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Good point.Dom wrote:Are we going to Endor or the Forest Moon of Enor?
Endor is a gas giant, the place they go in the movie is one of its moons.Sorsha wrote:Aren't they the same thing?
You're not wrong, Glorfindel, this is an unusually heated Day 1, and I haven't been able to follow along just yet either. I will have no access to Mafia again until after the poll ends, and I haven't been able to immerse myself in the ongoing saga here, so I'll just vote BR because she's busy hosting another game.Glorfindel wrote:I've got to tell you guys, I feel so far out of my depth right now. From my limited experience, what passes for evidence this early on in Mafia games is often little more than a combination of bravado and overactive imagination. All I can see is some particularly harsh accusations being thrown around by some VERY enthusiastic players. I have been around long enough not to mistake aggressiveness in these games with Mafia guilt so a couple of feuding prominent players (at this stage of the game) doesn't convince me that one is necessarily Mafia. From what I've read, Golden seems to make a lot of sense to me...
Like I said, I'm having a lot of trouble trying to follow you guys...
Black Rock wrote: I was just going to look for his vote post because I noticed he voted my way. Rude! I am barely hosting. I'm more of the fill in when LC is busy.
Gun to head, this post is a cop out. Not very town-like.
Re: Enrique, not really, it was just a tone thing. However now that I realize he misrepresented one of your posts I'm feeling more uneasy about him.MovingPictures07 wrote:DFaraday, why does Enrique's defense feel sincere; can you point to a specific post or posts for me?DFaraday wrote:Black Rock wrote: I was just going to look for his vote post because I noticed he voted my way. Rude! I am barely hosting. I'm more of the fill in when LC is busy.
Gun to head, this post is a cop out. Not very town-like.
Sorry BR! I just needed to vote somewhere, and I know self-voting is looked down on a lot more than it used to be.
I've pretty much caught up (but with a ton of skimming because y'all are insanely verbose), and Bcornett caught my eye for his suspicion of Golden, which didn't make sense to me. He did come around, but it still felt a bit weird to me to single out Golden that way. Golden, Zebra, and MP are reading as town to me, but I ten to see high posters as civvie in general.
Enrique could be indy, given his early comments, but his defense feels sincere to me.
Oh, and Savage questioning Simon about Boba Fett caught my attention too. Why wouldn't we want to find an SK?
Bubbles saying she would have voted Matt after the fact pings me.
Also, why re: Bubbles?
When you get bandwagoned to death for no apparent reason and flip civ, yes, just like that.Roxy wrote:Kind of like your vote for me, right DF?DFaraday wrote:RIP Bass. I think the Bass voters will be a good place to start, especially since the votes started piling onto him with hardly any discussion.
I agree, I find the Bass voters more suspicious than the Enrique voters. In particular Simon, who offered no reason, and Ninja, who had not mentioned Bass at all prior to her vote post. In addition, both of those votes came once Bass was already taking votes, making them seem particularly opportunistic.bcornett24 wrote:@mm
I have read over bass's posts and i honestly can't tell you why he was lynched let alone had a single vote. Here is the post history for Bass_the_Clever. As I had previously stated I could not recall why he was considered to be suspicious therefore I placed my vote on Enrique instead. I am not sure how this made me your number one suspect. In fact, that is as suspicious as bass's Lynch. 6 players voted for bass. Of those the only player only zebra seems to have provided a reason in her ISO which basically stated that her suspicions were based on lack of content/participation.
They probably shouldn't have, but if it came to it I would rather lose a game than contribute to driving someone away from Mafia.MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't feel as though either Roxy or Glorfindel's comments regarding that matter should have taken place in the thread, so I don't like that they are impacting people's votes.a2thezebra wrote:Honestly, like with Roxy I don't think I'm in a place to contribute to a lynch of Glorfindel. I was the one who made him openly reluctant to play another game on this site for crying out loud. It just doesn't feel right.MovingPictures07 wrote:So you'd rather lynch all of those players beneath Glorfindel before him? Why?
Simon and Ninja, for their ultra-bandwagony Bass votes, Glorfindel (because of his Russ vote and his reactions lately), and a little bit Savage. All of these are lower on my suspicion list than Roxy and Bubbles though.MovingPictures07 wrote:Fair enough, I understand that.DFaraday wrote:They probably shouldn't have, but if it came to it I would rather lose a game than contribute to driving someone away from Mafia.MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't feel as though either Roxy or Glorfindel's comments regarding that matter should have taken place in the thread, so I don't like that they are impacting people's votes.a2thezebra wrote:Honestly, like with Roxy I don't think I'm in a place to contribute to a lynch of Glorfindel. I was the one who made him openly reluctant to play another game on this site for crying out loud. It just doesn't feel right.MovingPictures07 wrote:So you'd rather lynch all of those players beneath Glorfindel before him? Why?
For the record, I do still suspect Roxy.
Who else do you suspect?
AFAIK, there are no banners for Gentleman's Guide.Metalmarsh89 wrote:DF! You're missing a Host Banner in your signature.DFaraday wrote:DrWilgy, wherever you are, are you suspicious of me? If so, why?
In addition, Indy win conditions vary, but the most common are variations on last man standing, and Indies who just need to survive to the end.a2thezebra wrote:Indie is short for "Independent" role, meaning a player(s) that is only aligned with themselves, neither town, nor scum. So in this case we've already lynched the primary indie (Bobba Fett) but there also the small indie factions, the Tusken Raiders and Jawas.
Sorry, you would be fine with lynching me just because of some vague pings you have? I'd at least like to know what it is that's pinging you.DrWilgy wrote:I haven't been here lol, shoot me if you wanna. I got caught up right as turkey day festivities began... Plus I'm still at work. Grumbe grumble 14 hour shifts grumble.sig wrote:Why Dfaraday? I see he is on your list but not why that is?Roxy wrote:Shit out of my ass? Your 8 year old is going to read that. its a nasty, disgusting way to describe it you could have said "out of thin air".
But tbh idc what you think of my list - I did provide reasoning when asked - I like to play my own way and really detest being told how to play. Tough shit if you do not like how I listed my suspicions. Everyone is entitled to their opinions.
Cfd to DFaraday
I do agree something seems slightly off with Wilgy this phase.
I would actually be ok with Dfaraday lynch, those curiosities towards him have shifted into pings and suspicions in my head. Maybe I should reread him... I'm kinda teetering on the Enrique lynch. I would like to know what Enrique thinks poison rulings are, if there are any, before I place a vote on him.
I don't think you sound disingenuous, although I do find your continual Russ votes baffling. And people routinely say far, far worse things to each other in every Mafia game than your smelling a rat comment, so I wouldn't worry too much about that.Glorfindel wrote:Nobody wants my vote in this poll? Have I become THAT much of a pariah amongst you all?
On top of that, a number of you have now described me as 'disingenuous'. The dictionary meaning of that word is "not candid or sincere, typically pretending that one knows less about something than one really does". And that isn't insulting? I'm really starting to look forward more and more to the end of this game...
I like Indys, in general I think they're not a problem. But Matt wasn't just an Indy, he was practically an SK. Everyone should want to get out a character who can and will kill anyone else. I think it's seen as a victory to lynch an SK, and Bubbles coming in and saying "I would have helped" feels ingratiating to me. At the very least, it seems as if she wants to blend with the crowd vote on that occasion.DrWilgy wrote: This is what pinged me, how does Bubbles make herself look good by saying "I woulda" on an independent? I would understand the suspicion on her if she "I woulda" -d on Bcornett, but an "I woulda" on a indy doesn't make herself look good, or even distance her from a team. Your suspicion on her feels not genuine.
Also, do explain why her vote for Zebra didn't sit well with you.
I noticed that you asked previous about my suspicion on you... I don't remember answering or not, but If I missed it and waited until now, I'm sorry bout that.
I think that was the only sensible thing for her to say, given that she had already said she didn't think he was bad.DrWilgy wrote:What are your thoughts on her saying that she wouldn't have voted for Enrique?DFaraday wrote:I like Indys, in general I think they're not a problem. But Matt wasn't just an Indy, he was practically an SK. Everyone should want to get out a character who can and will kill anyone else. I think it's seen as a victory to lynch an SK, and Bubbles coming in and saying "I would have helped" feels ingratiating to me. At the very least, it seems as if she wants to blend with the crowd vote on that occasion.DrWilgy wrote: This is what pinged me, how does Bubbles make herself look good by saying "I woulda" on an independent? I would understand the suspicion on her if she "I woulda" -d on Bcornett, but an "I woulda" on a indy doesn't make herself look good, or even distance her from a team. Your suspicion on her feels not genuine.
Also, do explain why her vote for Zebra didn't sit well with you.
I noticed that you asked previous about my suspicion on you... I don't remember answering or not, but If I missed it and waited until now, I'm sorry bout that.
I think Zebra is civ, so anyone's Zebra votes don't sit well with me. In Bubble's case, it was compounded by her Matt comment.
P.S. Thanks for the vote Bubbles.
Roxy wrote: DFaraday - I am suspicious of you bc you are playing a game that I am not used to seeing from you. It is NOT blendy. Which troubles me greatly. You have provided original thoughts and suspicions which is so far out of the norm for you that I have this feeling about you. You are bad. Maybe indy but I feel its more likely that you are bad.
I'm not broke. The way I figure is, if I lose I'm out more money, and if I win, I'll be drawing attention to myself. Either way, I'm not really interested.DrWilgy wrote:I have reason to believe Dfaraday is broke, and we shouldbe suspish of him for it.
Lol rafing Wilgy fell asleep
This is far from the only game in which I have ever expressed original thoughts. I'm sorry you view my gameplay that way, but anyone can attest that I often follow my own leads, I'm just not vocal about it.Roxy wrote:It is just very strange that you now change your game style after years of playing blendy. It pinged me and you responded. Your response, however, pings me again bc you say "I'm really not a threat to anyone in this game" - sounds like an Indy.DFaraday wrote:Roxy wrote: DFaraday - I am suspicious of you bc you are playing a game that I am not used to seeing from you. It is NOT blendy. Which troubles me greatly. You have provided original thoughts and suspicions which is so far out of the norm for you that I have this feeling about you. You are bad. Maybe indy but I feel its more likely that you are bad.
Sweet Christmas, I just can't win. I get lynched in 90% of the games I'm in for being blendy, and now I'm being suspected for having original thoughts?
I don't know what to say other than to assure you assure you that I am not bad. Even with posting original thoughts, I'm really not a threat to anyone in this game.
Some people do. I've been accused of being too blendy and not blendy enough in this game.Matt wrote:
Linki - DFaraday what up!! I mentioned you earlier and asked what everyone thought of you, but nobody wanted to play that game
Beatles Forever, my friend. Your awesome game is why everyone has to tolerate my ass haha
Bullzeye wrote:This attitude is especially annoying when there are 14+ pages almost entirely dedicated to an argument between two players that has literally no benefit to anybody. I'd rather be criticised for being too quiet than actively be flooding the thread with meaningless BS that makes it hard for other people to keep up with the game.Dom wrote:
"Already formed train on Mac?"
BS. Me and Golden are the only two votes on him. You are exaggerating big time. I'm exhausted from playing this game because it used to be fun and now it's turned into "if you don't post 400+ times, you're bad or a bad player" and I'm done with it.
sig wrote: Know this is just guesswork, but the Emperor (non BTSC and not responsible for submitting kill) could be active this means out of the other three Stormtrooper, Vader, and Grand Moff whoever was responsible for the kill was inactive. No planet have been exploded, but they could just be waiting. So I've seen a few set ups, either a specific player must submit there kill, any mafia member, or instead of using an ability the mafia kills. The third fits my theory the best. This could mean all three members are MIA or at least missed night 2. In theory if someone else was poisoned Vader could be a poisoner and decided to poison instead of kill. However, what is Vader known for? Force Choke so I'm thinking he has an enforcing/silencing ability.
IF it is silencing well no one has been silenced leading me to think Vader is still inactive. While Stormtrooper/Grand Moff is our killer this time.
These suppositions about the Empire felt a little out of the blue and seem to infer a lot (eg. Vader being a silencer, Emperor not submitting the kill, inactive team). It's not unusual for players to hypothesize about their own role/team in-thread, so it's a possibility that could be the case here.sig wrote:Since I don't learn my lesson I'm going to say the same thing I did in LC game. :P
It could be either the Empire is among top poster, Macs idea which has some credence, or they are targeting low posters to not leave a trail. They need them to be dead anyway andSavage was posting enough he wasn't in danger of being Mod killed. They need these players dead and at this point if a high poster is killed and they so much as mentioned a member of their team said team mate could be lynched. Something especially if it is just one or two active players they would no doubt be trying to avoid. We could also have a less experienced mafia player directing the kills, though this would eliminate the Matt/Bass theory.
Glorfindel wrote:I'm sorry but an assertion like this is borderline absurd. I've yet to play in a Mafia game yet where this happened. This is without much doubt one of the lamest attempts at diverting attention to somewhat hapless new players I've seen. Sure, we're a little disoriented playing with people and rules with which we are largely unfamiliar and it's easy to make us look guilty. I'd be really surprised if any of the experienced non-Mafia players here would take any of this seriously and further, it REALLY does little for the credibility of the person making such assertions.Dragon D. Luffy wrote:So that brings me to my next point. Elo said yesterday she believed most mafiosos were among lurkers.bcornett24 wrote:You have votes from Dom (5), Roxy (7), Glorfindel (13), Dragon D. Luffy (14), nijuukyugou (15), Golden (18), Sorsha (22) as of right now.
Of those only 2 have actually read the thread. There has been little to no activity from Dom (5), Roxy (7), Glorfindel (13), nijuukyugou (15), or Sorsha (22).
Given his attitude re: low posters, this bit is interesting:Glorfindel wrote: I suspect my friend that we may be well on the road to common ground here. I do appreciate your point about inactive players 'lurking' but from my experience, if inactive newbie players are drawn Mafia (I thought someone said in the sign-up thread that doesn't usually happen here) they end up slipping up themselves sooner or later. What I think should be a higher priority is:
a) those experienced players that suddenly drop off the radar (unfortunately, I've no experience from playing with all but one of you so in so far as this category is concerned, I've got nothin') and
b) those players that post a lot about their suspicions and make extensive commentary about players. I personally see that as subtle manipulation of the vote and an experienced player in that position represents to me, a clear and present danger.
It sounds a bit like deflecting towards the low posters he was previously standing up for.Glorfindel wrote:You call that a thought? A comedy routine more likely. Just how pray tell is my tone suspicious? And MY Day 2 vote stinks? At least I made one which is more than I can say for a lot of players this game and yet you target me? Again? My vote wasn't on one of our power roles nor was it on what is looking to me like an increasingly Town-looking Enrique... I expect we'll find out soon enough then. You don't know that Russtifinko isn't non-Town (whatever they're called) so for you to criticise my vote just makes you look like you're grasping at straws and pretty transparently at that...MovingPictures07 wrote:Not a good result. RIP Bass.
I've skimmed quickly. Don't have time for a detailed catchup this morning.
For now, I have the following thoughts:
1) Glorfindel, you're suspicious based on tone as well as the lack of thoughts you espew. Also, your Day 2 vote stinks
His posts this game have tended to be vague and noncommittal. I haven't gone back to check, but I also can't remember Dom really suspecting anyone beyond throwing an eye their way.MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, DF, what reminds you of Gentlemen's Guide, re: Dom, specifically?
Hmm, you're right, I totally missed that. It doesn't necessarily clear MP, though, it would just mean Leia thinks he's civ.MacDougall wrote:"Having experienced many political, martial, and interpersonal scenarios, Leia Organa can use any non-secret Rebel Alliance action once."DFaraday wrote:Ackbar was the civvie lynch switch, and I find it unlikely that there would be two civvies who could do that. Therefore, I believe this was more likely to be the work of baddies (Palpatine?), and I don't see why a baddie team would use a lynch switch to save someone not on their team, just to frame that same person. The obvious explanation is that MP is bad and his team saved him.
I still suspect Daisy, but I think she was right about this, at least.
Come to think of it, if Leia is alive then it's getting to the point where she'd have to start using the more random roles.
Tbh it's more likely it was was Leia than the bad guys. At least we know for sure that Leia can do that.
In recent games I've made it a point not to follow bandwagons unless I was legitimately convinced by whatever case is made on the top vote getter. That's why my votes are so often apart from the group. I wasn't convinced enough about Enrique to vote him (and I don't really recall how I felt about bcornett, but I guess my suspicion of him wasn't that strong at that point.Matt wrote:Sooooo
What does everyone think of DFaraday?
Just ISO'd him after Roxy had him on her sus list. On day 2, when Bass and Enrique were tied at 5 votes a piece, DFaraday puts a third vote on Roxy (a civ). The day bcornett was lynched, DF throws his vote on Bubbles (despite sussing BCornett way earlier in the game for an interaction he had with Golden. Which by the way, I don't think DF ever brings up again). The day Enrique is officially lynched, DF puts his vote on Simon (a civ). Helped lynch Simon a day later.
I dunno. Someone else ISO this guy and look at his poll records, what do you think?
Seriously. Daisy is obviously bad, and I'm not. I just want to live. I want to LIVE, Marge! WON'T YOU LET ME LIVE?MovingPictures07 wrote:LOL, self-preservation fail by me again. Why are you people voting for DFaraday over GlorfinDaisy?
I was at work and couldn't vote (it took me like five minutes just to make that post on my Luddite phone). Now I can and will *vote MP*a2thezebra wrote:So vote for MP. Save yourself and lynch someone you and others find highly suspicious. What's holding you back?DFaraday wrote:I wasn't particularly suspicious of any of the guys who just jumped on my bandwagon, but it's so blatant that one of them's got to be a teammate of MP or Daisy.
They can't because there is none. Roxy was suspicious of me for vague reasons (she was also suspicious of half a dozen other people), so other people think she must have tracked me (but not the other half dozen people, I guess). And Matt thinks I'm suspicious for not voting Enrique...or something.Canucklehead wrote:Also, can someone please tell me what the case against dfaraday is??
It also makes sense for anyone who doesn't want to die.MacDougall wrote:DFaraday self preserve voting MP to put him in a clear lead, over SpaceDaisy which would have made a 3 way tie, does make sense for them as teammates.
Spacedaisy wrote:It was clearly a bad idea to be absent from the thread for so long, I was not at all anticipating that I would nearly be lynched. Sorry guys, I'm transitioning to a new position at my job. It's been stressful, to say the least. I'm glad to have survived. DF you have said I was clearly bad, is this based on me or on Glorfindel, or both?
MacDougall wrote:I had just written this post before DFaraday's vote, but I will post it anyway... The vote sort of makes me second guess it but we will see...
Verrrrrrrrrrry good question.a2thezebra wrote:So vote for MP. Save yourself and lynch someone you and others find highly suspicious. What's holding you back?DFaraday wrote:I wasn't particularly suspicious of any of the guys who just jumped on my bandwagon, but it's so blatant that one of them's got to be a teammate of MP or Daisy.
As I explained, I was at work and couldn't vote earlier.
Earlier I made the observation that MP's initial counterwagon was Faraday, and Elohcin and Llama came in and shifted the counterwagon off Faraday and onto SpaceDaisy, albeit briefly.
If there was a counterwagon to save MP, wouldn't it follow that one or more of the early voters on me is likely to be MP's teammate?
As we know MP already put SpaceDaisy forward as his requested lynch candidate.
When he came in and observed that Faraday was being made into a viable lynch candidate he made this "joke post".
Followed a little later by this.MovingPictures07 wrote:LOL, self-preservation fail by me again. Why are you people voting for DFaraday over GlorfinDaisy?
MP is cleverly trying to avoid putting his teammate up as his counterwagon.MovingPictures07 wrote:See, a Simpsons reference? This guy deserves to live.DFaraday wrote:Seriously. Daisy is obviously bad, and I'm not. I just want to live. I want to LIVE, Marge! WON'T YOU LET ME LIVE?MovingPictures07 wrote:LOL, self-preservation fail by me again. Why are you people voting for DFaraday over GlorfinDaisy?
I know it can easily be read as WIFOM, but I really doubt MP would be that obvious about defending a teammate in thread. Especially since I know firsthand that MP is willing to bus or be bussed when part of a baddie team.
His "jokey" attempts to relax pressure on a viable lynch candidate in DFaraday are in contrast to his previous thoughts. Yes he put DFaraday as a green skittle in his reads lists recently, but his actual content around that doesn't ally with him doing even that, let alone this.
For instance:
He himself states that in light of the Roxy flip DFaraday looks the most likely to have been tracked doing the bad thing. He subsequently claims he's going to ISO DFaraday, but we receive no result of it aside from this.MovingPictures07 wrote:DFaraday definitely seems like the most likely tracked result if there were any, especially since her suspicion of DFaraday in-thread was essentially that he was changing up his style, but zebra is a possibility as well, probably 2nd place. Dom is my 3rd guess. Again, if she even had any results to share.Golden wrote:I think the Roxy/Eloh stuff felt more like style clash and less game related.
The number of negative mentions of DF and zebra stand out to me, though.
Why would he just randomly call attention to a teammate like that?
For a player who was effectively unanimously lynched yesterday, this is very strange. He goes from having a valid reason to suspect DFaraday in light of the Roxy flip. Half asses an ISO on him, and there is no connection from that to his subsequent reading of him as town in a reads list, right through to now "jokingly" trying to not get him lynched as MPs replacement lynch.MovingPictures07 wrote:This DFaraday ISO is boring.
Not really. All he said was that I seemed like the most likely to have been tracked based on Roxy's comments. It had nothing to do with anything I said, so it stands to reason that he could read my posts and apparently find them pedestrian.
Here's how SpaceDaisy was bumped ahead of DFaraday for that fleeting moment.
Why are Elohcin, DFaraday and Llama all on the same page?thellama73 wrote:Okay, let's do that.Elohcin wrote:Derp, Zebra isn't even on the poll, Llama! I guess I am voting Daisy today.DFaraday wrote:I would probably vote Zebra if I didn't have to hold onto my vote for self-preservation (and if Zebra were on the poll). I think Canuck's case was excellent. GlorfinDaisy is right up there though.
This is the post where I feel like Elohcin is the one of the four that is actually not part of the shell game.
It sure looks like a heavy case of buddying from Llama to Elo here. Elo looks like a patsy.thellama73 wrote:Yay! You are a true friend, Elohcin.Elohcin wrote:me!Canucklehead wrote:This game has devolved into nonsense, I see. Are there any sane people left?
I will vote for Zebra again or SD
Eh, maybe Llama's bad.
The above is a post where Llama declares that NAY he will not be voting for MP, and apparently would be okay with a DF lynch. But in no time flat Elo comes in and gives him a better alternative in SpaceDaisy. I don't think that was by design, I think that Elo unwittingly gave DFaraday and Llama the numbers to turn the SpaceDaisy wagon into a viable one.thellama73 wrote:I will not vote for my friend, MP, so I have to choose another. I would love to vote for Zebra again, but if DFaraday is the second choice, I may pile on there to stop this madness. Who's with me?
I strongly believe that DFaraday and MP are on the same team. Whether Llama is being honest in his assessment I am less sure of but he looks likely to also be in an alliance with them.
I am not in alliance with either of them. Also, I just realized that this entire post against me is based entirely off of what other people have said in relation to me, without anything that I said even discussed.
