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by reywaS
Tue Aug 18, 2015 5:18 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Golden wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Position 5 results in the least amount of death.

Linki: listen to me when I'm talking to you DH.
This is actually a very valid point. Worth bearing in mind when people decide how to vote!
We have to cycle through all five positions. It might actually be that we are better off getting kills from baddies out of the way now... we should think about and discuss best use of kills. Definitely better to avoid positions with civ kills for now, I would think.
You "would" think? What is stopping you from actually thinking this? :ponder:

*votes Golden*
by reywaS
Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:16 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Bullzeye wrote:Why all this fuss about adverbs? Personally I've always found nouns to be the most suspicious part of language...
gerunds are obviously the most evil. A verb masquerading as a noun? Imposter!
by reywaS
Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:17 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

timmer wrote:I'm so excited for this game!!! I'm at work and will tune in for realz later, I can already see that this is going to be a nightmare to follow, lol.

Yes..methinks so too. :( Helluva choice of a game to pick to end my extended hiatus, eh?
by reywaS
Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:12 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

thellama73 wrote:
reywaS wrote:Is it though?
Depends on the goal. If the goal is to get to the end, it's probably better to start at the end.
not necessarily. Starting as close to the end as possible would be the easiest way to go I think.
by reywaS
Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:19 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

I've missed this game! Good to be back with all of you fine folks.
by reywaS
Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:21 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Everyone should vote the number that comes after 4 and before 6.

How many sides does a pentagram have?

How many letters are in mafia?

How many times have I nightkilled Black Rock on Night 1?
A pentegram has 10 sides. 5 points...10 sides. :D
by reywaS
Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:46 am
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Position 1 seems to be the missionary of this poll, so I will choose it. No reason to get all crazy right off the bat.
by reywaS
Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:41 am
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

G-Man wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:I voted for Position 1 because if you ain't first you're last.
What color is that supposed to be- pontificating purple?
dilettante purple
by reywaS
Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:41 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Turnip Head wrote:I don't want to be recruited. Y'all better leave me alone.
says the guy that actually does the recruiting...very crafty, Turnip Head
by reywaS
Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:45 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Golden wrote:I wish I had played other recruitment games. The dynamics here are interesting. The only one I've played a little like it is rabbit's SK game (in which timmer betrayed me! wisely, because I would have won if he didn't, but I still carry the pain. We were a team!)

I will still probably find myself in a civ mindset because I can't help it, but its very odd knowing there are only 2 baddies out of 36 players right now.

What I'm most interested in is that some people have been already willing to put their hand up and say 'I haven't been recruited yet'. I'm not sure what to make of that. Obviously it turned out to be true in this case (assuming they are not one of the four leaders) but why say it? Are they setting themselves up for a lie later? What has been the general philosophy in saying something like that in the game? I don't really understand why you would do that?

I do, however, agree with JJ that begging for a recruit is not at all desperate, obscene or try-hard, so I present for you my own unique skills.

Roger Rabbit
Death and Taxes
Biblical

Unfortunately, I have no link to me juggling, but it wouldn't convince anyone.
rabbit's Serial Killer game was probably the most fun game I've ever played. :D
by reywaS
Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:08 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

Adverbs are weasel words. You bunch of weasels.
by reywaS
Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:11 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 0)

and hope that the person with the lynch pardon knows that a mistake is being made. :D
by reywaS
Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:21 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Views: 187052

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

Typhoony wrote:Reywas / Roxy / Bea / any other original baddies from other RM games: Do you remember if you played differently than you normally would've when you were baddie leaders in RM 3?
I remember being anxious about every single thing that I said in that game...way more than I normally am when on a baddie team. I think it was mostly to do with me being one of the Ultramorph 9 since that was such a big topic of discussion. (although I was Creeping Death in that game and not Ultramorph)
by reywaS
Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:24 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

DharmaHelper wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:
Typhoony wrote:Reywas / Roxy / Bea / any other original baddies from other RM games: Do you remember if you played differently than you normally would've when you were baddie leaders in RM 3?
When I was Jelly King Earl, Supreme Lord of Purpleosity (I think that was my role...but maybe I was just an early recruit to the jelly team? My memory is fucked..) my entire game plan was about fun maximization. I recruited solely based on how funny people's posts were. I don't think my in-thread play differed much (I'm always kind of a sarcastic/goofy asshole)...but I think I was definitely more engaged in the thread than was typical for me at the time
No, you were Erlatz. DH was your first recruit, then Pangy and TH, then me, then bleag, if I recall correctly.

And yes, FUNNY OR DIE.
That Canuck thinks I am the most fun is pretty cool.

Here is my schedule for today so nobody gets their shit twisted:
1. Big Brother
2. Mr. Robot
3. Maybe Master Chef unless they're cookin some whack shit
4. Thread Catch up
5. Dnd Show at 9pm til like, the rest of the night
:haha: I've missed you, buddy.
by reywaS
Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:43 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Views: 187052

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

I had forgotten what an intelligent group mafia players were. I'm very glad that I signed up for this game. :D
by reywaS
Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:55 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

I would choose people that I think can, as you say, function cross alignment. If choosing among several of these types, I would go with people that I have had good experiences with in past mafia games in terms of strategic thinking and general fun.
by reywaS
Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:59 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

and if the last part wasn't applicable, I would choose someone that had already built up "civvie cred" in the game.
by reywaS
Thu Aug 20, 2015 1:10 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

Black Rock wrote:
nutella wrote:As usual I am overwhelmed by Day One activity and have no idea what to think of anyone. It's nice that there is some actual discussion, but I am still totally clueless as to how to rat out a decent lynch candidate. Sorry if I don't post much -- I'm trying to keep up with this super-fast-paced thread while at work.

Kind of curious about Epi vs. Golden. Those two both scare me a lot but can be extremely useful as civvies (or whatever, in this game). Might re-read their exchange from last night, though it seemed like a lot of it was just Epi being pedantic. :p Also llama. I never know what to think of him. :ponder:

As for Bubbles I think she is genuine. Going after her for joking seemed like a ridiculous nitpick at this stage, and after Broadway I want to give her the BOTD.
And Unfurl is reading like her usual self to me.

@BR- could you possibly use a slightly lighter shade of blue for your host color? It's a little painful on the dark forum skin
This?
Perfect!
by reywaS
Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:02 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm less interested in the same old Day 1 debates surrounding the same old super talkative and aggressive players such as Epi, Golden, and Llama.

Right now, I'm much more interested in these folks:

DFaraday 3
DisgruntledPorcupine 3
Typhoony 3
Bass_the_Clever 2
Spacedaisy 2
Devin the Omniscient 1
DrWilgy 1
Sorsha 1

Hiding to avoid attention? :eye:

Llama, won't you join me in a crusade to interrogate low posters to at least get them talking? Possibly lynched? :llama:
Hmmmmm....not a bad idea actually.

Makes me want to look at voting for a low poster, as well as getting some to talk more.
So, how will you achieve this besides threatening to vote for them?
by reywaS
Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:18 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

Typhoony wrote:I think in the last game, recruiters could only pick their first recruit. They had to send in a list of three and one of them would become the recruit iirc.

Everything after that was either through contests in which they would not be told who sent in what or through other means that were completely out of their control.

Also I remember BR/LC saying the roles were randomised, lemme see if I can find that.
This is correct as I remember recruiting in RM3.
by reywaS
Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:20 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Looking at MP's list again, I could see someone recruiting Spacedaisy early. She is rarely lynched, reliable, well-liked, and flies under the radar. An ideal first recruit.
True. Not a bad idea to put on the backburner.

Do you think MP would try to recruit Spacedaisy?
I don't know, it's a bit on the nose. I kind of doubt she would be his first choice.
I guess I'm curious as to if you think he would consider doing it, given that so many people would think he'd shy away with it being too obvious of a choice.

Basically, I wonder if he could get away with it simply because so many other people think he wouldn't do it because he couldn't get away with it.

Yes, that's confusing. No, I don't know how to word it better.
I do. WIFOM
by reywaS
Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:21 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Views: 187052

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

Damnit. Late twice in a row. I suck
by reywaS
Thu Aug 20, 2015 7:47 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

S~V~S wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:I feel unreasonably sad that I am not hypothetically invited to be on the imaginary Tranq/Typh/TH/apples/SVS superteam. :pout:
I have been lucky in my BTS partners in the past, that's for sure. I would recruit any of those guys for both game related and personal reasons. Super competitive, smart, detail oriented and somewhat patient with me asking the same question for the 88th time, lol. Plus just fun guys to hang out with; I have never really had regualr BTS with aapje, but he has basically held my mostly stupid & uncomprehending hand throughout Aces D & D game patiently telling me week after week what my roll should be. I don't think I have ever won with Typh, and I only won with Tranq in Jurassic Park (where we used our lynch switch to save Nutella, a baddie on the other team, and got ALL of those guys lynched, lol, good times). But winning isn't everything.

I play Mafia to have fun playing hard. That said, if any of them are recruiting, they did not recruit me :pout:

@Golden, in the past, the recruit passed down. That's how I got it in the first game, the original recruited was NKed.
I have always counted Lost as a win even though the game never made it to the intended endpoint. :)
by reywaS
Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:28 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Views: 187052

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

pedantic semantics ftw
by reywaS
Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:31 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

Epignosis v. Golden is fun
by reywaS
Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:35 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I will not be voting for MovingPictures07 today.

Linki: I will not be voting for reywaS today.
:phew:
by reywaS
Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:00 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

Golden wrote:@rey - exactly. That's why I find it very hard to see BWT as coming from a genuine place. I am, however, very familiar with being a popular day one target for suspicion from baddies, they love to find semantic ways of getting votes on to me.

linki @epi - ok. I'm not responding to you any more. I do not agree that you are shooting straight. It takes a special kind of cajones to have a lie as the fundamental basis of your accusation and call it shooting straight.

I will not be responding to any more of your posts until you acknowledge that you actually understand that 1) SVS never asked why I would recruit and 2) that is not the question I was answering.

linki 2 BWT - ok, that I can kind of read as genuine and understand.

linkie to everyone enjoying epi vs golden. Last time it happened, I was good and epi was bad. Then I get into it with LC. LC is bad, golden is good. When people get into it like this with me, anyone who still is pretending to genuinely believe they think I'm bad is worth lynching imo. Epi knows full well he is wrong. He is enjoying it as much as you.
I have had many run ins with you in the past. You read as civvie Golden that I remember. BWT, Epig I'm on the fence. I have been away from mafia for almost a year now, so there's that.
by reywaS
Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:03 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
LoRab wrote:Can we make semantic salmon a color? How about WIFOM wine? We can make colors for all of the things!!
Golden wrote: linkie to everyone enjoying epi vs golden. Last time it happened, I was good and epi was bad. Then I get into it with LC. LC is bad, golden is good. When people get into it like this with me, anyone who still is pretending to genuinely believe they think I'm bad is worth lynching imo. Epi knows full well he is wrong. He is enjoying it as much as you.
I did not suspect you at all until this. It's as if you are saying--last time I had back and forth I was good, therefore, duh, I'm good. It doesn't work that way. And, claiming good seems disingenuous, unless you're role claiming, since 28 out of 36 players are neutral, and only 4 players are civ--I don't think you're actually claiming one of those roles. But I do think you might be one of the foul four.

Especially with the: anyone that suspects me must be eevul.
I will not vote for LoRab today.
Is this shtick? :D
by reywaS
Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:29 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

I blame DharmaHelper.
by reywaS
Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:52 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

I'm not sure that makes him mafia. i've said things like that as a civvie and so has Golden.
by reywaS
Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:54 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

:fist:

This smiley looks dirty to me.
by reywaS
Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:22 am
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

Roxy wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Golden wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Golden wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Golden wrote:.He doesn't want to end it to his own lynch, is the point.... he knows that BOTH outcomes of that lynch outcome are bad for him.
How does Epi know anything?
Oh, I think he knows I am not bad just fine. He's just having fun.
But you don't seem to be having any fun.
I am not currently having fun.
You know what's fun? Playing lawn darts midday with a bright sun overhead.

Golden, I'm not sure why you're getting so worked up, with all this Arthur/Knights of the Round table stuff. You have 1 vote on you.

I can see why he is worked up - been there so many times myself. Being suspected for bs reasons sucks especially if they are using twisted logic - "like it has nothing to do with the question - it is how you answered the question" silly Day 1 stuff as per normal. Honestly would be better off just randomizing a vote.
suspecting someone because of how they answered a question is using twisted logic? I disagree.
Golden wrote:@dom - Not uncomfortable, but yeah I prefer to vote people I think could be bad. I do think epi could be bad.

But I certainly think epi and I are not going to be on the same side at any point in this game. Recruiters would be daft to recruit us both on to the same side at this point. So there is no value to me in epi living past today. I do not think he is civ. I think he has done some things which could mean he is bad. I think there are also neutral explanations for his behaviour. I don't mind seeing him lynched be he bad or neutral.

And, I see why you are confused because my response to JJ looks weird, it's because I read his question wrong. I thought he asked for motives that were not anti-town, hence my response to him about 'if epi was neutral'.

As for mafia motives, can think of two possibilities. One, he was thinking of recruiting me given we worked well together in Guess Who and creating distance first was a tactic to achieve it. Two, he was not thinking of recruiting me and so why not cast suspicion on me.

I'll be honest, I suspect the real reason epi won't back off his suspicion is much simpler. He has been busy with work starting up, lord of the realms, helping Simon with Angry Birds. I think he misread SVS question in the first place. But he is not the kind of person to back off because he misreads (or to admit he read something wrong), and so he just finds other ways to justify his suspicion.

Others can decide for themselves, I just don't have fun when people make up bs to accuse me of being bad. Lynching epi would restore balance to the force, and make the game more fun for me right now. That's my primary motive.

But my secondary motive is that, yes, I think he has given some cause to think he is bad. Particularly the post where he responded to me suggesting that everyone vote for either him or me, just after he voted for me and said we needed to 'end it'. He backtracked something chronic with that post. Called my tactics mafia 101, said I was setting some kind of trap, but wanted everyone to 'vote with their conscience' and not feel they had to vote for me, the person he thinks is bad?

Whatever comes, my original hope for today was that a lynch stop is used so no-one dies. But if epi gets the most votes, I think the lynch should be allowed to go through. Same for BWT. Those two have both given me reasons to think they could be bad.

linki @ SVS - you are completely right that I have made no entry into the contest to be recruited as a baddie and will not do so. SVS has had experience in the past of my warning baddie teams outright that if they recruit me I'll bus them all, which is a pretty effective tool to prevent baddie recruitment I can assure you. In a game called recruitment mafia I think doing something like that is not in the spirit of the game, so I will be the best I can of whatever I will be, but I will be far more excited to be recruited civ than bad.

I'm ok with DH talking about his poop, provided it is in nauseating brown. I understand unfurl's frustration with the lack of OT green.
you certainly don't think you two will end up on the same side? How can you possibly be certain of this when it has been well established that recruiters do not get to pick that way. The recruiters are not picking names directly and will not know exactly who they are recruiting until it is done. This is the first thing you've said in this game so far that makes me :ponder:
by reywaS
Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:23 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

Boomslang wrote:Argh, I can't even comprehend the amount of posting that's going on here. Two big things stick out to me, and I want to confirm that I share the suspicions previously raised.
Golden wrote: But I certainly think epi and I are not going to be on the same side at any point in this game. Recruiters would be daft to recruit us both on to the same side at this point.
The "certainly" is certainly a key word. Because the only way you'd know that for certain would be to be a recruiter yourself. At this point, the low-level animosity you've already established would be perfect for shedding suspicion of teamwork over time. I think you're being far too rash to discount that possibility.

The second is the continued insistence of some players, most recently Roxy, that this is not a good vs. evil game. It's written right there in the rules: civvie groups 1 and 2, baddie groups 1 and 2. There are lynches by civs and NKs by baddies that happen regardless of position. This is very clear, and I don't see why anyone would deny it except to sow confusion.
Those 2 Golden sentences stuck out to me as well.

Also, I have found myself agreeing with Timmer. I think he has made some very cogent points. The only thing I would disagree with is playing this as a LMS game for now. I believe that is overthinking things way too much. We have all played games with typical civvie to mafia ratios that also had neutral roles. I have played such a neutral role before. This game is no different. There are 2 civvie teams and 2 baddie teams. The only difference between this game and the typical game featuring neutrals is that there are a lot more neutrals and a lot fewer civvies and baddies which will of course change over time.
by reywaS
Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:49 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Views: 187052

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

Canucklehead wrote:
reywaS wrote:
Boomslang wrote:Argh, I can't even comprehend the amount of posting that's going on here. Two big things stick out to me, and I want to confirm that I share the suspicions previously raised.
Golden wrote: But I certainly think epi and I are not going to be on the same side at any point in this game. Recruiters would be daft to recruit us both on to the same side at this point.
The "certainly" is certainly a key word. Because the only way you'd know that for certain would be to be a recruiter yourself. At this point, the low-level animosity you've already established would be perfect for shedding suspicion of teamwork over time. I think you're being far too rash to discount that possibility.

The second is the continued insistence of some players, most recently Roxy, that this is not a good vs. evil game. It's written right there in the rules: civvie groups 1 and 2, baddie groups 1 and 2. There are lynches by civs and NKs by baddies that happen regardless of position. This is very clear, and I don't see why anyone would deny it except to sow confusion.
Those 2 Golden sentences stuck out to me as well.

Also, I have found myself agreeing with Timmer. I think he has made some very cogent points. The only thing I would disagree with is playing this as a LMS game for now. I believe that is overthinking things way too much. We have all played games with typical civvie to mafia ratios that also had neutral roles. I have played such a neutral role before. This game is no different. There are 2 civvie teams and 2 baddie teams. The only difference between this game and the typical game featuring neutrals is that there are a lot more neutrals and a lot fewer civvies and baddies which will of course change over time.
What your analysis in your last paragraph misses is that, unlike in "typical" games that have neutral roles, in THIS game, one's neutrality is almost guaranteed to change over the course of the game. There is no real room here for playing the same sort of strategy one would play as a neutral in a typical game because, unlike in those games where I understand that I'm on my own 'till the end and therefore don't have to worry about the fates and fortunes of other factions, in THIS game all I can really be certain of is that I won't always be neutral. Eventually, I'm going to have a win con specific to one side or the other, and because I do not know what that side will be, I need to work hard at this time to screw over neither side. That variability is what is guiding my strategy right now, in that I do not want to lose players that may later end up being members of the team I'll inevitably be recruited to. My best case scenario for today (and luckily, the statistically most likely one) is that we lynch a neutral. That is nothing at all like how I would play a neutral role in a typical game. :shrug:
Obviously, YMMV :)
I agree with all you say here, but the underlined part is exactly how I play a typical neutral role.
by reywaS
Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:57 pm
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

I always hunt baddies as indy/neutral
by reywaS
Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:51 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

Golden wrote:
Typhoony wrote:Linki: Golden, am I reading through the lines of your post correctly when I say that you'd like to lynch Epi because it would make the game more fun for you? Seriously dude, think about that for a second and then realize that it's not a good strategy to follow.
In a game where 30 of us are still neutral, why is taking out another person who I do not believe is civ and do not believe I will ever be on the same team as a bad strategy?
How could you possibly be so sure of this?
by reywaS
Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:54 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

Golden wrote:
reywaS wrote: you certainly don't think you two will end up on the same side? How can you possibly be certain of this when it has been well established that recruiters do not get to pick that way. The recruiters are not picking names directly and will not know exactly who they are recruiting until it is done. This is the first thing you've said in this game so far that makes me :ponder:
You and I clearly have a different view of well established. If it was well established, as you say, why would that comment make you ponder anyway? Would it make me bad to have said it?
might could be
by reywaS
Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:01 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

Golden is being willfully ignorant of that possibility it seems, Typhoony.
by reywaS
Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:24 pm
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Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
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Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

Golden wrote:
reywaS wrote:
Golden wrote:
reywaS wrote: you certainly don't think you two will end up on the same side? How can you possibly be certain of this when it has been well established that recruiters do not get to pick that way. The recruiters are not picking names directly and will not know exactly who they are recruiting until it is done. This is the first thing you've said in this game so far that makes me :ponder:
You and I clearly have a different view of well established. If it was well established, as you say, why would that comment make you ponder anyway? Would it make me bad to have said it?
might could be
Why? Whats the baddie motive?
I don't know. But the only way your idea about never being on Epig's team in this game makes any sense is if you are a recruiter. It still doesn't make sense for you to say this, but it's the only way it makes sense for you to think it...that you had some sort of control over the event. I dunno. Why do you keep saying you are so sure you will not be on his team?
by reywaS
Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:30 pm
Forum: Previous Jobs
Topic: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (End Game)
Replies: 6800
Views: 187052

Re: Recruitment Mafia IV: Dawn of the Clans (Day 1)

Golden wrote:
reywaS wrote:
Golden wrote:
reywaS wrote:
Golden wrote:
reywaS wrote: you certainly don't think you two will end up on the same side? How can you possibly be certain of this when it has been well established that recruiters do not get to pick that way. The recruiters are not picking names directly and will not know exactly who they are recruiting until it is done. This is the first thing you've said in this game so far that makes me :ponder:
You and I clearly have a different view of well established. If it was well established, as you say, why would that comment make you ponder anyway? Would it make me bad to have said it?
might could be
Why? Whats the baddie motive?
I don't know. But the only way your idea about never being on Epig's team in this game makes any sense is if you are a recruiter. It still doesn't make sense for you to say this, but it's the only way it makes sense for you to think it...that you had some sort of control over the event. I dunno. Why do you keep saying you are so sure you will not be on his team?
You are telling me that is is 'well established' that recruiters don't have control over the recruits. If that is true, what sense does it make that me being a recruiter would make any odds to my certainty?
It HAS been established that recruiters don't get to pick a name to recruit every time because of the host post saying as much. That alone should tell you that you can't 100% guarantee that the two of you won't end up on a team. Are you really going to ignore this? You are smarter than that. You know very well that you can't make that guarantee but you continue to pretend like it is a legit perspective.

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