The Syndicate

Black Rock wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
Sophie wrote:
Black Rock wrote:
LizKeen wrote:BR, what do you think about DP having the elephant charm?
I have no idea what happened to it after I died. It's something worth noting.
Doesnt baddies obtain the item from people they kill? You had the elephant charm now he haves it: probably a baddie
There is also a civvie thief and neutral- probably civvie friendly thief to account for as well. Objects have been changing hands in ways other then the kill.
It's true, that's if they stole it before I was killed on N1 though. It could have happened, maybe not.

no, not necessarily. Either of those roles could have stolen it from your killer.

Sophie wrote:But if someone gets killed and the next day this said person gets the dead person object, what would that mean?

It is not the next day. BR was killed N1 and on day 4 DP might have the item. (this is to say if the newspaper is even accurate, which has already been called into question) This means there were three nights of item swapping possible.

rabbit8 wrote:
fingersplints wrote:APerson is easy to lie low as a baddie because he doesn't post enough to give anyone an idea either way usually. MP had a similar outburst like he just did in RR. I think it's unlikely he would pull that twice in a row, but I didn't have either of them down as a civvie so I have my eye on both you and bass as I said. I also said I doubted I would be voting either of you.
People don't regularly change places, so that whole situation is weird to me. I wouldn't say either of you are high up on my suspicion list, but I don't have strong civvie vibes yet either

Linki rabbit is every person making a case? I haven't seen you laying down massive cases either. mafia is people reacting to one another

I never said make a massive case. Reading what I write would be nice.

Speaking of you suspicion list, what is it? You never actually accuse anyone but low posters, well done. Anyone can do that.

I have read what you wrote. Actually I just went through all your posts. Most of them are a few liners and questions to other people. These are both baddie tactics according to you, therefore you are bad.

I already said that my strongest suspect is Sophie. I have accused others who haven't been low posters. But again this is also the pot calling the kettle black since you are going after low posters now yourself.

Turnip Head wrote:splintsy can you talk about why Sophie is your strongest suspect?

Sure can! Sophie hates to be bad and loves to be civvie. She tries to hide her disappointment but as a result is very quiet when she is a civvie.
I went into this some during RR too where I spent hours reading Sophie in past games. When I did that I noticed that not only is a baddie Sophie quieter, she plays the "confused civvie" card. Kinda like this:

Sophie wrote:so can someone help me understand something im still at loss with a couple of things
host said we could discuss our items, right? maybe im wrong about it
but is in the best interest of us civvies to discuss what we got?
maybe we should all say what we have, it could be easier for us to analize everything
maybe this has been discussed in the 30 pages i havent read yet

can someone help me understand how this item thing works exactly cause i still dont fully get it. i have something that it seems completely useless but it might make sense if i comment it here? what about other peoples? has this been discussed?
helpç

This game she has contributed little. Buddy'd up to Golden like this:

Sophie wrote:
Golden wrote: Having said that, I don't know that I would ever NK bf on night one. Not unless there was a reason I really had to. And he's just my best mafia bud. So I do understand there is some legitimacy to that argument.

Im not your best mafia bud?

She has also twice specifically asked dfaraday for his opinion, saying that she knows him from RM. There are many more that she hasn't asked for the opinions of that she has played with more. like me, SVS, BR, LC, juliets, Dom, rabbit, etc etc. ALL of these people played on RM when Sophie did and were more active then df.
If I am correct and Sophie is bad, I will be looking at dfaraday next.

fingersplints wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:splintsy can you talk about why Sophie is your strongest suspect?
Sure can! Sophie hates to be bad and loves to be civvie. She tries to hide her disappointment but as a result is very quiet when she is a civvie.
I went into this some during RR too where I spent hours reading Sophie in past games. When I did that I noticed that not only is a baddie Sophie quieter, she plays the "confused civvie" card. Kinda like this:

Sophie wrote:so can someone help me understand something im still at loss with a couple of things
host said we could discuss our items, right? maybe im wrong about it
but is in the best interest of us civvies to discuss what we got?
maybe we should all say what we have, it could be easier for us to analize everything
maybe this has been discussed in the 30 pages i havent read yet

can someone help me understand how this item thing works exactly cause i still dont fully get it. i have something that it seems completely useless but it might make sense if i comment it here? what about other peoples? has this been discussed?
helpç
This game she has contributed little. Buddy'd up to Golden like this:

Sophie wrote:
Golden wrote: Having said that, I don't know that I would ever NK bf on night one. Not unless there was a reason I really had to. And he's just my best mafia bud. So I do understand there is some legitimacy to that argument.

Im not your best mafia bud?
She has also twice specifically asked dfaraday for his opinion, saying that she knows him from RM. There are many more that she hasn't asked for the opinions of that she has played with more. like me, SVS, BR, LC, juliets, Dom, rabbit, etc etc. ALL of these people played on RM when Sophie did and were more active then df.
If I am correct and Sophie is bad, I will be looking at dfaraday next.

that should say she is quiet when she is a baddie.

Black Rock wrote:I honestly haven't thought about Sophie at all, or DFaraday for that matter.

Time to start thinking about them!

I don't find that dorky at all. My aunt used to own a bowling alley. My dad is a league and bowls perfect games. I get the lowest score possible.

It seems I didn't get the good bowler genes

I look forward to your thoughts when you get home.

LizKeen wrote: I was giving Sophie some time becuase she had a lot to catch up. But she's had plenty of time now. She suspects DP and Epi as do I so I'm not finding her all that suspicious yet. I do find fs defending DP and calling out Sophie interesting though.

Someone else has replaced in since Sophie has been killed and have already caught up. She isn't catching up. She is bad and using that as an excuse to not have to post.

Since sophie has replaced in. not killed.
I need more coffee or something

LizKeen wrote:fs, if you're so sure Sophie is bad why haven't you just gone ahead and voted her?

I always vote late. I have been pressured/annoyed into voting early in the past and I always regret it.

LizKeen wrote:
Vompatti wrote:You guys should totally vote for me so my baddie teammates' protective powers whome I have BTSM with won't go to waste!

Then I'd say you're the Millionaire and you've already gained power which means you could have some lynch save so I'm not chancing wasting a vote.

I'm voting DP. I just don't trust that he's got that Elephant Charm from a steal.

Too bad you wasted it anyways by voting DP!
seriously though, I can't believe how many are focusing on this considering there are more ways for him not to be bad and it has alreay been speculated the baddies have a hand in the newspaper.

I have already explained it. Perhaps you can tell me which part you don't get and that will help me know what you would like explained more.

Sophie wrote:You seemed too convinced, fs. Like you were in RR and were also wrong there.
Look, i ve subbed in in this game, and by the time i got here there were already 20 pages of very charged, heated day 1. While i was reading those 20 pages in the weekend i visited family, thread kept moving fast and got to be 40 pages long. So i was literally always behind. I have catch up but my head isnt completely in the game. I know i usually dont behave like this as a civ, but this time im one, i assure you. Real life and subbing in have been the reasons why i might not seem my civvie self, but be sure i am good.

Im gonna be voting dp today, i think he is bad

You are misrepresenting what happened in RR. Let me explain it to those that didn't play. That game was very different then this one, and at the time I was "sure" of you everyone else had been confirmed to me. (I was the detective) You hinted that you had a very important civvie role and also made it sound like you had info, so I thought you were claiming my role (which had already happened once that game so aggravated me) You were the civvie ninja, and that role usually just has a kill, no check, so I didn't see how you could be the ninja and claim to know what you claim. I was sure of you for about 4 hours til I calmed down that game and saw things more clearly.

Dom wrote:
fingersplints wrote:I have already explained it. Perhaps you can tell me which part you don't get and that will help me know what you would like explained more.
What pinged you in the first place?

I was originally pinged by her casually dropping dfaraday's name. Like I said there are loads of people she knows better, so it seemed suspicious to me she would be only curious about his opinions.
But then I evaluate her game and this level of inactivity and feigned confusion is without a doubt her baddie game.

SOPHIE REPLACED IN DAY 1 - how long will she be "catching up" for?

how about this vote, Sophie?

Sophie wrote:voting MM

theres no freaking way i have time to catch up you people talk waaaaay waaaaay too much and im like 25 pages behind, so, yeah

from what i ve seen skimming the last few pages, he mightr be the baddie who gets more powerful the more votes he gets unless he gets lynched, and i see everyone went that way so i will

i have been in a trip on my familys home in other city and been crazy busy taking care of my 1 year old gorgeous sweet niece, barely being able to keeping up from long distance work (actually im behind), and trying to read all the pages i was behind when i started. i was 20 pages behind when i started, and, even though i read at nightime and got to page 12, you guys kept advancing at an insane speed rate and im way more behind now. i should be able to improve my speed and time of reading when i return to BA tomorrow, but since tomorrow i will be travelling by bus, and then in the uni, then thursday is the real day i may be able to keep up, or ill do my best to. for now this is all i can do.

Your reason for voting MM is "everyone went that way". Were you not jumping on a bandwagon there too?

Sophie wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:I don't get the push for DP at all. The only two reasons I can see for voting for him are:

1) Because of some item swapping that may or may not incriminate him due to lack of hard evidence.
2) Because he's normally such an easy target with being quiet. Attach #1 to it and viola, an easy lynch candidate!

I think FS is right on with Sophie, however. The fact that she jumps in and attaches herself to the DP bandwagon makes me feel even better about her lack of being involved.

Votes Sophie

Im not jumping on any bandwagon, i was the first to insist he might be bad for having the br item

This is just a flat out lie. This was your first mention of DP after others already discussed the elephant charm:

Sophie wrote:
fingersplints wrote:I forgot to say I'm also eyeing MM and bass because I'm a little confused about that situation. I doubt I would vote either.

My strongest suspect atm is Sophie. A civvie Sophie is generally much more vocal than this. also, I am a little suspicious of how she has twice now asked dfaraday for his opinion. just his. She claimed it was from knowing him from RM but there are several others she knows better or as well that she hasn't interacted with at all.

Linki alright rabbit I'm pretty sure you know I am not bad

I know i havent been contributing much, but its because i ve been very busy. Im sorry for not being a very contributibe civvie, but if you are looking for baddies you should look elsewhere.

My biggest suspects are epi and dp

This here post from LizKeen is the first post about DP and the elephant charm.

In fact Sophie's first mention of the charm is this, where she is commenting on someone else talking about it:

Sophie wrote:
Black Rock wrote:
LizKeen wrote:BR, what do you think about DP having the elephant charm?
I have no idea what happened to it after I died. It's something worth noting.
Doesnt baddies obtain the item from people they kill? You had the elephant charm now he haves it: probably a baddie

linki - you are using the same quote. IT is a flat out lie that you created the suspicion. Both the original post I quoted and this one were well after Liz started that suspicion.

You did not call him a baddie before everyone. Several other people listed suspicion of him before you. I pulled several more quotes, but have deleted them since others can go back and read it. You subtly pushed the suspicion of him, and then when he had several votes, you placed another vote on him. That is why your vote is suspicious to me.
And it is the same as your vote on MM. little - no reason after he already had votes. That is jumping on a bandwagon.

Now you say "if" DP is bad... backtracking already?
Seriously though, what baddie in their right mind would defend a teammate like I have been doing? You're going to have to come up with a better pretend reason to suspect me then that.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Sophie feels like a player who is attempting to become invested in a game and failing. I don't see that as indicitive one way or the other. The sudden interest in Sophie is alarming to me.

For most players that wouldn't be indicative of everything. For Sophie, it is. If one person was saying this isn't her civvie game that is one thing, but almost everyone who knows her well has said this.

Nothing that has been said is going to change my mind at this point. I hope you all see what I am saying and know that there is no way I would act like this if I were bad.
I'm voting Sophie now

Bullzeye wrote:Home now. Knackered! Gonna catch up here and have a chilled out night of pizza and WrestleMania 31. Uni work will keep til tomorrow - speaking of which, it's the Easter break so for the next three weeks I can hopefully be more active.

If you haven't already don't forget to change your time settings.
yay for being still light out

Sophie wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Because I suspect Dom for things he has said and done, and I don't suspect DP for what he's said and done. I don't know how to make it any simpler than that.
he didnt say much at all in this game, though: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 0&sr=posts
9 posts, 7 one liners, 2 off topic. I dont know how you can draw any conclussion from this nothing, imo

DP replaced in AFTER you Sophie. So it's ok you haven't contributed much because you are a replacement, but DP should be damned for it.

Sophie wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
Sophie wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Because I suspect Dom for things he has said and done, and I don't suspect DP for what he's said and done. I don't know how to make it any simpler than that.
he didnt say much at all in this game, though: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 0&sr=posts
9 posts, 7 one liners, 2 off topic. I dont know how you can draw any conclussion from this nothing, imo
DP replaced in AFTER you Sophie. So it's ok you haven't contributed much because you are a replacement, but DP should be damned for it.

I have 74 posts. Long posts. DP has 9 post. 7 lines.

are you really comparing this 2????

You guys chose to compare them, not me. I have read through all your posts and they are not all long posts. There was that off topic bit about music and lots of posts confused about what is going on or asking for help. So yes, you have a lot of posts, but they aren't all on topic or relevant.
DP is always quiet. This isn't out of the ordinary for him. You are only quiet and blendy like you have been here when you are bad.

LizKeen wrote:I hope you Sophie voters are right. My thing about DP is like I said earlier, unless that charm got stolen from BR before she was killed then it ended up in beasts hands. And if someone stole it from her they should know who the beast of Bremen is and I don't think I've seen anyone trying to impart that knowledge. I can see why someone would take my ear tubes and maybe a rare book but why an elephant charm?

It has been speculated that the elephant charm is likely a celestial item, therefore makes a lot of sense for that group with an item stealer to want that item.

Sophie wrote:
LizKeen wrote:I hope you Sophie voters are right. My thing about DP is like I said earlier, unless that charm got stolen from BR before she was killed then it ended up in beasts hands. And if someone stole it from her they should know who the beast of Bremen is and I don't think I've seen anyone trying to impart that knowledge. I can see why someone would take my ear tubes and maybe a rare book but why an elephant charm?
They arent

They aren't what?

Sophie wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
Sophie wrote:
LizKeen wrote:I hope you Sophie voters are right. My thing about DP is like I said earlier, unless that charm got stolen from BR before she was killed then it ended up in beasts hands. And if someone stole it from her they should know who the beast of Bremen is and I don't think I've seen anyone trying to impart that knowledge. I can see why someone would take my ear tubes and maybe a rare book but why an elephant charm?
They arent
They aren't what?
They arent right. Its pretty hard to erase part of a quote with my phone

I still don't get what you mean by "they aren't right" Who isn't right and what aren't they right about?

Sophie wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
Sophie wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
Sophie wrote:
LizKeen wrote:I hope you Sophie voters are right. My thing about DP is like I said earlier, unless that charm got stolen from BR before she was killed then it ended up in beasts hands. And if someone stole it from her they should know who the beast of Bremen is and I don't think I've seen anyone trying to impart that knowledge. I can see why someone would take my ear tubes and maybe a rare book but why an elephant charm?
They arent
They aren't what?
They arent right. Its pretty hard to erase part of a quote with my phone
I still don't get what you mean by "they aren't right" Who isn't right and what aren't they right about?
I was answering to liz keens post

Yes. I understand that. I am asking you about your response to liz keens post.

Sorry thanks rabbit I get it now.

rabbit - how do you feel about me today?

good rabbit - I was getting worried when you said I thought I was bad. I figured you might be bad or not as smart as I give you credit for. The second one still might be true

Sophie - I also post from my phone a lot and have the same trouble cutting down posts. What works for me is to bold or underline the relevant parts. Both of those codes are short and easy for me to type in. Not sure this will help you but it might be something to keep in mind.

Sophie wrote:
fingersplints wrote:Sorry thanks rabbit I get it now.

Thanks rabbit??

Yes. He underlined that part for me and it cleared things up nicely. I still am fairly confident you are bad, but at least I understand what part of Liz's post you were responding to.

Epi you are funny tonight

Sophie. sorry, I was so sure this was your baddie game

I can see this coming up in future games.
"SVS claims to hate self voting but she voted for herself on DAY 4 of HSK mafia"

Lynching celestials is a terrible idea. Literally the only people who would benefit from that are baddies, who can't win with them if all 5 are alive. Because almost everyone was wrong doesn't mean they aren't trying to help the civvie cause.

There were 11 votes for Sophie - so it is even impossible for just mafia and neutrals to have voted her.

You guys must hate my posts. I misuse all the words!

I would have liked to get the Strangler but I will take it

great result

LizKeen wrote:If you're not epi's teammate I'll eat my shoe.

I feel the same about you.

LizKeen wrote:FS, you suspect me, what about SVS?

She is a lovely lady.

And I do not think she is a baddie this game.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I don't know what SVS is anymore. I guess I'm currently sitting on the fence with her. Although I'm still leaning towards her being bad.

Can you explain your suspicion again to me? perhaps you will switch back to the other side of the fence.

I don't buy that a baddie SVS would defend teammates like that. None of this is her baddie game. I'd bet on it.

rabbit8 wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:I don't know what SVS is anymore. I guess I'm currently sitting on the fence with her. Although I'm still leaning towards her being bad.
Can you explain your suspicion again to me? perhaps you will switch back to the other side of the fence.
I don't buy that a baddie SVS would defend teammates like that. None of this is her baddie game. I'd bet on it.

Like you bet on Sophies baddie game?

When did I bet on Sophie?
Sophie said herself this was not her civvie game.

Because that is clearly the same meaning. Voting for someone isn't the same as saying I would bet that someone isn't bad. Smashpoints. Money. shoes perhaps since Liz will be needing some to eat

Long Con wrote:I got nothing. Perhaps fingersplints got the safe WITH a few items in it?

Nope just the safe

LizKeen wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Um, I aggressively pursued her until freaking Golden made me think I was wrong. It was like 5:30 AM, I came in the thread, and Zomba & Liz had lulled Golden into a sense of complacency. He said he did not think she was bad, I read her posts from that night and thought he might have a point. I did not trust my own gut, and I got burnt by her (and Golden). When you posted those two quotes from me that morning with Golden and Zomba and made the crack about my post, then my next post, you did NOT mention that they were 40 minutes or so apart. You also did not mention that it was like 5 or 6 AM and no one was here, lol.

But like I said, I have been very open. If you choose to ignore it, or not believe it because it would be more fun for you if i am bad, that's fine. But I am not bad, and I think you know that

I did not "lull" Golden into anything. You think I was working with Zomberella and then turned around and put the second vote on her? It would have made more sense for me to go along with Golden's "I think we can turn this lynch around" idea if that was the case. I don't buy into the whole "mafia could be throwing their teammates under the bus" theory, it has never made sense to me when it comes to an early vote. Later yes, I can see it, but in the first few votes almost a day before the lynch does not make any sense to me. Not unless they're the millionaire and even then that's pretty risky.

Wasn't fs the first vote for Epi?

I think I get what you're trying to hint at SVS but if that's the case why imply it was the item you had saving you rather than letting us think you were maybe Legga. Surely if that wasn't your role Legga wouldn't have minded people thinking it, until/unless someone tried to nightkill them. I've been baffled at the fact the mafia tried to kill you night 2 but then never pursued it again. The thing about Oliver Oliver is how does he know who he's talking to is telling him the truth?

I've been trying to get into Hedville but it's not letting me. I've been trying to find the Piano but it's not coming up in my searches. Did anyone ever play there? If so do you have a link? I know I stopped playing around 2009 or 10.

I'd like to put it out there my vote record is as such: I voted Zomberella Day 1. She wasn't the Millionaire so that would have pointless if I knew her role. bf/townie lynched.
Day 2, I missed the vote but I was pretty clear I wasn't on board with that MM lynch. MM /townie lynched
Day 3, I voted second for Zombarella (granted I was worried about myself) but she was lynched/mafia
Day 4, I thought that was a complete railroad of Sophie. I voted DP. He was n/k'ed so I assume he was townie but that was an odd kill. I wouldn't have been on board with it if I was mafia because he probably could have been easily lynched the next day.
Day 5, Voted 4th for Epi. It was a half-day until the vote-could have gone any which way. I posted my suspicion of him Day 2 and I never wavered from thinking he was probably mafia. Lynched/mafia.

I wasn't going to post that because I knew it would just be jumped on as WIFOM but I really got nothing much to lose at this point.

I did vote Epi first.

Thepiano is dead. Most of us played there, though I didn't in 2009. LC and a few others probably did.

rabbit8 wrote:
Dom wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I did vote Epig

Yeah, but your defense of him was very....defensive....
do u have any suspicious suspicions?

I do still wonder about Canuklehead TBH.

Linky: and you did not defend Zomba.....we know, you could just not make up your mind....we know, ad nauseam.

this doesn't remind me of last game, but then I thought canuck was a bit more vocal then normal in RR. I can see her being burnt out from it, but I would have thought she would have picked up now.
I'm still worried about dfaraday. I know I was wrong about the sophie connection, but his defense of that was just blowing it off (sure, if he was bad he would know she wasn't and it would be ok for him in the end) but he hasn't really posted enough for it to move past a "feeling" for me.

Stoners 3!

i was considering the original 1 and the redux 2. That could even fit the theme - "Stoners....3?" Hahaha

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Um, I aggressively pursued her until freaking Golden made me think I was wrong. It was like 5:30 AM, I came in the thread, and Zomba & Liz had lulled Golden into a sense of complacency. He said he did not think she was bad, I read her posts from that night and thought he might have a point. I did not trust my own gut, and I got burnt by her (and Golden). When you posted those two quotes from me that morning with Golden and Zomba and made the crack about my post, then my next post, you did NOT mention that they were 40 minutes or so apart. You also did not mention that it was like 5 or 6 AM and no one was here, lol.

But like I said, I have been very open. If you choose to ignore it, or not believe it because it would be more fun for you if i am bad, that's fine. But I am not bad, and I think you know that
Nice deflection to Golden there.

I'm pretty sure golden thought he was to blame too

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Um, I aggressively pursued her until freaking Golden made me think I was wrong. It was like 5:30 AM, I came in the thread, and Zomba & Liz had lulled Golden into a sense of complacency. He said he did not think she was bad, I read her posts from that night and thought he might have a point. I did not trust my own gut, and I got burnt by her (and Golden). When you posted those two quotes from me that morning with Golden and Zomba and made the crack about my post, then my next post, you did NOT mention that they were 40 minutes or so apart. You also did not mention that it was like 5 or 6 AM and no one was here, lol.

But like I said, I have been very open. If you choose to ignore it, or not believe it because it would be more fun for you if i am bad, that's fine. But I am not bad, and I think you know that
Nice deflection to Golden there.
I'm pretty sure golden thought he was to blame too
I think he did, yeah. But given Golden is dead now, this feels a bit too...convenient to me.

I'd really like to hear something convincing from the people who think SVS is civ/civ-friendly. Because I feel like I can only see one side of this and would like to be able to examine other perspectives.

I'll try and convince you later if I am still around.

LizKeen wrote:Well it's clear this vote isn't going any other way. I tried. On the plus side for the civvies I'm probably one of the better roles to lose as I have nothing to offer. No one will be receiving any items because I don't have any. I'm not the millionaire, I don't even know why Canuck thinks that.

Save me a seat at the bar Golden, Sophie and FS.

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