The Syndicate

Hello everyone - I chose the rare book because I like old books. And rare - maybe it will be worth something.

S~V~S wrote:I actually have a rare book. A first edition of Dune. I keep it in a glass case, in my Dads office safe, becasue I am afraid to touch it lol.

Thats really cool SVS! I wish i had a first edition of something. Well, maybe now I do!

I'm not familiar with Harry Stephen Keeler either so I'm hoping that won't matter.

bf, why did you ask Golden and only Golden that question?

Ok thanks

rabbit8 wrote:My two favorite ladies are awake, and here I am drunk in China about to go to dinner with some fuckers who I need to invest in my shit. I wish I could punch Diggs in the face....right now!!!!!

I could threaten to pay you back for this but I know I never would. I am deeply hurt however.

Never would I want you to be flustered nor ruin your Rep! I think it just reinforces your big bad wabbitness. And congratulations on China - good to know all that traveling wasn't in vain much less all the imbibing with the chinese.

Having a 72 hour day 1 might be beneficial for us because we have such a hard time with suspicions on day 1 (or at least I do). Then again, hanging out in Day 0 is fun. I'll vote for going on to Day 1 but if most people want to hang in Day 0 for another day I won't mind that either.

Golden wrote:I'm less suspicious of MP in that:

1) I would do that (say I don't have time to check in, but find a way to make time if possible); and
2) I really think if he had time to be in BTSC he had time to check in on a couple of things on site - like Roger Rabbit - that he hasn't.

On the flip side, you could argue that the fact he hasn't made time to check on anything else does negate the first point a little.

I wouldn't be in a rush to vote for MP, though, for something I would do when civ.

I guess i don't understand your comment Golden in light of BR's comment. From what I got she was saying it's the fact he checked in, didn't pick an item, checked out, then came back a few minutes later to pick an item. It looked like someone told him "hey you gotta get an item". At least that's what I saw and I thought that's what she was saying. However I don't expect to vote for MP based on my speculation on such a small thing that could have been innocent.

Golden wrote:I didn't look back at the timing JC. All I was really trying to say is that when I am civ without btsc, I often say something like 'this is definitely my last post, I'm going now'... and then I come back and post again shortly afterwards, because I'm a bit mafia-hyper like that. MP strikes me also as the kind of guy who checks in as much as he can.

I don't think BR's point is completely without merit, I just could see the behaviour being civ, is my point I guess.

Oh! I see what you mean. Yes, that could have very well been true and the behavior legitimately civ.

I got up late this morning and have been reading this thread almost the whole time. 24 hour posting! This is gonna be hard though maybe not as hard as Death Note.

I thought I'd just chime in and say a few things. First, and I have already said this, even though the MP think pinged me when it happened, to me it is too easily could be exactly what MP says it is so I don't intend to vote for MP for that. I do wish he had not voted himself but it does fit with the way he behaves when he is suspected early in games.

TH, I don't quite see why anyone is suspicious of him. If anyone wants to run it by me again feel free.

BR, I don't suspect her for bringing up the MP statements. I saw them the same way at the beginning and I'm bad at picking up on stuff.

Bullz - maybe it's because I was here when there was the site-wide brouhaha about infodumping and saw a lot of opinions like his, I don't find him suspicious. BF I guess you suspect him of defending himself or a teamate but the river runs deep on this whole infodumping thing. Games were ruined, people were outted, didn't matter that they were baddies. We never had this issue on RM, I'm not sure why but it could be there are a lot more new players here. So i have to give Bullz the benefit of the doubt on this.

BF, not suspicious of him either. He got an item, he says he thought through the danger to himself, llama said we could talk about the item so he told us about it. The fact that it might be a civ didn't occur to him at the time but he has since recognized there are several different people it could be. I just can't believe he is bad and was guiding us to the millionaire who is also bad.

Golden, I had never seen or noticed the BF-Golden thing before which is why I asked the question. Still, I do not see Golden glomming on to BF, just defending him a bit which doesn't bother me because I don't see BF as bad at this point.

Epi - seems like normal Epi to me so far.

Who did I leave out?

So I feel like there has been a lot of going in circles with some of these issues (infodumping being the prime one) but I don't think I see anyone yet who is suspicious. Someone could become suspicious after this post but that's the way I'm feeling right now.

sorry for such a long post tl;dr I'm not finding any of these people suspicious.

S~V~S wrote:Juliets. I was suspicious of BF before the info thing. Personally I doubt he knows the ID of the millionaire unless it is his teammate. I think maybe he's trying to bait the item stealers, one of whom is a civ and one an Indy.

I thought he was suspish before any of that. The excessive buddying plus the refusal to mention just who had pinged him until day started even though there were no night powers in play.

His whole general presentation has felt bad to me pretty much from the get go.

I have to reread what MP said when not on phone. His outrage and indignation at being suspected is becoming kinds passe, he does it every game it seems to me, good or bad.

I will go back and take a look at him pre-item because I did not consider that before. There's been so much stuff since the item I've just ignored prior goings on. I don't remember a lot about bad bf, in fact I don't remember anything about him from prior games.

S~V~S should have asked you this in my last post but about the excessive buddying up, both bf and Golden see to indicate that is normal for them in games. Have you noticed that its not, or do you think they arent telling the truth, or what keeps you from believing its normal behavior? Also, what does he have to gain buddying up with Golden?

MP i'm always getting people finding something dumb or silly that I do or say "baddie" on the first day. Something I say or one time because I came back to the thread to correct myself. Think back to the game rabbit doesn't want us to mention. It happened there. It happens a lot. But i don't walk away and get replaced. What happened to the MP I used to know that would just fight back, taking every question as an opportunity to further his case that he was civ? This is mafia. There will always be accusations. I'm beyond frustrated when it happens to me so I know what it feels like. Sometimes it feels personal but it's not. It's just the way the game is played. Don't walk away.

metalmarsh and vompatti we have two more days - why why why would you self vote and do it this early?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:^^Teamwork makes the dream work.

I recommend everyone self-vote on this Day 1. It's hip adn funky.

Linki: I don't really know why. It was an impulsive decision.

But dont you see it makes you look like you don't want to baddie hunt? You just want to vote yourself and then relax and not play? That is something a baddie would want to do.

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:

Black Rock wrote:I'm going to start slapping these early self voters.

I might vote one of them tbh.

Oh yeah! MM also has my eye for his opportunistic self-vote.

Me too. I can't abide people voting for themselves early and expecting us to take them seriously as civs.

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:

Black Rock wrote:I'm going to start slapping these early self voters.

I might vote one of them tbh.

Oh yeah! MM also has my eye for his opportunistic self-vote.

Do you think this might indicate that he is bad? Does your experience with Metalmarsh point to this?

juliets wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Dom wrote:

Black Rock wrote:I'm going to start slapping these early self voters.

I might vote one of them tbh.

Oh yeah! MM also has my eye for his opportunistic self-vote.

Me too. I can't abide people voting for themselves early and expecting us to take them seriously as civs.

"us"?

us = others playing the game that feel the same way I do.

Dom, I was not including baddies in my "us" but I wasn't excluding the celestials who do not need any of us (civs) dead to win. I hope this fully explains what I mean by "us". I am not lying, I don't know why you think I would be. I, like others, do not understand your point.

Epi, i learned this the hard way - do a copy so you've got it on your clip board before you preview if it's a long involved post.

Zomba are you saying BF and bwt are both lynch candidates for you or just one or neither?

MP yay! I'm glad you decided to play on!

Zomba, here's what I said about BF earlier in the day. Since then SVS asked me to look at some things about him prior to the item being involved and I am in the middle of a re-read now (or was until my mom called). As for BWT, I haven't had any thoughts about him since he basically hasn't been here.

juliets wrote:
BF, not suspicious of him either. He got an item, he says he thought through the danger to himself, llama said we could talk about the item so he told us about it. The fact that it might be a civ didn't occur to him at the time but he has since recognized there are several different people it could be. I just can't believe he is bad and was guiding us to the millionaire who is also bad.

Also thanks for answering my question.

The vote ends tomorrow at 3:10 pm bf.

I've read most of the thread twice and haven't seen anything, though I haven't read BF separately.

haha BR - and I forgot to say goodbye Mongoose, may you have many chocolate pecan pies in your breakroom...
And hello Sophie! I'm glad you are here.

I really don't want to bring this up but I want to get some reaction to a thought I had while falling asleep last night (when most of my ideas occur). Regardless of whether BF is civ or bad shouldn't we vote for him to keep the will out of the mafia's hands? I know there is no guarantee SVS is not mafia but it seems like a lower probability that she is bad than what would happen if the baddies NK BF (which I think they would surely do). If they NK BF then they will surely NK Zomba. I really don't think BF is bad, I just think he was misguided when he announced that he had a will as that would surely put a target on his back. So, I'm prepared to vote elsewhere today, I just want to do the right thing for the most people. So let me know what you think about what i'm thinking.

Thats an interesting thought MM. But wouldn't that only be profitable if SVS were bad?

Dom wrote:

juliets wrote:Thats an interesting thought MM. But wouldn't that only be profitable if SVS were bad?

I don't think, at this point,we have baddie SVS-- do you?

No I don't at all. Which makes that idea for me a non-starter.

Thanks for giving me your opinion SVS, it was very helpful.

Linki, ok MM I must have gotten confused. I'll go back and read it again. Haven't finished my coffee yet.

Wait, I didn't realize Liz voted for Zomba. Liz what makes you think Zomba is not Oliver Oliver, or someone who happened to pick an item that is worth a lot of money ?

Long Con wrote:

juliets wrote:I really don't want to bring this up but I want to get some reaction to a thought I had while falling asleep last night (when most of my ideas occur). Regardless of whether BF is civ or bad shouldn't we vote for him to keep the will out of the mafia's hands?

But then the will would be in S~V~S' hands, and it's just as easy for the Mafia to kill her for it as it is for them to kill BF for it.

This reminds me of Monopoly Mafia, where S~V~S bid on and won the first lynched player's property, and was promptly kill on Night 1 for it.

Oh you're right - it's exactly like that. Helpful thought LC.

I have to get some things done this afternoon so need to go ahead and vote.

SVS and LC showed me the error of my ways in thinking the best idea would be to vote BF whether you think he's bad or good. So, since I think he's a civ who just didn't completely think things through - he even said he didn't think about the person with the will being Oliver or someone with a prize that was worth something or any other possibility but the millionaire. I think he got in too deep and then couldn't find a way out. I hate that we are probably losing him because i love to play with blindfaeth.

So I'm going back to my first suspicion and that was MM. I see MM as a potential baddie for three reasons:
1. He voted 2 full days early for himself. I would have greater leniency if he had voted for himself at the last minute after having major troubles deciding who to vote but voting early means he intentionally ruled out a person who was bad slipping up or saying/doing something that meant a high percentage chance that s/he was a baddie. Why would you do that?
2. Voting for himself takes all the accountability away from making a decision between potential baddie candidates and civ candidates. It allows you to sit back with all the pressure off of you and watch the game, making some funny or even serious comments but knowing you're not under pressure.
3. MM just voted himself in Death Note and was bad.

And as an added note I think if he is not bad he is doing this so eventually everyone will just say "thats just MM" and we don't need another one of those situations to contend with.

Vompatti also is on my suspicion list but as LC pointed out, I did not just play a game with Vompatti where he voted himself and was bad. I did just play a game with MM where he voted himself and was bad (Death Note). Mp is obviously a different situation all together and I didn't consider him for a vote.

So with that I'm

*voting Metalmarsh*

MM, I'm very sorry I mixed up the Death Note game with the one where voted yourself. My apologies - my memory was shouting out it was Death Note but it wasn't. I'm comfortable dropping that particular part of my suspicion and just say you have done it when bad and done it when good which you have admitted. The part that bothered me the most was the two days ahead of time vote without waiting for things to develop.

RIP BF. That was just an unfortunate situation and I'm sorry you were the one involved.

I have no idea what street to choose. The only one I've heard of is Michigan Ave. and i think that's where the ritzy part of town is - like maybe Oprahs house (or one of them anyway). I think I'll see if anyone else knows more about these streets then vote.

I want a larger sample of behavior, who she suspects, what she thinks, does she agree or disagree with things that have been brought up, things like that before I make an assessment as to whether she sounds suspect to me.

Since Golden reminded me the police station was on 22nd I'll vote to stay there too.

Liz, thank you for your answer. I didn't see Zomba out herself, I saw bf out her as potentially the millionaire, at least that was his belief. But maybe you are reading some thing she said differently than I did and you are right. What gave you the impression she outted herself?

As for the day 1 vote list, the hosts put the poll in a separate thread which you can get to by going to the Current Job 1 on the title page and then clicking on it. You will see a choice of threads, one is named Harry Stephen Keeler polls. Thats where you'll find the votes.

linki

Sophie i don't want you to be lost because some very important things happened today. Unfortunately I am terrible at summarizing and it would take me forever. Somebody else who is much better than me will do it I'm sure. I think its really important though that you do read the thread because this is one where it all depends on how you view the events.

oh THAT post. So most people are reading it as her outting herself as the millionaire. I read that nuetrally, i.e., it could be either role but i see how it could be the millionaire role. I've had too much wine tonight and my smileys aren't working for me to find the right one. I need to look again at this issue tomorrow. Thanks for pointing it out though MM.

re: to sophie, yes it doesnt take long to get started.

Thanks Golden. I was starting to think maybe the whole thing went right over my head and it was obviously baddie and I couldn't see it, which is why i said I would consider it tomorrow without a big glass of wine. (there's that smiley!)

Ok, I'm awake and not talking about bourbon in irc so I'll answer the question Epi put forth about voting for MM. If I'm not mistaken, I voted for MM in Roger Rabbit for the same reason which would bring me to the same question as llama. Why did you pretend you didn't know?

I may vote for him every first day that he does that because it makes me mad he keeps getting away with it. In this game he actually voted 2 days ahead of the lynch close which to me is evidence he was not interested in looking for or being open to baddie cases.

I didn't even think about the millionaire issue but even if I had, anybody could be the millionaire at this point. I can't just not vote. And as for bf I felt very comfortable that he wasn't bad so I didn't want to vote for him. I can't remember what the question was specifically so have I answered it?

Yeah, poor BR. RIPIYWG BR. i had no read on you yet.

Bullzeye wrote:

juliets wrote:Yeah, poor BR. RIPIYWG BR. i had no read on you yet.

There's no IYWG about it, is there? As far as I can see there's only the baddies that have a kill...

I don't know what sandringham has but if I had to guess she was probably killed by a baddie.

S~V~S wrote:Also wanted to ask JC if she still suspects MM, now that it is Day Two?

I still don't understand why someone would vote 2 days early for themselves. I can't think of any good explanation and MM has not provided one (unless i missed it ). So I would say I am still suspicious.

Canucklehead wrote:Is anyone feeling leery about Dom? He's got that BUTTY/snappy quality to his posts this game that reminds me of Film Directors. He was a bad baddie then, and It pinged me in that game, too, but he assured me (and I gullibly beleived him) that it was b/c of real life busyness and mafia exhaustion.....
But now that I'm seeing it again, I'm feeling cautious about it. I seem to remember Dom being one of the funnier/jokier players of the old crew....so maybe I just don't know how to rea new Dom? I dunno, but is like to hear others' thoughts before I dig too hard into Dom as a suspect.

I can say his posts do have a biting/snappy feel to me but I didn't play Film Directors so I can't compare it. In Dr. Who he was an awesome baddie and I don't remember biting/snappy posts in that game (I could just be misremembering and maybe someone else who played could weigh in). So I'd have to say at this point in time I don't see it as indicative of his alignment. It's early though and I really don't have firm reads on a lot of people at this point.

I agree SVS. I don't want to vote him unless a whole bunch of people are going to vote him because I don't want to risk giving him points if he doesn't get lynched. But I do suspect him enough to vote him if others are going to.

Its been very quiet in here today - where is everyone?

I'm hearing that echo all the way over here...here....here......here

llama needs to get into that smashfest thing and smash MP and Epi back into this game.

No Epi i just wanted to hear your thoughts. But if nothings changed I'll just reread what you last posted.

linki yes i agree TH. It seems like there are a lot of people who havent given any opinions.