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by Golden
Tue Aug 18, 2015 3:50 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Why did I let MP beat me.
by Golden
Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:27 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

G-Man wrote:
Golden wrote:Why did I let MP beat me.
Because you're a coward. ;)
You're right. That is why I let MP beat me. :disappoint:

linki - Hi Typhoony!
by Golden
Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:35 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

DharmaHelper wrote:I voted for Position 1, because its best to start at the beginning.
Someone is a closet Sound of Music fan.
by Golden
Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:54 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Bullzeye wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Position 5 results in the least amount of death.

Linki: listen to me when I'm talking to you DH.
This is actually a very valid point. Worth bearing in mind when people decide how to vote!
We have to cycle through all five positions. It might actually be that we are better off getting kills from baddies out of the way now... we should think about and discuss best use of kills. Definitely better to avoid positions with civ kills for now, I would think.
by Golden
Tue Aug 18, 2015 6:39 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

reywaS wrote:
Golden wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Position 5 results in the least amount of death.

Linki: listen to me when I'm talking to you DH.
This is actually a very valid point. Worth bearing in mind when people decide how to vote!
We have to cycle through all five positions. It might actually be that we are better off getting kills from baddies out of the way now... we should think about and discuss best use of kills. Definitely better to avoid positions with civ kills for now, I would think.
You "would" think? What is stopping you from actually thinking this? :ponder:

*votes Golden*
Rey!!!
by Golden
Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:49 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Assuming the idea here is that the positions will rotate throughout the game, I think the earliest stage (right now) would seem the ideal time to choose the position which features the most potentially frustrating roles that don't involve murdering someone. That would include things like lynch switches and day restarts -- both position 5. I'd rather have annoying things like those in play when the game is young than when we're dealing in a more evidence-based thread and vote choices are more meticulous. I'm still poking around though.
I endorse this.

I haven't had time yet to actually do my own analysis of which options are best, but I think it's a great idea to get horrible stuff out of the way early. The one problem is that most of the roles we don't know what alignment they will be, so I'd probably give more weight to getting things which are frustrating no matter what side of the fence they are on.
by Golden
Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:55 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
Replies: 6800
Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

MovingPictures07 wrote:DH, I will not address any of that adverb nonsense unless you have something you specifically want me to address. That's how I normally talk.
MP uses adverbs all the time, even when civ. I suggest you look out for adverbs that could specifically change people's perspective.

Also, the use of 'currently' is not only using an adverb, it is also using a necessary qualifier, given the hosts themselves have given that qualifier.
by Golden
Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:58 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:One day when I have nothing else to do I am going to do a lengthy study on adverb usage in mafia and prove once and for all that it's always meaningless. ;)
I think if you divide your research by quantity and quality you will find that one is meaningless, and the other is not.
by Golden
Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:05 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

thellama73 wrote:
Golden wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:One day when I have nothing else to do I am going to do a lengthy study on adverb usage in mafia and prove once and for all that it's always meaningless. ;)
I think if you divide your research by quantity and quality you will find that one is meaningless, and the other is not.
I caught a baddie with the adverb theory in Watchmen. Just sayin'.
Even you acknowledged it wasn't the adverbs, but the reactions, that mattered. :p (linki - you beat me to it!)

Still haven't done a detailed analysis, but if option 2 includes a thread lock and the hunger, that might be my vote in the interests of getting it out of the way early.
by Golden
Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:06 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Please co-ordinate your post timing better, four linkis is too many!
by Golden
Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:07 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
Replies: 6800
Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Is Day 0 normally the same length as other days? 'Cause I'm falling asleep at my desk and would like to drop my vote before the more lasting period of unconsciousness comes upon me if it's 24 hours.
It is 24 hours, the hosts said so.
by Golden
Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:11 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Is there a reason people are terrified of "The Hunger" beyond it simply being ominous? As in, has it appeared elsewhere in the annals of Syndicate lore and/or its sibling sites?
I have never played the three previous recruitment games (I'm not sure how that happened), but I'm simply basing it off what SVS had to say on the matter.
by Golden
Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:17 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
Replies: 6800
Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Golden wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Golden wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:One day when I have nothing else to do I am going to do a lengthy study on adverb usage in mafia and prove once and for all that it's always meaningless. ;)
I think if you divide your research by quantity and quality you will find that one is meaningless, and the other is not.
I caught a baddie with the adverb theory in Watchmen. Just sayin'.
Even you acknowledged it wasn't the adverbs, but the reactions, that mattered. :p (linki - you beat me to it!)

Still haven't done a detailed analysis, but if option 2 includes a thread lock and the hunger, that might be my vote in the interests of getting it out of the way early.
This is a good point. I may do the same.
You guys realize that we could go the whole game without vpting Position 2 if we wanted to, right? The way BR has it set up, there will always be three or more options in each night poll.
Oh, my understanding was that we had to cycle through all positions before that could happen. That does change things a little.

I just read through option 2 and it actually has a whole lot of things which are potentially beneficial to civilian factions as well, so we shouldn't rule out using it. But it does take away the need to vote for something just to get it out of the way.
by Golden
Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:23 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
Replies: 6800
Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:A horrible way to die is to get mislynched without anyone caring about your defense, but that's just me. :srsnod:
Have you been a victim of this?

I would still agree though. Watchmen rings all the bells here.
Watchmen, yes. "Golden is bad because he did a really obvious attempted save on the baddie we lynched". :disappoint: I have forgiven DH though.

I've done a look through and, given what MM pointed out, I'm happy with option 5.
by Golden
Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:26 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
Replies: 6800
Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Ricochet wrote:
Golden wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:A horrible way to die is to get mislynched without anyone caring about your defense, but that's just me. :srsnod:
Have you been a victim of this?

I would still agree though. Watchmen rings all the bells here.
Watchmen, yes. "Golden is bad because he did a really obvious attempted save on the baddie we lynched". :disappoint: I have forgiven DH though.

I've done a look through and, given what MM pointed out, I'm happy with option 5.
You mean DDL? I would have guessed he stonewalled your arguments the most.
DH is the one who dropped the poll to four people, the other three of whom had virtually zero reason to lynch at that stage.
by Golden
Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:27 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
Replies: 6800
Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

MovingPictures07 wrote:Rico's current post count is 2,112.

Don't post again too quickly, Rico.
No, he should rush to post again.
by Golden
Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:52 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

New font color - pedantic pink.

I'm also trying out pedantic black for size.

@SVS - I just always assume anything MM posts on day one is not actually intended to be taken seriously.
by Golden
Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:04 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
Replies: 6800
Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

I'm liking the pedantic pink.
by Golden
Tue Aug 18, 2015 11:05 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Epi and DH, I am citing you both with infractions for failure to use pedantic pink. Get your pedantry in order.
by Golden
Tue Aug 18, 2015 11:08 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Long Con wrote:Please know that each of your deaths - Civvie, baddie, and indy alike - are mourned by one of your hosts.
Fixed.
by Golden
Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:03 am
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Black Rock wrote:
Golden wrote:
Long Con wrote:Please know that each of your deaths - Civvie, baddie, and indy alike - are mourned by one of your hosts.
Fixed.
We have a debate going, which host do you think is more likely to mourn the players deaths?
Interesting... who is on what side of the debate?

(I meant BR.)
by Golden
Wed Aug 19, 2015 12:26 am
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
Replies: 6800
Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

BR cares.

One of these is true of LC however:

1) He has no soul
2) He is an emotionless automaton
3) He will, on occasion, be too busy cheering at how awesomely a mechanic worked out to truly mourn the death
4) He simply doesn't like anyone on the players list
5) He's only the co-host, so he isn't fully emotionally invested

I think it's probably position 3, but I'll leave it open.
by Golden
Wed Aug 19, 2015 2:38 am
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Black Rock wrote:Have you been told to F off lately?
I was told to 9 days ago if you know what I mean. :P
But he persisted and got a win anyway.
by Golden
Wed Aug 19, 2015 3:43 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
Replies: 6800
Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

I wish I had played other recruitment games. The dynamics here are interesting. The only one I've played a little like it is rabbit's SK game (in which timmer betrayed me! wisely, because I would have won if he didn't, but I still carry the pain. We were a team!)

I will still probably find myself in a civ mindset because I can't help it, but its very odd knowing there are only 2 baddies out of 36 players right now.

What I'm most interested in is that some people have been already willing to put their hand up and say 'I haven't been recruited yet'. I'm not sure what to make of that. Obviously it turned out to be true in this case (assuming they are not one of the four leaders) but why say it? Are they setting themselves up for a lie later? What has been the general philosophy in saying something like that in the game? I don't really understand why you would do that?

I do, however, agree with JJ that begging for a recruit is not at all desperate, obscene or try-hard, so I present for you my own unique skills.

Roger Rabbit
Death and Taxes
Biblical

Unfortunately, I have no link to me juggling, but it wouldn't convince anyone.
by Golden
Wed Aug 19, 2015 3:43 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
Replies: 6800
Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

@Bullz - am i wrong in assuming you can only be recruited by one?
by Golden
Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:21 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
Replies: 6800
Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Golden wrote:What I'm most interested in is that some people have been already willing to put their hand up and say 'I haven't been recruited yet'. I'm not sure what to make of that. Obviously it turned out to be true in this case (assuming they are not one of the four leaders) but why say it? Are they setting themselves up for a lie later? What has been the general philosophy in saying something like that in the game? I don't really understand why you would do that?
Given that it seems confirmed that nobody can know yet whether they've been recruited, I find this set of questions curious. How do you suppose this behavior would facilitate a "lie later" for those who made relevant comments?
"Still not recruited"

"Still not recruited"
by Golden
Wed Aug 19, 2015 4:29 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
Replies: 6800
Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

G-Man, I had a lot of help from you in Death & Taxes too. :p No mafia win is the product of a single individual, but those were games where I played well. Guess Who, not so much.

linki @bullz - G-man talked out of his ass a lot that game.
by Golden
Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:39 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
Replies: 6800
Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

thellama73 wrote:Well, I know who I'm voting for. Anyone want to talk about anything else while we wait?
Can we talk about whether we should lynch you?

What about - if the person who you vote for is lynched, should the lynch pardon be used?
by Golden
Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:46 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

Well the lynchee is whoever you vote for in that scenario, and you already know who they are, so...

Should the lynch save be used to save the person you are voting for?
by Golden
Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:48 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
Replies: 6800
Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

thellama73 wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Well, I know who I'm voting for. Anyone want to talk about anything else while we wait?
How about if we should lynch you for already deciding who you're voting for with little explanation?

Also, I completely forgot who you said you're voting for so yeah there's that...
Would you like an explanation? I would be happy to provide one.

linki Golden: I don't think the lynch save should be used on the person I will be voting for, because I think that person is bad.
Is that person still bubbles?
by Golden
Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:00 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
Replies: 6800
Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

thellama73 wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Well, I know who I'm voting for. Anyone want to talk about anything else while we wait?
How about if we should lynch you for already deciding who you're voting for with little explanation?

Also, I completely forgot who you said you're voting for so yeah there's that...
Would you like an explanation? I would be happy to provide one.

linki Golden: I don't think the lynch save should be used on the person I will be voting for, because I think that person is bad.
Well Golden's post reminded me it was Bubbles. So yeah, either an explanation or a link back to your reason why would suffice for now.
I asked Bubbles if she was bad, and she said she was. Why would she lie about that?
You remind me of Absalom.

I did not read bubbles post as a statement of fact, but as a sarcastic response to your question, and won't be voting that way myself. I did not mind her reaction. I think it spoke to neutrality, and I don't think she would have been a likely choice for a recruit after that point.
by Golden
Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:06 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
Replies: 6800
Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

S~V~S wrote:
TinyBubbles wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
TinyBubbles wrote:POST. hi everyone :)
POST. Hi Tinybubbles. Did you finally get a mafia role this time around?
hi MM :) i'm afraid not. i think i'm going for a mafia record here lol
She also said this ^^

So you are preferring to take her at her word for one post but not another?
In fact, she said that first.

SVS - help me with a bit of theorycrafting. (For anyone who asks, I asked SVS specifically because I know her brain works a lot differently to mine and so I think her perspective can be very helpful to me, but I'm interested in anyones view). If you were a baddie leader, what would your preferred approach be on day one - try and recruit someone you know is a major FEB and could be a big asset to the team, or try and recruit someone no-one would suspect?
by Golden
Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:20 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

That does answer my question, although it unfortunately only complicated my thinking to the point where I realised there are so many potential motivations that it isn't particularly reliable as a way of figuring out who to vote.

Interesting that 'whether they are a FEB' wouldn't come in to it, because that was the bit I was hoping might be most useful.
by Golden
Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:25 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
Replies: 6800
Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

BWT, technically not all of those 6 things are definitions of sarcasm.
by Golden
Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:36 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

S~V~S wrote:I tend to judge people as individuals not as reputations. My best game of all time was Rabbits SOT, I was a ... civvie. We had a large civ BTS group, and we worked pretty well together. That team has been my gold standard of what a team should be. Not so much for the individuals (although they all were awesome and people in the Mafia community that I <3 maybe a bit more than most) but for the way we worked together. I would want cohesion more than anything, really. Team players, no Prima Donnas.

What was your theory?
That a good choice for a first lynch might be someone who has a reputation for surviving deep and not getting caught when bad, since a baddie might try to recruit someone that gave them the best shot at winning. Someone like DF or DP, for example, who frequently fly under the radar. Or someone like Typhoony or llama who can often survive deep on their wily skills by not being too civvish to NK nor too baddie-looking to get lynched.

But if I look at my own psyche, I'd probably just pick people who I felt I could have fun with too. Or that I really wanted to have btsc with because I hadn't yet, or something.
by Golden
Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:17 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I tend to judge people as individuals not as reputations. My best game of all time was Rabbits SOT, I was a ... civvie. We had a large civ BTS group, and we worked pretty well together. That team has been my gold standard of what a team should be. Not so much for the individuals (although they all were awesome and people in the Mafia community that I <3 maybe a bit more than most) but for the way we worked together. I would want cohesion more than anything, really. Team players, no Prima Donnas.

What was your theory?
That a good choice for a first lynch might be someone who has a reputation for surviving deep and not getting caught when bad, since a baddie might try to recruit someone that gave them the best shot at winning. Someone like DF or DP, for example, who frequently fly under the radar. Or someone like Typhoony or llama who can often survive deep on their wily skills by not being too civvish to NK nor too baddie-looking to get lynched.

But if I look at my own psyche, I'd probably just pick people who I felt I could have fun with too. Or that I really wanted to have btsc with because I hadn't yet, or something.


Read this. Golden asked someone about recruitment. That someone was S~V~S.

For me, S~V~S gave a straightforward, believable, and satisfactory answer to the question.

Then she asked Golden the same question.

I'll color it above. That's four different criteria. Why is Golden seeking advice for this? What is his purpose? Couldn't Golden use his own knowledge to determine the best recruits?

But why, when asked for his view on recruitment, did he name four different possibilities instead of being direct?

That is what I find suspicious about Golden.
She did not ask me the same question, at all. She asked me a different question.

She did not ask my view on recruitment. She asked me what my theory was, which is what I answered in the first paragraph. With one possibility, not two. Although I expounded it with two sub-categories.

Then, I also answered a question she didn't ask, which was my view on recruitment, where I did give two answers.

The "four (three) different criteria" across those two things are the point. It's why I've come to the conclusion that I can't use that method to find a recruit.

So - you have asked a whole lot of questions about be, but not actually given what your answers would be, thats a really nice way to throw shade at someone without having to commit.

So, I've answered why I named all those different possibilities. Now lets do the rest.

What bit of 'why am I seeking the advice' did you not understand? I think it was pretty clear I was looking for other perspectives. I had a theory, I wanted to test it.
Could I use 'my own knowledge' to determine the best recruits? Sure I could, but why is it bad to ask others? I believe you get the best results when you have as much input as possible.

And one more question for you - what bit of my response is in any way not direct? Because I think the whole post is direct and to the point.
by Golden
Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:22 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

Boomslang wrote:
Golden wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I tend to judge people as individuals not as reputations. My best game of all time was Rabbits SOT, I was a ... civvie. We had a large civ BTS group, and we worked pretty well together. That team has been my gold standard of what a team should be. Not so much for the individuals (although they all were awesome and people in the Mafia community that I <3 maybe a bit more than most) but for the way we worked together. I would want cohesion more than anything, really. Team players, no Prima Donnas.

What was your theory?
That a good choice for a first lynch might be someone who has a reputation for surviving deep and not getting caught when bad, since a baddie might try to recruit someone that gave them the best shot at winning. Someone like DF or DP, for example, who frequently fly under the radar. Or someone like Typhoony or llama who can often survive deep on their wily skills by not being too civvish to NK nor too baddie-looking to get lynched.

But if I look at my own psyche, I'd probably just pick people who I felt I could have fun with too. Or that I really wanted to have btsc with because I hadn't yet, or something.
Man, I'm always skeptical about the previous-game knowledge thing. If people have distinctive playstyles, that's great for them, but roles are always random. Maybe you tend to remember the conniving liar's FEB roles more vividly, but that's a confirmation bias; lying can be used just as effectively to promote the civ cause. So going after someone based on "reputation" alone just doesn't seem right.
That's another reason why I landed there, too. Even if someone had picked three they considered to be FEB, it is subjective (just don't tell epi, because now he will say I'm being even less direct).
by Golden
Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:33 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

Go ahead, epi. Tear my response apart. Just keep your hands off my bean dip.
by Golden
Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:36 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

But this shade of pink is different to the one I started with! D'oh!

In all seriousness, SVS, right now I love you more than anything else in the world. :hugs:
by Golden
Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:40 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Views: 187025

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

Epignosis wrote:I'm going to bed myself. I want people to read Golden's answers a few times over. I think he's a naughty recruiter.
You think wrong.

I am not a naughty recruiter.

I am not a naughty recruitee either.

I do, however, want to make something of a day one in which nearly every person is neutral, and trying to get in the head of a naughty recruiter is, for me, a good idea.

I have an idea epi, why don't YOU read all my posts relating to thinking that through, in fact the whole chain of conversation with SVS - and not just my answers to your post - a few times over. I'm quite happy to encourage everyone else to as well, but I'd like you to, because so far all you've done is:

1) Misrepresent what SVS asked
2) Misrepresent my response
3) Put colours on things and asked vague questions to throw shade at me without actually specifying anything about why they would make me a 'naughty recruiter'
4) Ignored the questions I asked you.
by Golden
Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:45 am
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

Golden wrote:What bit of 'why am I seeking the advice' did you not understand? I think it was pretty clear I was looking for other perspectives. I had a theory, I wanted to test it.
Could I use 'my own knowledge' to determine the best recruits? Sure I could, but why is it bad to ask others? I believe you get the best results when you have as much input as possible.

And one more question for you - what bit of my response is in any way not direct? Because I think the whole post is direct and to the point.
by Golden
Thu Aug 20, 2015 1:01 am
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

I did not know SVS had previously been a recruiter but that played no factor in why I asked her. I asked her because 1) she was around when I was thinking about it and 2) there is noone else in mafia whose perspective I find to be completely different to my own more often. When testing theories, different ideas are better.
by Golden
Thu Aug 20, 2015 1:33 am
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

bea wrote:I honestly believe where you were coming from Golden. Like I said, if you were a recruiter, I don't think you'd ask advice about it.

This game is really hard. Especially in the beginning. Most of us are on no side whatsoever.

Do you think Epi is bad for suggesting you were a recruiter?
Probably not, given only 4/36 people are. I don't claim to be even 1% towards working out how epi's brain works, but I'm sure that most of it does not come out in the thread. But I do think he has a blind spot when it comes to critical thinking about his own hunches... it takes one to know one! Last time this happened and he contributed to getting me lynched on day one (I was civilian) I tried to take him out the back door behind me because I was convinced his motives for voting for me and for hounding MP about bean dip were bad, and MP used a civvie ninja kill on him and he actually wasn't bad. So, I know that sometimes epi will be determined he is right when he is on completely the wrong track. And I think that if he actually reads the conversation back he may realise it for himself.
by Golden
Thu Aug 20, 2015 1:43 am
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
Golden wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I tend to judge people as individuals not as reputations. My best game of all time was Rabbits SOT, I was a ... civvie. We had a large civ BTS group, and we worked pretty well together. That team has been my gold standard of what a team should be. Not so much for the individuals (although they all were awesome and people in the Mafia community that I <3 maybe a bit more than most) but for the way we worked together. I would want cohesion more than anything, really. Team players, no Prima Donnas.

What was your theory?
That a good choice for a first lynch might be someone who has a reputation for surviving deep and not getting caught when bad, since a baddie might try to recruit someone that gave them the best shot at winning. Someone like DF or DP, for example, who frequently fly under the radar. Or someone like Typhoony or llama who can often survive deep on their wily skills by not being too civvish to NK nor too baddie-looking to get lynched.

But if I look at my own psyche, I'd probably just pick people who I felt I could have fun with too. Or that I really wanted to have btsc with because I hadn't yet, or something.
Are you going to try and remove me right off the bat again now? ;)
Hey, if people object to me effectively calling them a pretty good player, they can object!

It came back to bite me last time, when you subbed in to the baddie team after death lol. I haven't forgotten that.
by Golden
Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:26 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

MovingPictures07 wrote:
bea wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Check out MP's adverb usage before and after my interaction with him, and then check out his adverb usage during my calling him out about being bad for using adverbs. Drastic jump. Got em. :clap:
Might be something to it. I don't like to use the whole adverb "thing" (since we can't agree on the difference between "theory" and "concept") as my basis for a case on someone. But it could very well influence it.
This feels like you want to agree but you want wiggle room out of it. I'm curious as to why this is the day 0 thing you chose to comment on.
I also want to highlight this post because I feel it has some merit.

What do players think of BWT's post? bea's post?
I like bea's post was insightful and it put BWT on my radar as a candidate for a vote.

Also, as of where I'm up to in catching up, I think MP is looking pretty good to me, although I disagree with his views on unfurl.
by Golden
Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:33 pm
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

MovingPictures07 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote: Irrational does not equate to suspicious.

Civilians act irrationally all the time. I find his statements mostly irrational, but they're typical Llama that I've seen for years now. He's trying his best to start discussion on Day 1, and I think he firmly believes he has a better chance at catching someone using his line of thinking (that someone who is lying is uncomfortable with a direct yes/no question) than he does at randomizing or any other method or current lead, so I believe he is being sincere. I have no reason to believe he is anything right now other than just plain old Llama.
Wrong. All actions are by definition rational, in the sense that they are designed to move the actor from a place of lesser satisfaction to a place of greater satisfaction, based on the subjective preferences of the actor. Whether or not they succeed is not relevant.
Ludwig von Mises wrote: The assertion that there is irrational action is always rooted in an evaluation of a scale of values different from our own. Whoever says that irrationality plays a role in human action is merely saying that his fellow men behave in a way that he does not consider correct.
Now, regarding low posters: My feeling is that they are less likely to be recruited, and therefore more likely to remain unaligned. Not ideal choices for lynches, especially later in the game. On Day 1, however, they are just as likely to be a recruiter as anyone else, so if we're going to go after them, we should do it sooner rather than later.
Fair enough. I suppose rational isn't the best word to describe what I think of your arguments (although I will emphasize that I used the qualifier "mostly", since I can understand why you feel the way you do); rather, they aren't convincing to me.
Not fair enough. Llama IS irrational. And Vompatti isn't even playing!
by Golden
Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:35 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Canucklehead wrote: This is not true, is it? Haven't all four recruiters (2 baddie and 2 civvie) had the chance to recruit once already? So really, there are 4 actual baddies in the game now, and four actual civs.....right??


Also, hi everyone! Sorry I wasn't around yesterday. It's super upper hella busy time here right now, but I will do my best to stay involved and active.


YAAAAYAYYAYAUYAYYUUUUYYYU RECRUITMENT GAME! Thanks for letting me sneak in last minute, beauteous hoagies! :hugs:
Based on what the hosts have posted, I think you may be right. Have we had specific confirmation though?
Yes.
Black Rock wrote:There will be 4 by days end. We are just waiting on something before the recruits will be officially told.
by Golden
Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:43 pm
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

By the way, I've caught up on all of rico's llama suspicions and the talk around it and I have to say - I see no reason to take rico's suspicions of llama as anything but genuine, and it does make me think twice about MP because - MP - why dismiss Rico's suspicion as only able to be genuine if he is biased? I thought he was making pretty decent points (albeit that I agree with you that I don't find llama suspicious for it).
by Golden
Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:46 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Golden wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Golden wrote:What I'm most interested in is that some people have been already willing to put their hand up and say 'I haven't been recruited yet'. I'm not sure what to make of that. Obviously it turned out to be true in this case (assuming they are not one of the four leaders) but why say it? Are they setting themselves up for a lie later? What has been the general philosophy in saying something like that in the game? I don't really understand why you would do that?
Given that it seems confirmed that nobody can know yet whether they've been recruited, I find this set of questions curious. How do you suppose this behavior would facilitate a "lie later" for those who made relevant comments?
"Still not recruited"

"Still not recruited"
Is it necessary for this initial statement of "I've not been recruited" to exist for the later hypothetical statements of "I've still not been recruited" to take place? I'm not sure I follow your mindset here.
Not necessary, but surely it makes later statements less likely to raise eyebrows.
by Golden
Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:48 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:*gets lynched for asking questions*
Lynchlynch Jimmy.
Are you that white rapper, Vanilla Lynch?

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