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$700 rob

Long Con wrote:Wow, Splintsy. Wow.

Yes. I can thank my wonderful husband for that. I even outbid myself once there in the craziness of trying to win that

Another good result. BIH Penn. Railroad

Bye hedgie

boo, is there any way we can know who else is being replaced still?
I'm thinking maybe Ash. or SD

I hate modkillings, but I also hate the idea of boo not being able to run his fun event he had planned :/
It's cool boo, I don't have to know who. I generally just like to know so I don't consider someone being sketchy for low posting, when its RL related, but I think that there is plenty of other suspects atm that won't have to go the low poster route anyways :P

yay no death

Can some reiterate the case on TH please?

thellama73 wrote:
fingersplints wrote:yay no death

Can some reiterate the case on TH please?
Yes.

Thank you. I will read it later tonight. I wonder why Boogs just ignored my question. If he wants me to believe him that isn't the way to go about it. What do you feel about Boogs? Do you think he can be a utility?

Boogs wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
fingersplints wrote:yay no death

Can some reiterate the case on TH please?
Yes.
Thank you. I will read it later tonight. I wonder why Boogs just ignored my question. If he wants me to believe him that isn't the way to go about it. What do you feel about Boogs? Do you think he can be a utility?
What question did I need to answer? Why TH is bad?

Yes. Like I said, if you want people to believe you would seem you would try a little harder to convince them.

Boogs wrote:I wasn't the one who presented the case, it was Llama and i agreed he was right. You can click the link of his case he provided above here and read it yourself too if you forgot the case.

I plan on reading it which is why I asked for it.

The point I am trying to make that was if you really believed TH was bad you would have answered my question when I asked it. By the time llama answered it you had posted 6 times about other things.
I like how you are already trying to make it clear you did not present the case though. Already trying to shift blame, eh?

Long Con wrote:Reading some of the keen detective work tonight... just thought I'd do a friendly PSA: Don't disregard the sparkling gems of information that fall from Long Con's mouth!

Here's a couple of posts from last Friday.

Long Con wrote:I was looking at the Pastebin to confirm juliets' observations, and I just wanted to say "HA HA Waterworks, you only made 4x the dice roll instead of 10x! Burn in hell, Electric Company!"

Long Con wrote:I also believe I recall one of the rules in bidding is that you have to beat the last person's bid by what you bid, possible $200 bonus notwithstanding. So Turnip Head would have had to bid $11 in order to beat Lorab's $205.

Good job LC

The site or my internet is acting up, or both. Either way, I'm going to vote Boogs now. The case on him is stronger then the case on TH. None of his reactions are what I'd expect from a civvie Boogs.
I might change still, but will be a busy day for me tomorrow, so would rather vote now just in case.

Boogs wrote:Whatever. Hope you both go next and they actually see both your deception as the real baddies. Dont even care anymore. I get voted out by half non participators for actually playing.

I don't think most of the people who voted for you are non participators :/

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Boogs wrote:Screw the voters on me

300on every power
Lol, this is a lot like monopoly with my family.

Also a lot like when hedgeowl was lynched.

sorry Boogs

Epig

Who are you thinking though? There are several.

Turnip Head wrote:What does everyone think of Keys? MP and Zeek are getting flak for being quieter than usual... Keys barely even seems like he's here. I can't remember the last time he posted, nor can I remember any of his contributions beyond the union idea he had on Day 1.

If the reds lost one of their monopoly members to an NK, would the remaining two be forced to sell their houses?

I'm beginning to wonder about him. His earlier actions reminded me of his civvie game. But, I'm getting worried he might be WW. He has missed sending in a kill once before when I have hosted him. (similar partner scenario and this level of disinterest) I cannot figure why he would have desperately tried to outbid me for that ability the other night when he hasn't even been playing.
I think he voted LC over bwt as well.

I don't know though. it's really hard to get an accurate read with all these people not even playing.

Today has been insanely busy for me.

I don't know that I want to follow MP's vote on llama, because I don't really trust him this game. I don't understand how TH can narrow LC down to a couple of colors. That seems incredibly sketchy to me. I haven't been able to narrow down anyone except that they aren't my color. So I'm going to vote there, but I will hopefully be around later and be able to change if something else presents itself.

happy birthday btw

llama

MovingPictures07 wrote:
fingersplints wrote:Today has been insanely busy for me.

I don't know that I want to follow MP's vote on llama, because I don't really trust him this game. I don't understand how TH can narrow LC down to a couple of colors. That seems incredibly sketchy to me. I haven't been able to narrow down anyone except that they aren't my color. So I'm going to vote there, but I will hopefully be around later and be able to change if something else presents itself.

happy birthday btw
Also, I wanted to point out this post too.

Why don't you really trust me this game? I mean, you shouldn't probably trust anyone, but I'm curious why you dropped this.

Also, this vote strikes me as illogical. I also had LC narrowed down to a likely Light Blue/Reds because of my theory AND because many of the posts LC has made have been of the "I may be LMS but I'm not the threat!!!" implications in them. Even though he wasn't connected to Llama, that doesn't change the fact that many of LC's posts have implied that content. So I don't understand why TH deserved your vote just because he thought LC was an LMSer.

I do not see the same things in LC's posts which are apparently obvious to you. He has said he has one btsc partner. I do not think anyone would try to imply they are LMS. Like I said, I have not been able to narrow it down so much so I do not understand how TH has, or you for that matter. Just because you disagree it does not make it "illogical"

I do not trust you because of your general blendiness, unwillingness to see other sides, and who has been targeted for NKs I am beginning to believe you might be a railroad.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Does Ninjablooper even realize she's playing this game? She signed up for Cars Mafia today. Meanwhile she hasn't posted in this game in ~3 weeks.
That's more recently than Degobunny has posted.

I think Ninja blooper is civ. She posts more when she is bad. No idea about Degobunny.

Degobunny has been posting on ksite. She usually is loads more active, but I'm not sure if I have seen her baddie game tbhh or not and she is much more comfortable over there then here.

Could be. She isn't the only one who struggles with the change. It seems to work both ways as well.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Now I'm scared to go over there.

I don't personally understand it, but I seem to be the minority in that

linki About the Real names. i learned most of them they used pretty quickly. I try not to use them in games, but loads of people on this site seem to do it as well.

more linki

zeek

who are the three?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
fingersplints wrote:Today has been insanely busy for me.

I don't know that I want to follow MP's vote on llama, because I don't really trust him this game. I don't understand how TH can narrow LC down to a couple of colors. That seems incredibly sketchy to me. I haven't been able to narrow down anyone except that they aren't my color. So I'm going to vote there, but I will hopefully be around later and be able to change if something else presents itself.

happy birthday btw
Also, I wanted to point out this post too.

Why don't you really trust me this game? I mean, you shouldn't probably trust anyone, but I'm curious why you dropped this.

Also, this vote strikes me as illogical. I also had LC narrowed down to a likely Light Blue/Reds because of my theory AND because many of the posts LC has made have been of the "I may be LMS but I'm not the threat!!!" implications in them. Even though he wasn't connected to Llama, that doesn't change the fact that many of LC's posts have implied that content. So I don't understand why TH deserved your vote just because he thought LC was an LMSer.
I do not see the same things in LC's posts which are apparently obvious to you. He has said he has one btsc partner. I do not think anyone would try to imply they are LMS. Like I said, I have not been able to narrow it down so much so I do not understand how TH has, or you for that matter. Just because you disagree it does not make it "illogical"

I do not trust you because of your general blendiness, unwillingness to see other sides, and who has been targeted for NKs I am beginning to believe you might be a railroad.
Well, I really thought that's what he's been implying, but I suppose it's possible I'm wrong. I really hate it because I thought for once I was onto something totally spot on, but Llama's reveal made me realize that I think I pursued something heavily and it was incorrect. Just because LC has said he has one BTSC partner really means nothing to me; he made plenty of defenses against accusations of mine earlier that really read to me like he was claiming "I'm not a threat!!" but didn't ever rebut the LMS suggestion.

Unwillingness to see other sides? Sure. I get that. I wanted to listen to my gut because I feel I doubt myself too much. Well, I guess there's a reason I do.

Posting less? Sure. Building less cases? Sure. But general blendiness? I'm not sure how you see my behavior this game as blendy: I crusaded with my LC and Llama theory with practically no one backing me up, I was the only one to say zeek was a civvie to my knowledge... etc. So I feel I've been just as opinionated and active in original suspicions as almost anyone else this game, probably much more so than many, so I don't understand your perception. I appreciate your elaboration, but you're wrong about me. And I'm not sure what who has been targeted for NKs has to do with me either.

Once again I feel we're not seeing eye to eye and that's why you're suspecting me.

This is just not true and you are trying to use it to discredit my opinions. I don't see eye to eye with loads of people, but I don't suspect them for it. I suspect you because I think you are bad.

I say "general blendiness" because you have only "crusaded" LC and llama. I have noticed a civvie you generally likes to give opinions on more players on almost everyone, which I haven't noticed you doing as much this game. Maybe its that you are busy? But also maybe you just aren't as interested in finding baddies?

You generally post a lot as both, but with saying less as a baddie, if that makes sense. Which is what I have seen here. I don't think the "probably much more than many" holds much weight here. So many people are barely playing, do you really want to be compared to them?

Epig has posted several times that there are "baddie tells" that you do, and I think SVS knows you pretty well. That is what I mean by who has been killed. More so then anyone else this game I can see why you would want them dead.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm not trying to discredit your opinion; I just know you're wrong. It seems you suspect me because my playstyle this game is different because I'm really busy and distracted and posting less. Sure, all of that is true. But it doesn't mean I'm less interested in finding baddies just because I'm not manically throwing names out all over the thread. I did that enough in DW and I just don't feel as invested this game (not boo's fault, it's really entirely due to my schedule). And for when I am a baddie, what you said is just not true. If anything, I throw out more opinions when I'm bad. And regarding the "probably much more than many", I just find it odd you single me out for that when there are plenty of other players who have contributed to the same or lesser degree than me.

Epig is always very opinionated when he even slightly thinks I am bad, and in 5 whole cycles he never said anything against me. I haven't killed anyone.

You have offered less to say something about though. So maybe Epig just didn't get a chance to say it, or was busy finding the other baddies that he was lynching. It's really hard to say here, but as I said, I can see you having reason to kill both of them.

Being distracted and posing less doesn't make you good either. Why do you think you should get a free pass based on it?

I'm not twisting your words. You are the one throwing the "I'm so busy" card out there and how you posting less doesn't make you bad. All I am saying is it doesn't make you good either.

I do not know your role, and I do not believe it is a civvie one. I am allowed to suspect you. I am not sure why that would make you resentful.

linki. You asked me a question, and I responded. And then it went back and forth from there. No where did I "push" anything.

However, I do agree with you that keys deserves reexamining. I stand by my "keys might be WW" idea. He has missed kills before when I have hosted him, and I think he voted with bwt. And again, there is no reason for him to have tried to outbid me on that rob. I think if he was a civvie he would have let me have it.

I think LC has good points but I think TH is more likely to be a railroad.
I do not believe he would waste a kill purposefully, and I do not think he would go against bwt that early if he was his teammate. I have been teammates with TH twice fairly recently, and he is a very team oriented player.

Turnip Head wrote:
fingersplints wrote:However, I do agree with you that keys deserves reexamining. I stand by my "keys might be WW" idea. He has missed kills before when I have hosted him, and I think he voted with bwt. And again, there is no reason for him to have tried to outbid me on that rob. I think if he was a civvie he would have let me have it.
Keys didn't vote for BWT. He voted for LC about halfway through Day 3. Epi brought up his case on BWT a little while after that, but Keys did not post again during that lynch.

Then on Day 4, keys posted once ontopic to vote for Hedgeowl, and then rest of his posts that day were trying to outbid splints for the rob power, which he lost.

Night 4 was the night of the missing Water Works kill.

Keys did not post at all from Day 4 up until his one post yesterday (Day 6) where he voted for me.

On Night 6, Water Works killed again.

Is this supposed to argue for or against the idea?

Turnip Head wrote:
bea wrote:hi domodom! what say you sir?

I'm late in the game so I'd like to hear what you think about everything outside of your normal lacky comments. fill a sista up please
I do believe Dom is modding. Hahaha.

Maybe he is secretly playing and is just another low poster.

keys56000000000 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:I'm just pointing out the facts. It looks like Keys was not around for the missed kill, and returned just before last night's kill.
a) I'm around.

b) I would never miss an opportunity to nightkill one of you motherfuckers.

@MP: how the fuck does my d1 union agenda benefit the rail roads? fucking lol. later.

You have missed a NK before though. When I hosted that Christmas themed game with Shiny a few years back on thepiano, you missed sending in your NK as the Snow Miser one night.

Unfortunately I can't prove it since that site is no longer.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Splints, thanks for your thoughts, you have some good insight. Definitely worth keeping in mind. Do you think keys would contribute more if he were civ or no?

keys contributes as much as he wants, when he wants. There is little rhyme or reason to it.
He is not lying, he has certainly been around his computer. But he hasn't been around the game. He had this same disinterested play when he missed that NK years ago in that Christmas game I mentioned. I'm not saying he is definitely WW, but I definitely think it is worth considering at this point.

Since you would like to contemplate other disinterested, could be missing the kill but are still clearly around players. DP has been on irc every night, but has not posted. Not sure what to make about that. Is he even still playing

Maybe BR was getting at Bass with her comment? I'd like to revisit him too and his activity around the time of the missed NK, because he is another blendy player that comes to mind atm.

Maybe I am wrong though and keys was found and is part of a civvie set/LMS group though, which could explain his disinterest since he was clearly against the searching. That could explain how he magically appeared tonight when he was discussed.

I rolled a 7 that night and did not get a prize.

Doesn't that mess up your theory about TH being WW

keys56000000000 wrote:
fingersplints wrote:Maybe I am wrong though and keys was found and is part of a civvie set/LMS group though, which could explain his disinterest since he was clearly against the searching. That could explain how he magically appeared tonight when he was discussed.
There are no civ sets. You form a set, you aren't a civ. This game is a free-for-all. Nobody wants to be civilian. Why post at all? Whom am I addressing with posts? The non-existent civs? The LMS groups that are playing against me? The mafia? The is no reason for me to post.

I'm not going to explain again why I was against the searching, I feel like I'm playing with children. Honestly, I don't want to play anymore.

HOST: I'm out. Not your fault, you've put together a good game, this site just isn't for me.

There are still civvies if they haven't found their partners. I should have said color set there but I think everyone understood what I meant there. I never asked you to explain again why you were against the searching. I understood it the first time. I was just offering a possible alternative :/

Long Con wrote:
fingersplints wrote:Doesn't that mess up your theory about TH being WW
If TH won Electric Company, then I would believe he's not Water Works.

Do you think he could be a railroad? Or lms?

Long Con wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
Long Con wrote:
fingersplints wrote:Doesn't that mess up your theory about TH being WW
If TH won Electric Company, then I would believe he's not Water Works.
Do you think he could be a railroad? Or lms?
Why are you asking that? Am I supposed to answer in a certain way?

You are supposed to answer whatever way you think.

Why am I not supposed to ask you that? You seemed to think he was WW before and if you don't anymore I am curious what you think he could be if not.

I don't see what's so strange about it still LC. You had him pegged as a certain baddie role. If you do not think he is that role I am wondering if you see him more as a civvie or different baddie role.

No. That is not what I meant. I just am not expecting you to be certain is all and are trying to figure out which way you are leaning now

Turnip Head wrote:Where are YOU leaning now, splintsy?

About you or in general?

Turnip Head wrote:Both I guess. But I wanted to know in general.

Well I think keys might be WW. or a LMS group. If keys is WW, I need to go find who the utilities found out information on, because I feel like that would support my thoughts that you might be a railroad. I still think MP might be a railroad. I wouldn't say I am confident on that, because your responses always are really making me question it sometimes. :/ I do think if not maybe you two have btsc. It just seemed a bit weird to me how he jumped at me suspecting you for something. IDK I'll have to look into that more. He has also seemed helpful and more into the game since getting called out on that

keys clearly doesn't want to play anymore, but is he any more important to get out then the rest of the non players? Some of the other quiet ones might be baddies too.
There are many players I don't know about, or I felt good about but am now beginning to not feel so great about or wonder why I felt good about them in the first place.

All in all I am trying to figure out who is most important to vote for today. The WW might not be the most important baddie but I think a lot of information might be able to gained from learning who that role is. We need to get the railroads, and we need to start breaking up those sets.

Turnip Head wrote:Why do you think I'm a railroad splintsy? That's a new one...

It shouldn't be new because I have said it before.

fingersplints wrote:I think LC has good points but I think TH is more likely to be a railroad.
I do not believe he would waste a kill purposefully, and I do not think he would go against bwt that early if he was his teammate. I have been teammates with TH twice fairly recently, and he is a very team oriented player.

I don't have any concrete case or anything if that is what you are expecting. There is a vibe I get from some of your posts and votes, and your interactions with people.
Plus how I believe keys would have played a WW role and his vote for you.

MM I do not think WW is a team player and I know that role is essentially an indy. I just think WW would benefit from looking like they are lynching baddies too. So if keys is WW, he did vote TH the last lynch. Does that make more sense?

Yes SVS. I have not voted for keys for that reason. I too would rather lynch a rail, but am not that confident in my rail suspicions. Your post on dfaraday is interesting, but like you said, could easily be a coincidence as well.
ANd I have pointed out I do not think TH is WW before based on how I do not think he would have turned on bwt like that. so you are also correct in that SVS

S~V~S wrote:Your points make sense as well, and his reaction to your suspicion that he was a rail, and NOT a util was interesting.

I am fairly annoyed that we are less than an hour from the end and so few people have voted. I dislike voting for a higher poster in this situation, but I also think the low posters are more likely to be bored people without partners, aka civs. I think I will vote for TH, and hope he is bad, but I will be OK if he is Light Blue, Red, Yellow or Green as well.

This. I really don't know what to do about this low poster situation. I am also voting TH .

Turnip Head wrote:No MM. Splintsy's case on me is BASED on Keys flipping Water Works. He wants to quit. Why isn't she voting him FIRST? It would give her case some credibility if he flips WW and poke holes in her case if he's civ. either way it looks like he doesn't want to play anymore. Meanwhile I've been fighting for my life all damn game.

That is not my only reason.
You are a bit defensive about this.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:No MM. Splintsy's case on me is BASED on Keys flipping Water Works. He wants to quit. Why isn't she voting him FIRST? It would give her case some credibility if he flips WW and poke holes in her case if he's civ. either way it looks like he doesn't want to play anymore. Meanwhile I've been fighting for my life all damn game.
You also think keys is WW, so where does that put your stance on fingers? What if keys is WW, can you still deny fingers' allegations?

TH actually wouldn't previously answer if he thought keys was WW, funny how now he agrees.

fingersplints wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
fingersplints wrote:However, I do agree with you that keys deserves reexamining. I stand by my "keys might be WW" idea. He has missed kills before when I have hosted him, and I think he voted with bwt. And again, there is no reason for him to have tried to outbid me on that rob. I think if he was a civvie he would have let me have it.
Keys didn't vote for BWT. He voted for LC about halfway through Day 3. Epi brought up his case on BWT a little while after that, but Keys did not post again during that lynch.

Then on Day 4, keys posted once ontopic to vote for Hedgeowl, and then rest of his posts that day were trying to outbid splints for the rob power, which he lost.

Night 4 was the night of the missing Water Works kill.

Keys did not post at all from Day 4 up until his one post yesterday (Day 6) where he voted for me.

On Night 6, Water Works killed again.
Is this supposed to argue for or against the idea?

Turnip Head wrote:I'm just pointing out the facts. It looks like Keys was not around for the missed kill, and returned just before last night's kill.

This makes me sad.

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