The Syndicate

I know nothing about this show. So I googled "Brent or Trent" and came across a poll on a baby name site. Trent was marginally more popular, and I agreed with someone who left a comment that Brent sounds kinda snooty. Like someone who thought he was too classy for Molly Ringwald in one of those 80s movies. So voting Brent, that guys gotta go.

Long Con wrote:What's the win condition of the Sisterhood of Chaos?

Xander Crews sends a message every night to six other Civs, so that's one of our biggest advantages. It would probably be best for him to 1) tell them all who he is, and 2) give a secret way for all the Xtacles to tell him, and each other, who they are. Like, make the 12th word of your second post of the day start with the letter F, or something equally hard to figure out. Then we will have a very solid Super Civvie team to base the whole game around. He could also set up a secret communication system wherein we can set up Xtacles coordination as well.

But wouldn't that lead to the baddies potentially finding this info out too, due to the Sisters Of Chaos thing? One of them is a baddie. I would think that wholesale info sharing might be something to approach with caution. My experience with search roles is that it's pretty hit or miss. They may never find each other, but I am not sure I want all that info potentially travelling to the baddies. I think Xander should be more circumspect about his own identity.

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Who should I vote for today?

You should vote for Stan.

I'm sorry, but who's Stan?

Stan is a guy who's going to automatically start killing some relatively important Civs every day on Day 2.

thellama73 wrote:
Stan - Runs the Crews company when Xander is too lazy to do it, but has no real allegiance except to himself. Briefly masqueraded as Awesome-X. While he is alive, one of the Xtacles’ heads will explode every day.

timmer wrote:Sorry guys, I didn't realize that we had started!

I'm a little pinged by the fact that SVS apparently misread the roles, since her reply to Long Con about the Xtacles isn't accurate. But I suppose that's a ping that doesn't really indicate an alignment so I'm not sure where to go with it. I'll tune in more tomorrow night. Game on!

I dont really see how misunderstanding the roles could be indicative of her alignment. Are you thinking from an angle like baddies don't have to care as much as Civvies about understanding all the roles maybe?

I misunderstood Xanders messages, I was thinking any civs could get that info. Even understanding it, I am still leery of Xander sharing his identity. Although I think the risk is fairly minimal since the roles are not very vague as llama roles can sometimes be. I am sure Timmer has seen me make similar careless errors regardless of alignment, so Timmer. The last game we played together I went the whole game having misread my own role Lol.

I have read the Epi MP convo a few times. If I have learned anything it is that blurting out my opinion on either can be a mistake for me so I want to reserve judgment at this time.

My phone corrected Xander to Cancer yikes. And the color tags are really hard to read on the light theme, so I may have to switch to dark for this game.

Long Con wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Who should I vote for today?

You should vote for Stan.

I'm sorry, but who's Stan?

Stan is a guy who's going to automatically start killing some relatively important Civs every day on Day 2.

thellama73 wrote:
Stan - Runs the Crews company when Xander is too lazy to do it, but has no real allegiance except to himself. Briefly masqueraded as Awesome-X. While he is alive, one of the Xtacles’ heads will explode every day.

timmer wrote:Sorry guys, I didn't realize that we had started!

I'm a little pinged by the fact that SVS apparently misread the roles, since her reply to Long Con about the Xtacles isn't accurate. But I suppose that's a ping that doesn't really indicate an alignment so I'm not sure where to go with it. I'll tune in more tomorrow night. Game on!

I dont really see how misunderstanding the roles could be indicative of her alignment. Are you thinking from an angle like baddies don't have to care as much as Civvies about understanding all the roles maybe?

I misunderstood Xanders messages, I was thinking any civs could get that info. Even understanding it, I am still leery of Xander sharing his identity. Although I think the risk is fairly minimal since the roles are not very vague as llama roles can sometimes be. I am sure Timmer has seen me make similar careless errors regardless of alignment, so Timmer. The last game we played together I went the whole game having misread my own role Lol.

I have read the Epi MP convo a few times. If I have learned anything it is that blurting out my opinion on either can be a mistake for me so I want to reserve judgment at this time.

My phone corrected Xander to Cancer yikes. And the color tags are really hard to read on the light theme, so I may have to switch to dark for this game.

Ok, no more colour tags.

And you're wrong, Xander should absolutely let the Xtacles know who he is. For starters, we won't be mislynching him then. And if he can get the Xtacles coordinated, they could actually protect him at night, every night! In addition to that, so long as enough live, they could coordinate a roleblock every night as well, which could end up finding baddies when kills fail.

Thats a good thing, you're right. I just get really paranoid about important roles taking risks. But the rish to reard ratio would be low, so I will stop worrying about it. Plus didn't Llama cut a few Xtacles?

And you did not have to change the colors, it was fun. But old eyes, tiny phone screen. I was bemoaning that rather than the colors themselves.

I think DH is probably angling for a reaction. It seems too lazy for a distancing attempt, and DH isn't generally a lazy player.

And if you were to alphabetize Frisky Fucking Dingo you would have Dingo Frisky Fucking. You are alphabetizing all over town surprised you have not done that yet.

How about this, i challenge you to write an alphabetical ON TOPIC post. (This will make a good contest for future games). Like "A Baddie Can decide every Frisky ...." I dunno what G word to use, let's ask G-Man.

You=MP, I thought I quoted this post:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Alright, game-related question for everyone:

What do folks make of DH's vote for Epi? Does it say anything about alignment for you, however small?

I have to get back to being frisky with my PhD work, so I'll be back at some point, IDK when.

But I am apparently a loser since I did not.

This post has been in my head.

Elohcin wrote:This game has been so fun to read so far. Sorry it took me so long to get into Day 1. Four and a half hours left and I have no clue who I want to vote for. I don't see anyone standing out with mafia behavior but with so many new (to the syndicate) players, it will be hard to tell. Plus several players have yet to say anything or much.

@ G-Man - do you plan on keeping this gimmick up all game? How will be know your suspects or how will you make a case for anyone. I do think your gimmick is pretty awesome this game. It would be really cool as an insanifier. However, I am not sure you can actually play the game this way. Am I underestimating the G-Man?

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:You're Mafia. I'm confident. 100% I'll stake my Mafia reputation on it, MP.

Lol. Real funny. :P

But you're wrong.

But...but...what if I'm right?

Not possible, my friend.

How many drinks have you had? :P

At my age, I stop counting. 14 is a close mark.

Trying to discredit me?

I went to bed close to 11pm and he wasn't drunk at the time. I think its said this post was around 11:30 or so.

My initial reaction to Epi dogging MP was that Epi was just having fun, maybe trying to do MP a favor the week before his wedding and get him lynched. This was reinforced for me when Epi mentioned Daisy. Then this comment about staking his Mafia reputation on MP being bad, kind of a joke playing on something that happened in Watchmen.

But this remark from Eloh got me thinking. If Epi was sober during this it doesn't feel so jokey anymore.

This whole conversation felt false to me. I kind of think Epi was trying to bus MP~ and maybe MP asked him to back off. So he turned to low posters not even halfway through day one, lol. In any case, I don't want to commit to this yet. But I wanted to throw the option out there. I would like to see how they react to this. Since on the other hand this would be somewhat sloppy for Epi, not nearly Byzantine enough.

A few other random thoughts~ I always find self imposed posting restrictions to be suspect. It's a nice way to be cryptic, and avoid actually answering questions and participating while being memorable and leaving people with a smile on their faces. So G-Mans Magic 8 Ball also has my eye, especially if he keeps it up after Day One.

And re Xander & the Xtacles~ I think some sort of coordination is built into the game, or llama would not have given Xander the messaging power. Hopefully Xander used LCs idea & sample post to ask the host the right questions re what is and is not allowed. Without BTSC, thread coordination is what the civvies have.

Also I hate ranking lists, rainbow or otherwise. In a two baddie game, it's just a shopping list for baddies, and I tend to suspect people who make them in 2 bad team games. This has 1 set of baddies and then baddies lite~ the set up reminds me of the set up in HSK a bit, except for the Xtacle Asploder. So I won't find it all that suspicious if others do it, but I am unlikely to be doing it myself. Perhaps later in the game when I have better impressions of everyone.

Scotty wrote:LC, your vote for me makes about as much sense as this shit:

THIS IS FUCKING AMAZEBALLS!!!!

Now I will go catch up. Seriously though, yeah, it makes no sense, but it's still pretty spectacular.

DharmaHelper wrote:

But this remark from Eloh got me thinking. If Epi was sober during this it doesn't feel so jokey anymore.

If you don't think Epi can go from 0 to 60 in that time frame, I've got some news for you.

I was under the impression that Epi was a serious world class league drinker. It takes hours for a real drunk to get sloppy. Coming from a family of super serious contenders in the Worlds Largest Family of Congenital Drunks, I have experience in this department

Unless you are saying Epi is a lightweight. They can get drunk in half an hour, lol.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Who wants an MP rainbow list?

DharmaHelper wrote:Epi comes under fire and is immediately defended.

And you were the first to step up to the plate, lol.

I will watch this develop, and not commit today. As I said the whole conversation seemed fishy, I thought it was drunken bantering. But since Epi himself says he was not drunk (and my point in my original post was that if he was NOT drunk, the conversation looked a lot more calculated to me). MPs posts this afternoon were pretty much a WIFOM deluxe with cheese, so no help there. Not sure where I am gonna vote yet; looking at the spread we already have (and I am not sure why a few of those people even have votes) I don't know that I want to spread it more.

Linki~ but if the head civ has a power that allows him to communicate with them, why not try to harness their power for good?

timmer wrote:What if sig is xander?

Cookie sounds good enough to me.

Sig hasn't posted anywhere on the forum for about a month. It took a while to fill the game up, I am not sure there are a lot of replacements available and I doubt sig will show up, so even if sig was Xander,i am thinking we would be living a Xander free lifestyle regardless. I would rather give Llama a day or two to see if he can get someone else in here for him, though.

I am not particularly feeling the cases on any of the people with votes, and even though I still think the Epi/MP convo was weird, I don't feel strongly enough about it to vote for either of them. While I don't want to spread it any further, I have to vote for someone.

This whole thread is beginning to feel like an inside joke, so i am going to vote for MM for ignoring Roxys question, and voting for someone for doing something they do in every damned game.

When did the Hamburglar vote? Did he not post?

Scotty wrote:I would also add that in my opinion, KF didn't vote for MM, and if he did, it's SVS.
No, KF probably did vote early, on someone who probably wasn't going to gain any traction, based on weak reasoning.

Nah, that would have been really stupid of me were I KF. When I voted for MM, there were 10 or 11 people left to vote, and nearly two hours of poll time left. I would have piled onto someone with votes, and I would have done it later, and would have gotten teammates to do the same. With only 3 people missing the vote, most if not all of the baddies probably voted. Especially in this case, where I would have expected Roxy to vote for MM for the same reason I did~ in Mafia people ask you questions, and if you don't answer them, it looks suspicious, and he seemed to be intentionally evasive

I am not a fan of fixing bad formatting. Leaving it in all it's awful glory reminds people to be more careful when formatting And what possible malicious thing could be gong on?

I have been out all day, and am leaving again shortly. Will do my best to be well read

DharmaHelper wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I am not a fan of fixing bad formatting. Leaving it in all it's awful glory reminds people to be more careful when formatting And what possible malicious thing could be gong on?

I have been out all day, and am leaving again shortly. Will do my best to be well read

This wasn't bad formatting, the page literally broke.

Oh, I didn't see it. It was already fixed when I got here. Did someone save a screencap to send me & MP? To make sure it doesn't happen again.

I definitely would like to see it, since the page should not be just "broken".

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I definitely would like to see it, since the page should not be just "broken".

It looked something like this.

Thanks, MM. I did some research, and that is due to the broken tags with THIS specific kind of spoiler tag; the the board was actually broken, fin=xing tags would not have fixed it. The first tag we tried would not have done that, but that tag did not work at all in one of the themes (and this one is not 100% visible in the dark theme), so it was not usable for us. If we want a spoiler tag that works in both themes, apparently, our options are more limited.

On a side note, did you know that there are discussion foums for every possible thing? Last night I found not one or two, but THREE forums dedicated to phpbb bb codes alone?

Roxy wrote:
SVS (Someone pointed out earlier that it is unlike SVS not to stand by a minor suspicion for a vote Day 1 - I too found it odd she did not vote for you or MP)

I tend to tunnel on those particular people. I still think the whole thing felt faux to me, but I generally always read MP that way. Several people weighed in that they felt it would be out of character for Epi to act as I thought it looked to me. I am trying to be less tunnelish as it jest leads to shouting matches and grief for me. If the whole thing was a joke on Epis part, then i wish people would not joke about suspicions, becasue I have issues sometimes differentiating humor when i can't see peoples faces. I thought he was serious, some seem to think he was kidding. He dropped it quickly enough.

Roxy wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Roxy wrote:
SVS (Someone pointed out earlier that it is unlike SVS not to stand by a minor suspicion for a vote Day 1 - I too found it odd she did not vote for you or MP)

I tend to tunnel on those particular people. I still think the whole thing felt faux to me, but I generally always read MP that way. Several people weighed in that they felt it would be out of character for Epi to act as I thought it looked to me. I am trying to be less tunnelish as it jest leads to shouting matches and grief for me. If the whole thing was a joke on Epis part, then i wish people would not joke about suspicions, becasue I have issues sometimes differentiating humor when i can't see peoples faces. I thought he was serious, some seem to think he was kidding. He dropped it quickly enough.

Well then this is a new thing for you so I will take what you say under advisement. Though it was weird not to see you follow your own suspicion esp on Day 1.
I have seen you tunnel MP hard and vice versa but what do you think of Daisy's suspicion of MP? Do you agree with her?

You may or may not recall the issues I used to have with DH. Finally I said I just have to learn how to deal with his tone, so I started to ignore his tone completely. This is a similar thing, Epis tone, and to a certain extent MPs as well (although its more demeanor than tone with MP) almost ALWAYS set off my alarms. So if I don't want to derail every game I play with them, I have to learn to look past that. If you recall, in one of my first posts i said something was catching my eye, but I wasn't sure if i wanted to discuss it, and that was the Epi/Mp thing.

As for Daisy, her suspicion and her blowing my suspicions about Epi/MP off as she did seem somewhat contradictory. Unless she was just defending Epi, although I did not read it that way. Perhaps I just misread Epi, and Daisy is the one throwing MP under the bus

DharmaHelper wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Roxy wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Roxy wrote:
SVS (Someone pointed out earlier that it is unlike SVS not to stand by a minor suspicion for a vote Day 1 - I too found it odd she did not vote for you or MP)

I tend to tunnel on those particular people. I still think the whole thing felt faux to me, but I generally always read MP that way. Several people weighed in that they felt it would be out of character for Epi to act as I thought it looked to me. I am trying to be less tunnelish as it jest leads to shouting matches and grief for me. If the whole thing was a joke on Epis part, then i wish people would not joke about suspicions, becasue I have issues sometimes differentiating humor when i can't see peoples faces. I thought he was serious, some seem to think he was kidding. He dropped it quickly enough.

Well then this is a new thing for you so I will take what you say under advisement. Though it was weird not to see you follow your own suspicion esp on Day 1.
I have seen you tunnel MP hard and vice versa but what do you think of Daisy's suspicion of MP? Do you agree with her?

You may or may not recall the issues I used to have with DH. Finally I said I just have to learn how to deal with his tone, so I started to ignore his tone completely. This is a similar thing, Epis tone, and to a certain extent MPs as well (although its more demeanor than tone with MP) almost ALWAYS set off my alarms. So if I don't want to derail every game I play with them, I have to learn to look past that. If you recall, in one of my first posts i said something was catching my eye, but I wasn't sure if i wanted to discuss it, and that was the Epi/Mp thing.

As for Daisy, her suspicion and her blowing my suspicions about Epi/MP off as she did seem somewhat contradictory. Unless she was just defending Epi, although I did not read it that way. Perhaps I just misread Epi, and Daisy is the one throwing MP under the bus

Did you want to address my points against you?

I will have to go look for them. Give me a sec. Or many secs, lol.

DH said this: 1. SVS (11th vote, Reason given here At the time: Epi, Cookie x2, Long Con x2, Scotty, Timmer, Sig x2, MP)

Conclusions (And Read): Sketchy vote all around. First point, SVS spends all Day 0/1 talking about how the Epi/MP back and forth doesn't sit well with her, but she "doesn't want to commit" to it. I don't know if I've ever seen SVS afraid of committing to a suspicion before. Second point, SVS says she "doesn't want to spread the vote out any further", and then spreads the vote out even further. This is notable for two reasons: 1) Both of her suspects (Epi and MP) had at least 1 vote at the time she cast her vote. 2) Her reasoning for voting MM, which you can see in the link, involved MM voting for LC for "voting for someone for doing something they do in every damned game“, which is exactly how MM has been behaving. Bottom line, I don't think SVS's vote was designed to save or help save anyone who currently had votes (because both of the suspects she mentioned earlier at least had 1 vote, so it would have been easy to justify voting for Epi or MP). But her vote is suspect irregardless, and by extention herself.

I explained the first part of this to Roxy, You specifically should understand this, but I am gonna spell it out. In BoB, I went totally batshit insane on Epi because I was reading him on tone, and made a complete fool out of myself. Like I used to do to you. Our fearless leader was not pleased, shall we say, that I lost it quite as badly as I did. So I am trying to be more circumspect re Epignosis; rather than expecting him to alter his tone to accomodate others, I am trying to block his tone out, if that makes sense. So I am a bit iffy on him right now, since I don't have much of a basis for reading him outside of tone. But I did not want to make a big stink on Day One in the very next game I played with him over feels. So yeah, you have never seen me do this. But I don't want to have a meltdown like that again, and i have to work with the guy. TBH, I was afraid of raising a shitstorm by voting for either of them. Gods honest truth.

And I voted for MM for not answering Roxys question, predominantly.

Whether you buy it or not, it's true. And I bet it's why Epi has mentioned me barely himself.

Epignosis wrote:

Made wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Would it be cosmic justice if SVS and Epi were on a team?

That sounds terrifying.

For whom?

DharmaHelper wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Whether you buy it or not, it's true. And I bet it's why Epi has mentioned me barely himself.

I can buy that specific part of your story, but what I have difficulty reconciling is your vote, and the reasons for your vote. You voted MM in order to "not spread the vote", which spread the vote out. Your reason was that MM voted for LC for "doing something he does every game." And that he ignored Roxy's questions.

The thing there is that this is the sort of play MM does every game (every game I can remember anyway). So your reasoning behind your vote breaks down pretty easily from the jump.

1) You expressed a desire not to spread the vote, but did anyway.

2) You voted for MM for doing what he does every single game, with the reason being in part "He voted for LC for doing something he does every single game."

It's hard to ignore those discrepancies. You also brought MP/Epi up multiple times, which doesn't mesh with your "I wanted to ignore them completely" story. You brought it up, you brought attention to it, why not just let it go?

You keep saying this and ignoring the part where I voted for him for not answering Roxys question. And MM does NOT do that every single game~ if I voted for him for self voting, yeah. But I didn't. And hindsight is 20/20, isn't it?

And like I said, I mentioned it really early, I had something that got my eye, i was reluctant to bring it up. But I did. Daisy basically ridiculed me, and my point was not something anyone else saw. So then I let it go. And i did not want to spread the vote, but I also did not want to vote on a weak suspicion, especially one that would cause me grief personally. So I pussed out. No one else has ever done that?

You are reading into something that is not there, or if it is there, it is a very embarassing personal issue I have.

Roxy wrote:

sig wrote:We only have thirty minuets, again to those who haven't voted I think Saber is mafia if I'm wrong it gets us much closer to catching Killer. At this point we already have a smallish pool of who killer could be and lynching Saber would decrease that, I find his earlier vote to be suspicious, and as I said I really do believe he is mafia. I'm not sure about Made so I would prefer not having him lynched I would need to read more of his posts and the arguments to lynch him, but I could be fine with a Cookie lynch as well, not as happy as a Saber lynch, but it would be okay since he has pinged me. However, at this point I don't think we should lynch MP I don't see any strategic advantage of lynching him, over Saber.

You don't think he claimed xtcle?

Role claims? On day 1?

I am incredibly over role claims. I am voting Daisy because I think she blew me off and then flopped on MP.

Roxy wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Roxy wrote:

sig wrote:We only have thirty minuets, again to those who haven't voted I think Saber is mafia if I'm wrong it gets us much closer to catching Killer. At this point we already have a smallish pool of who killer could be and lynching Saber would decrease that, I find his earlier vote to be suspicious, and as I said I really do believe he is mafia. I'm not sure about Made so I would prefer not having him lynched I would need to read more of his posts and the arguments to lynch him, but I could be fine with a Cookie lynch as well, not as happy as a Saber lynch, but it would be okay since he has pinged me. However, at this point I don't think we should lynch MP I don't see any strategic advantage of lynching him, over Saber.

You don't think he claimed xtcle?

Role claims? On day 1?

No on Day 2

linky really SVS?

Really. What's the problem?

Epignosis wrote:Roxy.

She likes new players and I think Cookie would appeal to her.

The "I will vote for anyone voting new players" angle (which Roxy does take regularly) turned into voting MetalMarsh89 for 3 votes when Cookie had 2 ("I broke the tie!"). She could have broken the Cookie Day 1. She didn't because of dogma.

The refusal to vote new players despite evidence is dogma, Roxy. Dogma.

She cast a wide net Day 2 ("I could vote any of these people") and ended up voting Cookie after I tipped the scales.

I feel confident Roxy is bad.

While I would love it if she were since she won't drop the thing I am really embarrassed and don't want to talk about, I honestly don;t think she is. She has a certain waspishness about her when she is bad that I am not seeing here.

Roxy wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Roxy.

She likes new players and I think Cookie would appeal to her.

The "I will vote for anyone voting new players" angle (which Roxy does take regularly) turned into voting MetalMarsh89 for 3 votes when Cookie had 2 ("I broke the tie!"). She could have broken the Cookie Day 1. She didn't because of dogma.

The refusal to vote new players despite evidence is dogma, Roxy. Dogma.

She cast a wide net Day 2 ("I could vote any of these people") and ended up voting Cookie after I tipped the scales.

I feel confident Roxy is bad.

While I would love it if she were since she won't drop the thing I am really embarrassed and don't want to talk about, I honestly don;t think she is. She has a certain waspishness about her when she is bad that I am not seeing here.

You're not seeing how waspish Roxy has been?

What exactly is waspish? Sounds disgusting tbh

When you're bad, you have a certain quality to your posts, at least as I read them. A mocking tone, that real Roxy does not have, and that civ Roxy does not have. I read you almost totally on tone most games. I am not seeing that here at all. This is not a judgment on you, just on your bad game as I see it. You're more direct when you're a civ, which IS what i am seeing here.

DH is right, Rox. Absolutely nothing wrong with your attitude. That's my point

Wow, that sucks. Poor Xtacles

Intriguing that the role was revealed, though. I doubt he will answer, but :

@Llama~ NK role reveals: standard, one time only or it depends?

ANd MP, when Roxy is bad, she just has a tone that is somewhat sharper. I don't want to keep reaching for euphemisms for it; it seems her feeling were already hurt by "waspish" and I don't mean this in a negative way. It's her baddie game, not her, I am talking about. It's a tell of sorts for me. As soon as i hear it I recognize it.

That aspect of her game is totally missing here. She sounds sincere, if frustrated. She could have changed her game a bit, but in my experience of her, I don't think she is a baddie.

DharmaHelper wrote:I did go back and read SVS during BoB mafia to gain some perspective, and this jumped out at me.

I say what i think always when a civ, I don't care how it makes me look.

I have been avoiding this, but...

did you ALSO read the part where I went batshit insane on Epignosis? And totally lost my cool and made a complete fool of myslef? Did you read that part?

Did it occur to you that I might be trying to learn to deal with what has been an ongoing problem for me?

You pulled that one quote out of all that embarrassing awfulness. I really don't know what to say. I am out for tonight.

Made wrote:I'll be back in the morning to reply and vote <3

Is your avatar a bear in a birthday hat?

I only skimmed over last nights posts, will read in more depth tonight. I know Epi is *sure* becasue he's *sure* because that's what he does, but I am not so sure.

One thing I am gathering from the last several days discussion is that way too much bussing is going on becasue that seems to be the basis of way too many suspicions (including my own early thoughts on MP & Epi). Baddies bussing each other has taken the place of baddies defending each other as the point of suspicion. So it would seem to me that bussing is becoming passe.

Most of my Mafia time today is going to BoB, which is winding down. I don't make the endgame much, so I enjoy it when I do. But I will try to do some reading during breaks at work.

nijuukyugou wrote:Okay, this is my hour. Or half hour. Let's do this.

MovingPictures07 wrote:nijuukyugou, is Made your top mafia read going into today? If so, why? If not, why, and who is?

No. I mentioned his recent tone made me feel slightly better about him yesterday, and his second vote on Cookie makes me think otherwise. I don't remember Made's style being bussing a (fairly) newbie teammate so early.

Epi would do it. He has done it. He'd do it again, too. But I dunno if he'd do it again so soon. He's not a one-trick pony. Just tricky.

Why is sig (and anyone for that matter, but I notice sig more) going after Saberfish so hard? Perhaps I missed it in context, but I didn't see what pinged him in his posts. I expected to see something much worse based on his strong suspicion. This is an actual question, not an accusation.

So, re-reading, it looks like Roxy really is a good candidate today. Epi made some good points, and once I noticed and thought about her vote yesterday (especially her need to reiterate multiple times that she doesn't vote newbies Day 1, but Day 2 is cool). I had more to say, but my head hurts from lack of sleep and I need to pack and get on the road soon. Voting Roxy.

So you're just jumping on the bandwagon, basically.

Not sure where I am going to vote, but it won't be for Roxy unless I missed something super incriminating today.

Gonna make dinner & catch up while I eat.

Maybe they did not get the E-mail about you being the boss of us.

Well there you go, might as well send "letters". No one gets faxes anymore.

DH, if you want everyone to vote for Roxy or Saberfish why did you vote for Epi? How would you feel if people voted for him instead?

...so how would you feel if they voted for him instead?

I really want to vote for Daisy again, I think her whole, Oh SVS is wrong about MP & Epi being bad... but I kinda really do think MP is bad song & dance felt very song and dance to me. VERY. But I want to give Russti the BOTD here.

Not voting Roxy, not really feeling a Made vote either. I am gonna vote Ninja for her only mildly disguised "jumping in the bandwagon cause I'm busy, k?" vote.

And typing that sentence made me miss Lizzie something fierce.

Better warm up that fax machine Boss.

Aw, no death rabbits? So sad

Hrm, where to look for cats on the internet...

I'll buy ou some of that shit if you get i there right now!

Sorry, for some reason that fax did not come through...

Wow, what a bloody game!

The Xtacles are taking a beating. MM was an Xtacle, and Timmer their "leader". Scotty, LC & DH all exploded, so had to have been Xtacles. DH surprises me, I had another role in mind for him. And Stan could be anyone, since it does not look like he actively needs to *do* anything to kill Xtacles, just be alive.

The baddies have killed someone who is generally quieter on topic without BTS, a low poster & someone who asked to be replaced. So I am not really seeing a strategic element to the kills. As opposed to the random killer who is taking out power players; the Xtacles were stacked. Very unusual game.

It's gonna be a looooong day phase for those of us not traveling to Ohio.

I hope to hear what Russ has to say in general. I was fairly sure Daisy was bad, but I guess it is possible she was distracted, lol.

ika wrote:Why am i still alive?

Becasue you aren't an xtacle, obviously

Ninja WAS jumping on a bandwagon. And c'mon you know me, I like giving replacements a day to orient.

And I did not mention Made because I had no opinion on him. I read him as bad all the time when he isn't, so my opinion on him is useless.

This is NOT the case with Roxy; I think I read her pretty well.

So we're having a private discussion and you are coming after me?

You have not mentioned me before tonight.

No one has had an opinion; why single me out?

Go ahead and vote for me, Epi. Get it over with.

It isn't it just seems odd that we are arguing about a different issue and suddenly I am so suspicious to you.

Can you understand why I might feel that way?