Okimo - The Japanese Lawyer - Can execute wills, stock certificates and promissory notes. (Civ)

Gustav Shrik - The Banker - Can store papers in his vault. (bad)

The way you handled all of this in such a way that I cannot reconcile it with you being Sato Okimo.

I think Zomba is going to be lynched, becasue people can't resist info, even it it only has a 50% chance of accuracy. However she flips will tell us something. None of the baddies are unlynchable, so even with the Millionaire in play, I don't see such an aggressive pushing under the bus happening, so you will have my apologies if she IS the Millionaire. The way the whole rest of the game plays out will be based on today, I think.

Linki~ I am sorry that you feel i have ruined YOUR game, BF. Like I said, i don't think you will be lynched. I don;t think my suspicion of you is any more ridiculous than anyone elses suspicions

What if the baddies are just making an incredibly ballsy Day 1 move by throwing a teammate under the bus?

juliets wrote:Thats an interesting thought MM. But wouldn't that only be profitable if SVS were bad?

Nono, I was refering to Zomba and BF in this case. I was just responding to SVS's post.

Epig said it before, it was convenient for BF that the "name" on the will was someone who hadn't been around to discuss or defend herself. BF pointed it out as baddie behavior, but I feel like we already know why Zomba wasn't around, and it speaks nothing of alignment. And on that note, I didn't post at all until about the same time Zomba did, and nobody's pointing fingers at me for it.

I would find it more believable that the player's role name would be listed on the will rather than the player name.

Linki: Hi Bullzeye.

Dom wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Epig said it before, it was convenient for BF that the "name" on the will was someone who hadn't been around to discuss or defend herself. BF pointed it out as baddie behavior, but I feel like we already know why Zomba wasn't around, and it speaks nothing of alignment. And on that note, I didn't post at all until about the same time Zomba did, and nobody's pointing fingers at me for it.

I would find it more believable that the player's role name would be listed on the will rather than the player name.

Linki: Hi Bullzeye.
What, then, do you make of Zomb's response?

Her response is what makes it a strong possibility.

Zomberella12 wrote:
blindfaeth wrote:Oh well, if people are interested in lynching me I suppose I'll share what I know. At least if I die, SVS won't be able to lie to you about whose will it is. It is Zomberellas will. The reason I did not come after her in the thread as many of you suggested is because she was literally absent for so long. Which I think is oddly convenient, but whatever. Final thoughts, I think dom is bad, he's only analytical like this when he has a team. I think epi and bills are bad. Think SVS is misguided. Good luck
Well, I think BF ruined my role. Thanks, for that. Civvie or not, you blew it!

It was still up in the air as to which role Zomba could be if her name is on the will. But BF only called out the millionaire, and Zomba only submitted to that possibility.

Dom wrote:zomb hasn't played all that much right

Mafia, no. She's played Donner, Death Note, Roger Rabbit, and this.

But apparantly she's played RL Mafia, and other similar deducation-style games.

Linki: Precisely.

juliets wrote:I have to get some things done this afternoon so need to go ahead and vote.

SVS and LC showed me the error of my ways in thinking the best idea would be to vote BF whether you think he's bad or good. So, since I think he's a civ who just didn't completely think things through - he even said he didn't think about the person with the will being Oliver or someone with a prize that was worth something or any other possibility but the millionaire. I think he got in too deep and then couldn't find a way out. I hate that we are probably losing him because i love to play with blindfaeth.

So I'm going back to my first suspicion and that was MM. I see MM as a potential baddie for three reasons:
1. He voted 2 full days early for himself. I would have greater leniency if he had voted for himself at the last minute after having major troubles deciding who to vote but voting early means he intentionally ruled out a person who was bad slipping up or saying/doing something that meant a high percentage chance that s/he was a baddie. Why would you do that?
2. Voting for himself takes all the accountability away from making a decision between potential baddie candidates and civ candidates. It allows you to sit back with all the pressure off of you and watch the game, making some funny or even serious comments but knowing you're not under pressure.
3. MM just voted himself in Death Note and was bad.

And as an added note I think if he is not bad he is doing this so eventually everyone will just say "thats just MM" and we don't need another one of those situations to contend with.

Vompatti also is on my suspicion list but as LC pointed out, I did not just play a game with Vompatti where he voted himself and was bad. I did just play a game with MM where he voted himself and was bad (Death Note). Mp is obviously a different situation all together and I didn't consider him for a vote.

So with that I'm

*voting Metalmarsh*

At no point in Death Note did I vote for myself.

You people and your "facts" have some learning to do.

Long Con wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Long Con wrote:My other likely vote then, is Metalmarsh, for his self-vote. Still deciding between him and BF right now.
Go pick on someone else.
Stop self-voting Day One then. Sorry, but it's always going to be suspicious to me, and I'm always going to consider a vote for you for it. Vompatti always acts suspicious as well, and his self-vote is totally suspicious too, but you are moreso because I have definite proof that you do this as a baddie. And MP is not as suspicious for the vote because he was having trouble controlling his emotions when he self-voted.

I think it's reasonably likely that you are bad this time, and trying to hide behind your self-vote. Especially the WAY you did it, like it was the new cool thing after Vomps and MP did it. That makes it MORE suspicious to me.

*votes MM*

But you didn't address vomps' self-vote until I brought it up to you.

Same with MP's self-vote. You didn't address it until I brought it up to you.

My point is that you are clearly more interested in figuring out "my" pattern than to look at someone else's "bizarre" move. Voting for me because I've done it before shows an interest in your own personal agenda regarding all of mafia, rather than the specific setting of this single game of mafia. This leads me to believe that your motives, whether good or bad, are not founded on the civilian interest for this game.

Also, I know being lynched sucks. Is it just me, or are people getting extremely testy lately when suspicion gets thrown their way?

Long Con wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Long Con wrote:My other likely vote then, is Metalmarsh, for his self-vote. Still deciding between him and BF right now.
Go pick on someone else.
Stop self-voting Day One then. Sorry, but it's always going to be suspicious to me, and I'm always going to consider a vote for you for it. Vompatti always acts suspicious as well, and his self-vote is totally suspicious too, but you are moreso because I have definite proof that you do this as a baddie. And MP is not as suspicious for the vote because he was having trouble controlling his emotions when he self-voted.

I think it's reasonably likely that you are bad this time, and trying to hide behind your self-vote. Especially the WAY you did it, like it was the new cool thing after Vomps and MP did it. That makes it MORE suspicious to me.

*votes MM*
But you didn't address vomps' self-vote until I brought it up to you.

Same with MP's self-vote. You didn't address it until I brought it up to you.

My point is that you are clearly more interested in figuring out "my" pattern than to look at someone else's "bizarre" move. Voting for me because I've done it before shows an interest in your own personal agenda regarding all of mafia, rather than the specific setting of this single game of mafia. This leads me to believe that your motives, whether good or bad, are not founded on the civilian interest for this game.
Quite the contrary - YOU are the one who we know has voted for themselves as a baddie before. I I'm not talking about Death Note, if you have a problem with any of MY facts, then you'll have to specify which ones, because I'm sure I have them straight.

And you know I have done it as a civilian before. So what I want to know is why either possibility from previous games has any indication on my alignment this game. For some reason, you believe it proves I'm bad, or you just want to lynch me to find out.

That's a lot of people not voting right there.

A Person
Bea
Black Rock
Canucklehead
DFaraday
fingersplints
ShepinWolfsClothing
Sophie/Mongoose

juliets wrote:Liz, thank you for your answer. I didn't see Zomba out herself, I saw bf out her as potentially the millionaire, at least that was his belief. But maybe you are reading some thing she said differently than I did and you are right. What gave you the impression she outted herself?

As for the day 1 vote list, the hosts put the poll in a separate thread which you can get to by going to the Current Job 1 on the title page and then clicking on it. You will see a choice of threads, one is named Harry Stephen Keeler polls. Thats where you'll find the votes.

linki

juliets, this is the post people are talking about.

Zomberella12 wrote:
blindfaeth wrote:Oh well, if people are interested in lynching me I suppose I'll share what I know. At least if I die, SVS won't be able to lie to you about whose will it is. It is Zomberellas will. The reason I did not come after her in the thread as many of you suggested is because she was literally absent for so long. Which I think is oddly convenient, but whatever. Final thoughts, I think dom is bad, he's only analytical like this when he has a team. I think epi and bills are bad. Think SVS is misguided. Good luck
Well, I think BF ruined my role. Thanks, for that. Civvie or not, you blew it!

I voted State St because my uncle lives just a few blocks away from there.

Side-note. Only 17 players remembered to vote in the lynch, yet 18 have already voted in this night poll.

Zomberella12 wrote:I usually vote the top choice in night polls.

And the bottom choice in Day Polls? :P

Zomberella12 wrote:
juliets wrote:oh THAT post. So most people are reading it as her outting herself as the millionaire. I read that nuetrally, i.e., it could be either role but i see how it could be the millionaire role. I've had too much wine tonight and my smileys aren't working for me to find the right one. I need to look again at this issue tomorrow. Thanks for pointing it out though MM.

re: to sophie, yes it doesnt take long to get started.
I am NOT the millionaire and I honestly don't see how what I said could possibly be an endorsement of BF's wild speculation. MM saying that people are talking about it feels like he's trying to stir up trouble. Who is talking about it MM besides you and Liz Keen and now Juliets and now me? MM - are you reading the thread?

Apparently the will doesn't even say that BF would have gotten a lot of money when I died. It just says that he would have gotten my stuff when I died. That makes BF's HUGE assumption that I'm the millionaire even more wacky.

on Sophie to see if she actually catches up on the thread or not.

on BWT - not convinced that he is reading the thread.

on all the low posters. If you only make one or two posts per day - make sure that they are good ones.

I can see exactly how it could be seen as you being the millionaire. BF stated that your name was on the will (which SVS has confirmed), and accused you of being the millionaire. Your immediate response was "BF ruined my role".

Golden wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I voted State St because my uncle lives just a few blocks away from there.

Side-note. Only 17 players remembered to vote in the lynch, yet 18 have already voted in this night poll.
Very interesting side-note, MM, actually.

I thought so too, considering the 72 hour day phase.

Epignosis wrote:I actually have my own theory about that. The more time you give people, the more likely they are to procrastinate and miss out.

Sounds accurate to me.

I believe someone was pushing for 6-hour lynch days recently, and that someone has the power to make it happen...

Epignosis wrote:Question for Mr. Con and Mme. JC:

Both of you voted for MM after he voted himself and after bf had five votes. Correct me if I am wrong about this, but I can't recall anytime you two have ever voted someone because of chronic self-voting. I understand the reasoning, sure, but why now? Why today?

I believe the exact same thing happened in Roger Rabbit.

Epig, do you think bf was lying in his original revelation about the will, or telling the truth?

Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Question for Mr. Con and Mme. JC:

Both of you voted for MM after he voted himself and after bf had five votes. Correct me if I am wrong about this, but I can't recall anytime you two have ever voted someone because of chronic self-voting. I understand the reasoning, sure, but why now? Why today?
I believe the exact same thing happened in Roger Rabbit.

Epig, do you think bf was lying in his original revelation about the will, or telling the truth?
Mmm, no. "The exact same thing" did not happen in Roger Rabbit. Thank you for answering for them.

As for blindfaeth, I don't think he was lying. He had no reason to. I do, however, believe he was inflating an assumption, passing it off as truth, and shouting down anyone who disagreed with him.

Another question. Do you think SVS is lying?

Here is something that caught my eye today. First we have blindfaeth's original revelation that regarding the will.

blindfaeth wrote:Well, my item isn't a will for me, it's someone else's will. Like, a specific player, not a role. And if they die, I inherit a large sum of money. That leads me to believe I know the identity of the millionaire. So I wouldn't mind lynching them if other people agree. But for the idea to work, we have to actually lynch them, since he gets stronger from votes that he survives.

I realize I'm probably more quick to take action because I get a benefit regardless, but what does everyone think?

Yes he was quick to take action, and came to the conclusion that the person listed on the will is the millionaire.

S~V~S wrote:That person can also be Oliver Oliver right?

SVS quickly responded that this person might be Oliver Oliver, another rich player. Then we have this amazing post from SVS.

S~V~S wrote:OK, I saw something too

This is all before BF started discussing who he suspected, the will, and why he suspected who he suspected. He got my eye right out of the gate, tbh.

blindfaeth wrote:So, I already have a suspicion but I am keeping to myself until day 1 to see how everything plays out.

Golden, do you see what I see?

blindfaeth wrote:
juliets wrote:bf, why did you ask Golden and only Golden that question?
He's my best fran in mafia.

Also we usually agree/see eye to eye.

blindfaeth wrote:
Golden wrote:
blindfaeth wrote:So, I already have a suspicion but I am keeping to myself until day 1 to see how everything plays out.

Golden, do you see what I see?

As I'm reading back through... because the way you've phrased it makes me now think we are possibly seeing different things.

Mine is definitely more an idea, a category of people, than a single person. But your phrase makes it sound like a suspicion of a particular individual... and that I'm not getting.
Mine is actually two individuals. Grammar nazi
This whole section reads like buddying to me. Like BF is buddying up to Golden BIG TIME. Before the point where he started discussing his item and his suspects, all of his posts were either related to Golden, or bantering, like what do we call Sheepywolf and so forth.

Fairly early on, I dropped this into the thread:

S~V~S wrote:Weds, 5:51 AM

I am intrigued by BF & Golden. Positioning themselves as a Batman & Robin of sorts right out of the gate, sticking cred right onto each other. Then, as Epi pointed out, BF did the same in another game. That is still in progress, but Golden at least was civ there.
Golden addressed this in the next post he made at 2:15:

Golden wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I am intrigued by BF & Golden. Positioning themselves as a Batman & Robin of sorts right out of the gate, sticking cred right onto each other. Then, as Epi pointed out, BF did the same in another game. That is still in progress, but Golden at least was civ there.
Hey... I'm not sticking any cred into bf.

All I'm doing is saying it is normal for bf to do it, which I think you would know. I don't think it's helpful for the town to go suspecting bf based on something he would do when civ. There is a big difference between saying 'thats normal bf and i don't suspect him for it' and 'thats bf's civvie game'.
A minute later, 2:16, BF replies to Golden who had JUST replied to me, saying he was not sticking any cred on BF, and BF did not mention it AT ALL.

He never addressed it.

Later (and I will make another post later more directly addressing the whole info/Millionaire thing) after listing his suspects:

blindfaeth wrote:
Golden wrote:I disagree strongly with bullz statement.

I can't remember a time when the person lynched on day one didn't feel it was unfair, no matter what the reason. Day one lynches always suck.

Whats the difference between it being unfair because someone has a hunch that their item is a role hint, and it being unfair because someone sees some minutiae in the thread? I don't see one.

I don't like that it is being made some kind of moral issue. It's a host setting - either it's ok or it isn't. (and my eye is squarely on bullz for his comment).
My eye was already on Bulls and turnip head. Was this your hunch? More on this later, I'm at work. But it does in my mind seem to coincide well already.
I asked him:

S~V~S wrote:Can you tell us why, BF, or are you just talking to Golden?

Linki
And then he says "Both" and lauches into his cases against Bullz & TH. He only really addressed his consistent point of addressing all of his posts to Golden when Juliets asked him a direct question.

This was the first thing that struck me; that BF was seriously buddying Golden. Then he brought up that Millionaire thing. The more I have gone over that, the less innocent it seems to me.

I want to hear what Splints thinks of this, as well as Golden. I could be reading more into this than there is. But that was what caught my eye.

Yes she did address blindfaeth's buddying right out of the gate, but agreed it didn't mean anything based on another event in a recent game. But as soon as blindfaeth introduces the will into the thread, SVS went into a hardcore defensive mode over the player who was yet to be revealed. She continued to defend it, and press blindfaeth throughout the day. Most interesting of this whole maneuver is that SVS voted for blindfaeth first, presumably so she could obtain the will. This was her post after the lynch.

S~V~S wrote:Also, I did receive the will. All it says is that if Zomba dies, whoever holds the will will get everything she has. It does NOT say she is wealthy. Just becasue she has a will does not mean she is rich. Normally I would not even post this, but since her name was already out there, I just want to confirm that BF was not lying, but that there is nothing that indicates a specific role holds the will. I thought BF might have been witholding something, but he was not.

Now this post doesn't match up with blindfaeth's statement. blindfaeth suggested he would inherit "a large sum of money". SVS stated that she would inherit "everything she has". SVS then confirmed that the "everything" meant items.

If SVS is on Zomba's team, this is a perfect result. SVS now has the will, and can manipulate its content to the rest of us if she wants.

If SVS is a civvie, I feel that events would have unfolded differently. Would she have voted for an "infodropper" early and before everyone else?

Golden wrote:Ever since bf died, no-one specifically asks questions of me any more I feel very isolated, like Linus from Peanuts without his blanket.

You can address content that isn't directed at you, you know (as I have just done for Epig). :P But since you want it, I'd like your thoughts on the information I just brought forth.

Golden wrote:It's because it happened in RR that I find it interesting

I am curious, why so?

Turnip Head wrote:I like where this is going.

Fantastic! Do you have anything to say about "this"?

Golden wrote:I think you are wrong on SVS. Actually my whole vibe from her was the exact opposite - that she got on to the bf train early (and, possibly, may not have entirely bought the case, although she may have) to ensure that if bf was lynched, the will did not fall into baddie hands. That's the way I've been reading her all along.

The way I read bfs and SVSs different interpretation of the will is this - bf made svs have made different assumptions based on whatever wording they have got. Bf assumed money, SVS assumed items. Bf thought 'role', SVS thought 'practical'. In my experience with both of them, this very well matches up with the way their brains actually work.

But it does make me feel better about you, that you brought this case which I can see how you arrived at.

I realize this too. I won't drop the idea though, because of the potential. I believe there's a 50/50 chance either way.

rabbit8 wrote:Ok, I want to know. I feel left out and everyone knows I want to vote LC all the time. Let ME know!!!!

I don't understand what Epig is getting at, or why TH is jumping behind him right now. What is going on?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't understand what Epig is getting at, or why TH is jumping behind him right now. What is going on?

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