The Syndicate

Alternative.

MMbop, shwop shwop doo wop Yeah yeah

Or something.

MacDougall wrote:I'd like to nominate Matt as our first lynch candidate. He's too busy with other games anyway so we'll be doing him a favour.

Dude, I've heard you have a problem with being premature, but it's only Day 0. Don't make me get that restraining order.

MacDougall wrote:Matt I am going to make a point of tunneling you all game til you or I dead.

I, I gotta new life, you would hardly recognize me, I'm so glad
How could a person like me care for you?
I, why do I bother when you're not the one for me?
It's enough, enough

How my poor heart aches with every step you take
Every move you make, every vow you break
Every smile you fake, every claim you stake
I’ll be watching you

Friends of Floyd - Please do not lynch me

S~V~S wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I hope everyone is keen to vote MattF along with me. Floyd? Can you get your mates to help me railroad Matt on day 1?

Matt F wrote:Friends of Floyd - Please do not lynch me

So is this a joke carried from the other game, or are you two teammates, or what?

He keeps saying he's going to vote for me in this game and in Dune. Here is one of his posts in Dune:

MacDougall wrote:

sig wrote:As tricky as your question I would say.

Hang on MattF is playing.

Placeholder vote for MattF.

I think he's joking, so I'm having fun back with him. However, it's entirely possible he will tunnel me in both games until (as he states) one of us is dead. You'll have to ask him.

This is after he proposed I quit playing Mafia for three months after he flips town in another game. He flipped scum.

MacDougall wrote:

Matt F wrote:This is after he proposed I quit playing Mafia for three months after he flips town in another game. He flipped scum.

Can someone else please point out to Matt that his case on me was a far fetched serial killer case based on his interpretation of night role actions and he actually had nothing to do with me getting lynched as scum so he stops claiming he did?

Ah, but your reaction to said case got the ball moving on others thinkin' you were scum.

(Anyway, this is gettin' weird. We're spamming two games with your stalking of me)

MacDougall wrote:Also Matt that game is still currently running so talking about it in this thread is the second time you've broken site rules on that subject today.

Spreading lies gets you nowhere. If you're not informed on whether or not I broke a rule, I suggest you PM the site administrator and I guarantee you he will tell you otherwise.

Also, you brought up your agenda, and this is based on one game you've played with me, so technically, you started discussing the game before I did.

MacDougall wrote:

Matt F wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Also Matt that game is still currently running so talking about it in this thread is the second time you've broken site rules on that subject today.

Spreading lies gets you nowhere. If you're not informed on whether or not I broke a rule, I suggest you PM the site administrator and I guarantee you he will tell you otherwise.

Also, you brought up your agenda, and this is based on one game you've played with me, so technically, you started discussing the game before I did.

Vaguely referencing your meta =/= discussing the exact outcomes of a game currently in progress.

Dude, whatever man. You started this crazy "I'm gonna tunnel Matt F every single game we play", I can guarantee you I have never done something like this. Also, it takes two seconds for any player to look into the TH thread to see your outcome. It's not like it was a secret, bro. Again, you brought it up, I kindly responded.

self vote Day 1

If I'm here Night 1, then we can put this ugly business behind us and rock 'n roll. If not, just as well.

Sorry Zebra, vote stays. I was pretty caught off guard with this nonsense, but as Sorsha demonstrated, it's obviously not just Mac who feels this way. If I'm around after Day 1, legit scum hunting will begin. If not, good luck town!

I don't understand the inter-linking two games policy lynch bizness, but I'm just goin' with the flow.

FTR, I don't find Mac or Sorsha suspect because of the policy lynch bizness, I felt they were quite sincere.

Banana, which of your teammates told you to say that about me?

Derp, I don't like having four votes. Zebra said she'd change hers if I did soooo...

reywaS. Hey bud, where are your thoughts at?

I know you already switched your vote, Zebra, but I did want to point out this is brand new territory for me. I've never had someone call a policy lynch on me before, and I really haven't been sure what to post since.

But anyway, thanks for switchin'.

In case anyone is interested (without having to go check the polls thread), voters of Progressive include:

Metalmarsh, Bullzeye, Floyd, SVS, Epig, BWT

If one baddie was told this would remove them from the lynch poll, I'm willing to bet he told his team. Unless LC barred such action?

Do we suppose the civ, Mafia, and indy were told that Long Con would tell the town that "one civ, Mafia, and Indy knew at the outset?" or did our host keep that info to himself when letting these players know?

I think MacD really is going to tunnel me all game.

MacDougall wrote:

Matt F wrote:I think MacD really is going to tunnel me all game.

That's a nice attempt to devalue my opinion without referencing it.

Alright, let's reference your opinion...

MacDougall wrote:I agree here. Matt pointing this out without referencing the glaringly obvious downside to the point feels like a scum who experienced this whole conversation in btsc trying to utilise the fact to put undue suspicion on a slew of townies in one fell swoop.

I'm not aware of the other players' taste in music, so I didn't account for that when posing my question. Just trying to contribute for leads. You still trying to kill townies via policy lynch?

Golden wrote:I'd also say that... being taken off the poll is not really friendly towards any one particular faction, the way that often different options are when each faction has a person with info on the poll. Do we know people had info or are we theorising? Should we assume that, if someone had info that prog would take you off the poll, that person would be bad?

Well, we know three players had info. Whether any of those players are the ones who actually voted Progressive in the poll is unknown, so I suppose we're theorizing if any of the six players who voted progressive were also the players who were given info.

If we are to assume that yes, those three players did vote Prog because of the info given, then no, there would be a 1/6 chance that one of the players are bad, 1/6 good, and 1/6 indy. Not all bad.

I'm tired, I dunno if that made any sense.

Epignosis wrote:Being off the poll Day 1 is hardly a prize worth exposing your team over.

Also, please note the wording:

Long Con wrote:Day 1 has begun. You will be getting a PM about your new location (if you moved) within the next hour or so.

The poll will come up first. Those that voted for Prog will not be on the poll. One Civvie, one baddie, and one Indy role were told at the outset of the poll that this was a possible outcome of the Day 0 poll.

This means there were other possible outcomes.

Don't wrack your brain over this. I don't think it will get you any place.

True; you, Golden, and MacD are right that the entire team probably didn't jump on it. That is to say if they were even told, maybe LC asked the mafia with info to withhold from his teamies.

However, say two or three other players have already jumped on the Progressive vote, and you as a bad guy think "There are others on this poll now, so I won't be singled out if I vote this way." If there was a Mafia with info, I'd put him/her in the later votes. That would mean you, SVS, and BWT. But I think MM or someone has already accounted that you all are progressive folk, anyway, so there's that.

I don't know why you're asking us not to go over this info. It's only Day 1, and as nutella pointed out, Mac and me doing our useless dance is pretty much the only other thing to talk about, and I'd much rather talk about this tbh.

MacDougall wrote:Hoo boy. Matt bout to Matt. Least I have a town read on him now.

Lol

Epignosis wrote:I'm not asking you to refrain from going over anything. Do what you like.

I'm giving you a piece of advice that stems from my own opinion.

Gotcha

As requested by the Zebes, thoughts on Buglabush

BUGLABUSH wrote:Hi

Hello

BUGLABUSH wrote:I voted for a2thezebra because he bad

M'kay

I have no good thoughts... (<---waiting for Mac to snip that and make a joke) ...on Buglabush. But he seems to believe you're bad.

MacDougall wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

LoRab wrote:

Matt F wrote:Sorry Zebra, vote stays. I was pretty caught off guard with this nonsense, but as Sorsha demonstrated, it's obviously not just Mac who feels this way. If I'm around after Day 1, legit scum hunting will begin. If not, good luck town!

For all you know they're just trying to rile you up. Self voting and giving up are not helpful--certainly not if you're civie.

I really don't understand the self vote.

He doesn't appear to be riled up, so their plan isn't working.

The use of they in these two posts is unusual. I am one being.

But you and Sorsha are two beings, hence "they".

I apologize for not being a "player who disrupts the town" during this post. Resume regular Matt F persona.

MacDougall wrote:Stop with the woe is me. It isn't achieving anything if yoh are town.

I am finding playing two games of scum hunting hard because of the other players in both games. I am getting pings in one thread and accidentally bringing them to the other.

Just a little friendly ribbing.

But you're welcome for setting the record straight on "they".

a2thezebra wrote:The wow is I can't believe no one else thinks BUGLA looks remotely bad here, newbie or no newbie.

Didn't realize he was a newbie. I got tons of flak for suggesting we lynch a newbie in TH, so good luck with that!

Anywho, tired, peace out

Can't sleep, and I wanted to analyze, scrutinize, and wear out my eyes lookin' at these Prog votes. Not that anything can be done about it today anyway.
Anyway, that was fun. Time for sleep.

*sigh*

Thought I'd spare folks from having to scroll so much, but if I keep messin' up the spoiler tags like this, I may stop using 'em!

Night peeps

S~V~S wrote:Unless there is a clear reason for a zero vote, I always make deliberate votes especially in a game where I know the hosts are intense. This poll seemed rather simplistic for these hosts and I was somewhat leery of that, tbh.

I would think that if someone knew they were going to benefit, they would deliberate less. And with the exception of Bullz, I think all the Prog voters are known to like Prog. I had no info.

Per the underline - Thanks. It looked like you were being really careful with your vote, and wasn't sure if that was normal for you.

Per the italics - In that case, if you were forced to choose between the other five players who picked prog, does MM stand out to you as the first player who voted in the poll, first player who voted prog?

S~V~S wrote:No he is totally someone I would expect to vote prog. So are Epi & BWT. Lots of the people at TS came from a site called Progressive Archives. I was surprised MORE people did not vote Prog, tbh. If one stood out to me it was Bullz, but even if he had info, which he denies, not just baddies had info, so

That's interesting. Any players in specific? Players who you believe are into Prog more then any of the rest, but voted elsewhere?

Yes, sir, I did! Turned it off about halfway. It was about a minute of silence and then music I couldn't hear real well if I recall.

Matt F wrote:Yes, sir, I did! Turned it off about halfway. It was about a minute of silence and then music I couldn't hear real well if I recall.

To be clear, I did this exercise late last night, and had my computer volume turned low due to not wantin' to wake roommates up.

Linki - Oh cool. Are you a musician? I'll check it out.

NANANANANANA_BANANA wrote:I vote for Matt F because he has caused a lot of arguments for no good reason.

This doesn't make sense. Explain.

TheFloyd73 wrote:Matt F, I'm perplexed by your vote for yourself and the statements you're making in both threads.

What statements are you referring to and how are you perplexed by them?

S~V~S wrote:Matt if you had not already tossed your vote, who would you vote for now.

I think the vote is changeable so I can still change it before deadline if I want.

If you mean between the leading candidates, the two noobs or Dom, I'd say Banana.

In general, not sure yet.

Also, SVS, I think you may have missed my post...

Matt F wrote:

S~V~S wrote:No he is totally someone I would expect to vote prog. So are Epi & BWT. Lots of the people at TS came from a site called Progressive Archives. I was surprised MORE people did not vote Prog, tbh. If one stood out to me it was Bullz, but even if he had info, which he denies, not just baddies had info, so

That's interesting. Any players in specific? Players who you believe are into Prog more then any of the rest, but voted elsewhere?

RIP Banana

Voting Paper

Okay Mac cover your eyes because...here...we...go...

At the time of nutella's vote, all three top contenders (Bug, Dom, Nana) had four votes a piece, yet she voted for Sorsha. The whole exchange between nutella and sorsha after nutella's vote was quite curious...because there was none.

6:29 PM

nutella wrote:Hmm, Dom suspects Sorsha, apparently because of her easy vote for him? I have to vote quite soon so I will look over that exchange and perhaps vote for either Sorsha or Buglabush. Feels like a really weak day 1 vote all around, I hope we get lucky.

6:37 PM

nutella wrote:Okay, I'm voting for Sorsha. Her early comments on Matt/Mac are confusing, and it looks like she tagged onto the Dom ping as an easy excuse not to vote for Matt or Mac (because she said she would if "nothing else came up"). She hedged around any actual reasoning for following Epi's lead. Now That's What I Call Opportunistic™!

After contributing throughout the Day phase with her thoughts, it takes a span of eight minutes for nutella to suddenly throw a vote on Sorsha, avoiding completely the 4-4-4 tie between Bug, Dom, and Nana.

Her next post, a minute later, says this

nutella wrote:Voted for Sorsha.

The Bubbles catch is interesting indeed. I don't feel like it merits a vote yet -- I'd like to see her response first.

In the same post saying she'd like a response from Bubbles first, she votes Sorsha. I think it's weird because during that eight minute window, nutella never asked or gave Sorsha a chance to respond.

But THAT'S okay, because there's still 22 minutes left in the poll. So Sorsha can still respond and maybe get nutella to put her vote where it matters! Right?

Here are Sorsha's posts after nutella votes her literally out of nowhere

6:40 PM (3 Minutes after nutella's vote on Sorsha)

Sorsha wrote:I could also go for a BUG lynch, wasn't fond of his comment to zebra mostly. Also if he's getting tips from Floyd or some bad btsc partner he could just be playing the noob card, it worked for quite a while when Floyd did it and was bad. If Dom is going to be around and contribute like he is now I would likely think better of him. I'm also reminded of his play in the gentlemans guide game when he was a low laying baddie who ended up winning.

6:48 PM (11 Minutes after nutella's vote on Sorsha)

Sorsha wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I could also go for a BUG lynch, wasn't fond of his comment to zebra mostly. Also if he's getting tips from Floyd or some bad btsc partner he could just be playing the noob card, it worked for quite a while when Floyd did it and was bad. If Dom is going to be around and contribute like he is now I would likely think better of him. I'm also reminded of his play in the gentlemans guide game when he was a low laying baddie who ended up winning.

Can this opinion become unanimous please? I don't see how it isn't obvious that that's what's going on.

I guess I still just feel bad voting a new player out on the first day....

So...

At the time of nutella's vote, the top three contenders (Bug, Dom, Nana) are tied at 4-4-4. Nutella, after contributing throughout the day, within an 8 minute timespan, throws her vote on Sorsha and completely avoids being a tiebreaker. Same post she votes for Sorsha, she makes an ironic statement about waiting for a response from Bubbles before placing a vote on her.

Then, the two posts that Sorsha make following nutella's vote...do not address the vote on her, do not address nutella. I would think nutella's vote would merit a reaction, something, even to say "Seriously? Put your vote where it matters", but nothing.

Thanks nutella, just woke up will respond in a bit.

Sorsha?

HamburgerBoy wrote:Looks like we were cut entirely from it.

I knew i should've picked scissors.

Zebra's Banana connections post:

Agree on juliet. Don't know about sig. Canuckle's vote waaaas interesting.

Now to Elohcin. She could very well be bad, but I also believed Banana's vote to be "false, weird, and suspicious". In fact, I had an inkling that maybe Floyd had told Banana about the TH game because NOWHERE in this game had I started an argument yet. I even make a post referencing that I believe Banana has help...

Matt F wrote:Banana, which of your teammates told you to say that about me?

As for SVS, I find that in nearly every game I play with her, just like Bullz I think she's bad. I troll her hard. So I dunno. But I do agree with Epi that when I used to play back in the day, no way no how was SVS voting for a noob on day one. But let's remember, if she wanted to make a difference in the poll, it was between two noobs or Epi's "You're bad" case against Dom (I'll have to reread that entire interaction between them but at the time, I didn't really follow where Epi was going).

As for Dom, I don't know how you can call him a civvie, but I do agree that his vote was self preservation so no reason to look at him for that.

a2thezebra wrote:nutella, explain to me what you mean by "pseudo-random" and then tell me why she shouldn't be my number one suspect. I have played with her before and granted, it's been a while, but I am familiar enough with her meta to understand how lightheartedly she plays, which is why I made clear that if her throwaway vote was on a throwaway candidate, or even herself, I could understand. But Banana, after two votes at that point? Hell no. That is inexcusable.

Per the underline, i find it interesting you say that because...

a2thezebra wrote:I believe that a self-vote is a mortal sin in any mafia game.

Explain?

I have more to catch up on, I'll be back in a bit.

TheFloyd73 wrote:I agree with Zebra's observations on the voters on Banana. Canuckle and Elo's reasons are extremely poor and unexplanitory. If those two could give a more in depth reason behind their vote, it would be greatly appreciated.

This has got to be the most input I've ever seen Floyd put into the game of Mafia. So obviously he's being coached. Just kidding, Floyd!

However, I do have a question for you Floyd. You invited your friends to play in this game, yet you voted for Bug on Day 1. Why?

MacDougall wrote:It's a list of scum reads I have that I mixed up between the games because it was late and I'd been trying hard to follow two games, so fucking sue me.

You may have already done this in the other game, haven't checked yet, but could you clarify who you think is bad in this game from that list you gave? I'm guessing Dom and SVS still. Also Floyd?

nutella wrote:@Matt- you might be reading some things into my timing. I couldn't stick around for the last 20 minutes of the vote, I had to get going and was feeling some time pressure. I saw the mention of Sorsha, and looked through her posts, and it really shouldn't surprise you that that took less than eight minutes, since she had so few. But even in those few minutes I saw some odd inconsistencies in her post history that were enough to merit a vote. I do remember there being a tie at the time but I didn't feel like I had any reason to vote for or against any of those people and decided to let it play out, see who would try to save whom. So then I voted for Sorsha right after posting that second post, and then *after* voting I saw the point on Bubbles, and I wanted to wait until I heard back from her and obviously wasn't going to switch my vote then and there, I just thought it was a point worth remarking on.

Hope that clears it up for you. It is quite odd that Sorsha never acknowledged my suspicion of her.

Don't get me wrong, it wasn't just your vote for her. It was Sorsha's complete disregard to said vote that got me pinged on this whole thing. I find it curious that some players have looked at you for my case here, but nothing to say about Sorsha. And yes that is odd.

MacDougall wrote:Since I am town and you won't succeed in lynching me no matter how hard you try.

Interesting that you go with this. You realize, if you're being truthful, the mafia will kill you now the first chance they get.

Dom wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:What are you seeing with nutella?

I think Matt F's case against her was well thought out and doesn't look all that great for her.

What about Sorsha? I found Sorsha's ignoring of said vote to be very interesting.

Bullzeye wrote:

sig wrote:First off I don't find Timmers death strange at all. The mafia team is currently killing low poster/lurkers he made almost no posts so nothing to trace back to the mafia team. This reminds me of SVS strategy in Frisky Dingo but that is quite a common mafia strategy so it probably nothing. But it was worth noting.

Besides that I would be willing to lynch Canucklehead right know but it appears she is off the poll.
@BUGLABUSH current thoughts on the game?

The phrasing of this post bothers me... There's been one mafia kill all game, so how can you say what they're 'currently' doing? One point isn't even a line, let alone a pattern. It makes it sound to me like you know what the mafia's current plan is.

That's interesting, Bullz.

LoRab wrote:@matt: claiming a role says nothing about what team he is on, and as there is more than one role he could be referring to, it says nothing about if he is civ or not. He could be threatening us with wasting a lynch to get focus away from him.

That was my immediate thought.

In TH, 3J Jimmy Jay (who btw has broken the posting record for a single game in TH, I believe) said at one point that Mafia at RYM (RateYourMusic website) probably wouldn't exist if it wasn't for MacD, which leads me to believe that Mac is an expert, at the very least experienced player.

Taking that in consideration, I don't know why he would post what he did since he should know that saying such a thing can get you killed in a split second.

Also, he claimed to be town in that same post, re: "claiming a role says nothing about what team he is on"

sig, I always think Bullz is bad but I'm not really feeling this debate between you guys. I can see Bullz point but then he loses me when he starts accusing HB, sooo.

As for Zebra, did you ever get back to me on this post, Zebra? If so I apologize but I can't seem to find it...

Matt F wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:nutella, explain to me what you mean by "pseudo-random" and then tell me why she shouldn't be my number one suspect. I have played with her before and granted, it's been a while, but I am familiar enough with her meta to understand how lightheartedly she plays, which is why I made clear that if her throwaway vote was on a throwaway candidate, or even herself, I could understand. But Banana, after two votes at that point? Hell no. That is inexcusable.

Per the underline, i find it interesting you say that because...

a2thezebra wrote:I believe that a self-vote is a mortal sin in any mafia game.

Explain?

MacDougall wrote:Voting Epi. Pretty sure he is scum.

Lol

I think at this point you're just having fun.

LoRab wrote:and I've taken a painkiller, so I should probably quit posting for the night.

I think LoRab posting on meds would be awesome.

S~V~S wrote:If it was not a forced scenario like that, I probably would not vote for the nub. But it was a tie vote,and making a tangent vote at that point is lame.

Knowing that nutella made a tangent vote at a time when the leading candidates were at 4-4-4...what are your thoughts? (or have you already shared?)

nutella wrote:SVS, I think I've explained why I decided not to vote for Bug. One or two people, I forget who, had concluded that he looked more like a loner civ than a baddie and I agreed. I realized that it was just another Day 1 bandwagon on a low poster who didn't actually look like a baddie for any particular reason, and besides, I found that I was more suspicious of Sorsha than anyone. Since I had no investment in the tie, I wanted to let it play out and see who *did* break it, and meanwhile preferred to vote for my own highest suspect at the time.

Is she still on your suspect list?

Golden wrote:I don't think Sig is a good choice for the lynch, I think his bandwagon has come together too easily, and I would probably use my vote in his defence if needed. I am not really sure how he stands at 5 votes.

I was thinking of joining you with nutella. SVS' comments regarding the situation are leading me in that direction after my initial suspicion. Gonna placehold on nutella for now.

Linki - Zebees, what do you think of nute?

Sorsha wrote:I wasn't particularly suspicious of Nutella for voting me yesterday, at the time the only thing that pinged me was it kind of being a throw away vote when there was a heated race going on.

SVS- how good of a judge do you think you are of Nutella based on past games?

Same question to Matt and golden.

My experience with her is limited. In my first game ever, she was my baddie teammate and was lynched Day one, I think. Other then that, I can't remember any games I played with her (I would like to emphasize that this is my second game after a two year hiatus, as well)

So, to answer your question, a poor judge I guess.

I know the hosts requested us not to refer to other games, but regarding Mac and his "not being here", I feel I should say that he hasn't been posting in other threads, either.

Why I'm defending Mac? Beats me.