The Syndicate

Game started just as I was about to go to bed Oh well, see you tomorrow guys.

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Hi all!!

Brand new here, first game so don't be too rough on me yet.

ika-Hi, How's it going? How do you think voting for me will help sort me?

That said, I've gotta read the game and the set-up again so...........I'll be back when I've done that.

It got your attention so we can talk.

what about the setup do you not understand

I believe she just had to read it again to remember correctly. I know I had to read all of it 3 times before I could remember all the roles. Welcome Silverwolf

Why do we want to trigger the traitors? Can´t we just hunt for baddies? I don´t see why its beneficial

ika wrote:

Sloonei wrote:snip

What is the point of asking silverworlf, or any player at all, if they are town? Also if silverwolf is the player you feel you can read the best, why are you focusing so much on her? Shouldn't you work on the players you can't read so well?

Reactoins, reads, what they say. I mean theres like endless reasons to ask it in general. To undertsand ym you first need to knwo i need a person i can talk to and trust. silver is the only person here i knwo and i can read acurately. So if shes scum i push her hard to get her lynched. If shes town we have the ultimate syagery and can decimate scums.

Players i cant read so well (aka everyone else) im not trying to sort on a day 1 phase. it would be more around mid/late day 2/day 3 where i try to do so[/quote]

What are you going to do if Silverwolf appears to you as town? Who are you going to vote for today if you don´t have any reads?

@ Matt I agree that is strange. But is it alignment indicative? I don´t think so.

That post was from Ika. The quote messed up.

sig wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:@SVS Zodiac meta reasons

See I disagree with this, she was inactive in Zodiac and I don't think it has anything to do with alignment. Can you explain to me why you think she is showing this meta a bit more?


@Nero did you role mafia again? I mean 3/3 would be a bit odd.

chaindeath Current thoughts?

If you mean mafia as in one of the crime families, then yeah, I did get mafia

The only person im reading as slightly scum is Ika. Im waiting for him to talk some more and answer my question from earlier. He has been acting strange in my opinion, though it may just be a meta thing as he claims.

Im going to pressure vote for Ika. Come talk with us buddy.

ika wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:
What are you going to do if Silverwolf appears to you as town? Who are you going to vote for today if you don´t have any reads?

@ Matt I agree that is strange. But is it alignment indicative? I don´t think so.

wh i always do: work with her and sort out reads that we cant agree on and try to make a cohesive town bloc of players. i would prob go isoing then and read people to see what i cna find if i sort her

So you are developing reads? Just before you said you weren´t going to make reads on people day 1 But thanks for clarifying.

I like that you and Silverwolf can cooperate like this, provided that both of you are good. I will keep an eye on you Could very well be that both of you are baddies.

SVS@ It does make sense.

Silverwolf would it be possible that you could do the same to Ika? It would be really great if we could get more information about you guys.

Silverwolf wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:SVS@ It does make sense.

Silverwolf would it be possible that you could do the same to Ika? It would be really great if we could get more information about you guys.

Clarify what you mean here?

Ika seems to be very focused on decoding and eventually labeling you as either civ/mafia - if you could decode him in the same fashion it would be great. We don´t know the meta of you guys, only you do.

chaindeath wrote:He is so good at typing.... He didn't do it properly and he offers his sincerest apologies. Long Con

This looks somewhat sheepish to me.

Why does typing mistakes and then apologising for it indicate baddie alignment? Chain I would like you to explain too. I see nothing scummy in LC´s behavior so far.

Who is Gleam? I dont see anyone with that name.

I don´t think Im going to vote for Golden. I don´t see what you guys see in him, and I would prefer to lynch someone else entirely, but I just don´t know who that should be.

@ Sig I find it suspicious that you reacted so violently and defensive towards Sloonei pointing out you were lurking.

Sloonei wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:Who is Gleam? I dont see anyone with that name.

agleaminranks

Thanks. I read it completely different.

@ Sig To me its not "highly pingy" to call out lurking.

I am going to change my vote. Losing Ika now will eradicate all meta reads that he can give us on Silverwolf. I don´t like that uncertainty.

Im going to check up un Gleam and see if thats whgere my vote will be.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Is it bad that I'm not managing to follow the whole Wilgy/Enrique/Dinny argument anymore?

I had to check the poll to understand who is voting for who.

I don´t get it either. Can someone do a TL;DR?

Im not really reading Gleam as scummy. I might just go with a wagon today if someone can convince me of reasons to vote for someone.

Linki Yeah weird behavior from Mongoose.

agleaminranks wrote:

Diiny wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:I'm voting Diiny, but not because I specifically side with Wilgy or Enrique. To be honest I have no idea what the flying fart is going on in that circle.

Glad your vote is well informed.

I think Luffy made a good point against your favor. As much as I don't want to say that for how fervently he is attacking me at the moment.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Oh sorry, you are not opposed to the idea of hunting mafia. You just don't want to lynch them. Accusing each other is okay as long as no blood is drawn.

People like yourself are a pretty common trope in movie bad guys. They have some ideal that may even be morally sympathetic to the viewer, but you still use the end to justify your means of sacrificing a few innocent lives along the way. I think that is the wrong attitude.

Do you seriously think we can win without any mislynches? They do serve their purpose, as we can look at vote tallies and such. To me it is alright to mislynch a few if it means winning in the end anyway.

I was not pinged before but now I am.

I think Im going to vote for Chaindeath. He voted for LC based on nothing earlier today, when the only thing LC had posted IIRC was an argument against the everyone-vote-for-everyone plan. Still getting mixed signals from Gleam, but I will let him slide this round.

See y`all tomorrow.

sig wrote:I don't like Nero's vote what so ever. It seems like he picked a player who already had two votes. I think one of the other people with two votes is a cop, and Nero switched his vote to save them.

That´s a little far-fetched. We are supposed to catch baddies here, and in that moment Chaindeath seemed to me like the most scummy player. I was not happy with any of the major wagons, so I went with him. Do you believe both me and Ika(and the other players with two votes) are cops then? If so, why didn´t you vote for any of us?

I do agree with some of the above posters that Slooneis vote did seem like an act to save a teammate.

I see RadicalFuzz is online. What are your suspects and general thoughts on what happened at EoD and from there on?

Sig.

You didn´t answer my question or follow up on our discussion Whats up? Im pinged by you you know.

sig wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:

sig wrote:I don't like Nero's vote what so ever. It seems like he picked a player who already had two votes. I think one of the other people with two votes is a cop, and Nero switched his vote to save them.

That´s a little far-fetched. We are supposed to catch baddies here, and in that moment Chaindeath seemed to me like the most scummy player. I was not happy with any of the major wagons, so I went with him. Do you believe both me and Ika(and the other players with two votes) are cops then? If so, why didn´t you vote for any of us?

I do agree with some of the above posters that Slooneis vote did seem like an act to save a teammate.

You sound very defensive here.

I said I think someone was mafia I didn't specifically said it was you, and I don't recall mentioning Ike at all so I find you bringing him up to be odd. You barely mentioned Chaindeath and your reason for voting him was weak. He was also one of the players who already had two votes so yes it does seem like you just put your vote down on someone who had votes.

linki: Zebra's silence is also strange and she said I was a civ read. I'm not sure how I feel about that.

Right here you said that any of the people with two votes is a cop. I used Ika as an example of one of them because I could not remember any of the others.

I voted Chaindeath for the same reason you believe my vote to be weak: his vote on LC. There was almost no reasoning at all and it pinged me pretty much. Imo he did redeem himself in his last post and I am not pinged by him as much as before.

Right now I don´t know who to vote for. How much time until the day ends?

Wait, quite a few people have been voicing disagreement against the Gleam wagon. Is this a coordinated cop effort to steer the thread in a specific direction?

Wow.

Well, if you can´t reference to posts and find bits of proof then how do you want us to agree with you? Why do you want to do ISO´s if you don´t want to analyse them?

Man.

ika wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:Wow.

Well, if you can´t reference to posts and find bits of proof then how do you want us to agree with you? Why do you want to do ISO´s if you don´t want to analyse them?

Man.

i do analize them and most times i reach a conclusion based on skimming and what i feel i mean i could go role outing on people. cus thats what i look for in reading it, roles

Have you found anything?

ika wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:

ika wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:Wow.

Well, if you can´t reference to posts and find bits of proof then how do you want us to agree with you? Why do you want to do ISO´s if you don´t want to analyse them?

Man.

i do analize them and most times i reach a conclusion based on skimming and what i feel i mean i could go role outing on people. cus thats what i look for in reading it, roles

Have you found anything?

yes i have found someone who is probally the hitman/don

Im not sure I believe you.

Who do you think we should lynch today?

@ Ika

No, I do not want to know.

Because anyone can claim that they have an idea for who it might be.

I don´t believe it is in our best interests to speculate on who might be don/hitman. It only distracts from our goal to lynch cops, and we don´t really win anything by discussing it.
It certainly does not improve my read on you.

Ika

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:@Nerolunar, you said you wouldn't lynch ika on day 1 because his presence in the game would make it easier for you to read SW.

How did that change on day 2?

He hasn´t really done that yet as far as I can see, and has instead been all over the place regarding his playstyle (doing ISOs yet not providing reads, trying to discuss the power roles and weird fluff about his and Silvers relationship) and that makes me want to lynch him. I thought he could be an asset but all we have got are distractions and a lack of effort. Looks like scum to me.

Im reading Silver as town myself, and Ika hasn´t voiced suspicion of her either, so there is that.

Epignosis wrote:Sorry Wilgy. I can't vote for you anymore. Something else came up.

Nerolunar wrote:Wait, quite a few people have been voicing disagreement against the Gleam wagon. Is this a coordinated cop effort to steer the thread in a specific direction?

Go on...

Nerolunar wrote:Wow.

Well, if you can´t reference to posts and find bits of proof then how do you want us to agree with you? Why do you want to do ISO´s if you don´t want to analyse them?

Man.

Uh-huh. Nerolunar. Is the thread being steered? Who is doing the driving?

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:What the hell have I been reading the past few pages?

Have you figured it out yet?

No. A grammar and spelling manual would do wonders.

ika wrote:i do analize them

Ooooow.

Pursuing Ika right then seemed much more appropiate than trying to focus on the disagreement with the Gleam lynch. I got some fine answers from him that made me vote for him. We got to know Ika better and thats way more valuable than following through with my previous thoughts.

It pinged me that you were so quick to vote for me based on this. Were you pinged by me before? If so, where and why?

Epignosis wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Sorry Wilgy. I can't vote for you anymore. Something else came up.

Nerolunar wrote:Wait, quite a few people have been voicing disagreement against the Gleam wagon. Is this a coordinated cop effort to steer the thread in a specific direction?

Go on...

Nerolunar wrote:Wow.

Well, if you can´t reference to posts and find bits of proof then how do you want us to agree with you? Why do you want to do ISO´s if you don´t want to analyse them?

Man.

Uh-huh. Nerolunar. Is the thread being steered? Who is doing the driving?

Sloonei wrote:

Epignosis wrote:What the hell have I been reading the past few pages?

Have you figured it out yet?

No. A grammar and spelling manual would do wonders.

ika wrote:i do analize them

Ooooow.

Pursuing Ika right then seemed much more appropiate than trying to focus on the disagreement with the Gleam lynch. I got some fine answers from him that made me vote for him. We got to know Ika better and thats way more valuable than following through with my previous thoughts.

It pinged me that you were so quick to vote for me based on this. Were you pinged by me before? If so, where and why?

No, I didn't suspect you before. You made a quick flop. That caught my eye. What does the quickness of my vote have to do with anything?

Voting people enables me to observe things, as I did with Wilgy. If I'm happy with what I see, I'll move along.

This is actually a reasonable way to approach things. By quickness I meant how you jumped on me based on 2 of my posts without any further suspicion, but you also explained your thought process on that.

I wouldn´t call my posts a "quick flop". I articulated thoughts and observations. No more, no less.

agleaminranks wrote:Silverwolf, I'm calling your bluff. I went back and examined the Wilgy case and I don't have anything stronger to go on there. I think my rationale will stand for itself. I have a long day of classes and I'm not 100% sure I can check in again before the deadline.

Silverwolf

If you have a well-build case against Wilgy, then why don´t you just vote for him?

Sloonei wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:

agleaminranks wrote:Silverwolf, I'm calling your bluff. I went back and examined the Wilgy case and I don't have anything stronger to go on there. I think my rationale will stand for itself. I have a long day of classes and I'm not 100% sure I can check in again before the deadline.

Silverwolf

If you have a well-build case against Wilgy, then why don´t you just vote for him?

I think he's saying Silverwolf has a case on Wilgy, not himself.

Whoops, my bad.

sig wrote:Voting Epignosis for the time. I don't have much to go on, but I've got a bad gut read of him, I also don't see the gleam lynch what so ever. I think between Gleam and Ika, Ika is more likely to be bad.

Before you were pinged by me, and now you vote for my accuser? Don´t get me wrong, Im happy that you don´t find me suspicious anymore, but this looks a tad opportunistic to me

Hmm... Opportunistic is not the word Im looking for. I don´t know. Sig did a 180-turn with that vote.

I feel handicapped by the fact that English isn´t my native language.

Im going to bed now

Im reading Serge as civ. I would like to hear more from you.

Yay! Well done on the lynch.

Im not so sure on Ika anymore. Im more inclined to lynching Epi right now, though I will have to wait for the night to end before making any reads. We should have fresh information by then.

A for effort on that one, Dragon. I see your point, and I am not opposed to a Golden Lynch, though I would rather look at Epignosis.

@ Epignosis

I was referring to the fact that Night Actions will happen - thats what I mean by information. Things will happen that we can use. I was not talking specifically about lynching you for information. You still ping me though.

That font color is so wrong Sig.

Its unreadable.

Maybe you intended for it to be unreadable?

Probably not.

@ Epignosis

What exactly is your case against me? I only remember you mentioning me steering the thread earlier which you didn´t follow up on, but does it go beyond that? Explain to me why you find me suspicious.

Epignosis wrote:

Spoiler: show

sig wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I have finally finished reading. Jesus.

Taking the Lords name in vain, you should be lynched just for this.

sig wrote:Wow why Fuzz this makes no sense I think this is a baddie driven CFD to save a teammate, notice almost the same people are up for lynches today as yesterday? I stand by my theory that one was mafia and that we had some minor save last phase, I think we are seeing a much bigger save attempt this phase. With a mafia team thhis big a CFD is easy to pull off I think this is scum driven to save one of the three leading people. Most likely Ike or Epi.

Can someone give me any reason for the Fuzz lynch?

I also really dislike DDL switch and his reasons. I actually am agreeing with Llama about him what about a Dragon lycnh?

linki: DDL and Golden are my top two scum reads, either Ike or Epi are there partners. Possibly Wilgy as well.

While the "Wow why Fuzz this makes no sense" is the obvious thing people will take from this post, don't overlook that sig names five people- with thirty-three minutes in the lynch to go. We used to call that "throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks" back in the day. In addition, sig starts "agreeing" with llama about DDL.

sig, do you still agree with thellama73 about DDL? Why or why not?

I've still got a slight scum read on DDL mainly for Llama's points.I also didn't like his reasoning for switching wagons. I did name multiply people yes with good reasoning imo. I saw yesterday as an attempt to save Ika, Golden seemed scummy. I had already said one of the leading wagons was mafia that would have been Ika or you. Wilgy for reasons stated earlier. What is wrong with making multiply reads? I wasn't trying to redirect the CFD

sig wrote:I also find it very odd Golden doesn't want to lynch Ike a new player but suggested a CFD onto Serge another new player?

This isn't a big deal, but ika isn't a new player, and sig should know that.

This game was played eight months ago I didn't recall playing with Ika. This seems like a desperate attempt to try and refocus the discussion onto me.

sig wrote:The fact that the Gleam wagon exploded at the beginning of the phase with almost no explanation to being gone and another wagon popping up ijust as fast is insane. I bet Fuzz will flip civ, you'll attempt to lead a Gleam lynch tomorrow and they will flip civ. I know firmly believe one of the other two front runners is a cop.

This post oozes with desperation and fear-mongering. I wish I could see what the vote tallies looked like at the time of this post. I don't understand sig's thought process, but if sig is bad, I would argue that agleaminranks is good, because sig would know Fuzz wouldn't flip civilian.

Can you explain this I don't understand? I said if Fuzz flips civ then Gleam would be wagoned tomorrow and would the be civ. My thought process was simply. We had so many people vote Gleam for no good reason, his wagon exploded. Then it lost all its votes and was replaced by Fuzz. Could you explain your theory about Gleam being good if I'm bad?

I'm not going to go through all of sig's posts that are all railing against the wave of votes that came in out of nowhere for Fuzz. Here's my question: Is there a precedent for sig urging desperately against someone's lynch in the early stage of a game?

Sometimes I will, I recently did this more or less in Llama's game and it got me lynched. II think it has happened a few times, the reason I was so vocal this game was because I believed we where being redirected and pushed by the mafia.

Golden wrote: I stand up for sig when he is town, all the time. You know this about me. Everyone does. I'm pretty good at seeing sig slips and seeing the reasons people are after him are dumb.

He made no slip here. He didn't post a word that was misinterpreted. People weren't taking him the wrong way. No - he opposed the CFD, and voted to break the tie and save Fuzz.

I do not believe this sig is town for a second.

Yep. I want to say I've even defended sig when he was bad and I wasn't.

That is true, however you also voted agaisnt me in The Syndicate game, when I voted with the last mafia player when I was indeed a civ. So I'd say you have defended me, but also voted agaisnt me when I made voting errors in the past.
++++

If I'm popped tonight, my top three are sig, Quin, and Nerolunar.

I'm not making a desperate attempt to refocus the discussion onto you. "Refocusing" assumes that the focus has gone away from you. It hasn't. You have two votes out of the gate. You desperately attempted to refocus discussion away from Fuzz. That is why you are the focus now.

My reasoning about gleam being good hinges on you being bad. If you are bad, I would argue that gleam is good. If you are a cop, then you knew Fuzz would not show up good, and you used gleam as a reason people shouldn't vote Fuzz. It's convoluted and based on assumptions about what people would do, which sounds like you were clutching at straws.

Nerolunar wrote:@ Epignosis

What exactly is your case against me? I only remember you mentioning me steering the thread earlier which you didn´t follow up on, but does it go beyond that? Explain to me why you find me suspicious.

I don't have a case against you. Yet.

So we've had a night phase. What fresh information do we have? Do you still want to lynch me?

Hm, Im not sure. You seem more civ now than before, but your weird behavior with avoiding wagons and such are still questionable. As for information, I don´t see any clear connection between the Wilgy kill and anyone.

I wish Black Rock and Llama would post more. They have been laying low for a while.

Im not opposed to a Quin lynch. Im happy you guys pointed out her weird behavior at EoD2. I didn´t notice that when I read through it.

@ DDL Can you point a finger at something that makes my post give off a weird vibe? I will try to answer as well as possible

Im still reading Ika as bad. I understand that we are unfamilliar with his playstyle, but I just can´t get around how it looks. Recently he has only posted pictures without words, not really been providing thoughts or reads and previously he would say stuff like "Just lynch this already". It doesn´t look to me like he is really trying. What townstyle exhibits that?

I guess he is working and doesn´t have time to respond properly, but if he doesn´t do it soon I will be voting for him.

@ Chaindeath

The pictures are not my only concern - He has been saying other stuff previously that make me think he is scum. Although now that you mention it, it was probably a role that makes him post in pictures only.

chaindeath wrote:Chaindeath just wanted to make sure that Nero was aware of it because He thinks the police don't have a role that would do something like that. Also he welcomes back Matt

Im a little pinged by you. You only show up to defend yourself, and I don´t see any desire to solve the game.

Who do you read as town/scum?

Ugh. My first lynch priority today so far is Ika, but he can´t even defend himself so it would be a really rude move to lynch him. I will be looking for other suspects instead. Im considering Zebra or any of the other low posters like Black Rock or Soneji, or even Chaindeath. Well, mostly Chaindeath now that I think about it.

@ Quin

Before you asked me if I didn´t find Sloonei suspicious because he had the same behavior as you for a bit at the CFD. I do believe it was just as weird, but he is striking me as town in all other areas so far. Although you have defended yourself very well recently.

Linki - sometimes the linkis doesnt show up, and sometimes they do. Its weird.

Long Con wrote:Ok, I was doing some rereading, and it seems like no one had really focused on Nerolunar too much.

Nerolunar wrote:

ika wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:
What are you going to do if Silverwolf appears to you as town? Who are you going to vote for today if you don´t have any reads?

@ Matt I agree that is strange. But is it alignment indicative? I don´t think so.

wh i always do: work with her and sort out reads that we cant agree on and try to make a cohesive town bloc of players. i would prob go isoing then and read people to see what i cna find if i sort her

So you are developing reads? Just before you said you weren´t going to make reads on people day 1 But thanks for clarifying.

I like that you and Silverwolf can cooperate like this, provided that both of you are good. I will keep an eye on you Could very well be that both of you are baddies.

Nero sits on the fence about ika and Silverwolf's alignment. Some nice words, but mostly a negative tone toward them.

Nerolunar wrote:SVS@ It does make sense.

Silverwolf would it be possible that you could do the same to Ika? It would be really great if we could get more information about you guys.

Focuses for a couple more posts on digging deeper into ika/Silverwolf's relationship in the game, but then drops it altogether when Silver starts to engage him on it.

Nerolunar wrote:

chaindeath wrote:He is so good at typing.... He didn't do it properly and he offers his sincerest apologies. Long Con

This looks somewhat sheepish to me.

Why does typing mistakes and then apologising for it indicate baddie alignment? Chain I would like you to explain too. I see nothing scummy in LC´s behavior so far.

This was the first ping I got from Nero on the first time around, I suspected buddying intentions with this post. Like Silverwolf, I have been the victim of buddying baddies a few times before, and I'm sensitive to it now.

Nero then flings a little mud at sig before turning his attention elsewhere.

Nerolunar wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:Who is Gleam? I dont see anyone with that name.

agleaminranks

Thanks. I read it completely different.

@ Sig To me its not "highly pingy" to call out lurking.

I am going to change my vote. Losing Ika now will eradicate all meta reads that he can give us on Silverwolf. I don´t like that uncertainty.

I'm going to check up un Gleam and see if thats where my vote will be.

Note that he doesn't want to lynch ika, valuing his meta reads on Silverwolf. He then reads gleam as Civ, but takes it back a half hour later, declaring some suspicion on gleam.

Ends up voting for chaindeath because chaindeath voted for me. Voting off the main wagons on Day 1 (Diiny, Wilgy, Golden) shows an unwillingness to be involved in lynching a Civ from a baddie perspective. A baddie will often avoid the main wagons when Civs are up for lynch, and the existence of only one complete baddie team in this game gives them 100% surety of who's good and who's bad.

I'm putting a vote down on Nerolunar for now because I have to go to work. Still plenty of time left in the Day, and I will get back to this Nero ISO tonight or tomorrow morning EST.

1) I never dropped the Ika/Silverwolf matter. IIRC there was not much to discuss at that point anymore - I had hoped they would quickly sort each other out, but Ika kept being all over the place leading me to be suspicious of him. I still am.
2) Im not buddying. Any unexplained vote should be looked at critically in my opinion - the vote just happened to be directed at you.
3) I never read Gleam as strictly civ. I hadn´t noticed that he was the guy people were talking about due to his name, and that was why I chose to skim his recent posts at that time. He said something later and that pinged me - before I was more or less reading him as neutral.
4) After my vote, Chaindeath was on 3 votes and the rest of the "wagons" were at 2 each. I was on the main wagon at the time of my vote, though that did change radically as the day progressed. Im always asleep at the EoD due to time zones.

Linki Welcome Boomslang and Draconus

chaindeath wrote:Nerolunar, chaindeath supposes he should thank you. He has looked back through some of the posts where he was mentioned and involved and has gotten some reads. Quite honestly he finds you quite suspect. You claim that he has only posted defensively however, he's tried to figure things out through postings to no avail. He finds it quite interesting that you restated things that he, although perhaps not as explicitly as he should have, days after the fact.

Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:49 pm

chaindeath wrote:

ika wrote:yawn can we lynch this now?

This statement makes chaindeath uncomfortable.

Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:42 am

Nerolunar wrote:Im still reading Ika as bad. I understand that we are unfamilliar with his playstyle, but I just can´t get around how it looks. Recently he has only posted pictures without words, not really been providing thoughts or reads and previously he would say stuff like "Just lynch this already". It doesn´t look to me like he is really trying. What townstyle exhibits that?

I guess he is working and doesn´t have time to respond properly, but if he doesn´t do it soon I will be voting for him.

Maybe it's a piggy back but to him it seems like a Pingy-back (He tried)

He would also like to state that his initial entry into the game was in a defensive stance since people had voted for chaindeath. Apparently to you, he thinks, not physically having the time to participate is a baddie thing to do. He was out of town with family and to that point he felt his early vote on LC was justified but he didn't want to dwell too long on it. He feels bad saying it but it was more like a "throwaway vote".

Chaindeath would like to conclude with light amount of pingy-ness coming from Scotty also, any interaction with him seems to have been not the friendliest.

D&D night got moved up a day, so he will likely not be on until late or even tomorrow morning

Being short on time is not a baddie tell, but not working for the civ case is. That is what Ika has been doing for some time now, although he is cursed today so I don´t expect him to play that much right now.
How was the LC vote justified? LC only had a post where he spoke against the "Everyone votes for everyone plan". I can´t see how that could possibly be interpreted as scum behavior.
Also, you´re suddenly suspicious of me when I am of you. This is just a NO U to both me and Scotty. Im pinged by you very much right now.

Indi and Quin - I never said I wanted to lynch for information. I wanted to wait for the night to end because NKs would be done and we would have just a little more to go on. I mostly don´t like to start wagons at night where the voting poll is not even up. I believe I have explained that in a previous post. I guess I might have voiced it wrong since 3 people have misunderstood it by now

Indi did you read all of my posts? I have explained most of the points you make already. I can explain them again if you want.

I discarded the idea of meta reads on Ika/SW because they never showed up. Ika mentioned that he would quickly sort out if SW was bad, but he only went all over the place, resulting in a lot of suspicion being thrown at him. I became suspicious of him because he didn´t make use of the fact that only he has meta of SW, and also his generally weid behavior which I have explained.

I came off of Ika when I began to think that it was due to playstyle that he was acting like he was. I was afraid to tunnel too hard at that point. Epignosis had voted for me based on very little evidence(the steering of the thread) and that pinged me. He has exhibited civ behavior lately though, so Im neutral on him now.

Epignosis didn´t tunnel on me, and that made me less suspicious on him - in hindsight its a pretty bad way to gauge alignment, so I will give you that.

I had been reading 18 pages, so Quins behavior at EoD slipped my mind. There was so much to remember, and thats why I was genuinely happy that people had pointed it out so that I didn´t miss it.

As of now, yeah I am reading Ika as bad. I guess it would be stupid of him to vote for Fuzz, but I believe that was what occured anyway. Maybe he forgot he had the votes, maybe he actively bussed to save himself. Regardless of what happened, he has still exhibited scummy behavior in my opinion. I won´t lynch him today though, as he can´t defend himself. I am much more comfortable with lynching Chaindeath. He is just scummy all over.

Chaindeath

Let me explain.

I hadn´t understood the Gleam case because I didn´t know that Agleaminranks was Gleam - I thought it was someones nickname, but I couldn´t figure it out.

I didn´t read Gleam as scum the first time because he seemed like he was making an honest effort - it was a gut read.

I was pinged because he seemed so dead-set on that philosophy and I didn´t agree with it. Now that you mention it I probably viewed it as a bigger issue than what it was, and that its not really alignment indicative. Its still my 4th game, and I need to figure out when a philosophy disagreement is alignment indicative. It probably never is.

That interaction with Sig played out after the end of that day - I voted early because of time zones, while Sloonei voted much later. Talk about "saving". There were 4 hours from my vote until end of day, so I placed my vote where I believe there was scum.

Btw Im going to an early party today, so I won´t around in a few hours.

Linki. Don´t go LC - I have explained everything here.

So much to read through. I realized that I forgot to vote in the poll - for the record I would have voted for Chaindeath.

I don´t feel good about Quin anymore. If he did in fact loan a vote its not unlikely that he used it to save Sig - they were also the ones(and Sloonei to a lesser extent) who opposed the CFD. I believe that they are on a team together. If Sig is scum then Golden is probably civ.

I do really think that Chaindeath is scum too. He is my strongest scum read for multiple reasons that I have already stated, and Im surprised that no one seems to agree with me.

I understand why you guys think that I am not contributing as much as I could - its mostly due to the fact that almost every time a cycle ends there are +7 pages to read, and reading that much doesn´t make me want to write huge analysises, especially not on some of the more complicated subjects. Im choosing my fights as I feel like.