The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Doubling down on Bass. He was saved last day and that needs to be fixed.

Doubling down on Mac. I'm tired of him not even reading the posts accusing him. And going omgus on me after calling me a civ read multiple times early? Not classy, Mac.

Yes Im voting now. U mad? Come at me. If you guys wanna lynch me, let's make this fun.

Quin wrote:You don't think I have cause to scum-read you for trying to get me lynched because I'm not dead yet?


Okie.

Quin wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Quin wrote:You don't think I have cause to scum-read you for trying to get me lynched because I'm not dead yet?


Okie.

So your case is a No U?

No, my case is that you used the fact that I haven't been killed yet as a means to try and start a lynch train on me (and DDL) without going to any effort as to back it up with any in-thread evidence. You also expressed an interest in duelling earlier, something I expressly stated I found suspicious. It flipped a scum MP so I see no reason not to consider that against you.

Quin wrote:You don't think I have cause to scum-read you for trying to get me lynched because I'm not dead yet?


Okie.

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Quin wrote:You don't think I have cause to scum-read you for trying to get me lynched because I'm not dead yet?


Okie.

So your case is a No U?

No, my case is that you used the fact that I haven't been killed yet as a means to try and start a lynch train on me (and DDL) without going to any effort as to back it up with any in-thread evidence. You also expressed an interest in duelling earlier, something I expressly stated I found suspicious. It flipped a scum MP so I see no reason not to consider that against you.

Golden wrote:Maybe, bass, but don't you see why it could be suspicious to have a guy who asks to be in the duel but then seems upset when he actually gets the votes to take him there?

Do you want to duel, or do you not want to duel? Was that a thing where it was only at a particular point in time?

Quin wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Quin wrote:You don't think I have cause to scum-read you for trying to get me lynched because I'm not dead yet?


Okie.

Right here you say you "scum read" me because I'm trying to get you lynched. That's a No U. So which one is it?

No, it's not.

Sloonei wrote:@ BASS The main question I want answered, if you don't feel like responding to everything I just wrote, is this: Why have you singled out Quin as your suspect recently? He is not the only talkative player in the game. What makes him more suspicious than the rest?

Golden wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I have no problem dueling it's probably going to happen anyway. All I ask is if I can duel Quinn .

You seem very sure on Quin, but I don't really understand why. Is it just because you don't like the way he presented his suspicion on you, or are there other things that he has done?

Sloonei wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I want to duel Quinn because I think he is bad and I would love to be the one to beat him in a duel. I figured he felt the same. I don't see why he would decline my challenge unless he his scared he will flip bad in that case who wants a civ around you isn't welling to put their money where their mouth is.

I am sorry Bass, but none lf this makes sense to me. Suppose both of you are town. What does anyone have to gain by the two of you dueling? As of right now you've supplied us with 0 reason as to why you suspect Quin, and nothing about your wording suggests you have any special information. Perhaps you do. I don't know. But as of right now you have not even begun to convince me to vote for Quin, and I have no reason to vote for either of you. I also don't understand why you think anyone, town or scum, should invite votes right now. What if we send you to duel Quin and you lose? If you are town that's a completely unnecessary risk.
Who is your second suspect behind Quin?

Sloonei wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:The best way to describe why I want those two lynched is because I try and play with my gut and looking at every angle. I try to put myself in the mafia teams shoes. The way the mafia has played so far leads me to believe that they would want to kill both of those two before anyone else right now because Quinn has be acting super town and DDL has been one of , if not the top poster for sometime. They fit the pattern of who the mafia have been killing and yet they aren't dead. So that makes me think it's because they are the ones doing the killing. There is no sure fire way to find scum but that's the way I'm playing this game.

This makes more sense. Before it appeared that you were just singling Quin out. I do not know what kind of suspicion he has drawn in the thread throughout the game, but in the case of DDL I can assume that he would be left alone by either scum team because he's drawn a fair amount of attention himself.

What makes you go with DDL and Quin over Nutella? Or Scotty, who was near the top in terms of activity before his two days of silence?

Quin wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:The best way to describe why I want those two lynched is because I try and play with my gut and looking at every angle. I try to put myself in the mafia teams shoes. The way the mafia has played so far leads me to believe that they would want to kill both of those two before anyone else right now because Quinn has be acting super town and DDL has been one of , if not the top poster for sometime. They fit the pattern of who the mafia have been killing and yet they aren't dead. So that makes me think it's because they are the ones doing the killing. There is no sure fire way to find scum but that's the way I'm playing this game.

You think I'd establish a routine of killing high posters even though I'd wind up being the only one left?

Sloonei wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Why are the people not posting getting a pass in the lynches ?

Because we have no substantial reason to suspect them. It's natural, and wise, for us to dissect the content that is in the thread, so it's only natural that we focus on the people who are making posts. I agree that it's annoying to have so many inactives in a game. But they're all complete shots in the dark, if we want to pursue them. That might not be a terrible idea. I think we've already done it a few times.

nutella wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I do think there is merit to Bass's line of suspicion. It's fair to speculate that a vocal player alive this late in the game might be left alive this long because they're the ones doing the killing. BUT we also have two scum teams, and it's also never a surefire thing that scums will just pick off the most vocal players one-by-one. There is more strategy to the game than that. That said, I understand where he is coming from and, based on the tone of his posts, I feel like it is coming from a genuine place.

That said, I also am still town-reading Quin, based on tone and content of his posts throughout the game. I am not inclined to vote for either of them right now.

I mostly agree with this post, but I am significantly more suspicious of Bass now than I was earlier today. His responses have been unsatisfying especially in regards to why he singled out Quin and not DDL -- he has now said DDL is his other vote as if it was obvious, now that I have brought it up multiple times, yet he has never directly responded to any of my multiple questions to him.

Golden wrote:I'm townreading bass too. I won't be voting that way.

Scotty said he would get back to responding to my points, but he never did.

Elo's points about simon have led me to drop my simon suspicion.

I'm voting for scotty and DDL.

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I just did not get any dishonest vibes from him at any ooint yesterday. His strategy made more sense to me the more he fleshed it out, and I see no reason for a scum player to have taken the strategy that he used to such great lengths. He completely gambled with his life in this game and won. I don't see a bad guy doing that so confidently.

What do you think about him being so determined to face me personally in a lynch, then turning around and doing the same thing with Luffy when my name didn't stick?

Quin wrote:I didn't vote yesterday (my fault) but I definitely want to see Bass up again.

Sloonei wrote:That is a bit of a head scratcher. He never dropped his suspicion of you, but he did go from being especially vocal about wanting to lynch you to being okay with DDL instead without much attention or anything. At the start his eagerness to be sent to the duel was abot his confidence that you were bad, but as the votes took shape he continued to be content with dueling against DDL, like the target was never really relevant in the first place.

I wonder why he was so confident about his chances in that duel, but there's so many unknown factors to really make an alignment judgment off of that.

Quin wrote:Bass, why don't you do your own ISO of me, for shits and giggles?

Quin wrote:

Scotty wrote:I have a free second.

Epignosis wrote:

Dear Scotty,

I'm not Bass_the_Clever, I'm the f******* lizard king.

Yours,

Thanks for talking directly to me and lying about it. Russ was the lizard king.
I take back what I said- you said on Day 3 that Dom was saved, which would be kinda silly to do if you were Dom. I no longer think you are Dom.

Let me also talk directly to Sloonei:
I mentioned last night that it's a bad look for you to not have looked at Days 1 and 2. Ironically, I think those are the days that have the most information to be gleaned. After all, we caught 2 Nanman in a row, and have voting records to sift through! I'm leaning slight Mafia on you for that, as well as just realizing you replaced Bubbles, who was one of my Mafia reads from the day 1 lynch. I totally forgot why I dropped that suspicion, but then again I'm so busy these days I forgot what I ate for dinner last night.

@SLOONEI do me a favor and read through days 1 and 2. The "fresh perspective" thing is useful in a vacuum, but this is not a vacuum.

May I also review the battle histories, in case you all forgot..(I forgot and had to dig them up. After day 2, my inferences are scarce so I guess that's mostly to jog my memory):
Day 1: I defeated DrWilgy. He was Nanman. The lynch snuck up on both of us in about the last 30 minutes and I regrettably had nothing to do in that lynch besides be a pawn. But I did defeat a Mafia member, so I HOPE TO COME BACK TO THIS LYNCH

Day 2: Russ defeated MM. He was Nanman. Omg there's so much information on voting. It makes Dom actually look good, since MM tried to vote both he and Russ to save himself. We know Russ was good. Other people could be looked at as potentially dropping in save votes towards the end. I invite everyone to look at the vote progression there and make your judgments. I hope to look there again on my next break.

Day 3: Sorsha defeated timmer. Timmer was a civ warrior. This bodes well for Sorsha to the extent that odds are she was a warrior as well, though that's wholly inconclusive. The timmer train got crazy at the end of the day, and Sorsha and caps steadily rose throughout the day.

Day 4: Russ defeated MP. MP was Yellow Turban. The vote was tied between MP, Glorf and Bass, with Russ only 1 vote up because of a last second vote by nutella.

Day 5: Caps defeated DP. DP was a civ warrior. DP had a healthy train going and only had caps and Mac behind him. Dunno what to make of this one yet.

Day 6: DDL defeated caps. Caps was a civ warrior. Pretty straightforward vote, except Bass was tied with DDL, thanks to a saving vote from Nutella. Since we know both caps and DDL were civs, we knew Mafia had nothing to lose for voting them. Bass could have been a save opportunity though.

Day 7: Bass defeated DDL. DDL was a civ warrior. IM SEEING A PATTERN HERE. Bass and DDL had huge trains and it didn't look like anything else was going to happen today. Makes Bass look good. He probably was not "saved" the day before in the sense that his knowing teammate saved him.

Day 8: Bass defeated Russ. Russ was civ warrior. So at this point Bass has amassed 2 treasures and looks really good. For some reason he and Russ kept getting pushed to battle. There was no clear runner up to battle against them.

Anyone notice that the trains get going on people battling the day before or the day before that? And in the end, we're getting no closer.

I propose tomorrow we send up 2 people that haven't ever battled, because if the pattern continues, 1) we might just get nowhere and 2) we're running out of people that have battled before, me being one of them

I don't think Bass is bad after looking at that, and think we should leave him alone. What do y'all think?

It's quite obvious who he is. He's thellama73.

I don't know about your proposal tbh. Just on principle, I'm not likely to abandoned my scum reads just because they've won a few duels and have some items. In this scenario, I don't know whether I'll vote Bass again, even though he is STILL trying to push some nonsense against me. We'll see.