The Syndicate

MM, if I ever say I can read you, fishslap me, K?

I am now a Marmot. RIP MM.

I sucked as a civ in Film, and I suck still

Went with Wabash, cause I like the word Wabash.

It's a hard thread to tl;dr to be honest. Too much intensity, it's hard to leave anything out. I don't think anyone is dissing you Sophie.

Maybe now that Golden is talking again he can attempt it.

LizKeen wrote:I'm so very sorry I missed today. My kids are on spring break and I was just epically busy today and I left without my cell phone so I missed the vote. TBH, I'm not sure how I would have voted as anything I said about SVS doesn't seem to hold water with anyone else but at the same time I warned about an easy lynch target so I wouldn't have voted MM either. I've spent the last 2+ hours just catching up on today and making notes.

Current thoughts highlighted:

S~V~S wrote:And I believe Zomba could be bad, too. But the thread went this way I was hoping to get a thread consensus before people started voting. I would have been OK with a Zomba lynch, too.
Why didn't you say this before people started voting?

Um, I did. I made it clear that until the case on MM was made, that Zomba was my major suspect. I was starting to build up on her, in the thread, after she basically misconstrued my take on the will into a support of her when it was no such thing.

If you mean the part about getting a consensus, I did say so:

S~V~S wrote:
I am going to suggest that no one vote for MM unless we seem to have a majority consensus to do so. Isolate him, as it were. I don't mind keeping him around for a while. I like jokes and banter as much as the next person.

Then someone started voting before that happened.

LizKeen wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:

I want to hear why she suspects me before I say anything bad about her. I don't want the No U argument thrown in my face. She suspected me, I want to know why.
Rabbit, it's going to be tomorrow night before I start in with suspects again because I want to have all the info I can before I start working on it. This game is so epically time-consuming. (Speaking of which could discussion of sports and music be put in O/T green so we know it's not game related? Lest I start inundating the thread with youtube vidoes of my current favorite singer, Hozier.

This confuses me; you can't give rabbit a tl;dr? A quick synopsis? Oh wait, he said he suspected you but won't say why until he knows why YOU suspect him? And you're going to make him wait on that answer? Seems legit.

Also, yesterday I asked you this re my case on BF, and what was "odd" about it:

Can you expound on this? What was odd about it? That I was wrong? You're never wrong in Mafia? I hung my ass over the ledge out there over that becasue I was sure I was right. Wrong bad SVS (and tbh wrong bad ANYBODY) does not go balls to the walls on Day One for someone whose role they don't know who is not personally a threat to them.

Seriously, what about "the way" I suspected him is off to you?

And I really want to know why it was off (other than him ending up a civvie. But he knew what he was looking at, more than once, he called me "misguided"). Which reminds me, I saw that you said your suspect list was based on who BF suspected (although you apparently used who voted for him as well? ). He did not suspect me, he thought I was misguided. Which I assuredly was. And apparently still am.

I look forward to your other cases, and hope you don't keep Rabbit waiting too long

I am looking forward to today

Hooray for no death

Golden wrote:Hooray for no PM telling me I'm silenced.

Well someone got that PM. Let's keep an eye out.

Also, not sure whose will that is in the paper. I still have Zombas will

Top Posters (I doubt they silenced A Person, lol):

Metalmarsh89 160 Dead
Golden 155 Talking
Epignosis 124 Talking
Turnip Head 120
S~V~S 109 Talking
rabbit8 105 Talking
Long Con

So it is possibly someone else, but likely LC or TH. Both usually post overnight, so we should know soonish. I also wonder if TH could have been silenced, since Epi was insanified. They both had a similar suspicion. I would guess either they are protecting Liz with an implied frame or actually framing Liz.

The post in the NP about the will also leads me to be more leery of Zomba. This post intrigues me immensely. After I read it, I PMed the host to double check that I had the will. And I did. So either it is another will or...

I have a theory that the person who was supposed to be NKed may have been me since the killer is supposedly in possession of the will in that message; had I died, the BB of Bremen WOULD have had the will. The baddies can't steal items, they have to kill for them. Now there is not a gossip/message to the thread type role. So it must be a function of the Doctor, or of Gilchrist. Who is the person the message purports to be the writer of the will.

I really, really doubt Llama would allow Gilchrist to make this post, if it is his power, since a PLAYER name has been attached to the will. So I think this is a message from the baddies, tbh. The main sticking point here is that how would they know the real Gilchrist would not say, "SHENANIGANS!!!"

Have not figured that out yet.

*Waits to be pelted with rotten vegetables*

What do you think of your main accuser being insanified?

Do you think you could be the person they thought might be an easy lynch?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Yay no one died. Also could SVS be bad and have the will a the same time? I'm only asking because i dont know anything about the will.

Um, no. that is not possible. Well, anything is possible, but that is not true.

And I need to make a clarification; I have no idea if I was a target last night. I do know I was told by the host that my Buddha lost his Silvery Glow last night. I was never told what the silvery glow actually did. I am guessing, not knowing.

Linki, OH, OK I misunderstood you, too. Becasue I thought you meant you heard this last night before they stole your tubes. Like maybe you got a short listen in.

Epignosis wrote:
LizKeen wrote:MM, that's why I kept saying to be careful.

And Epi being insanified I would guess is a ploy to make me look bad. Possibly cooked up by him and his teammates.

Oh and welcome Bass.

Ds ths mn LzKn wll gt lnchd?

I would rather lynch Zomba, tbh. That will story stinks of rotten fish to high hell, IMO. But I also would like to see who turns up silenced today. It has to be either LC or TH imo, and both of them generally post later in the evening. If it is TH, then I am wondering if this is not a frame. Silencing & insanifying her two biggest accusers is a bit overkill, yes?

Linki, Juliets I believe he is referring to the NP which says that Blondie Beastie has the will.

I, on the other hand, have red hair, have never been to Bremen and am totally not beast like (at least not in this game

)

Bass_the_Clever wrote:
juliets wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Yay no one died. Also could SVS be bad and have the will a the same time? I'm only asking because i dont know anything about the will.
Bass LC did a summary of the will part of this game for you. Take a look at his posts. He explained it well.
Thanks for reminding me.

You know my baddie game pretty well, Bass. You thinking this is it?

That may have to get sigged, so I remember it happened.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:
juliets wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Yay no one died. Also could SVS be bad and have the will a the same time? I'm only asking because i dont know anything about the will.
Bass LC did a summary of the will part of this game for you. Take a look at his posts. He explained it well.
Thanks for reminding me.
You know my baddie game pretty well, Bass. You thinking this is it?
I'm not really sure yet. I think it would be a ballsy to push to get zomba lynched when you have something to gain from it either way. If she is bad you look good and if she isn't then you get whatever she has. So it's a win win if i'm understanding everything.

It would be ballsy. And you know I am a ballsy player. But so are a lot of other people in this game. We have a regular ballsy-a-thon going on right here. Let me know when you are sure

Linki~ I had a theory, it's a few posts back. I think the baddies posted that, and I think they expected me to be dead, but Buddha saved me

yay Buddha

What do YOU think that post means? I think we should all talk about it. It is very interesting.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Yay no death! I'm awfully curious as to who ended up getting silenced for today. I think potentially who it is will say a lot.

I'm still feeling confident about Zomba. Extremely confident even.

Linki: I guess I get that for letting this sit for 10+ minutes. But SVS, your Buddha losing it's silvery sheen could possibly mean you were targeted for a NK and it protected you. At least, that's what I'm thinking.

I agree re the silencing~ and yeah. First I see no one died, and the BBB has a civvies will, and then I get the PM about Buddha

I still love him even if he is not so shiny anymore.

It seems a fairly straight progression to me, but

Linki @ Juliets, no I did not miss your question. I directed you to a post I made earlier where I explained my thoughts about the will mentioned in the night post.

S~V~S wrote:Top Posters (I doubt they silenced A Person, lol):

Metalmarsh89 160 Dead
Golden 155 Talking
Epignosis 124 Talking
Turnip Head 120
S~V~S 109 Talking
rabbit8 105 Talking
Long Con

So it is possibly someone else, but likely LC or TH. Both usually post overnight, so we should know soonish. I also wonder if TH could have been silenced, since Epi was insanified. They both had a similar suspicion. I would guess either they are protecting Liz with an implied frame or actually framing Liz.

The post in the NP about the will also leads me to be more leery of Zomba. This post intrigues me immensely. After I read it, I PMed the host to double check that I had the will. And I did. So either it is another will or...

I have a theory that the person who was supposed to be NKed may have been me since the killer is supposedly in possession of the will in that message; had I died, the BB of Bremen WOULD have had the will. The baddies can't steal items, they have to kill for them. Now there is not a gossip/message to the thread type role. So it must be a function of the Doctor, or of Gilchrist. Who is the person the message purports to be the writer of the will.

I really, really doubt Llama would allow Gilchrist to make this post, if it is his power, since a PLAYER name has been attached to the will. So I think this is a message from the baddies, tbh. The main sticking point here is that how would they know the real Gilchrist would not say, "SHENANIGANS!!!"

Have not figured that out yet.

This post, Jules. It's a wild theory, but I'm a wild gal.

Vompatti wrote:
LizKeen wrote: As for Vompatti, well, this is the sum total of her posts this game: [--]
I love that even after having removed that seemingly feminine quote about quilting I'm still being considered a gril.

And honestly, that avatar is the least feminine avi ever. Your old Avi was cute. But maybe not the manliest.

That post says the will is the will of Gilchrist. I don't believe this to be true.

And Jules, no one ever said Liz had a will. Or anyone but Zomba.

nd Zmb?

Sorry Dom, I meant to but i forgot. Yes, usually i do have an opinion. I generally think you are a civvie. The more reasonable you sound the more likely to be bad you are (which is why I never get it when people think you are bad for saying "wot" etc.)

I have no opinion, you seem blendier, or maybe just quieter. I go long stretches when i forget you are playing. You are one of my favorite people, so forgetting you are playing makes me go hmmm. I also know you are busy, so

And re the theory, I think the baddies, the BBB, meant to kill me. My Buddha is dim

Had I died, the BB would have had the will, as the post says he does. I am not him, honest injun. The post also says that the will is the will of Gilchrist (or Gilfrid?) who is the civvie chaos role. There is not a message to the thread role except the poet. So this message has to come from the baddies (the Dr) or Gilfrid/christ. The message had to come from the baddies though, since it says the baddie killer has the will. He would have gotten it had I died ( the baddies have no item stealer).

The only thing I am having problems figuring out is how they keep real Gilchrist from whistle blowing. Convoluted a bit, but I think it is a fairly straight progressing. It would not have occurred to me had my Buddha not dimmed.

Linki x many, wow they explained it much better than I.

Good Morning

Yeah, when I got my item, I had no idea it did anything, all I was told was that I walked away from a shop with it, pleased with its silvery glow.

This is who is alive:

A Person
Bass_the_Clever Posted
birdwithteeth11 Posted
Black Rock 2.0 Posted
Bullzeye
Canucklehead
DFaraday
DisgruntledPorcupine
Dom Posted
Elohcin Posted
Epignosis Posted
fingersplints
Golden Posted
juliets Posted
LizKeen Posted
Long Con Posted
rabbit8 Posted
Sophie Posted
S~V~S Posted
Turnip Head
Vompatti Posted
Zomberella12

A Person
Bullzeye
Canucklehead
DFaraday
DisgruntledPorcupine
Fingersplints
Turnip Head
Zomberella

This is who has not posted. Last night I only narrowed it down by high posters.

This is the top ten living posters (sorry Dom, for characterizing you as quiet. You apparently are not):

Golden
Epignosis
S~V~S
Turnip Head
rabbit8
Long Con
juliets
Zombarella
Dom
Black Rock

Of this group, only TH & Zomba have not posted. Since TH has been on site, and the last post Zomba made anywhere was here, on Tuesday Night, 10:42 Eastern:

Zombarella wrote:I am interested in a possible Liz Keen case. Her comment to me about my vote pinged me. It was moot, but it pinged me just the same.

I think it is more likely to be TH silenced. Zomba has been quiet since well before the post, and quite possibly has not even been here to have picked up a PM hypothetically silencing her. I really hope she shows up, because I am sure a lot of people want to talk to her. And I don't think it would be fair to Liz to lynch her just becasue the other prime candidate is a no show, even if a top poster. It would be weak, tbh.

I am having problems with the power play that happened last night. Epi insanified, TH silenced; the people suspecting Liz the most. Then me possibly targeted with an NK, and a planted story that could only have come from baddies expecting me to be dead, basically slotting Zomba into a civ role. But both an insanification & a false message from the baddies? They have only one chaos role, but they do have items. This could be WIFOMed into so many different scenarios. I was thinking that BR 1.0 could have been Gildrick too, like I think Golden said, but then one of the two chaos roles would be gone, but again, items. I also don't think it is a Darrell story, although i think it is set up to look like one. I still have that will, and I am NOT the BBB, or any baddie.

Oh well, hed asploding before work, lol. Should be a fun day

Liz I am having problems thinking a bad team would be soo obvious. Which leads me to frame. Also way obvious. He'd ssplodes. Boom.

I don't think Zimbabwe is silenced since I don't think she has been here to pick up her PM if she was. I am much more inclined to vote her than you at this stage, Liz.

Ha ha that should be Zomba, but I left the autocorrect since its funny.

Awe I missed hed asplodes

Fixed

Long Con wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:Also I would actually like to lynch Zomba before either Epi or Liz.
Agreed. The S~V~S case on her is pretty solid.

What if she's silenced?

I don't have a case on her, I have s theory. She has pinged lots of folks not just me.

I think its much more likely that TH is silenced. Do you have a reason to think she is rather than TH?

She hasn't even been here since before the night ended to have picked up a PM

Canucklehead wrote:One thing I wanted to mention about SVS' compelling theory about the newspaper article: much of the action in the recent RR game revolved around messages that were assumed to be from the host but we're actually written by players impersonating the host on both sides of the civ/baddie divide, and as a result much chaos ensued. This makes me consider the possibility that, if SVS' theory is correct, that perhaps at least one of the baddies was someone heavily involved in the RR game, most likely someone who lasted a fair while OR someone who kept involved by following along until quite late.
Zomba definitely fits the bill there.

Obviously this observation is not airtight. Impersonating host messages is hardly a new idea, and non-RR players could certainly have implemented it without being aware of its use in RR.....but I do think it's an interesting connection, and something to keep in mind if SVS is right about the article.

I thought it was meant yo impersonate the reporter role.I doubt llama would make a post using a role name, Gilfrick as the wills writer.

Golden wrote:Yes juliets. But if SVS had died - would you have been able to see it as coming from llama?

That's my point. It didn't come from llama, but the reason I don't think it was a frame job is because I think we might have assumed it was from llama if SVS had died. Since, obviously, the baddies wouldn't have had a chance to see what the will said anyway yet...

As with MM yesterday, though, I think if Zombs is bad she is probably the millionaire, so I'm not intending to put a vote on her unless I can see the vote is going that way.

I will he happy to explain anything you need explained later, Juliets. After work.

Wrong post quoted.

Linki, I was kinda agreeing with you that it was a false message, canuck. If you meant the host pm being impersonated, llama and I talked about the glowy Buddha. So I think the actual PM really came from him.

Another interesting possibility.

But who put it in the night post? The host doesn't just put stuff onto the post.

rabbit8 wrote:So we are actually going to wait for the info dump now?

Seriously.

Long Con wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:One thing I wanted to mention about SVS' compelling theory about the newspaper article: much of the action in the recent RR game revolved around messages that were assumed to be from the host but we're actually written by players impersonating the host on both sides of the civ/baddie divide, and as a result much chaos ensued. This makes me consider the possibility that, if SVS' theory is correct, that perhaps at least one of the baddies was someone heavily involved in the RR game, most likely someone who lasted a fair while OR someone who kept involved by following along until quite late.
Zomba definitely fits the bill there.

Obviously this observation is not airtight. Impersonating host messages is hardly a new idea, and non-RR players could certainly have implemented it without being aware of its use in RR.....but I do think it's an interesting connection, and something to keep in mind if SVS is right about the article.
I thought it was meant yo impersonate the reporter role.I doubt llama would make a post using a role name, Gilfrick as the wills writer.
Ok, my bad for mishaps terrifying your theory, but I was just suggesting that impersonating other voices was a feature of RR, and there might be some overlap between people involved in that game, and people who might be likely to attempt something similar here.
You are like a one-woman Insanifier sometimes.
I agree that it's unlikely that Llama would publish that newspaper article with the knowledge that the kill didn't go through. And it's just weird anyway, what's it supposed to be if it's from Llama? Some sort of bone to throw to Zombarella for BF permanently throwing her name into the mix on Day One? Hint that she's Gilrick and let us all run with it?

I disagree. Although not about the autocorrects.s.

LC I guess I have to reread it when not on phone. I probably did misunderstand.

Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:OK, Epi, questions. Sorry for asking you questions while you can't use vowels. Mind you, you are the one bringing up a new theory, so I'm not that sorry.

Yesterday, you seemed (to me) to agree with the zombs theory that SVS and I were talking about. Today, you have espoused what appears to be a different theory.

So what I want to know is this:

Was I correct in thinking that you can see the merit in yesterday's zombs theory?

Have you now moved away from thinking that is correct? Or can you just see two different possibilities? Or do you think the two theories are somehow linked and part of one unified theory (a la Einstein)?

Have you, as of now, identified any candidate for the 'sudden case' you are looking for?
Th ndrlnd. Jst nw thght pgnss hd.

& N. Glrck slncd?

Long Con wrote:
Golden wrote:My own personal thoughts, though, on Epi's theory.

It would have to be one hell of a coincidence if:

1) The blond beast targetted SVS, thus was about to be the beneficiary of the will we all already know about if she died; AND
2) Gilrick had a role check masquerading as 'you are the beneficiary of my will', and he happened to target the blond beast.
Indeed... Epig's "theory" would imply that he thinks S~V~S is lying... or that this grand coincidence happened.
SVS ddn't thnk ppgnss thght sh ws tllng ls.

No, she doesn't think that at all. My theory is a theory, based on what I think happened. It could be wrong. the more options out on the table, the more we can analyze the data we have. I happen to prefer my theory

but opposing thoughts are good.

Just got home got some stuff to do, bbl.

I hate voting for someone who is not around to represent. But I really don't think she was silenced. I think she is avoiding the thread. I hope she does not have RL, becasue i know she is REALLY into this whole mafia thing. So either she CAN'T get here, or she is avoiding coming here.

I have never faux silenced myself, and don't criticize those who do so; to each his own. But it isn't my favorite tactic.

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:For the record I'm not silenced, to the surprise of not very many.

As for Zomb, yeah I'm conflicted about that.

Have you ever been silenced?

Well, Zombarella is in the house. Will she stop in and say hello?

I did not build a case. And if i was a Celestial, they're not baddies, Sweetie.

Linki,

Linki again, it isn't my bandwagon

that was the image.

I could care what you have.

I had one thing, a shiny statue. Of Buddha, who is awesome. And someone tried to do something to me, and Buddha protected me, but now he's just like a tchotchke, not special. He lost his glow.

I want the baddie people who took my Buddhas specialness from me to pay, tbh.

Linki, I think you are the one not reading the thread, Zomba.

I am hoping someone else votes for Zomba overnight. I think the game rules will out weigh the item, and whoever votes for her first gets her "fortune". Which she has already said was worthless.

Linki, um no I don't. I gave you lots of BOTD.

Linki, Zomba, I don't make up stuff.

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