The Syndicate

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:This is civ sig all the way.

How do I know?

Because I'm reading him as bad and I've literally never been right about him.

seems legit

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:This is civ sig all the way.

How do I know?

Because I'm reading him as bad and I've literally never been right about him.

seems legit

I see your alignment hasn't changed.

neither have my underpants

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:This is civ sig all the way.

How do I know?

Because I'm reading him as bad and I've literally never been right about him.

seems legit

I see your alignment hasn't changed.

neither have my underpants

why am i bad, zebra?

Quin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Quin wrote:A rainbow list for MP and I to have a chat about later . Most of these are substantiated and would ideally do with a more in depth ISO. No specific order, other than the obvious.

Nachomamma8

Boomslang
MovingPictures07
Elohcin/motel room 2.0
Scotty
metalmarsh89
DrWilgy
MacDougall

Vompatti
DFaraday
Snow Dog
nijuukyougou

Black Rock
Soneji
a2thezebra
Epignosis
sig
Long Con


@linki - I was just about to do the same thing before I went to bed. Voted sig.

Oooooh, a shiny rainbow, I love it! How the hell is Nacho still ahead of me? What do I have to do for you people?

I need to continue my ISO assessments this morning (they will have to wait until after teaching though), so some of these players I don't have super firm reads on. But we have some cognitive dissonance. Why slight town on MM and Wilgy? What did you think of my crappy Wilgy ISO? Why is Snow Dog a null (right?) read? I have more questions but I'll leave it at that for now.

Admittedly I might be overestimating my read of Nacho. I'm sure I've mentioned it before, but his approach to the game has checked all of the townie boxes so far. His approach is a lot like mine, too - and I feel like it's more likely to be genuine going off of that.

I'm not going to make something out of Wilgy's 'I won't check my rolecard' thing which most people seem to be interpreting in a bad way, because I know the act of opening with some sort of gambit is more likely to just be a non-indicative thing. It might seem contradictory, but I'm also town-reading Wilgy based on his 'I haven't checked my role card' gambit. What I like is, specifically, the 'thing' he chose as his gambit. Suggesting he hasn't read his role card is a load of bs, there's no way he hasn't, because I don't think he's the kind of person to screw over his team for the sake of a joke, and I think he'd have chosen a less self-incriminating meme if he were bad. I haven't read your Wilgy ISO unfortunately, I will at some point when my face doesn't hurt so bad and I'll give you my thoughts then.

As for the marmot, it was a read mostly based on tone. I don't think his Black Rock vote looked bad, though - if he's bad, I don't think they're teammates at least. The lynch could have gone either way at that point, and he only tied it up, not put her in the lead.

Snow Dog was a bit of an afterthought when I made this, it just got so late. I don't feel confident putting him as a null read, since he's one of the most active posters. He deserves more attention than I've given him.

I'm mostly curious about your moderate town read for Long Con. I'll wait on your ISO before I comment further, though.


Lay more questions on me. I find in my current situation I'll be best motivated to participate when I've got someone expecting things from me.

Quin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Quin wrote:I would vote for either sig or Epignosis today, but I'm still interested in hearing more from sig so I'll abstain from actually voting for a bit longer.

Let's talk. Initially I'm feeling kinda better about sig based on his recent contributions, but again, I need to dig through his content in detail. (gonna start that now)

Why those two? Any thoughts on the others?

My reason for suspecting sig kind of lines up with what I've discussed with you, and my Epi suspicion rests on his approach to the 'let's cull the inactives' mindset.

motel room came back in strong, and I already had a civ tone-read on Eloh, so I could shade him as a light green read. Same to you - but I'm perhaps slightly hesitant because of your supposed record involving emotional appeals/outbursts. Nacho is my strongest town read. I like that he's come out swinging from the get-go even though he's in an unfamiliar environment.

Quin wrote:you probably need to elaborate on why those specific parts are suspicious if you want to get your point across, amigo

linki: i don't do unnecessary.

motel room wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:You're way too apologetic about your reads, feeling the need to preface each one of them with a disclaimer and insert unnecessary footnotes to clarify things that are already apparent. You seem like a baddie that's going out of his way to appear town, but you lack town boldness.

You were bad with him in Mad Max - was he doing those things?

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote:you probably need to elaborate on why those specific parts are suspicious if you want to get your point across, amigo

linki: i don't do unnecessary.

Are you sure because this post that I'm quoting here is unnecessary.

looks like your ideal world in one where your word is unquestioned and treated as gospel

which doesn't sound so bad, if only you weren't so wrong all the time

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote:you probably need to elaborate on why those specific parts are suspicious if you want to get your point across, amigo

linki: i don't do unnecessary.

Are you sure because this post that I'm quoting here is unnecessary.

looks like your ideal world in one where your word is unquestioned and treated as gospel

which doesn't sound so bad, if only you weren't so wrong all the time

Where did I ask people to believe me or agree with me? I could care less. But sure continue to misrepresent me and dig your own grave.

the two or three times you neglected to elaborate on your quin/snow dog suspicion comes to mind

Epignosis wrote:I'm going to be blunt. None of your conversations are useful in finding mafia. None.

Get thee behind me Satans.

Epignosis wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Scotty wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Y'know what...

I still think mp was bad.

I do too.

To both of you: why.

And how does that help you sort things out right now?

MP gave me a soft baddie read. If he was civ, he would have given me a hard baddie read at the time. He was disingenuous and bad.

Who cares? If you're not going to figure out who his teammates are, then who gives a shit if you're calling him bad. He's dead.

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Quin is taking advantage of the low-hanging fruit that is sig's town play in order to distract from his lack of genuine contribution.

linki - Yup, that's correct. I still don't see where the implication that I'm demanding people agree is. For the nth time, I don't care. Whether or not people agree with me has zero bearing on whether or not I'm right, and whether or not I'm right has zero bearing on whether or not people agree. Stop desperately trying to misrepresent me.

linki - yus

Quin is voting for a person he's found suspicious since day 1 but ok. Not like you ever addressed my case before this to tell me that you thought he was just low hanging fruit, you just found it convenient to throw shade at me because it seems to fit your narrative

linki: I think I look pretty good tbh zebra

DrWilgy wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Why would I be a good Second? I'm pristine.

linki - ACTUALLY CAN WE LYNCH QUIN PLEASE

Because the Boomslang boat became too real outa nuffin.

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Quin is taking advantage of the low-hanging fruit that is sig's town play in order to distract from his lack of genuine contribution.

linki - Yup, that's correct. I still don't see where the implication that I'm demanding people agree is. For the nth time, I don't care. Whether or not people agree with me has zero bearing on whether or not I'm right, and whether or not I'm right has zero bearing on whether or not people agree. Stop desperately trying to misrepresent me.

linki - yus

Quin is voting for a person he's found suspicious since day 1 but ok. Not like you ever addressed my case before this to tell me that you thought he was just low hanging fruit, you just found it convenient to throw shade at me because it seems to fit your narrative

linki: I think I look pretty good tbh zebra

No problem, you just have an amusing definition of the word "case" is all.
is there a problem, maam?

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I gave my thoughts on sig some time ago.

'sig is good because I think he's bad' does not equal legitimate thought process

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I gave my thoughts on sig some time ago.

'sig is good because I think he's bad' does not equal legitimate thought process

It does. If my ability to read someone has a record of being so bad that I've actually never been right about them, then it only makes sense for me to read them the opposite of how I'm reading them instinctively. Just because I'm thinking outside the box doesn't mean I'm not thinking. Maybe try it?

my turn

DrWilgy wrote:

Quin wrote:

Boomslang wrote:Save me by voting zebra or Quin, everyone. Or, when I flip, use that to inform the trustworthiness of MP's reads. Wilgy and Nacho could be buddying up, as we saw in very early thread.

Well that isn't very nice.

Yeah, I revoke what I said. Let him buuuurn!

Quin wrote: I didn't vote early.

Quin wrote:I voted before any wagons actually formed.

Quin wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote: I didn't vote early.

Quin wrote:I voted before any wagons actually formed.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

It's not my fault that people took their sweet time voting. I'm not staying up until 4 in the morning to do it, thx.

DrWilgy wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Quin wrote: I didn't vote early.

Quin wrote:I voted before any wagons actually formed.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Can... Can I Zebra Senpai?

Snow Dog wrote:Quiet day...

Snow Dog wrote:In fact zebra's post and vote has got me scratching my head here. What kind of assumption is that for fuck's sake?

Scotty wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Quiet day...

bollocks

Voting Snow Dog.

Oh yeah? What's your opinion on Mac tho?

And HEY MAC where are you looking to vote today?

Don't think I didn't forget about your little pickle salad on day 2.

Scotty wrote:

Scotty wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Quiet day...

bollocks

Voting Snow Dog.

Oh yeah? What's your opinion on Mac tho?

And HEY MAC where are you looking to vote today?

Don't think I didn't forget about your little pickle salad on day 2.

Wait
Never mind I seem to be forgetting. I looked back- zebra basically just called Mac and asshole, but has been consostently voting Snow Dog. It was Mac that made a statement that zebra was 100% bonafide scum.

Linki: oh well color me confused

Scotty wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:All my best friends died. Why do I want to play this game anymore? Oh come back Ian, we miss you. WELL DON'T DIE THEN!!!!!

This post seems genuine. I'm not so sure you would have been fine killing your friends so early. Which ones were your friends exactly? Epi, MP, Golden?

This is why I asked a question early on as to who would not feel comfortable killing someone as part of a larger meta. And you certainly fit the bill.

You still could have killed DF and Quin

Scotty wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:The feeling is mutual since your most recent post quoting Snow Dog is waffly as shit.

What's waffly about it?

Linki: did you even look at Quin's Mad Max game?

Snow Dog wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:In fact zebra's post and vote has got me scratching my head here. What kind of assumption is that for fuck's sake?

I mean according to your wisdom all of my posts are garbage so I'm not sure why you're so baffled by it, especially considering I've already voted for you for vague reasons twice now. Maybe...hold on a second...maybe...you're full of shit?

Is there really any need to be so rude? What is your problem?

Scotty wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Scotty wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:The feeling is mutual since your most recent post quoting Snow Dog is waffly as shit.

What's waffly about it?

Linki: did you even look at Quin's Mad Max game?

What does Quin's Mad Max game have to do with conviction? Broad strokes man, broad strokes.

And it's waffly because you gave him implicit townie points because his "all my best friends died" post seemed genuine (which it isn't AT ALL) while then going on to play with the suggestion that he could be on the baddie team that didn't kill the friends he missed. That's exactly what I mean when I say too much conviction is better than not enough. When you give a nearly equal amount of town points and baddie points to the same player for the same post, you might as well not have said anything.

So you havent read through that game. Quin was all about conviction. He voted Dom almost all (if not all) game. He was convinced Dom was bad, and wouldn't take no for an answer and backed up hiscase.. it seemed like a way-too-tunnely civ who had too much conviction. And he wasn't civ. Not at all.

As for my Snowdog post: I'm sorry you don't agree with my sentiment that it looked genuine. But we're playing with 2 teams here, and I even went on to state that even if I think he didn't kill his friends, I put out that he could have been on the team that didn't kill his friends. I fail to see the waffle. It's more of a pancake.

Snow Dog wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:In fact zebra's post and vote has got me scratching my head here. What kind of assumption is that for fuck's sake?

I mean according to your wisdom all of my posts are garbage so I'm not sure why you're so baffled by it, especially considering I've already voted for you for vague reasons twice now. Maybe...hold on a second...maybe...you're full of shit?

Is there really any need to be so rude? What is your problem?

You've got some nerve asking those two questions after your last exchange with Quin.

I don't have a clue what the fuck you are talking about you weirdo.