The Syndicate

YES!!! TinyBubbles was bad! I love when I am right.

Remember this the next time people give me a hard time for putting weight on the "are you bad" question.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Remember this the next time people give me a hard time for putting weight on the "are you bad" question.
You didn't even vote for TinyBubbles, silly llama.

I did on previous days, and I would have yestday except that I saw my vote wasn't needed and I wanted to make a statement about DH.

I'll go position 5 to avoid immunity. I'm going to reread TB's posts to see if I can find a link to her recruiter.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Remember this the next time people give me a hard time for putting weight on the "are you bad" question.
So you know she was recruited by the time you asked her if she was bad?

I don't know that, but regardless, my approach found a baddie. You can't argue with results.

Bullzeye wrote:Completed my dissertation today. Awaiting feedback from my supervisor so I'll probably not submit til Friday morning but my Masters is essentially finished now With that in mind, I'm gonna go catch up.

I'm your supervisor. Your dissertation is fine. Forget about it and play mafia.

Wow, bloody night.
RIPIYWG, everyone.

On the Llama Docket today: reread TinyBubbles to look for clues to her recruiter; Take a hard look at Bullzeye, since I haven't yet.

A list of people that Bubbles interacted with or mentioned, in chronological order:
SVS - answered a technical question
Metalmarsh89 - Answered an "are you bad" kind of question
thellama73 - Fight!
Golden - Reaffirmation of an OT point
Dharmahelper - Ganging up on poor Llama
DFaraday - Missed vote commiseration
BWT - Asking about his gameplay
Epignosis - RIP
Typhoony - RIP
Bass - says she reads neutral on him
JJJ - Answering alignment questions
Turniphead - defended
Scotty - confusion
MP - discussing Golden
GMan - RIP
reywaS - vote
Roxy - thanks for the defense
Boomslang - what's the case?
Canucklehead - defending
unfurl - RIP
Devin - big suspect

Of these, I think TH is the most likely teammate based on their interactions, but I'm more suspicious of the people she didn't interact with. These include:
aapje
bea
bullzeye
DrWilgy
Lorab
nutella
Russ/whatever his replacement's name is
sorsha
spacedaisy
timmer
tranq.

Sometimes teammates forget to engage with each other in the thread, because they can do it behind the scenes. I would bet one of the people in my second list is Urgleburgle.

Bullzeye:
Day 0: Jokey, lighthearted, lots of talk about how the adverb theory is stupid. Fairly typical Day 0 stuff.
Day 1: He says my supatown reasoning against TinyBubbles is weak. Obviously, he was 100% wrong. In your face, Bullz. Criticizes unfurl's attitude and lack of baddie hunting. Where's your baddie hunting, Bullz? Advocates lynching low posters for lack of better suspicions.
Day 2: Defends TH from the disembodied voice demanding his lynch. TB also defended TH.

Day 3: Doesn't say much except to defend Golden. Lots of defending, not much attacking.
Day 4: Buys into the Boom case and votes there. Otherwise criticizes other people's suspicions as bad ones.
Day 5: "Wah, wah, I'm so busy. Dissertations are hard."

Overall, Bullz's game has been very defensive. A lot of disagreeing with other people's arguments, but no real arguments of his own. I would say that this indicates he's more interested in preventing good people from being lynched than in lynching bad people. To be fair, though, he has been legitimately busy, a condition I experienced myself earlier, so I get that.

I need to mull on this.

Bullzeye wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Day 5: "Wah, wah, I'm so busy. Dissertations are hard."
When people imply I'm using uni work as an excuse, it seriously offends me. Especially when they phrase it like this. When I voted on day 5 I was really tired after being in the library all day and had no interest in mafia but knew there was a lynch ongoing and I hate missing votes. So I made a lazy one. Worked out okay in the end.

thellama73 wrote:Overall, Bullz's game has been very defensive. A lot of disagreeing with other people's arguments, but no real arguments of his own. I would say that this indicates he's more interested in preventing good people from being lynched than in lynching bad people. To be fair, though, he has been legitimately busy, a condition I experienced myself earlier, so I get that.

I need to mull on this.
Mull away. I would like to ask this question: Has any of my play this game been drastically different from any other game, regardless of alignment? Am I ever a high posting, case spamming, super invested and non-defensive player in your opinion?

I would say that agreeing and disagreeing with people is essentially the way I get myself into the game. I find a starting point and work from it. I'm still trying to find that point in this game.

Okay, I'll grant that the first comment was uncalled for. I didn't mean it to come across as mean as it sounded. I was trying to be playful. I apologize.

I don't have a good enough memory to know if you were more aggressive in past games, but I do think your play thus far fits a profile I associate with bad guys. Of course, correlation is not causation, as wel all know. Still mulling.

Bullzeye wrote:Or does that also make me bad anyway?

The only thing that makes you bad is the role you were given or the team you were recruited onto.

Spacedaisy wrote:Ok, I don't know why no one is talking about this, but I will. Llama, the Bubbles lynch flip makes you look incredibly bad. You came out of the gate on Bubbles for something ridiculous. And yet when it came down to her lynch you didn't vote for her. Not only did you not vote for her but you made two separate posts talking about how Uzbarg would have no reason not to use his power, one time saying that we learn zero information from the switch. The last time you said anything negative about Bubbles was in Night 4 and all it said was everything bubbles said read insincere to you. That is it. So you go from being after her hard at the start and then you barely say anything about her lynch? Then after her flip you come out yelling about how you knew it and you were right, etc. taking credit for a lynch you played absolutely no part in at all. Your only explanation about why you didn't vote for her was to say you didn't think your vote would matter so you put your vote somewhere else. And if that was why you were doing it, why wouldn't you say that in your vote. Why wouldn't you express your approval of the lynch train that was forming? Instead you tried to convince people who were waffling to vote for DH instead. I think you are Uz and you recruited Bubbles. I think today's dog and pony show about looking for Bubbles teammates is your way to hopefully direct attention anywhere but you.

Bubbles was leading the lynch vote by a large margin when I didn't vote for her. There was no chance of saving her by voting for DH. Why would I do something so stupid as to not vote for her if I were her teammate? If I were going to throw her under the bus early, why wouldn't I follow through?

I'm not going to be around too much tonight. I'm watching Mary Poppins with friends. Of the people who have votes, I am mosts suspicious of Bullzeye and TH, so I'll hold my vote for now in case I need to save myself.

reywaS wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Ok, I don't know why no one is talking about this, but I will. Llama, the Bubbles lynch flip makes you look incredibly bad. You came out of the gate on Bubbles for something ridiculous. And yet when it came down to her lynch you didn't vote for her. Not only did you not vote for her but you made two separate posts talking about how Uzbarg would have no reason not to use his power, one time saying that we learn zero information from the switch. The last time you said anything negative about Bubbles was in Night 4 and all it said was everything bubbles said read insincere to you. That is it. So you go from being after her hard at the start and then you barely say anything about her lynch? Then after her flip you come out yelling about how you knew it and you were right, etc. taking credit for a lynch you played absolutely no part in at all. Your only explanation about why you didn't vote for her was to say you didn't think your vote would matter so you put your vote somewhere else. And if that was why you were doing it, why wouldn't you say that in your vote. Why wouldn't you express your approval of the lynch train that was forming? Instead you tried to convince people who were waffling to vote for DH instead. I think you are Uz and you recruited Bubbles. I think today's dog and pony show about looking for Bubbles teammates is your way to hopefully direct attention anywhere but you.
Damn. Now this is a post.

only problem I have with this is I think that if all this were so, llama wouldn't have had a problem throwing TB under the bus yesterday. Why not vote TB when he's previously been vocal against TinyBubbles? Even if he's the very last person to vote, no one is going to think strangely of him for it.

Exactly, rey.

I'm starting to wonder about DrWilgy. I haven't played with him before and up to now he's escaped my notice, but he begged us not to vote for TinyBubbles, and his vote for SVS is based on disagreeing with her logic, not genuine suspicion.

ALl right, I'm headed out the door. I've decided to place my vote on Wilgy at the moment. I think his votes for SVS have been easy and safe, and I don't like the way he defended Bubbles (while she never mentioned him). will check back in on my phone later and may change it.

DrWilgy wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I'm starting to wonder about DrWilgy. I haven't played with him before and up to now he's escaped my notice, but he begged us not to vote for TinyBubbles, and his vote for SVS is based on disagreeing with her logic, not genuine suspicion.
Woah, hold up! Wilgy holds up a big stop sign, Jack black can be seen in the distance pointing at it. Disagreements in logic isn't genuine suspicion? Logic doesn't lead to genuine suspicion? Genuine suspicion isn't caused by logic? Wat? If there's something you don't understand quote me for it, but this makes absolutely no sense Llama.

I used to lynch a lot of players because their logic didn't make sense to me. I lynched a lot of civvies that way. Being illogical is not the same, or even correlated to, being bad. I would think you would know that.

Well, that was confusing.

RIP no one, I guess.

I'm going to vote for position 2, because I don't like either lynch/nk protect for the two bad teams.

A bit confused about why people are suggesting the lynch (or lack thereof) wasn't the result of a switch.
1. There was an active lynch switch power last night. Why wouldn't it be used?
2. What do we gain by saying it wasn't a lynch switch? What's the point of that?

Ricochet wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I'm going to vote for position 2, because I don't like either lynch/nk protect for the two bad teams.

A bit confused about why people are suggesting the lynch (or lack thereof) wasn't the result of a switch.
1. There was an active lynch switch power last night. Why wouldn't it be used?
2. What do we gain by saying it wasn't a lynch switch? What's the point of that?
You prefer having another lynch switch for the second Day in a row?

Yeah, that sucks too, but if the baddies are immune to kills, how are going to get them?

Scotty wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I'm going to vote for position 2, because I don't like either lynch/nk protect for the two bad teams.

A bit confused about why people are suggesting the lynch (or lack thereof) wasn't the result of a switch.
1. There was an active lynch switch power last night. Why wouldn't it be used?
2. What do we gain by saying it wasn't a lynch switch? What's the point of that?
You prefer having another lynch switch for the second Day in a row?

Yeah, that sucks too, but if the baddies are immune to kills, how are going to get them?
at least we'll be able to lunch someone with less interference/lynch blocking.

Each baddie group needs the other baddie group dead to win, so there is a good chance that the lynch will switch from one baddie team (or a civvie, or a neutral) to the other baddie team.

At least that is what I'm hoping.

linki: The "outing" angle is a pretty good point, Rico. I hadn't thought of that.

Wow, what a night. RIP JJJ. That's a loss to the game. I thought DH was bad anyway, so

Although now that I look at the roles, I'm not sure I think that anymore.

Roxy wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Although now that I look at the roles, I'm not sure I think that anymore.

What suddenly changed your mind?

An analysis of what has happened to DH recently in comparison with the active role powers.

So, funny story guys. I n the past three days I have gotten a) sick b) most of the skin on my hand removed by a cat c) a painful rip injury from trapeze and d) poisoned by Nando's.

I'm starting to think someone is out to get me.

The back and forth between DH and SVS is interesting. I'm not inclined to vote for either of them today. I suspect that baddie have receded into the background to let us tear each other apart. The point about Wilgy having no defenders is one I need to take into consideration, although it does sometimes happen that teams are largely inactive and don't defend each other.The same logic would also imply he's not on a civvie team.

aapje wrote: Speaking of Rico, I don't trust his rez. He keeps saying he has been recruited but why would anyone bother to bring him back if he is? Not to mention the rezz recruitment possibility.

This is very true. I don't think anyone would rez someone not on their team.

Long Con wrote:What were you doing on a trapeze when you were sick?

Or.. at all?

It was too late to cancel, and I figured I could tough it out. I am pretty hardcore.

Ricochet wrote:
aapje wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
thellama73 wrote:This is very true. I don't think anyone would rez someone not on their team.
What if the rezzer is not on any team?
Then it would be a pretty dumb move since it would actively hurt their chances to win :P
How?

Because resurrecting someone not on your team decreases your chances of winning.

Scotty wrote: Bass, Synonym, Tranq, Sorsha, aapje, Devin, reywaS, bea. Even BWT's been mysteriously distant of late. Those people on my list scare me because I can't say for sure what they are, because I just haven't heard original opinions from them in a while. Out of sight out of mind. At least Sorsha, who I had been hounding for so long, had been making efforts to look at several people (which she has said she doesn't prefer to do).

This is a good list to keep an eye on. I would imagine that at least some of the baddies are hoping to lay low and escape attention at this point.

Re: your case on TH, I have had my eye on him for a while, but the quotes you pulled didn't convince me of much. I also made the point that it would be foolish not to use a lynch switch if you have one, and I think it's a good point regardless of alignment.

Canucklehead wrote:
thellama73 wrote:So, funny story guys. I n the past three days I have gotten a) sick b) most of the skin on my hand removed by a cat c) a painful rip injury from trapeze and d) poisoned by Nando's.

I'm starting to think someone is out to get me.

The back and forth between DH and SVS is interesting. I'm not inclined to vote for either of them today. I suspect that baddie have receded into the background to let us tear each other apart. The point about Wilgy having no defenders is one I need to take into consideration, although it does sometimes happen that teams are largely inactive and don't defend each other.The same logic would also imply he's not on a civvie team.
Are the trapeeze injury and the cat injury related? Like, were you attempting to bring your cat with you on your trapeeze adventures, and the cat let you know how he felt about that situtation?? And thenyour grip slipped, leading to the rip injury?? Regardless, I'm very sorry for your misfortunes......but I won't deny that I'm very pleased about the hilarious mental images the middle two are conjuring up for me.

Nah, the cat injury happened earlier. I think a sign from the universe not to attempt trapezing that day, which I foolishly ignored. It does appear that my rib is not actually cracked, though. So good news all around!

I don't know where I want to put my vote. DrWilgy and TH both have aroused my suspicions in the past. I didn't buy Scotty's case against TH, though, and I'm not a huge fan of some of the driveby votes, like MM's and DH's "just cuz no one's buying SVS"

What to do, what to do? I'm tempted to leave it a tie and let fate decide, but I suppose there is time yet.

SVS, where do you reckon you'll vote today? I find your gameplay oddly soothing and confidence-boosting.

DharmaHelper wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I don't know where I want to put my vote. DrWilgy and TH both have aroused my suspicions in the past. I didn't buy Scotty's case against TH, though, and I'm not a huge fan of some of the driveby votes, like MM's and DH's "just cuz no one's buying SVS"

What to do, what to do? I'm tempted to leave it a tie and let fate decide, but I suppose there is time yet.
You could vote for me if you wanted.

That's a good point. I'll keep that in mind.

S~V~S wrote:
thellama73 wrote:SVS, where do you reckon you'll vote today? I find your gameplay oddly soothing and confidence-boosting.
LOL, that does not sound very good. And oddly, I can say the same about you to some extent, but probably in a different way.

I have decided to backburner my previous supicions for reasons I said earlier. I am leaning towards Syn. Having reread Russti, I am not inspired with confidence that he was even neutral, much less civ. Synonym came in acting like BTS. While there IS civ bts, his hasty incomplete case felt faux to me.

You?

Linki @ Rico, I would either rezz someone that was a fun player if I were unrecruited, or not use my rezz at all. I would not rezz someone playing a strong game as it could bite me in the ass. While I could see civ reasons for denying being recruited, I would automatically assume the rezzed person had been recruited. Not necessarily by baddies, but not neutral.

I don't know. I don't really feel like Synonym is playing, which is annoying, but not especially dangerous at this stage. I would rather get a dangerous player. I'm pretty curious about DrWilgy, but the silenced bit makes me a bit hesitant. Why would someone silence him today, when he was a fairly obvious lynch candidate? Are they tryig to protect him? Is he faking being silenced? I am second guessing myself here.

I'll put my vote on Wilgy for now and move it if I need to later.

Scotty wrote: In RE: Rico rezzing, I think it is supes suspicious, and it wouldn't surprise me if the Elder Shaman was recruited. Whether or not that role is civ or bad is yet to be determined. I don't notice a shift in what Rico is saying now in relation to before he died. He actually reads genuine to me, which has me scratching my head if he really is unrecruited what the rezzer had in mind.

I feel certain Rico has been recruited, but since I don't know whether he's on a good or bad team, I'm not comfortable voting him yet.

Keeper Of Ravens wrote: My birds are not for sale. I care about them far too much to trust them with another.

If you love something, you should let it go.

Five votes piled onto Synonym within a half an hour? That's a little

Black Rock wrote:I would very much like to end the lynch early, it ends at 1am or something my time and I hope to be snuggled into bed with a rye and a movie by then. What do you think about 3 hours from now? Discuss.

Fine by me. I like to see the lynch post before I go to bed, rather than wake up to it.

S~V~S wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Five votes piled onto Synonym within a half an hour? That's a little
Well, i don't feel comfortable about voting Wilgy or TH tbh. I do feel good about Rico & (ironically) DH. I have no reason not to trust the Keeper. Not sure why Wilgy piled on, or Devin, though.

What are your thoughts on Synonym?

Linki @BR whatever works for you

I don't really think anything about him, as he has barely posted. He seems like a non-entity to me, and while I am fine with killing off low-posters in general, I am a little more concerned about finding the really dangerous bad guys at this point. Their powers scare me.

DharmaHelper wrote:Bummer, Man.

Bummer indeed.

I think Synonym was definitely being saved yesterday, so he gets my vote today.

I get the arguments against voting Syn, but to me it's an Occam's razor sort of scenario. The thread was locked immediately after Wilgy took the lead in the poll. The most simple explanation is that Synonym's team is protecting him. The other two explanations are that Syn himself is the thread locker or else the thread locker just did it to throw us off the track, but I find both of those considerably less likely.

We went down this same rabbit hole with TinyBubbles, trying to second guess ourselves, but in thta case it turned out that the simple answer was true. I think this will be the same.

I'll vote position 4 as well.

I have to review the case on BWT. I wasn't really around for it yesterday.

I forgot to mention that I'm out of town on business today and tomorrow. I'll do what I can.

Hey guys, I'm really sorry I've been so absent lately. Been doing a lot of traveling and it's been hard to keep up. Responding to one or two things I saw I missed, I don't think Rico is bad (I know it's out of character for me, but bear with me :P ) I don't think DH is bad. I do have a new suspect, though, and he happens to be a Marmot. I don't trust that Marmot one bit. More later when I have time.

I voted position 2.

Scotty wrote: I agree that the Judge does not seem very civ-like. Ignoring TH's potential argument again of just using a power for the sake of using a power, the only reason I can see for doing so is if the Judge was busy today and wanted another day to catch up. (Llama, is that you?)

Nope, not me.

Let me explain my suspicion of Metalmarsh89. He has felt off for me for a while, but I couldn't put my finger on it until today. His entire game has seemed to me to be based on trying to survive above all else. He has been careful to be cheerful, friendly, and not to make any enemies. His suspicions have been mild and distinctly non-combative. He has said nice things to virtually everyone and tried to generally be a pleasant person to have around in the game.

Now, I know that Metalmarsh is in real life, an extremely pleasant person, and a recall well the discussion he had with MP about trying to vary his game style after a string of early deaths, but this all feels very calculated to me. I know the way I play, and what MM has been doing reminds me of my own baddie game. When you have a team to support, you are more careful than when it's just you. It wouldn't surprise me if MM is one of the original recruiters, since this has been his style from the beginning. Of course, it's possible that he is doing it solely for the reasons he claims, but it feels phony to me, and I don't trust it.

Turnip Head wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I know the way I play, and what MM has been doing reminds me of my own baddie game. When you have a team to support, you are more careful than when it's just you.
One could say you've been playing a particularly careful game compared to your usual meta as well.

Fair point, but one could also say that I've been traveling a lot and having a harder time digging into the game. I'm still coming out with cases, though, ain't I?

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Am I not a pleasant person in this game?

By the way, I still think you are bad. I also enjoy that you are accusing me of the same behaviors you have exhibited this game.

You are a pleasant person. Too pleasant.

Since no one seems to be listening to either of us, I guess we can go on suspecting each other for the same reasons then.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Sorsha wrote:Ok so I'm confused.

We are having two night 9's and everyone should send in two actions?

Or it's really just an extended night 9?

I was thinking it was the second one but roxy seems to think its the first?

Voted 2
Night 9 has started over, that is all.

So I believe we do all have to re-send our night actions in.

You may be a baddie, but you're right about this.

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