The Syndicate

Totally stoked to start playing this game! I’m pretty sure I’ve played at least one game with most of you, but if I haven’t, hello new guys! My strategy this game is going to be a little fast and loose, but I’m ready to wreck face.

Does anyone have any questions for me? Really nervous since I haven’t even seen a single episode of this show… Anybody know who Brent/Trent are? Killing one of them is gonna be an interesting decision, and I feel like I’d make a better choice if I knew more about them. Every Day 0 Poll is almost always nerve wracking.

Who wants to take bets on the first person to ask if anyone has poll info? At least there are only two options. Seems less likely there would be too much oddness with just two options to go off of.
The one problem I can see us running into pretty early is the lack of activity from some of the newer folks, but I’ll hold off judgement on that until more people start to trickle in or the days start to tick by, whichever comes first. Having inactive players (however intentionally) is only going to hurt the civs as the game goes on; having just won a game based on that, I don’t plan on tolerating it if I can help it. Everyone needs to pitch in.

This post is getting a little long but it’s late so it will probably be my only post of the night, better to make it count. Happy to be playing a full game again! I don’t think I could handle a 24/24 game again so soon after Watchmen. Ready to take my time and read everything carefully. Don’t expect me to fuck around with ISO’s or rainbow lists or whatever though.

Rainbow lists, as (inexplicably) popular as they’ve gotten, piss me off because they are annoying and serve no real legitimate purpose. Others obviously disagree, but I figure I’d best get my thoughts on the matter out early; I won’t hold it against anyone who wants to make one, but I won’t really hold those lists in a high regard either. But that’s probably my stubbornness influencing my game. I don’t adapt well to change. Now before I get too ramble-heavy, I’m gonna bounce outta here; bye guys!

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Totally stoked to start playing this game! I’m pretty sure I’ve played at least one game with most of you, but if I haven’t, hello new guys! My strategy this game is going to be a little fast and loose, but I’m ready to wreck face.

Does anyone have any questions for me? Really nervous since I haven’t even seen a single episode of this show… Anybody know who Brent/Trent are? Killing one of them is gonna be an interesting decision, and I feel like I’d make a better choice if I knew more about them. Every Day 0 Poll is almost always nerve wracking.

Who wants to take bets on the first person to ask if anyone has poll info? At least there are only two options. Seems less likely there would be too much oddness with just two options to go off of.
The one problem I can see us running into pretty early is the lack of activity from some of the newer folks, but I’ll hold off judgement on that until more people start to trickle in or the days start to tick by, whichever comes first. Having inactive players (however intentionally) is only going to hurt the civs as the game goes on; having just won a game based on that, I don’t plan on tolerating it if I can help it. Everyone needs to pitch in.

This post is getting a little long but it’s late so it will probably be my only post of the night, better to make it count. Happy to be playing a full game again! I don’t think I could handle a 24/24 game again so soon after Watchmen. Ready to take my time and read everything carefully. Don’t expect me to fuck around with ISO’s or rainbow lists or whatever though.

Rainbow lists, as (inexplicably) popular as they’ve gotten, piss me off because they are annoying and serve no real legitimate purpose. Others obviously disagree, but I figure I’d best get my thoughts on the matter out early; I won’t hold it against anyone who wants to make one, but I won’t really hold those lists in a high regard either. But that’s probably my stubbornness influencing my game. I don’t adapt well to change. Now before I get too ramble-heavy, I’m gonna bounce outta here; bye guys!

Hello, DH!

Rainbow lists aren't popular.

This game is 48/24, right?

Agreed on nonparticipants, here's hoping we don't have any.

I keep seeing a shitload of them for something that's not popular

Scotty wrote:Voted Trent because he actually dies first in the show.

You guys should really color in the lines for once.

I voted for this because, I like ties

I rarely ever pick the winning D0 poll option. This is refreshing.

Oh I get it, nice gimmick.

If I were a rich girl, I wouldn't have to work no more.

More people haven't seen this show then I thought.

Epignosis wrote:than

No no, I said it right. More people haven't seen this show. And then, I thought " "

Silly epi.

Nice post, The llama seventy three.

Long Con wrote:Are votes changeable?

They are not.

Long Con wrote:Are we supposed to be weird and have a special thing we do in this game?

God damn, I almost did that :P

Long Con wrote:DH, why did you vote for Epig?

Because somebody asked if votes were changeable. Because I didn't want MM to be the one to do it this game, because out of anyone I'd think Epi would be fine with my vote.

Long Con wrote:

Scotty wrote:LC, I don't think you're thinking through these strategies, and honestly I don't think you are on Xander's team.

I'm not sure why you felt the need to let us all know how honest you are being when you said that. Maybe you thought that if you had said "I don't think you're on Xander's team", we might not think you were being honest about it. So, good thing you clarified that with a totally necessary adverb.

As for thinking through these strategies, the problem you are having is a lack of vision. This can be done, and it can be well-coordinated and executed by Xander. We can make him invincible. Unlynchable, unkillable.

I took Llama's rule to mean in-thread stuff. If he wants to limit what Xander can say in the secret message, so be it. The Xtacles will know soon enough.

Honestly is an aderb

Scotty wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Theoretically, Xander could say "Cliff and Clint, target this player tonight".

But if Cliff is nightkilled, nobody would know he was dead, so this strategy might not be ideal. Imo, Xander would be better off choosing players he thinks should be nightkilled.

Ahhh, I didn't take into account that the Xtacles would know their own name.

So yes, hmm, this strategy could work for at least the first few days, until too many people are NK'd, then it would be dicey.

Long Con wrote:

Scotty wrote:LC, I don't think you're thinking through these strategies, and honestly I don't think you are on Xander's team.

I'm not sure why you felt the need to let us all know how honest you are being when you said that. Maybe you thought that if you had said "I don't think you're on Xander's team", we might not think you were being honest about it. So, good thing you clarified that with a totally necessary adverb.

Don't get me started on adverbs. I use a lot of them, and tend to write how I talk, so deal with it.

Long Con wrote: As for thinking through these strategies, the problem you are having is a lack of vision. This can be done, and it can be well-coordinated and executed by Xander. We can make him invincible. Unlynchable, unkillable.

I took Llama's rule to mean in-thread stuff. If he wants to limit what Xander can say in the secret message, so be it. The Xtacles will know soon enough.

I'll admit that I haven't submitted any strategies myself, and have only harped on your ideas. Because if we follow through with your plan, what happens after a few Xylaphones are possibly killed at Night? This bold strategy will not make him invincible in the long run.

So are you saying you are an Xtentacle with that "we"?

Possibly is also an adverb! GET HIM!

Made wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I also want to say that you all seem to be having fun, and that makes me a happy llama.

This "fun" however does not make for a happy Made, as I am actually getting nothing from what has been said so far. I suppose I can start with the salt spewing:

Ahem
MP smells funny
Nightwing is a second rate superhero

Actually tho, no pings thus far :/

NIGHTWING?


NIGHTWING?

What the fuck man.

Roxy wrote:I will be voting for anyone that votes a new player to me.

*eyes Epi and MP*

Don't understand what LC is on about with the xtancle thing but that does not make him suspicious in my mafia playbook what does read suspiciously is Scotty's take on LC's post about it but I won't be voting Scotty Day 1 but may consider it for Day 2.

I also won't be voting Hambuger Boy, Ika, Sig, Mac's Mom or Saberfish.

I likely will not be voting Das Porcu or Made either.

Everyone else is fair game for me

I am not liking Gmans style this game the Magic 8 balls have always given me the creeps. It, however, is nothing to vote over.

I totes believe SVS when she said she had misread the roles. I read them and still do not understand them all.
Wish I was apje and could ask a ton a poignant questions about them.

I will catch back up after work and see if I feel anything else.

Would you be willing to explain why the players you mentioned are exempt from your vote?

I will be voting for Made from now on.

Long Con wrote:DharmaHelper: Do you consider Nightwing to be a first-rate superhero?

Roxy: Would you like to see an extensive example of how Xander and the Xtacles might secure the game a lot more tightly for the Civs, provided it gets the host's blessing?

I think he's ok.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Scotty wrote:Sigh. OK. Well. I'm down to get frisky.

Looking to hire a professional to make me feel better. Any takers?

There's no better professional than a Sockfaced professional.

Yeah

Delicious speculation

Made wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Delicious speculation

Why do you think DH voted rather than simply asking?

Who can possibly say.

Epignosis wrote:This is why 48 hour days are a pointless joke. People seem to love them, but most don't use them. Makes no sense to me. It just invites the same six or seven people to say the same six or seven things six or seven different ways, and then when voting time comes, everybody else is all "oh noes! I have thirteen pages to catch up on!"

I know right

Epignosis wrote:People I will vote:

Cookie - One post so far. Not what I want to see.

MP - I still find his reaction to DH's overly gregarious post disconcerting and not genuine.

Tiny Bubbles - Hasn't claimed being a civilian yet.


People I will not vote:

Long Con - More interested in organizing how (presumably) others use their roles (even if it breaks rules or the intention of the game) than looking for someone to lynch Day 1 and making some real progress. Waste of time. I like it.

DharmaHelper - RIP Twosimus.

Scotty - RIP Scotty

Eh, I did what I needed to do with Twosimus. Now I can raise money to buy a gladiator that already has the benefit of a shitload of top level gear :P

Ya'll trippin

Windows 10 is pretty dope apart from how incredibly shit it is.

But this remark from Eloh got me thinking. If Epi was sober during this it doesn't feel so jokey anymore.

If you don't think Epi can go from 0 to 60 in that time frame, I've got some news for you.

I think you guys are on to something with regards to Epi's Great Deception.

Epignosis wrote:I said I had about 14 beers. Not the same thing as saying I was drunk.

Sorry if you lightweights can't fathom that.

If I get lynched, my ghost will have to party with Andre.

Classic backtracking

Epi comes under fire and is immediately defended.

S~V~S wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

But this remark from Eloh got me thinking. If Epi was sober during this it doesn't feel so jokey anymore.

If you don't think Epi can go from 0 to 60 in that time frame, I've got some news for you.

I was under the impression that Epi was a serious world class league drinker. It takes hours for a real drunk to get sloppy. Coming from a family of super serious contenders in the Worlds Largest Family of Congenital Drunks, I have experience in this department

Unless you are saying Epi is a lightweight. They can get drunk in half an hour, lol.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Who wants an MP rainbow list?

DharmaHelper wrote:Epi comes under fire and is immediately defended.

And you were the first to step up to the plate, lol.

I will watch this develop, and not commit today. As I said the whole conversation seemed fishy, I thought it was drunken bantering. But since Epi himself says he was not drunk (and my point in my original post was that if he was NOT drunk, the conversation looked a lot more calculated to me). MPs posts this afternoon were pretty much a WIFOM deluxe with cheese, so no help there. Not sure where I am gonna vote yet; looking at the spread we already have (and I am not sure why a few of those people even have votes) I don't know that I want to spread it more.

Linki~ but if the head civ has a power that allows him to communicate with them, why not try to harness their power for good?

I wasn't defending him.

What fresh hell is this

Epignosis wrote:If ifs and buts were candies and nuts we'd all have a merry Christmas.

Yeah you would like nuts wouldn't you.

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:If ifs and buts were candies and nuts we'd all have a merry Christmas.

Yeah you would like nuts wouldn't you.

Are you drunk, DH?

If I said no, nobody would believe me and we'd spend 3 pages on a conspiracy regarding my sobriety.


If I said yes, nobody would believe me and we'd spend 2 and a half posts giving a shit.

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Epignosis wrote:If ifs and buts were candies and nuts we'd all have a merry Christmas.

Yeah you would like nuts wouldn't you.

Are you drunk, DH?

If I said no, nobody would believe me and we'd spend 3 pages on a conspiracy regarding my sobriety.


If I said yes, nobody would believe me and we'd spend 2 and a half posts giving a shit.

Anything would be better than you making unappealing propositions.

You don't peel nuts doofus.

Elohcin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:
It's never too early to explain to your three-year-old that pulling his scrotum isn't a particularly healthy endeavor, even if the activity is "skretchy and fun."

And who loves boobs WAY too much for his own good.

Nobody wants to vote for me?

Nice vote Made.

S~V~S wrote:This whole thread is beginning to feel like an inside joke,

Say what?

This is why I voted so early

Epignosis wrote:Just to recap.

DH voted me because.

G-Man voted me because.

Glad to be in the running thanks to Dick Grayson and the Oiuja Board your idiot Christian grandma would buy you for your birthday.

That's a nice Conan the Barbarian avatar.

Epignosis wrote:

What is best in life, Cheetara?

After this vote, it will be a matter of deciding who was being saved.

Wow whoever voted MM didn't really do a good job of hunting mafia

Time for Big Daddy to get caught up on some of that whackadoo lynch

Epi won't be getting my vote for some time. He's making nonsense points and ignoring actual suspects. Clearly civvie Epi.

Roxy wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Epi won't be getting my vote for some time. He's making nonsense points and ignoring actual suspects. Clearly civvie Epi.

Is this all you care to post after catching up?

No. I'm working on a rather large post. If you must know.

Epignosis wrote:I'm not working on any posts because I'm the village idiot.

DharmaHelper and TurnipHead are both reading PMs.

Lets take a look at who got the most votes last lynch and which of those votes could have been seen as teammates saving each other.

1. Epignosis

DharmaHelper (2), G-Man (16) 10%

2. Timmer

nijuukyugou (8), Made (14) 10%

3. Metalmarsh89

S~V~S (13), HamburgerBoy (17), Roxy (18) 14%

4. Sig

Elohcin (9), Mac's Mom (10), Cookie (20) 14%

5. Long Con

Metalmarsh89 (4), Scotty (7), MovingPictures07 (21) 14%

6. Cookie

Epignosis (3), timmer (11) 10%

7. MP

TinyBubbles (12), Spacedaisy (19) 10%

Above are the top vote getters (at least two votes). In order to determine which votes could have possibly been saves, I will be considering the following criteria:

1. The timing of the vote

2. The vote's consistency with the players suspicions

3. Which players had similar vote totals at the time the vote was cast.

[EDITORS NOTE: RIght now, my main goal is to get this information posted. Once I have it all down and in one place, I will look it over and dial in on who exactly was being saved/doing the saving. I meant to do it all in one post but this shit is getting tiring.]
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Lets Start with the Epignosis Voters

1. DharmaHelper (1st Vote, reasoning here) Definitely a civ. Moving on.

2. G-Man (14th vote, no discernible reason. At the time: Epi, Cookie x2, Long Con x2, Scotty, Timmer x2, Sig x2, MP, MM, Mac's Mom)

Conclusions (And Read): G-Man's vote kept Epi in contention at a time when 4 other players had at least two votes. Unfortunate for a number of reasons, not least of which is that because there were so many votes for so many different people, it's difficult to say if G-Man's vote was in particular helping out a teammate. G-Man also gives no reason that I could find for his vote. As a side note, should G-Man continue the 8-Ball gimmick, I will vote to lynch him. It is not so much a gimmick as a restriction, and posting restrictions are what mafia do to civvies to cut down on discussion. Doing it to himself just makes everything more difficult for everyone. Sorry dude, better luck with your next gimmick.
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Timmer Voters

1. Blooper (6th Vote, Reason given here) At the time: Epi, Cookie, Long Con x2, Scotty)

Conclusions (And Read): Light, blendy Day 1 content. Which is interesting given her comments in her vote post. For the sake of this hunt however, not likely to have been using her vote to save or help a teammate, since the only player in a lead at the time of her vote was Long Con, and her vote followed Long Con's Scotty vote, so a smarter play would have been jumping off Long Con's Scotty suspicion and Scotty's reaction in order to put Scotty in the running. Not saying this clears her from being mafia, it just clears her for the sake of looking for players who were trying to save their teammates.

2. Made (12th vote, Reason given here At the time: Epi, Cookie x2, Long Con x2, Scotty, Timmer, Sig x2, MP, MM)

Conclusions (And Read): Noteable for several reasons. Firstly, his back and forth with the other Timmer voter (Bloops). Playful banter or distancing? And unlike everyone else on this list so far, he is the second person to cast a vote for someone and give a reason for doing so. Unfortunately, he did both of those things in the same post. Made had been around and participating, so this pings me as something quite fishy, given his turnaround on bloop and his vote for Timmer. The pool of possible teammates is also quite attractive.

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MM Voters

1. SVS (11th vote, Reason given here At the time: Epi, Cookie x2, Long Con x2, Scotty, Timmer, Sig x2, MP)

Conclusions (And Read): Sketchy vote all around. First point, SVS spends all Day 0/1 talking about how the Epi/MP back and forth doesn't sit well with her, but she "doesn't want to commit" to it. I don't know if I've ever seen SVS afraid of committing to a suspicion before. Second point, SVS says she "doesn't want to spread the vote out any further", and then spreads the vote out even further. This is notable for two reasons: 1) Both of her suspects (Epi and MP) had at least 1 vote at the time she cast her vote. 2) Her reasoning for voting MM, which you can see in the link, involved MM voting for LC for "voting for someone for doing something they do in every damned game“, which is exactly how MM has been behaving. Bottom line, I don't think SVS's vote was designed to save or help save anyone who currently had votes (because both of the suspects she mentioned earlier at least had 1 vote, so it would have been easy to justify voting for Epi or MP). But her vote is suspect irregardless, and by extention herself.

2. Hamburgerboy (15th vote, Reason given here At the time: Epi x2, Cookie x2, Long Con x2, Scotty, Timmer x2, Sig x2, MP, MM, Mac's Mom)

Conclusions (And Read): Nothing really to go on here. No prior suspects I could find, and his reason for voting for MM was "to widen the tie". Lazy civ play most likely, I doubt mafia would give up such a weak reasoning.

3. Roxy (16th vote, Reason given here At the time: Epi x2, Cookie x2, Long Con x2, Scotty, Timmer x2, Sig x2, MP, MM x2, Mac's Mom)

Conclusions (And Read): I'm not seeing anything in Roxy's tone or style that is unusual for her. Her vote for MM reflects my experiences with her as a player and do not say anything to her alignment. I don't think she was trying to save anyone with her MM vote.
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Sig Voters

1. Eloh (7th vote, Reason given here At the time: Epi, Cookie, Long Con x2, Scotty, Timmer)

Conclusion (And Read): Too early for me to put a read on Eloh, I tend to figure her out (civ or baddie) later in games. I will say that given her posts (in particular her interaction with Timmer RE: Epi being fake drunk like a big fat phony faker) lead me to believe that her vote was genuine and not meant to save LC, since if she was trying to save him, putting a vote on Timmer would have made sense.

2. Macs Mom (8th Vote, no reason I could find. At the time: Epi, Cookie, Long Con x2, Scotty, Timmer, Sig)
Conclusion (And Read): Seems to be more of a character than a player. I am not confident that Mac's Mom would have the wherewithal to attempt a save.

3. Cookie (18th vote, Reason given here At the Time: Epi x2, Cookie x2, Long Con x2, Scotty, Timmer x2, Sig x2, MP x2, MM x3, Mac's Mom,)

Conclusion (And Read): This is a very different cookie than in Watchmen mafia, which I will have to keep an eye on. in regards to her vote, her reasoning checks out, but just barely. Self-preservation would have been easier voting for MM. Maybe she chose to dump a vote on sig because it would be easy to avoid explaining it to him, since he's not here. Voting for people who can't defend themselves is sketch. For the purpose of this exercise, Cookie's vote was obviously to save herself.

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Long Con Voters


1. Scotty (5th Vote, Reason given here At the Time: Epi, Cookie, Long Con, Scotty,)

Conclusion (And Read): Not a save vote, definitely a NO U. Scotty seems to have a good head on his shoulders and is doing some nice role analysis.

2. MM - Civ, moving on.

3. MP (19th vote, Reason given hereAt the Time: Epi x2, Cookie x2, Long Con x2, Scotty, Timmer x2,Sig x3,MP x2, MM x3, Mac's Mom,)

Conclusion (And Read): MP is not trying very hard, which I can understand. His desire to keep the lynch a tie rather than save himself is indicative of how invested he is. Not a save attempt vote, but definitely got an eye on MP.
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Cookie Voters

1. Epignosis (2nd Vote, Reason given here At the time: Epi)

Conclusions (And Read): Definitely not a save attempt. Significantly weak reasoning.

2. Timmer (9th Vote, Reason given here At the Time: Epi, Cookie, Long Con x2 Scotty, Timmer, Sig x2,

Conclusion (And Read): Timmer is hiding. I don't like how he pushed responsibility for his vote out into the thread. He'd expressed interest in Scotty, and Scotty had a vote when he was about to vote, so that he'd dump onto Cookie, whom he'd never brought up before (I believe, I've been typing this all out for a while, I could be wrong) doesn't sit well with me.


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MP Voters

1.Tiny Bubbles (10th Vote, Reason given here At the time: Epi, Cookie x2, Long Con x2, Scotty, Timmer, Sig x2,

Conclusion (And Read): Blendy, low posting, not a lot to go on definitively. There were more effective places to put her vote for a save, and more effective places to put her vote to fully blend in.

2. SpaceDaisy (17th vote, reason given here At the time: Epi x2, Cookie x2, Long Con x2, Scotty, Timmer x2, Sig x2, MP, MM x3, Mac's Mom)

Conclusion (And Read): Not a lot to go on, once again. It's possible she just has MP on the brain.

That took for goddamn ever