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Things S~V~S said to/about
DrWilgy / Inawordyes:
S~V~S wrote:Also Hi Wilgy
Linki, @ Wilgy, he was blendy. I felt sketchy about him, tbh.
This came soon after Wilgy replaced in. The "linki" line is about his predecessor Inawordyes. S~V~S didn't actually say anything about IAWY prior to this. I think calling a low-poster "blendy" is as easy as it gets regardless of the alignments of both the person saying it and the person being referred to. It doesn't tell me much about Wilgy.
S~V~S wrote:JaggedJimmyJay wrote:GTH GO
DFARADAY / DEX
DRUMBEATS
DRWILGY
Bad good bad
Day 4 GTH read is bad.
S~V~S wrote:Did you mention wilgy? I think he's bad too
S~V~S wrote:Matt is good
Where was wilgy?
S~V~S wrote:Yeah I looked back and found it too.
Apparently she forgot that she GTH read him as bad, because when the exercise was over she wasn't sure he had been covered. She reiterated her bad read. Apparently it was important to her that this read get into the thread.
S~V~S wrote:Polo, you are missing my point. I think Wilgy is probably a Cylon, I think Sig could be a cylon, I think several people might be cylons. I am super positive willing to stake my entire reputation on it that LC is Cain.
LOL, I am gonna go do laundry or dishes or anything except get out my blue face paint ha ha ha
Emphasizes a "cylon" read on Wilgy in her Day 5 defensive discussion with Polo.
S~V~S wrote:So say we all.
That could be understood in a variety of ways.
Let's all put our top three on the table.
For me it is Wilgy, sig & LC. It might have been Wilgy, Faraday & LC, but Dex is representing imo.
Linki,Um, I read that in exactly the opposite way but OK
Calls Wilgy one of her three preferred lynches of Day 5.
S~V~S wrote:ObscureAllure wrote:So say we all -
what about a Wigly lynch?
I could do this, he is in my top 3. I think IAWY was bad, the only person who really knows him said he was bad, and Wilgy has not come in here and made me feel any better about him.
I think LC is a risk to the town in general, but if we collectively believe we have a lynchable cylon, I am OK with that too. This way when Cain starts killing people or whatever anti town thing it is that his role does besides imposing black & white rules on a grey situation, I can get to say "I told you so" which I enjoy immensely whenever it happens.
S~V~S wrote:Long Con wrote:S~V~S wrote:ObscureAllure wrote:So say we all -
what about a Wigly lynch?
I could do this, he is in my top 3. I think IAWY was bad, the only person who really knows him said he was bad, and Wilgy has not come in here and made me feel any better about him.
I think LC is a risk to the town in general, but if we collectively believe we have a lynchable cylon, I am OK with that too. This way when Cain starts killing people or whatever anti town thing it is that his role does besides imposing black & white rules on a grey situation, I can get to say "I told you so" which I enjoy immensely whenever it happens.
If Cain has any other effects on the game, especially starting to kill, then even I will be forced to re-evaluate my stance on her. Like I said, for a player like me, Cain has not changed a thing about my game or goals. We haven't seen any sort of the dire effects you are prognosticating, so I'm glad that it seems like you aren't putting the cart before the horse anymore.
I hate that Cain put black & white conditions on a grey situation. I don't like being imposed upon, tbh. At least one person who was town, and possibly more, now has no reason to play as town, and I am not sure why I seem to be the only one to find this disturbing
I said during the night that if the win con change was nullified or mitigated somehow, I would be happy to back off. Instead the Prez gave us a fluff law, which tells me that the Prez can't do that.
You said to give you time. I am willing to do so. But I myself do not think Cain is on the side of the town, I don't see how she possibly could be. She is pro human, yes, but will not hesitate to toss humans to the side if they get in her way. But if Cain proves to be benign, I am content to wait and watch.
What are your thoughts on Wilgy?
Long Con wrote:a2thezebra wrote:Long Con, JaggedJimmyJay, and to an extent Ricochet, are all confirmed town along with at least a dozen other players.
"How do you know that?" he asked, knowing that zebra will intentionally refrain from clarifying a damn thing.
This ^^
Continues to press Wilgy as a suspect on Day 5 and prods LC to talk about him..
S~V~S wrote:Dex wrote:Silverwolf wrote:I'd also still be willing to lynch Long Con. Black Rock's support of him holds some weight and he definitely is showing a lot of effort and not knowing about certain things that'd I'd expect him too seems genuine but I have a bad feeling about him I can't shake.
Is anyone else willing to vote LC? Can I convince you, S~V~S? It might be good to have the most votes on him before the night is half over, to ensure he won't jump the fleet early and all the votes will count. Assuming he's Cain. Which I do.
I said I would give him time,which to me means until the end of the day. If nothing Cain related happens,I can then more to the next day and wait. I would love to lynch him, but he makes be feel bad, and BR makes me feel worse, but when I was trying to push for that,no one else seemed to be hearing what I was saying, or if they were, they did not agree. This is a huge part of the problem the civs have on this site in general; everyone wants to flog their own suspects, and no one is willing to listen to anyone else. We have one guy going on about JJJ, and tbh, that is the worst possible lynch, imo. Everybody only cares about their own suspects.
This is why I asked everyone to picl their top three last night, maybe we can come to a consensus.
I think Wilgy is likely to be cylon. I thought IAWY was a cylon, the only person who has history with IAWY thought he was a cylon, and Wilgy is not acting like a civ. He is my primary candidate for a cylon.
Again she calls Wilgy a likely "cylon". She's almost interchanging "cylon" with "bad" when she talks about Wilgy, which is a weird thing considering her hatred of LC, the man who literally did equate cylon with bad.
S~V~S puts up a case against Wilgy on Day 5
This case is a very wordy way of essentially just saying "Wilgy isn't participating very much and IAWY didn't either". The case is rather weak, and it appears more cooked in a "capitalize on lazy Wilgy" way than a "bus Wilgy" way. Nice look.
S~V~S wrote:Matt wrote:Long Con wrote:Linki: Yeah, so basically what Rico said.
I think you were joking haha.
Can't tell for sure, but it looked like Rico said what I was alluding to, that Epi isn't what he appears to be.
Rico, smile for yes, frownface for no.
It looks tome like you are spitballing,tbh. Trying to find reasons to suspect people.
Based on his behavior, I have no reason to think Epi is bad. I have no reason to think the sorties are anything but random.
@Daisy, I did not back off. I said I would give him time. I don;t have to vote until the end, or close to it. I still think the other shoe is going to drop. Golden would not make the secret role a benign kinda-townie role, IMO. The Secret Role is probably very awesome and I am jealous of LC for getting it (presumably & imo). But this role is not just a counterweight to Cavil & Cylons, i would think; it is probably also a counterweight to Adama.
I will be voting for either Wilgy or LC. I think of everyone with votes, Wilgy is sketchy as all fuck, WAY sketchier than OA for sure.
She decided it was necessary to specifically state that he was more sketchy than OA. Might say more about OA than Wilgy.
S~V~S wrote:Long Con wrote:Dex wrote:S~V~S wrote:This is a good point this has to mean SOMETHING for game purposes, or Golden would not have done it. Kind of like why I think Cain is not just another civvie as LC would have us believe; why havea super secret role thatis just another civvie? Golden has put an insane amount of thought (and I do mean insane, Golden, you need help) into this game. Those locations mean something. Canon people, any ideas?
There's a chance the Galactica will be destroyed in a Cylon attack. I'm not sure there's any more significance regarding location than that.
I agree with this. I think that further speculation on this is as useful as trying to figure out who Cavil
might be able to recruit. As of now, the only thing one's presence on Galactica affects is Cylon attacks... which we haven't even seen yet. We don't even know if it is a triggered event, a planned event, or a Cylon-chosen event.
I've been looking over Wilgy's posts to see if he's someone I want to vote for. His accusation of OA over a "slip" that I don't think looks too sliplike doesn't look very good on him. He's pretty light on content - I just played as a baddie against Civ Wilgy, and he was this other person, a keen-minded detective that was figuring out all my schemes while I chuckled nervously and denied it. I would be willing to follow you on a Wilgy vote as you ask, S~V~S.
Done.
*Votes Dr Wilgy*
Strangely eager to work with her most hated foe LC on the matter of going after Wilgy.
S~V~S wrote:Bye LC, I still think Cain was bad news for the civs. I was waiting to see (hopefully) just what exactly LC did other than declaring Martial law. I had thought that perhaps LC insanified Rico, the insanifier seemed more insane than it used to be, and LC is the inventor. But simple insanifying seems a bit tame for the super secret secret role, so perhaps I am OK not having found out.
Civs are mostly human, but not all, it seems. So someones strategy of having an unclaimed person as first lynch,and a prior claimer as back up seemed to have worked
Now that Wilgy is taking the game seriously, I will reassess him. I still think he sounded "bad" prior to becoming a lynch candidate,not just "cylon", but specifically bad.
S~V~S wrote:Glorfindel wrote:The fact that DrWilgy turned out to be a Cylon doesn't really surprise me but I think there is a significant difference between a good Cylon and a bad Cylon and I personally hold the view that the latter are a minority. I too am reassessing my thoughts on him but I wouldn't consider lynching him on his species alone. May I ask S-V-S - what it was specifically about his behaviour that struck you as 'bad'?
His total lack of engagement as compared to other games where he was a civ.
S~V~S wrote:Dex wrote:
I have no idea what his role is, but I'm certain he's in the anti-Cavil faction. Again, it's NOT for no reason. This is no whim.
I would like to hear the reason, becasue I specifically feel he is bad. He stepped up to the plate to defend himself, but before that, he was *not* town Wilgy, imo.
Certain tends to mean "info"; that is why when I was certain about LC, I clarified it that I did NOT have info. I assume you are not implying this. But I want you to clarify this. I DO trust you, but just becasue you are a civ does not mean you are correct.
If you have a reason, I would like to hear it.
S~V~S backpedaled a little bit on her anti-Wilgy stance starting in Night 5, which is a goofy thing since I think that's the day he claimed cylon. I'm a bit bothered that she was so willing to open the door for someone that she had previously been lambasting when circumstance should have only fed her fire -- she'd been calling him "bad" and separately "cylon" for days, and the latter was all-but confirmed when he claimed. That's offset by him trying a little harder? This bothers me enough that it makes me less inspired to call her prior smear-case against him a good look.
S~V~S wrote:@Wilgy, I made one or two posts about it, but for me it was your entire game. You seemed disinterested and uninvolved UNTIL you were being lynched. While I can't expect civ Wilgy to be the civ Wilgy from Recruitment in every game, I can expect to see flashes of that guy. I saw no flashes. So my interpretation of you as sketchy is based more on what didn't happen than on what did happen, if that makes sense.
Yes, exactly. So why did you immediately jump into "reassess" mode when this developed?
S~V~S wrote:In any case, having read back on Wilgy with an eye for topics that the host may not like discussing, I think I get what Dex meant, I won't be voting for Wilgy today. Will probably go for Glorfindel; while he looks pretty much the same to me as the last game we played, someone I trust has a strong opinion there, so I am inclined to trust that. Unless he claims. Or sig. He has dropped way down in the face of the Wilgy & Glorfindel suspicions;he is one of the top third posters, but his last post was: Tue May 24, 2016 10:51:00 am,
She jumped entirely off of the Wilgy wagon and attributed her change of heart to Dex's seemingly information-based faith in him. Given that we've confirmed that lore-based reads are at least not entirely trustworthy, I don't like this.
S~V~S wrote:Golden wrote:Hey gang,
Admiral Adama here. Weird couple of days, huh? It's starting to seem like everyone is a cylon except for me, ya bunch of creepy space robots! Well listen here. I'm your Admiral, proudly so, and that means I have to take it upon myself to facilitate peaceful communication between the humans and the space robots. I require that everyone state clearly and publicly what the believe the allegiances to be of the following likely cylons: Epignosis, DrWilgy, and Glorfindel. This is a direct order, and know that I am giving it with the best intentions. No exceptions. Everyone must submit a response before the end of the day or I will be forced to take action with my rightful authority as Admiral. Thank you for your cooperation.
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So Say We All
Epi: Civ
Wilgy: Civ
Glorfindel: Bad
And I agree that Six is quite possibly Indy, but I don't think she is any of these people. And I don't think sig is the President. Since no one was lynched, that means one of them had the most votes as the host has told us immunity means zero votes. Probably sig, since what would be the point of Glorfindel claiming if he was not a cylon? And that means lynch save. Most people seem to have thought sig was more likely to be bad, so I am not sure who would have saved him, if not himself. ALTHOUGH I tend to think of a lynch *switch* as a baddie thing and a lynch *save* as a civvie thing. So there is that.
But be that as it may, I think we need to lynch Glorfindel today, but I also think discussion before votes, kicking it old school, is a good thing.
Hi Polo, Let me ask; is everyone who felt Cain to be a priority bad, or is it just me?
RIP Marmot
The transition is complete by Day 7 with this civilian read of Wilgy.
S~V~S wrote:OK, I think Polo spelled it out as clearly as possible without pushing any points, and I think it it 100% accurate. For the same reasons I no longer think Wilgy is bad, I do think you are. My vote for you yesterday was predicated more on trusting Silver, But today, this post got you my vote.
I am back from Parades/Garden Party (both soggy) and off to BBQ. Votingnow in case I am not back in time. I have checkedin a few times on phone, but I like phone posting so much better on Droids than iPhones, blurgh, I think I may be the first person ever to go back to Droid.
*Voting Glorfindel*
She's talking to Glorfindel here. RED ALERT, JJJ IS BRINGING OUT THE CAPS LOCK. NO GOOD, NO GOOD, NO GOOD
I'll skip ahead to Day 9 when Glorfindel's alignment had been revealed. This was all S~V~S had to offer about Wilgy then:
S~V~S wrote:So here is a partial, I will finish it up after work.
Civ
Black Rock
Dex
DrumBeats
DrWilgy
Epignosis
G-Man
insertnamehere
JaggedJimmyJay
juliets
Matt
Nerolunar
ObscureAllure
Polo
Rabbit8
Ricochet
S~V~S
sig
SokothQultuq
Spacedaisy
*snip*
I will qualify the rest later, I want to do some reading; it is easier for me to read at work than post. I don't think both G Man & Drum are civ; I think it is one or the other there. So for now I have them both in not sure. I have no idea where I want to vote; worrying about defending (Even though you say I have defended enough, I don't feel as strongly about that as you do
)
plus these people coming back plus Glorfindel coming up civ and the pall that casts on lore leads me to think we need to reconsider across the board. That is why Wilgy came off "civ" to "not sure". So still not sure where I want to vote. I won't be voting for any of the green names today. I doubt I will be voting for INH or you ever.
*snip*
She hated Wilgy before lore saved him for her, and used the same lore against Glorfindel.
Glorfindel flipped town, and lore was destroyed.
She went to "unsure" on Wilgy instead of back to hatred.
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Things
DrWilgy said to/about S~V~S:
Day 5 GTH read is good.
DrWilgy wrote:Linki - What was it that classified me as sketch by your reads SVS? would it be easy to see in your ISO or can you just tell me?
Prod to explain early baddie read she had on him.
DrWilgy wrote:Fixed
SVS wrote: @Wilgy, I made one or two posts about it, but for me it was your entire game. You seemed disinterested and uninvolved UNTIL you were being lynched. While I can't expect civ Wilgy to be the civ Wilgy from Recruitment in every game, I can expect to see flashes of that guy. I saw no flashes. So my interpretation of you as sketchy is based more on what didn't happen than on what did happen, if that makes sense.
SVS this is the second time you used this mentality to justify my scumdoodlin in your head. I don't play the same in every game. I go out of my way to do the opposite. If you want to lynch me for being a lazy player that's fine and I have no qualms, but lynching me for meta reasons is not how you would catch me if I was scum.
SVS, now that I've gotten off my ass, mind looking at what I've contributed and discussing it with me?
Contests S~V~S's meta reads on him and asks her to acknowledge the effort he'd started to provide. This doesn't make me feel anything.
Day 6 GTH read is bad.
I don't see a progression in this read. It changed on its own.
DrWilgy wrote:svs
Trusting that polo vs svs feeling.
End (5)
Contributes to the lynch on Day 9.
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I think there are some pretty bad moments in here. I suspect DrWilgy more than I did before.
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Things S~V~S said to/about
Epignosis:
S~V~S wrote:He is usually more involved. Also starting a new game just as he won the last one, I would expect to see more of him here. But that would be the case good or bad.
I just looked over his posts fast,and I do like this:
Epignosis wrote:I am going to name some people I think are good and some people I think are bad. Old school style.
ika
MM
Matt
That's three I think are good.
Three I think are bad?
Ricochet
Drumbeats
G-Man
That something for 3J. Knock yourself out man. I'm tired after today.
...since I agree with himon two of the three. I have not seen anything from Drumbeats yet to get my eye.
She answered Silverwolf's call for people to discuss Epignosis. Well she "answered" it in that she made a post. She actually said absolutely nothing.
She gives us a reason to perhaps view him with some suspicion and then promptly discards that statement, rendering it pointless. She supported him lightly by cosigning two of his baddie reads (Ricochet and G-Man).
S~V~S wrote:I just went into my other game and that is the one that ends before I get home not this one. I should be home in more than enough time for this poll.
Long Con wrote:
Epi is bad and MM is not.
Rico is probably Civ.
Tell me what I am missing. I feel fairly good about both Epi & MM, but not Rico.
She eventually took a more conclusive stance on Epi, a positive one (still Day 1).
S~V~S wrote:sig wrote:I'll light a candle for you and make sure to add you to my players.
SVS do you think EPi is civ?
I haven't seen anything to make me think he is bad.
He has made some posts I definitely feel good about.
I don't believe she ever clarified on Day 1 what posts she was talking about.
S~V~S wrote:How horrible
He wanted to die, and now he was rezzed? He is a rezzed baddie?
So say we all.
If we're bold, we can probably figure out whether Epi and S~V~S were teamed up just with these two highlighted sentences. It's really all there, right in front of our faces. S~V~S was the first person to say
anything about alignment after Epi's lynch and resurrection. S~V~S later claimed that she had believed all cylons are bad (she obviously knew otherwise as John Cavil himself). If we review the progression of S~V~S's Day 1 treatment of Epi:
~ Provides a non-read of him while supporting him on his baddie reads
~ Later suggests he seems okay to her and that she "definitely liked some posts", but she never lifted a finger to resist his lynch
~ After his lynch/resurrection, she immediately suggests he was a baddie (in the form of a suggestive question)
To me, this looks like S~V~S reveling in an Epi mislynch while keeping her own hands clean of it on Day 1. Afterword she tried to take advantage of an opportunity to promote discord and further distrust when he flipped as a cylon character. If I only read Epignosis based on this one point, I read him as not being on her team. I could be wrong though, and I would very much like to hear other people's perspectives of this specific moment.
S~V~S wrote:When Epi was then lynched & revealed, in retrospect, I thought that maybe he WANTED to be lynched becasue he knew he would come back & be revealed a friendly Cylon
This reads to me as an honest thought by S~V~S, which would reflect well on Epignosis.
I'm skipping ahead now because there's too many damned posts.
S~V~S wrote:EBWOP, I don't think Epi is bad, and getting rid of Cain will bring a return to saner policies. I don't want to force him to burn his protection, and I don't even know that I think OA is a cylon.
On Day 4 she cited her civilian read on Epi as one reason to take an anti-LC stance.
S~V~S wrote:JaggedJimmyJay wrote:GTH GO
EPIGNOSIS
GLORFINDEL
G-MAN
Good good good
Day 4 GTH read is good.
S~V~S wrote:Ah but you need to go back and read how I replied to that post of BRs you quoted, Rabbit. I DID think all cylons were bad at the start of the game. I never saw this show.
No one made any mention of potential civ cylons until after Epi was rezzed that I can recall.
But about what I expected, Bugs
Just got home,reading back to this AM.
Oops.
S~V~S wrote:Golden wrote:Hey gang,
Admiral Adama here. Weird couple of days, huh? It's starting to seem like everyone is a cylon except for me, ya bunch of creepy space robots! Well listen here. I'm your Admiral, proudly so, and that means I have to take it upon myself to facilitate peaceful communication between the humans and the space robots. I require that everyone state clearly and publicly what the believe the allegiances to be of the following likely cylons: Epignosis, DrWilgy, and Glorfindel. This is a direct order, and know that I am giving it with the best intentions. No exceptions. Everyone must submit a response before the end of the day or I will be forced to take action with my rightful authority as Admiral. Thank you for your cooperation.
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So Say We All
Epi: Civ
Wilgy: Civ
Glorfindel: Bad
Still a good read on Day 7.
Same deal on Day 9.
S~V~S wrote:I am going to vote for Epi cause i got no choice. I dont want to, but leave it to fate, I guess.
vote epi
Even though he will now vote me, which is OK by me.
Linki,wtf is a boomslang gambit?
Meaningless self-defense vote.
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Things
Epignosis said to/about S~V~S:
Epignosis wrote:S~V~S wrote:I thought the toasters were the baddies, yeah.
That's a lot of mafia to get rid of, ain't it?
Questions S~V~S on her claim that she thought all cylons were bad post-resurrection.
Epignosis wrote:nutella wrote:I said I would figure out who my top suspects are but I honestly have no idea. At this point I feel like anyone could be bad and I'd have no clue, though there are a handful of people I trust more than others.
Lots of people have named G-Man as a top suspect and I'm curious about that -- I haven't seen as much silly posting or participation in general as I might expect from him, but idk. I was also pretty on board with the observation that JJJ was not his usual zillions-of-posts self, but he's jumped in to do some ISOs as a response to that accusation, and I'm not sure whether to read that as defensive coverage or just a change in timing/availability/energy.
I would like to hear more from Zebra, I think I tend to get odd vibes from her usually but I'm really unclear on what she's done this game and her name sticks out as one I'm curious about. In fact I might go look at her ISO and see what I find (all I remember is the OA thing).
G-Man had some big posts that were summaries and not comments. That's why I put him in my initial list, and I believe that's why S~V~S has him in hers. It's rare when she and I agree on something like that.
Explains why he suspected G-Man and that it matched S~V~S's read.
Epignosis wrote:S~V~S wrote:Thats why I want to know if we can move votes. I think she is lying, she is sooper good at it.
But I will be AFK in about 2 minutes, so may not be able to revote, although I will try to pop in. But yeah, I gotta get offline, my friends already think I am rude/crazy ha ha.
If you think she is lying, why would you want to vote elsewhere?
Pokes S~V~S about her treatment of LoRab on Day 3.
Epignosis wrote:JaggedJimmyJay wrote:GTH GO
S~V~S- Good (which probably means I am wrong and she is fooling everybody)
RICOCHET - Evil
POLO - Good
Day 4 GTH read is good. My eyeball twitched involuntarily when I saw the parenthetical bit. I don't think Epi is that sloppy though.
Epignosis wrote:Black Rock! I want an update on S~V~S and your accusation of her. What say you?
Prods BR to discuss S~V~S.
Epignosis wrote:S~V~S wrote:Because your suspicions are way off base? That is usually the best reason not to kill someone who is widely trusted.
I think I'm alive for other reasons.
I could be alive for what you say, but I'm pretty sure it's other reasons.
A little chatter about Epi's long term survival and night kill motives. WIFOM.
On Day 7, Epignosis suggested he didn't think S~V~S would bus nutella as she did, or that if S~V~S is bad she didn't know nutella is bad with her. @EPIGNOSIS, do you still hold this perspective?
A bit of a discredit on Polo's Cavil-specific case against S~V~S
Epignosis wrote:Have I ever killed S~V~S? I cannot think of a time.
Dunno why this post exists, might just be irrelevant musing.
Effortful defense of S~V~S in response to Polo on Night 8
Not necessarily a big deal. I've spent a lot of energy and thread space wrongly defending baddies before.
Epignosis wrote:I am voting S~V~S.
I offered other names (Nerolunar, for one) and I asked S~V~S why she wouldn't vote Ricochet, but I don't see that I ever got an answer.
And necessity and all that horseshit.
Mostly meaningless self-defense vote on Day 9. He did attempt to provide some kind of rationale, which strikes me as unnecessary.
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He spent more time defending S~V~S than perhaps any other player (Dex might content for that title). I think that's within Epi's baddie repertoire, but he's also capable of being wrong. When high-content analytic players are wrong about something, it tends to gain more spotlight than is warranted because everyone sees how wrong they were in broad daylight. I would know.
I think S~V~S's behavior emerging from his lynch/resurrection is the most telling stuff here and that it works in his favor.
We're talking about a ADDICTEDTOTHESHINDIG different regulars here.