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by Ricochet
Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:41 am
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Episode VII - the Force Awakens
Replies: 87
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Re: Episode VII - the Force Awakens

I'll probably go, because I'm not a monster who wouldn't take the chance to go with his best friend to the movies once in a while, otherwise I really don't care.
by Ricochet
Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:50 am
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Episode VII - the Force Awakens
Replies: 87
Views: 4024

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The hype over here in Nauru is so staggering, I still managed to get a good seat next Saturday evening at the mall. I'm also going alone because the abovementioned best friend actually said meh (also tfw no gf) . XD
by Ricochet
Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:53 am
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Episode VII - the Force Awakens
Replies: 87
Views: 4024

Re: Episode VII - the Force Awakens

How is everyone planning to discuss this in here? Spoiler tabs yay or nay?
by Ricochet
Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:02 am
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Episode VII - the Force Awakens
Replies: 87
Views: 4024

Re: Episode VII - the Force Awakens

Golden wrote:
Ricochet wrote:How is everyone planning to discuss this in here? Spoiler tabs yay or nay?
I wasn't planning to (for a while) but I guess provided everything about the movie is spoiler tagged, it would be ok?
Strangely enough, despite definitely not caring much at all about the premiere, reading even the simplest of "it was awsm / it was Lucas disguised as JJ all along" reactions would further detract from the incentive to see it. Hard task, considering social media, but I might just go dark until Saturday, as if I were a total nerd.

Yes, I reckon spoiler-tagged discussions here would be for the best.
by Ricochet
Sat Dec 19, 2015 12:20 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Episode VII - the Force Awakens
Replies: 87
Views: 4024

Re: Episode VII - the Force Awakens

Did Golden disappear or strap himself to a chair, as to not give into the dark side and post spoilers? Image
by Ricochet
Sun Dec 20, 2015 11:32 am
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Episode VII - the Force Awakens
Replies: 87
Views: 4024

Re: Episode VII - the Force Awakens

Welp, I've seen it.
by Ricochet
Sun Dec 20, 2015 5:55 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Episode VII - the Force Awakens
Replies: 87
Views: 4024

Re: Episode VII - the Force Awakens

Sounds like a long wait.
by Ricochet
Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:45 am
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Episode VII - the Force Awakens
Replies: 87
Views: 4024

Re: Episode VII - the Force Awakens

Nice touch making the text unspoiled, aka in can't see shit white. Extra protective spoiler layer. :p

I can certainly share my few thoughts as well, if anyone would be mostly ok with starting to rip through this. (in spoilers, of course)
by Ricochet
Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:12 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Episode VII - the Force Awakens
Replies: 87
Views: 4024

Re: Episode VII - the Force Awakens

I'm surprised it's pillow talk and not hatemail. Image

...tfw nobody PM pillowtalks with me... :sigh:
by Ricochet
Tue Dec 22, 2015 5:55 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Episode VII - the Force Awakens
Replies: 87
Views: 4024

Re: Episode VII - the Force Awakens

Ok here goes. Sorry, the spoilers will be also quoted, because I wouldn't be able to live with myself, writing in an indiscernible format - so, definitely no going back if you pop the spoilers tab.
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I'll write this from the perspective of someone who is not a fan(boy), by which I mean you will never hear me in my life getting hyped over a lightsaber fight or the many details, characters and wonders of such fictional universes and sagas. I did see the original trilogy on TV when I was a kid and I was guilty to have played the pod-racing PC game, after Episode I had come out, but that's about it for long-lasting enthuasiasm. Science-fiction fanboyism always drifted past me - I was chronologically more hooked on music, then cartoons, then music again, then books a bit, then music again, and nowadays snobby arthouse cinema...and music - although I guess I did watch rather rigurously Star Trek TNG as a kid and then was very fond of the Battlestar Galactica series.

That being said, I have no doubt most of the fans themselves should find TFA completely exciting and worthwhile (...except if they set their hopes to totally unreasonable standards, I suppose) and a redeeming service to the franchise, meant to create further episodes that one can be truly excited about (also, mountains of cash). I enjoyed it as well, but that does not stop me from judging the quality and impact of it, afterwards. TFA will stand the test of credibility, but I don't think it will stand the test of a great movie (on all levels) and of nitpicking.

The first thing it failed to do, unfortunately, was make me think any better of this JJ fella. See, he really grabbed the golden keys to blockbuster franchises, yet he always proves that he misses something vital. Up until now, I thought it was storytelling or such. But TFA sealed it for me: it's originality. The only time he proved that was with Lost and Fringe - but his vices instead in that case, frankly to my view, were the desire to bog down the narrative, to constantly pull mysteries out of a hat or create tension by relying on the unresolved, unexplained. But then he dreamed himself as the new Spielberg and made Super 8, which I honestly doubt can be called exciting anymore on the second or third viewing, nabbed Star Trek (and progressively made a mess out of it) and now Star Wars. This guy is simply riding on the back of great film- and franchisemakers with ease.

What TFA should have proven was a sense of original vision, maybe even an embrace of a new mythology. Instead it is refurbished Star Wars (to, no doubt, incredible results; all credits to him, in this case), it ended up being the "30-years-later / history-tends-to-repeat-itself" type of narrative, with everyone-being-someone's-someone and it was more looking back at ANH and even some bits of ESB, rather than looking forward. Probably the breaking point of ANH references to me was the tavern (? dunno what to call it) scene, down to the farking musicians. I swear my hands almost twitched to go up in the air. All the others followed, of course, to a much deeper level than that.

As for performances:
  • To start with the old ones, I think Ford did a very fine job and was a good sport to put back some real emotion and acting into his [SPOILERS]last[/SPOILERS] performance of a character he wished to disassociate himself with for the past 30 years (seriously, there are articles written on this). The throwback gags were a bit too much for my taste, but they work just fine for the fans. Carrie was mneh and I don't understand why she ended up simply as an old Resistance figurehead, after being referenced in the original movies (by Yoda and Ghost Obi-Wan, I think) as the "other hope" for the Jedi, in case Luke blows it. I did not like that Hammill's cliffhanger was actually wordless, nor the cheap shotmaking of it (helicopter angles? really?), but I did like that being his only appearence in the movie nevertheless (instead of, like it was maddeningly speculated, him turning evil) and that they kept the focus on his failures and flaws, rather than making him a saviour or something (which, after all, he wasn't in the original trilogy, either).

    I liked the new blood, as well. I think Rey works as a new iconic figure, although Ridley's performance didn't knock me down or anything (made me think often of Keira Knighley, with all the accent, for some reason). Now, as far as the Mary Sue thing, some skills are explainable (like DH said), others seem hamfisted indeed - I don't have issues with her talents, but it detracted a bit from relating to her as a potential new bildungsroman-like character, just like with Luke. As for the Force thing, I think the mentality of the training being essential (and long in duration) was a concept forced more by the prequels (remember the kids practicing with the ball? jesus) than the original trilogy, in which Luke himself barely had weeks to train properly with Obi-Wan, then Yoda, plus behaved constantly like the avant Harry Potter of mastering anything, really. Anyway, I'm pretty sure Rey will be revealed either as Luke's daughter or perhaps his most talented youngling, back at the academy of whatevs, for which reason Luke left her on Jakku to protect her "until the time is right", just like Anakin protected his children. There was definitely insinuation that Han knew about Rey's backstory, so there ya go. The Force is strong (or native) in her and she can unlock it bordeline deus ex - no biggie.

    Boyega was cool, although with some stereotypical lines and exclamations. I don't understand how he was the only Stormtrooper to discover a conscience and at the exact time the storyline of the movie conveniently unfolds. I also don't get how conditioned breeding/training and discovering a conscience on your own can work together.

    I definitely would like more Poe Dameron. Period.

    I grimaced a bit at the idea of hippie Driver being behind the new baddie mask, but I ended up liking Kylo Ren probably the most, mask on and off. I really liked the nice touch of the mask wearing being a thing of inner confliction, not just Vader refurbishing fan service. Thing is, Kylo Ren is almost the one character I can relate to, because of said confliction and flaws (unlike good and unwavering Rey). I kid you not, I went home after the movie thinking how will Kylo Ren evolve and improve, not how Rey or anyone else will.

    The use of Phasma was deplorable and detrimental to the movie's idea of building a strong female character in Rey, but keeping a bucket on and giving only two lines to the female character on the antagonistic side.

    I did not give two shits on General Hickup and Snoke.

    BB8 was an excellent loveable character, Chewie comeback was also good, I didn't mind 3CPO and R2D2 cameos, but neither cared a lot.
Cinematography and effects were great, just as Epig referenced, but I think you can already tell I do not judge a movie based on such competencies alone.

Finally, what I didn't get any sense of with TFA is where it can head, with Episodes VIII and IX, other than Rey's and Kylo Ren's trainings. The rest, being so much ANH-redux, felt resolved, in a way, within the movie itself, at least on short term. Long term? The neverending conflict between the good and bad forces? Yawn. Fourth Death Star incoming, I assume... The future directing names don't sound any more promising than JJ, tbh (makers of Looper and Jurassic World, respectively...? yeah not much hype there), and I think the damage is already done by TFA with the "let's stick to the old" paradigm.

Based on current excitement level and very competent refreshening , I'd say 7, but this will definitely go down to a 6 or even a 5 with time, for me personally. Originality, motherf**ker, do you speak it at all?
by Ricochet
Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:04 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Episode VII - the Force Awakens
Replies: 87
Views: 4024

Re: Episode VII - the Force Awakens

I almost forgot.

Best new gif.
by Ricochet
Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:35 am
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Episode VII - the Force Awakens
Replies: 87
Views: 4024

Re: Episode VII - the Force Awakens

Ahem
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I'm pretty sure Rey will be revealed either as Luke's daughter or perhaps his most talented youngling, back at the academy of whatevs, for which reason Luke left her on Jakku to protect her "until the time is right", just like Anakin protected his children.
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Also, Lando was a sperm donor and Finn got conceived this way. :shifty: #episodeVIIIwritingitselfwhoa
by Ricochet
Tue Dec 29, 2015 11:55 am
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Episode VII - the Force Awakens
Replies: 87
Views: 4024

Re: Episode VII - the Force Awakens

Epignosis wrote:
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We have Smash Bros. for the Wii U, and the Miiverse level enables people on the Internet to post messages during the battle, which is a horrible idea, given than it's people on the Internet.

This morning my kids were playing that level, and a message pops up:

"Han Solo dies"

:|
Welcome to the internet. Population: shitty.
by Ricochet
Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:24 am
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Episode VII - the Force Awakens
Replies: 87
Views: 4024

Re: Episode VII - the Force Awakens

Epignosis wrote:
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Inside Out > The Force Awakens. No joke.
True, but neither rank that high on my yearly list, tbh.
by Ricochet
Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:20 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Episode VII - the Force Awakens
Replies: 87
Views: 4024

Re: Episode VII - the Force Awakens

Not making a new thread for this.

My expectations for Rogue One
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The acting / characters / plot will be ech, except for maybe big boys like Mendelssohn and Madsy.
It will be too quippy (yes, I mean that robot that already makes me grimace from the movie clips alone).
It will have a pre-SW visual great vibe to it, but still go into bombastic war overdrive.
I will hate every bit of Whitaker.
Darth Vader will have no more than 5 minutes, 4 appearances and 30 words in the whole movie.
A death star will blow up, only to reveal another death star in the background.
I will eat nachos and maybe get back in touch with mah best friend to go see this.
by Ricochet
Mon Dec 19, 2016 6:57 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Episode VII - the Force Awakens
Replies: 87
Views: 4024

Re: Episode VII - the Force Awakens

Ok I've seen it, when we talking about it? Is there an embargo set here for it?
by Ricochet
Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:05 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Episode VII - the Force Awakens
Replies: 87
Views: 4024

Re: Episode VII - the Force Awakens

Golden wrote:
Ricochet wrote:Ok I've seen it, when we talking about it? Is there an embargo set here for it?
I think there is no reason to avoid discussion provided it is in spoiler tags.
Yeah, but it's no fun if I'm the only one who's ready (which is, like, barely, I've seen it two hours ago). How come Dharma doesn't have one full page already written here?!
by Ricochet
Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:11 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Episode VII - the Force Awakens
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Re: Episode VII - the Force Awakens

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Yeah, I'll try this tomorrow.
by Ricochet
Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:18 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Episode VII - the Force Awakens
Replies: 87
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Re: Episode VII - the Force Awakens

Ok, so here goes. The first quote in spoilers should be... uhm, spoilers-free, just general remaks and quite a lot of ranting, but do NOT open and read the second quote at all if you have not seen the movie and wish to remain pure at heart. Just like with TFA, I must emphasize that I am not a trekkie (oh wait, wrong Sci-FI, abort abort!) I mean SW fan(boy). I do not have a lightsaber hidden under the bed, I do not have X-, A-, P-, G-Man-Wings models on the desk, I only have a GBA cartridge of a piss-poor Episode II game, that's it. I did have my childhood moment of watching the original trilogy, which moderately worked its charm, and then I watched the prequels for cringe, when the Blu-Rays were way past their expiration date. Nowadays, I am just bound by my weakness to go see blockbuster movies from blockbuster franchises, once in a while.

Oh, and once more, I must point out the hype was so great over here, that we were barely 50 in the IMAX theatre. Four days since the movie release. XD
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So, yeah, overall, nope.

ALTHOUGH I will give you my honest raw impressions, during the viewing - I don't consider myself an intelligent or careful watcher on the spot, I process it later and/or get inspired by reading other reviews; not ashamed to admit it.

Acts 1 and 2 - zzzzz
Act 3 - whoa

That being said, the hardest thing is that I cannot argue what could have made it better. :shrug2: It seems stuck in its action-packed mission fantasy design. And it sends a signal, I think, that we should resign to the thought that we will not get standalone blockbusters, whether it's capemovies or space operas, that have engaging development, strong characters and narrative or great villains (although, in R1's case, I hardly think is the biggest fault; it was a known fact that everyone in the Empire is a hammy one-tone grandomaniac, save for the one compelling character without an actual visible expression, since he is behind a mask and a cloak).

It's just not going to happen. The franchise stakes are too high, the managerial tight grip and reshoot flubs keep happening time and again, the fan plate stuffing requirement is too demented... these things cannot breathe under the weight of their scale! Zebra is right, there is nothing really to look forward too, in terms of course-correcting this dispiriting vibe. R1 was the shot; it wasn't going to be disconnected from the lore, sure, but it could have been standalone enough on its own terms. The next anthology movies will be Han Solo, Boba Fett, Yoda, the Stormtrooper at the 1:45 mark in Episode II, Dexter Jexster, god knows what else. They'll be complete filler by sheer design! The only thing that comes to mind is Episode VIII, but only because of the likely impetus to reach for the mid-of-the-trilogy, ESB summit.

So while I think this is a Star Wars movie with a decent gritty tone, for a change, and with a climax action sequence that's worth it - which is surprising, because even here, in retrospect, we're basically served the same 40-minute long, everything blows up, kaboom stuff we've received from dozens of blockbusters in the past, ad nauseam; yet it kinda has an actual purpose and coreography - the rest comes up way too flat. And it's a shame. I'll probably go 5 out of 10 with this one, just like with TFA. I can't even debate right now if it's better than TFA. I mean, the sheer amount of nostalgic copypasta in that movie was ridiculous, but it still made me interested enough in characters like Kylo Ren, Poe or, to some extent, Rey, which is a chapter that closes real fast with R1.

Side note: This and Doctor Strange pretty much end it for me ever paying attention to the trailers any longer. It's patented bullsuit. I mean, the teaser trailer for R1 is a work of art compared to the movie.
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Now, on to more specific points:

1. I can't believe how much reshoots keep plaguing this big-cashing side of the industry. I mean, what kind of bullshit freemasonry is going on there, that all across the big firms - Disney, DC, Marvel - the same thing gets imposed, again and again? For instance, despite my prediction coming true, I don't think I can truly hate Whitaker, because I find that the reshoots have made him look worse. As a blogger I read said, his acting looks stoned and pissy at getting a call to come back and redo everything.

2. I am fairly convinced that this movie's need to be a tie in with the precise beginning of ANH is what dynamites the entire story.
It limits so much the consequence of R1's narrative to the urgency and immediacy of the Death Plans getting not in rebel hands, generally speaking, but to Leia. Anything else would have either been a far stealthier rogue infiltration experience (probably better than this?) or a rewrite of the whole original SW narrative into the last 20 minutes of ANH [rebels get plans, ergo they can go destroy the sphere] (which is wtf). So, again, I'm not sure what fixing or alternative this could have used, but it feels strangled by its vain and nerdy idea of "let's make R1 segue right into ANH".

I rewatched the first two trailers (teaser and #1) [in which, btw, 90% of the scenes do no longer exist in the movie]. Mon Mothma to Jyn: 'We've a mission for you. A major weapon test is imminent and we need to know what it is and how to destroy it.' *throws hands in the air* How is this not the movie?! Where did Galen Erso appear from, afterwards, and how the mission change to 'Please lead us to your father (so we can secretly murder him [although that wouldn't change a thing, since the Death Star is bloody complete??????)'?! The last two minutes of this movie are depressing. What the hell was Leia doing amid that Rebel offensive? Either she was exposed to dying there and basically nothing happening further on, which is illogical, or (hint: true answer) she was hamfisted for the R1 - ANH tie in, but in a way that she is hardly relevant until she appears, which is unlikely given the narrative of the original movies.

3. The big action scene has a lot of "we need to reach A and connect to B and C and D in order to miraculously pull the whole thing off", but two reasons I am not really displeased with this is because: A) the actions scenes were never the big thing in Star War movies and R1 somehow pulls a better sequence than most, if not all of them; B) the actions scenes in the other SW movies were just as plagued by the same thing: ANH was a lot of pew pew pew to achieve one goal (blowing up the Death Star); TPM was a lot of pew pew pew to achieve one goal (blowing up a Federation Ship); RotJ had the same connect-the-dots thing, as far as I remember, AND a lot of pew pew pew to achieve on goal (blow up the new Death Star); the other prequels were total clusterfucks of pointless pew pew pew. So yeah, not going to roll my eyes at an actual purposeful, if still bloated, action scene.

4. The jump between planets and scenes and people and everything, during the first 10 minutes, gave me a headache. It was literally like watching the beginning of Suicide Squad all over again. I know such transitions are not unusual for SW movies, but it was, too, boring, and, jumpeeee!!!!

5. Is this a fan film? No question about it.

6. I'll admit I dropped into the uncanny valley for a while, but only until my brain jumped in with question of how can aging or makeup possibly work this way. (Had no idea the actor was deceased). I regard this CGI gimmick as a syndrome, perhaps singular to this franchise, of not wanting to tamper or remove a hairline from the saga's symbols. Surely there were stunt actors for absolutely everyone involved in action scenes, right? And yet they couldn't find a suitable lookalike Tarkin?! Who the f in the world would care about Tarkin looking like in 1977, serious question! And changing Leia for, like, the 20 seconds she's in the movie, for sheer R1 ---------> ANH purposes, would be a sacriledge, I assume? So yeah, what pisses me off here is how much self-importance the producers and writers (and, if they applaud it, the fans as well) must give to their precious lore and iconography.

6b. On the same subject, but with the variation of "omg, only James Earl Jones could possibly voice Darth Vader", please tell me I wasn't the only one who thought his voice was completely OFF in this movie. Like, almost as if he had forgotten half of the inflexions necessary to sound like Vader. Also, the front of the suit was awkwardly wobbling, I nearly chuckled (which, if you'd know me, is basically laughing out loud).

7. I also feel that, like Whitaker, the Chinese Guy with Stick's lines were reduced (or changed) to his worst ones. That being said, his "walk" moment was a thing of majesty and character pay-off. I'm also pretty ok with the bromance with Chinese Guy with Gun not having been too banter heavy. Too bad they were underused, of course.

8. As predicted, the one with the quips was the robot, but ech, I suppose it wasn't too much for my taste. Although if you are fine with a comic relief droid, while you cannot connect with any of the humans one bit, ... pfft :shrug2: :shrug2: :shrug2:
I wrote this for three hours and I am embarrassed with myself now.
by Ricochet
Mon Jan 08, 2018 3:22 pm
Forum: Tinsel Town
Topic: Episode VII - the Force Awakens
Replies: 87
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Re: Episode VII - the Force Awakens

DharmaHelper wrote: Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:00 pm
speedchuck wrote: Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:52 am
DharmaHelper wrote: Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:50 pm After TLJ I have to say I dislike TFA significantly more.
Because you liked TLJ or because you didn't?

Because I could see it either way.
I loved The Last Jedi. TFA was "A Star Wars" movie. TLJ was a great movie that was in the Star Wars universe. I think Last Jedi will hold up more, and stands on its own more, and TFA is, as time goes on for me anyway, more of a "Hey remember how cool THIS was from the Star War"
I agree to certain extent. I prefer everything Johnson attempted to everything Abrams yielded to, in the category of "what/how a new Star Wars movie should normally be". Not that it's a difficult comparison, given that even the Rebels being chased by a giant space wiener-dog would have been preferable to TFA. I think the word "subversive" got thrown in a lot, but as a Star Wars IDGAF-er, I don't mind the bits that TLJ closed the chapter on or refused to expand upon, toy further with or give into out of sheer fan service.

Where I for one draw the line, though, goes two ways:

a) Johnson didn't go all the way through. About two-thirds in, past a crucial 'join me' moment, it reverts to Starwars-esque banality. Make no mistake, the marketing stitches still exist in the movie, the ESB / ROTJ nods exist, but it would have been nice for a cathartic, weird "burn it all" full gesture.
b) it's not a well balanced movie, it really isn't. Daring, sure, but messy all around in the process. One wouldn't normally praise a movie with three endings, plotholes or plot conveniances, a timeline implausibility rivaling that of GoT's season 7, so one shouldn't just because it's a SW movie.

So, you know, far from legendary status, but cred for its effort. I liked Hammill, Ridley was ok; Finn is officially wasted as a character; Kylo Ren remains the most compelling character imo, but even he was dragged through the most absurd amount of bait-of-switch tropes throughout the whole movie. There were some truly dreadful or dumb moments, as well, but I won't spoil into any of them.

I believe Johnson had to work with something that is sort of creatively stuck, on the whole, and might, if anything, have proven these very limitations. This movie also left me with no clue what Episode IX should even be about anymore, apart from a few unfinished confrontations, nor with any particular emotion of looking forward to, consider Abrams' return.

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