The Syndicate

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Dom wrote:I think I can trust LoRab and think you are very wrong about her.
I do not trust Matt F because he clearly has no idea what he's talking about.
Timmer? I could see. I'm more inclined to think Bass or FS are bad.
I think we should lync timmer, then LoRab, then you.

that's funny

Sorsha wrote:In other news: Is no one suspicious of Bass anymore? It seems like he drops in here and there to vote and leave some random post but isn't doing much of anything else. I'd think he is a good candidate for the last cabal member?

I am.

Turnip Head wrote:I wonder if Bass genuinely doesn't know what the case against him is because he hasn't read :P But boiling it down to being a low poster is inaccurate and no excuse. My biggest concerns with him are still his vaguely justified Canuck vote and now the fact that he won't tell us who he thinks is bad except to NO U Sorsha.

Lest we forget "two days in a row is bad"-gate

Yikes.
I think it's pretty obvious why TH was not lynched instead of Timmer if you paid attention the other day.

Sorry guys. I just got home and caught up-- worked way more than expected. :/

TBH i'm confused by this whole situation and don't trust anyone involved. Matt F's witholding the knowledge sketches me out as much as Timmer's apparent murder.

Matt wrote:
timmer wrote:
Matt wrote:
timmer wrote:
Matt wrote:Ummmm okay.

Tim Tim, why was Turnip up for lynch?
I do not know.
Why didn't you refute SVS' claim that we are partners?
How would I have any idea if you are partners with anyone?
What does that mean? I asked you why you didn't refute SVS' claims that we (you and I) are partners?

Dom - Withholding info? Did you not read my response to that question already? I'd like to know, what is your opinion of my affiliation? You think I'm good, bad, or indy? Go.

I have been thinking civ/indy, but I really don't like the situation that's happening-- it doesn't read right to me.

Matt wrote:Elaborate. What situation doesn't read right? Me having a list and not revealing that? Lorab, who you trust, has had a list two days longer then I have. Or do you mean Turnip getting lynched in place of Timmer? That seems weird to me, too, and considering Timmer's outright neglect to challenge SVS on her accusations of me and him, as well as his own responses to me, make me want to lynch the guy next day phase.

I don't really understand why you didn't say anything until now?

I think I need to reread the day when I'm not coming off a 12 hour customer service nightmare.

Matt wrote:It never crossed my mind to. In fact, most games don't allow you to discuss PMs but I just checked and luckily I don't think I broke any rules because all it says is no reproducing PMs for this one.

And if that's the case, that makes me think we can claim whatever. In that case, I'd like some peeps to spill the beans on stuff they think they know. No more of these "breadcrumbs" as Golden put it, from reading the rules, there's nothing saying we can't discuss what we've found, as long as you don't discuss your map btsc, reproduce PMs, or discuss specific map coordinates.

So, spill.

what does this even mean

S~V~S wrote:In any case, if this is your belief, all the more reason to you for not spilling the list days ago.

^^^^

I emant to vote no on the poll.

No poll?

rip bullz

Sorsha wrote:
fingersplints wrote:I agree with ^^ a lot of this.
I'm ok with a Bass, Timmer, or TH vote and am still considering Matt. I'm not the best with roles though, so idk who is most important to lynch first.
Ditto to this. It seems like we are all on about the same page here it just comes down to choosing which one.

Long Con wrote:The Trickster is pretty tricky. It's a safe bet that they could pull off a trick like that. But the Trickster couldn't trick you into thinking that a dead team is alive.

How's this for a trick though? Timmer is off the poll today.
Looks like everyone is off the poll today!

So... no timmer?

I'll probably vote bass or matt then.

S~V~S wrote:I think lynching Matt before TH is putting the cart before the horse. The main reason I suspect him is the connection to Timmer, and subsequently to TH. The only person he could have been saving with that list is TH.

Where do you see a tie between TH and Timmer? That's where I lose you.

S~V~S wrote:I think Timmer was being thrown under the bus to save TH. He was the person who needed saving, the person who was NOT lynched via lynch save.

I think it is fairly obvious. You do not?

Linki, I think If *TH* is bad, then so is Matt. I think it likely Timmer is bad, too. But in any case, since Matts guilt is predicated on other peoples, I would rather lynch those other people first. So I am going to vote TH when the poll allows it. A saveof TH makes the most sense to me. The fact that Timmer is off the poll actually makes Matt look better to me, like with Timmeroff the poll Matt would be an obvious choice; a set up.

No because I'm not sure I suspect TH in the first place. I think Matt might've thrown Timmer under the bus to gain cred.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Well I'm not bad so that theory is wrong.

Well you haven't offered any thoughts so I don't care what you say about this until you offer something real. Honestly what the hell? You have time to make all of these quips, but not contribute substantially because you've coasted your way through this game.

You are bad.

S~V~S wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:And how do you come up with Matt and I being teammates? Lol he's been going after me for damn near half the game. Good luck getting that theory to make any sense.
Why not? He voted for Meyalmarsh the last three days,when it might have counted, not for you.

THIS post is all WIFOM, TH.

Your premise is also all WIFOM, though.

Matt wrote:
Sorsha wrote:I'm putting my vote on bass as I did yesterday. I might change depending on how the day plays out, I'm in three games right now and afraid I'm going to mix up lynch times.
How do you feel about Golden knowing the exact number of baddies left?

I feel that you need to read the roles.

Matt or Bass... which to vote for... not really sure.

Are votes changable?

voted

Matt wrote:Well, I'm civ. But after I get lynched, I think I'm going to root for the baddies. Well played, baddies.

Of my voters, I think Golden and Dom need to go next.

Anyway, go mafia!

Lovely hosts - It was a mighty fine quest, but I don't have the perseverance to continue. Thanks for the fun game!

what happened to your timmer suspicion?
LOL i'm sorry, but wtf

Matt wrote:
Dom wrote:Matt or Bass... which to vote for... not really sure.
Lol. Dude, nice job this game, Dom. I tried to go to that square you suggested but luckily fate intervened and I was given another quest. Who knows was dastardly trap you had waiting for me.

Nice job, tho, for realz.

Literally no clue what you're talking about, but okay...

I'm thinking of switching to Bass.. honestly, I think we'll find a baddie either way.

Matt wrote:Oh wait, if it's 4 to 7. Someone moves off me to Bass, then it will be 5 to 6. I can work with that.

I just need one vote! Assuming SVS doesn't change her throwaway vote from Turnip (LOL) to me.

So maybe I do need two.

C'mon civs, let's give town a win here.

do you seriously not know why svs voted TH

Matt wrote:Dom, what, you think I should be discussing Timmer when I'm trying to save myself and Timmer isn't even on the poll???

Are you serious?

Anyway, you can say you don't know what I'm talking about, but I've said a lot about you in this game where if you didn't know what I was talking about, you would've said something by now.

But yeah, vote Bass. For real.

Do you even pay attention to what people write?
You wrote about who to look at next. Not today. Me and Golden? I'm sorry, but what? What happened to your timmer suspicion? If you get lynched, instead of Timmer, who you say you're suspicious of-- you want us to look at me and Golden?
Yeah okay.

Matt wrote:
Dom wrote:
Matt wrote:Oh wait, if it's 4 to 7. Someone moves off me to Bass, then it will be 5 to 6. I can work with that.

I just need one vote! Assuming SVS doesn't change her throwaway vote from Turnip (LOL) to me.

So maybe I do need two.

C'mon civs, let's give town a win here.
do you seriously not know why svs voted TH
She thinks I'm his baddie partner. Oh, the laughter hurts.

You didn't ask me, but I think it's possible. and I highly doubt Matt doesn't know that.

Tranq wrote:I agree with that idea.

Tranq, do you think Matt really had/has no idea that TH was likely poisoned?

Voted.

sorry bass, but honestly... maybe you could present a single suspect.

Splints, if you think I'm baddie-- what team am I on?

S~V~S wrote:Personally I think, as I said regarding Bass, that letting the Circle entrench further and then handing them the Cabals kill is a bad idea. Especially if Sorsha is wrong about this person.

I am sure about 3 out of 4, not so much the 4th. I need to do some reading today.

Are we just pretending you didn't defend/avoid voting for every Cabal member we've lynched?

fingersplints wrote:
Dom wrote:Splints, if you think I'm baddie-- what team am I on?
I don't find suspects based on what team they might be on. I find suspects by what thread actions I find suspicious. I rarely pay attention to "this person is on this team". It's just not how I play.

Also I don't for sure think you are a baddie. But by my process of elimination you are least civvie seeming from what is left. If I had more then 4 options I would have also voted for Lorab, Tranq, and Draconus as I want to revisit all of them too. I'm not a big fan of limiting poll options too much.

Same question to you.

To be frank, this matters more than "how you play". Do you think I'm on the team whose members I voted for or the team that tried to NK me?

If anything you are likely Circle if bad. Although, Golden's comment gives me pause-- I might want to revisit you.

Anyway-- are you at all suspicious of SVS?

fingersplints wrote:Voting for someone doesn't necessarily prove anything. In BoB everyone swore I wasn't on team Webber because of my votes and you know how that turned out

Re:SVS

fingersplints wrote:I think we need to look into other players than those three, so I don't think it is sidetracking.

I voted those three and Dom, because I feel least civvie about Dom outside of three still. I still feel that Golden is still likely a civvie, just wrong like a bunch of us about bass. I've been playing with Golden since his first Mafia game, and he can't fake that tone. I am more paranoid I am wrong about SVS with each passing day, but not enough to abandon that trust. And I still feel ok about MM. Sorsha is also still on my ok list from golden's vouch, but I have to also consider she could be the one he is wrong about.
Everyone else is leaning civvie/neutral/need to revisit
It's hard for me to articulate without rulebreaking. There is some out of thread stuff I need to mull over some.

I don't really know what you want me to say or even why you suspect me, so... okay.

SVS DID NOT vote for Luke at all.
SVS ONLY voted for juliets when it was a landslide lynch against her (and she was lynched after many attempts).
SVS was QUICK to vote Floyd.

S~V~S wrote:I think Sorsha mistrusted mac,and has been annoyed at me since he died, tbh. I think her misplaced trust has led her to jump to false conclusions. And anyone who was aligned with MM would just be stupid to kill Hammy, lol. If anything that looked more like a set up kill to me.

I have to check with LC before I say a few things I would like to say about Mac and about secret roles and what I learned from a little research.

Gonna go with Timmer & TH, also Matt, and I was not sure about the 4th, but Dom for this post:

Dom wrote:SVS DID NOT vote for Luke at all.
SVS ONLY voted for juliets when it was a landslide lynch against her (and she was lynched after many attempts).
SVS was QUICK to vote Floyd.
When he KNOWS how I can be about people I care about like Jules, since it is the same reason I give him the pass all the time. This post is opportunistic in the extreme. Shame, Dom.

Not true.
You "give me a pass" because I'm your blindspot, as you put it.

Now, is Juliets a blindspot for you? Is she someone who tends to trick you? Is she someone who you tend to read as civvie, no matter what?
Is Luke?

No, you actively avoided their lynches, and launched several counter campaigns against their lynches. But as I thought/think about those Witherdeath lynches, something doesn't sit right. Floyd seems too easy, and his role doesn't scream baddie to me. So unless he was recruited somehow, I'm doubting that his role was a baddie role. And who was one of the people that led the charge against Floyd?
You.

Also, that post of yours was designed to be emotionally manipulative, and I won't fall for it.

Matt are you serious

I haven't heard about a Spirit oracle.
That doesn't mean all that much, but I haven't.

Matt's lying.

Golden wrote:
Golden wrote:Matt - in respect of your grand quest - do the words 'avatar of maligna' mean anything to you?
Matt ^^

Don't trust him.

He knows things he should not know unless he's lied about who he's talked to.
He is lying about things.

I voted.

Golden wrote:I'm going to hear Matt out. I wouldn't I say I trust him... his quest might be just as beneficial to him no matter his affiliation. But I don't think he is lying about having a quest - do you have reason to think that?

I've seen evidence that being put on a quest is something that could happen in this game. I haven't had one myself.

Specifically about the quest?
No.

Matt wrote:
Dom wrote:
Golden wrote:
Golden wrote:Matt - in respect of your grand quest - do the words 'avatar of maligna' mean anything to you?
Matt ^^
Don't trust him.

He knows things he should not know unless he's lied about who he's talked to.
He is lying about things.
First, Golden, no those words don't mean anything, but let me check my list. Nope not on my list.

Second, Dom, oh really? Since I happen to know everything I just said is 100% truthful, I'm interested to know what exactly I'm lying about?

Gonna ask you to back the hell off tbh

I'm done for the night.

I'm sorry guys-- I'm a bit frustrated with how Matt F has been talking about our interactions because he has act one ounce of subtlety or tact.

Anyway-- Matt knows something about me that he should not know if his story is true.

Fine, Matt.

Matt is lying about a few things. Telling you what he is lying about requires me to out myself-- something I do not do. Matt has put me in a position where I either have to sit here and listen to him lie about the circumstances of his quest or I out myself-- but Matt's done quite a nice job doing that anyway.

Bottom Line: if Matt's story is true he shouldn't know my role. There's more to it than that, but that's the big thing that just makes me more sure he's witholding information.

Matt wrote:
Dom wrote:Fine, Matt.

Matt is lying about a few things. Telling you what he is lying about requires me to out myself-- something I do not do. Matt has put me in a position where I either have to sit here and listen to him lie about the circumstances of his quest or I out myself-- but Matt's done quite a nice job doing that anyway.
Well I'm not lying about jack, so you're the ultimate betrayer.

Luckily for you, I believe members of this forum probably put more trust in you then in me, but for this game, they shouldn't.

With the way you play-- they should.

Matt wrote:
Dom wrote:Bottom Line: if Matt's story is true he shouldn't know my role. There's more to it than that, but that's the big thing that just makes me more sure he's witholding information.
Oh my, you are such a baddie. You've got to be. I'm civ, I'm not lying, you know my role, you accuse me of lying and being bad...

Like I said, even if lynched, I'm comforted that you'll be lynched shortly thereafter.

I have three options on your role:

1) You are civ and I am wrong
2) You have been recruited somehow
3) You are the trickster

NOTE: Matt still hasn't addressed how he knows my role.

IF Matt was telling the truth here, he should not know. However, he's hiding something.

I would add that there's also the fourth possibility that your role was baddie from the beginning and my hunch about that role is wrong.

So, 3/4 of my options lead to you being bad.

Notice how I didn't spell everything out for everyone like that until you literally outed me. Learn some tact.

Matt also thinks becuse his "quest was doomed" means I am not civvie?? Like??? What???

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Dom wrote:Matt also thinks becuse his "quest was doomed" means I am not civvie?? Like??? What???
If you are a civvie, maybe his quest would be fulfilled... by someone else.

In that case, would he be "doomed" and would "dark times" be ahead?

He wasn't doomed-- his quest was. Interesting take though.

He could no longer complete his "quest" that I never sent him on.

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