The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I am writing a post, but why was I purple a second ago?

I was just messing around with the color scheme.

I liked it. Do it again. Yellow sucks.

Also, the kids are in bed, so I'm finishing my post.

Duly noted. I just was playing around to see if I liked certain colors better.

Looking forward to it.

Obviously, see what the other mods think. I feel more dashing!

birdwithteeth11 wrote:So when do I get a title? You should get on that and give me something funny/creative. You slacker. :P

You already have a title. You're just not allowed to see it.

Analysis incoming.

I am operating under WWED? or, "What would Epignosis Do?" I am also operating under the belief that Made and Enrique were teammates. Below are two lynch votes. One is where Enrique and Made were voted, and the second is when Enrique got lynched. Note that this doesn't account for switched votes.

Enrique
10
Epignosis (2), Black Rock (6), Bass_the_Clever (7), Snow Dog (8), sabie12 (12), Chris (15), Hedgeowl (22), keys56000000000 (23), Long Con (24), Spacedaisy (26) 36%

Made
14
S~V~S (4), DFaraday (9), Enrique (10), juliets (11), Turnip Head (13), Elohcin (14), Dom (17), zeek (18), nijuukyugou (19), Roxy (20), Gotrees (21), Dana (25), Made (27), MovingPictures07 (28) 50%

++++

Enrique
17
Black Rock (2), Hedgeowl (7), sabie12 (8), MovingPictures07 (9), Long Con (10), Epignosis (11), juliets (12), Elohcin (13), Bass_the_Clever (14), DFaraday (16), Dom (17), Snow Dog (18), Metalmarsh89 (19), Roxy (20), nijuukyugou (22), keys56000000000 (23), Spacedaisy (24) 65%

++++

So, do you want to lynch a Dalek or a Cyberman next?

If you want a Dalek, then:

S~V~S
juliets
Dom
nijuukyugou
Roxy
Gotrees
Dana
MovingPictures07

One of these eight are Dalek thingies.

MP isn't, because he's obvious as shit (sorry MP). Also, he's vouching for Dana, so she's out.
Gotrees has been very helpful. I'm giving him a pass because fuck it and welcome to The Syndicate.
Roxy voted for Made and then voted for Enrique and accused me of role checking. Roxy, I'm smart. Deal with it. Roxy's okay I think.
nijuujyugou is good. She has a tell. Unlike most tells, she has a GOOD tell, not a bad one. Looking forward to her harassing me at work over what that could be.
Dom's a smug arsehole. Good. Drives me nuts though.
juliets. She's right. I suck at reading her.
S~V~S. Annoying as shit. And civilian.

++++

If you want to lynch a Cyber dude, then it's a little tougher but I'm looking at the Snow Dog lynch:

Snow Dog lynch:

Snow Dog
6
zeek (16), Enrique (22), Gotrees (24), MovingPictures07 (27), Dana (28), Metalmarsh89 (29)
21%

Tell me a Cyber dude didn't vote there. However, zeek was killed by them, and Enrique was Dalek. MP I think is good and he is good with Dana. So:

Gotrees? Who the hell knows. But he's helpful.

MM? Dalek according to others. I think he's Cyber.

Roxy wrote:Epii - can you quote and link where you said this robot statement?

...

No.

S~V~S wrote:I think most people are thinking you are a cyber kinda guy.

Nah. I'm more of a phone sex kinda guy.

Eloh and I had a long, long distance relationship. Think about it.

Yes, I'm sure the lie detector would like to spend 8 Nights checking those.

Roxy wrote:Epi - what do you think of sabie saying she needs to read through things but knows enough to know that we are discussing lie detectors?
They would not waste 8 nights if they just check the one that says I am a good girl.

She didn't vote for me, so she's doing better than you regardless of what she's read or hasn't read.

I want to remind people why Roxy is voting for me.

Epignosis wrote:I see you suspect me as a Cyberman, Roxy.

I have been gunning for Enrique since the beginning. And I had Made pegged as Enrique's teammate for some time (since this post, if you want to know). A couple other posts reinforced that view, and even after I died, I still kept up. Unlike what you are accusing me of, I don't reveal all of my cards before the flop. I often bide my time on a given suspicion and see how things will play out. Now given that much, with Enrique's lynch and Made's lynch so close, I observed that Enrique voted quickly for Made, but Made refrained from voting for Enrique. A civilian with no BTSC would vote to save himself (except Ep1 ). Under the impression that they were teammates, that refusal to vote for Enrique made things clearer.

Let's assume your theory, that I am now a robot (well...I was a robot but never mind ) is true, and that I had info on Enrique and Made. This means that in three nights, the robot role checker would have had to have checked BOTH Made and Enrique, the latter of whom Ep1 happened to openly suspect- hard. My domain is language, not mathematics, but accounting for deaths and the fact that they wouldn't check their own crew, I estimate that the chance of both checks happening by Day 4 is 4.2%. Of course, that doesn't account for role blocks or the panoply of human interaction over the Internet. Finally, your theory means that I would have had to be willing to tip my hand to accomplish something that would happen without my intervention.

Which scenario is more likely?

Roxy wrote:If you don't mind I would rather people read MY posts to know why I voted foryou not a carefully worded post you made.

Unusual answer from you inre: sabie.

I don't want people to read your posts. They're threats to my existence.

And yes it was. What could it mean?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I going to go ahead a vote Epig

Spoken like a drunken caveman.

MovingPictures07 wrote:The dichotomy of the votes being 6-6-2-1-1 this late in the lynch makes me wonder if the two main contenders are either baddies on opposing teams, or if one is baddie and one is civ (if I had to guess here, MM as bad and Epig 2.0 as civ).

Guess we'll see.

On the one hand, I want to live. On the other, I like seeing people look foolish. It's kind of win-win for me.

S~V~S wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:The dichotomy of the votes being 6-6-2-1-1 this late in the lynch makes me wonder if the two main contenders are either baddies on opposing teams, or if one is baddie and one is civ (if I had to guess here, MM as bad and Epig 2.0 as civ).

Guess we'll see.

On the one hand, I want to live. On the other, I like seeing people look foolish. It's kind of win-win for me.

If you are a civvie, for god's sake, save yourself.

Now, gotta go for real, BBL folks.

Epi doesn't believe in "playing like a civvie". This is the only thing he's said in this game that has given me pause since he replaced back in. But it isn't enough to change my mind, I will risk looking foolish~ I do it with class & style

And, if I may offer a compliment, I respect you for that.

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:The dichotomy of the votes being 6-6-2-1-1 this late in the lynch makes me wonder if the two main contenders are either baddies on opposing teams, or if one is baddie and one is civ (if I had to guess here, MM as bad and Epig 2.0 as civ).

Guess we'll see.

On the one hand, I want to live. On the other, I like seeing people look foolish. It's kind of win-win for me.

If you're gonna use sketchy language on purpose to get people's suspicions up to prove some point, then you getting lynched for it kind of makes you look foolish. There were so many ways to have ended this differently. "I'm not a baddie" instead of Sketchy McSketchersons.

Say what you like to justify your vote if/when I flip. I play the game my way. Always.

S~V~S wrote:Were you to occasionally play it OUR way, you might get a civ win or two. Just saying :whistle:

NEVER!

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:The dichotomy of the votes being 6-6-2-1-1 this late in the lynch makes me wonder if the two main contenders are either baddies on opposing teams, or if one is baddie and one is civ (if I had to guess here, MM as bad and Epig 2.0 as civ).

Guess we'll see.

On the one hand, I want to live. On the other, I like seeing people look foolish. It's kind of win-win for me.

If you're gonna use sketchy language on purpose to get people's suspicions up to prove some point, then you getting lynched for it kind of makes you look foolish. There were so many ways to have ended this differently. "I'm not a baddie" instead of Sketchy McSketchersons.

Say what you like to justify your vote if/when I flip. I play the game my way. Always.

The vote is already justified, you made sure of that with your sly not-quite-LD-statement. I don't know what your endgame is for a "strategy" like that.

My endgame strategy is to have fun. And I am accomplishing that. The only full game I have ever won was my very first here, and I was evil. So I amuse myself whenever possible.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm moving my vote to Epi. No hard feelings mate, but I don't want to be lynched.

No hard feelings sir.

Hedgeowl wrote:

sabie12 wrote:Its a tough call btwn made and enrique. Theyve both survived nks under mysterious circumstances and Im thinking they might be connected. My vote is currently going to Enrique because I feel that voting him or made will finally find us a baddie. Looks like we are close to a tie so it may not matter which I choose anyway. Also sorry the typing is so atrocious. Im on my tablet.

Ok see this is the stuff i am finding curious post made/enrique. What made you think they were connected sabie. I need to keep reading back before this, but i am wondering.

I voted Mm for now since i didnt want to run out of time. i am trying to find if Epi was the first perosn to bring up a made/enri connection or if others were discussing it first.

I believe it was me first.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Roxy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:The dichotomy of the votes being 6-6-2-1-1 this late in the lynch makes me wonder if the two main contenders are either baddies on opposing teams, or if one is baddie and one is civ (if I had to guess here, MM as bad and Epig 2.0 as civ).

Guess we'll see.

It makes me feel like Epi is being saved.

It could be, but if that were the case, and MM is a Dalek, that makes Epig a Cyberman.

I disagree?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Roxy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:The dichotomy of the votes being 6-6-2-1-1 this late in the lynch makes me wonder if the two main contenders are either baddies on opposing teams, or if one is baddie and one is civ (if I had to guess here, MM as bad and Epig 2.0 as civ).

Guess we'll see.

It makes me feel like Epi is being saved.

It could be, but if that were the case, and MM is a Dalek, that makes Epig a Cyberman.

I disagree?

Why the question mark?

Because I am uncertain about my alignment and would like to indicate that in a humorous manner?

Roxy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Roxy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:The dichotomy of the votes being 6-6-2-1-1 this late in the lynch makes me wonder if the two main contenders are either baddies on opposing teams, or if one is baddie and one is civ (if I had to guess here, MM as bad and Epig 2.0 as civ).

Guess we'll see.

It makes me feel like Epi is being saved.

It could be, but if that were the case, and MM is a Dalek, that makes Epig a Cyberman.

Or MM is civ/secret role/Master and Epi is still Cyber

I hope I live. I would like to expose you.

Hedgeowl wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Gotrees wrote:

Long Con wrote:I would think Made, if he were Emperor Dalek, would still not want to be lynched, and thus exposed as that role to the more suspicious of us. A save of him to keep his cover makes sense.

Good point. I suppose in that sense a save could still potentially make sense.

It makes lots of sense, actually.

This is totally baseless though -- what reason do we even have to think Made is Emperor Dalek?

Because I suggested it and people believe everything I say.

Made still hasn't voted against Enrique.

can you tell me where you suggested it? Searching dalek and emperor was useless so far in your posts.

You got it:

Here and here.

And TH was more explicit about the possibility before I posted what's in the second link:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 893#p88893

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Roxy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:The dichotomy of the votes being 6-6-2-1-1 this late in the lynch makes me wonder if the two main contenders are either baddies on opposing teams, or if one is baddie and one is civ (if I had to guess here, MM as bad and Epig 2.0 as civ).

Guess we'll see.

It makes me feel like Epi is being saved.

It could be, but if that were the case, and MM is a Dalek, that makes Epig a Cyberman.

I disagree?

Why the question mark?

Because I am uncertain about my alignment and would like to indicate that in a humorous manner?

Then I hope you are laughing as much as I am right now?

I probably am.

Roxy wrote:Oh I am sure you will live Epi - didn't you recruit players for this game too?

I recruited one.

In case I die, I reread you twice today. You are disingenuous as hell. You don't actually believe in your case against me. If I live, I will demonstrate that.

Why wait to see if I live? I'll show why Roxy's disingenuous now.

Roxy wrote:Epi - you would have been ballsy enough to tip your hand and then use wifom for defense. You are a role checker or the role checker is on your team.
And why wouldn't they have checked Made or Enrique since both have been topic for discussion for some time now. That way they would know how to play it. You decided for a balls to the wall approach - which is pure Epi.

Roxy wrote:Epi - you could just say you aren't a robot for the lie detector, like zeek suggested but you didn't why?

Besides your refutation was not adequate - and if you are civ you would know "adequate " just doesn't cut it. give the lie detector something to check....

Chris check metalmarshs post he has been the only one lately working on them.

I'm ballsy enough to use WIFOM as my defense (I didn't. I used something called "math")- but I'm too scared to utter a statement for a lie detector? Bullshit.

Roxy wrote:I am sorry to not have been here sooner we had a dinner to attend and it ran longer than I expected. DP took care of MPATHG for me so I could vote then relax some.

So much of Made is this role Enrique is this role - how can anyone act so certain as to assign specific roles before the lynch is even over? I guess I am not smart enough to be able to place people in particular roles this early in a game. I guess a rolechecker could though

That said I feel better about voting Made over Enrique just bc Made is acting differently this game. I am not sure I should trust Epi quite yet and after his replacing in I have no ideas where his allegience may lie. Ergo I don't want to trust a case made by someone I can't yet trust.

*votes Made*

Who assigned specific roles? This is something Roxy has accused me of but has not produced a shred of evidence to show it. In fact, I asked her where I did:

Epignosis wrote:

Roxy wrote:I am voting Enrique. If he shows as the role Epi said then I will be voting Epi until either him or me is dead.

Oh? What role was that?

She said I claimed a role for Enrique. I didn't. She never answered my question. I know why she didn't. She can't.

Roxy wrote:Epi 2 put him into a role and did not stop there he put Made into a role too. Yet you are ignoring those facts.

Said it again, but can't show it.

This is how I know she has no faith in her case:

Roxy wrote:I am voting Enrique. If he shows as the role Epi said then I will be voting Epi until either him or me is dead.

She never said what role I said he'd flip (because I didn't have that information), but:

Roxy wrote:I will prob vote epi
Mostly bc I feel the case is stronger than Metal or MP. Besides I really feel MP is civ this game. he has that indignant quality to his posts.

That's a lack of conviction if I ever saw one. The case is stronger? What case? Hers? The one where I need role checker to kick ass? Sorry, I rock with a team or without one.

Hey Roxy! Guess what? I'm going to vote YOU until I die.

Excellent.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Excellent.

I disagree?

Well done.

S~V~S wrote:I went with Non Dr Who cause I don't want to compete with the hosts.

And interesting~ he was recruited. it does not say by whom, though. I am going to guess the Daleks, because i tend to believe in the Snowy Lynch/Saving Made theory.

Read the roles. He was recruited by The Master.

The Master: A renegade Time Lord and archenemy of The Doctor. As a child, he was forced to look into the Untempered Schism as all Time Lords did. However, he went insane as a result of this. The only thing he seeks is the death of The Doctor and the enslavement of the universe with himself as the ultimate ruler and ultimate Time Lord. He will stop at nothing to achieve these goals. Kills on odd nights. *Secrets* The first three attempts on his life will be blocked. Every night, he attempts to find Lucy Saxon, his wife/companion. If he finds her, they gain BTSC. Due to his strong ability as a hypnotist, once in the game he can force every night action that night to be randomly redirected to someone other than the original target. This is up to and including kill attempts.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
I would like to find The Master though, so I think we should pay attention to people surviving kills (yes, I realize I did, but I also explained how I did, due to my prize), particularly those who say they don't know how they survived. At the moment, this would be BR.

I forgot, Elo should be added to this list too.

Even though she said she knows how she survived... it's interesting to note now several facts:

1) Daisy and Dana were vouching for each other for quite some time, hard.
2) The Master killed Daisy last night.
3) Metalmarsh, who is now revealed to be Lucy Saxon, was gunning after Dana hard, after abandoning it for a few cycles.
4) Guess who else said Dana was "bad, bad, bad"? Elo.

Eloh voted MM second to last though. And the reasoning she gave for doing it could hardly be considered distancing:

Elohcin wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I know this is not the best way to go about this, but I am voting for the person I think is least civ rather than more suspicious. *votes MM*

Linki....I still think Dana is bad bad bad too.

Why do you think I am not very civ? And why wouldn't a vote for Dana be a better alternative?

I didn't say I thought you were "not very civ" that is twisting words a bit. I said I thought Epi seems more civ than you. Meaning, I am more sure that Epi is civ than I am sure that you are.

As for Dana, why would I vote her when my vote would be meaningless?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wow, weird result.

Epig, good point regarding Elo. That would be a weird distancing vote.

Chris wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Jack Harkness and Sarah Jane Smith only have a percentage chance to survive NKs at that.

Wut? Where did you get that from?

Chris, I haven't ignored this; I've been really busy. Over the next week or so I might not be able to respond to posts quickly at all.

Anyway, read Sarah Jane's role. It CLEARLY says "if she is targeted by a hostile alien life form, there is a 50% chance that nothing will happen."

Also, Capt. Jack I've mostly decoded, but even undecoded his role gives a similar hint "he is extremely difficult to kill. Sometimes."

So, yeah. Last I checked there aren't any protections this game.

After you've now survived two kills,

Actually, your whole "MP is the Cyber Controller" theory from earlier might make sense if you are the Cyber Controller. We all know that baddies tend to talk about their own roles.

Chris voted for me when MM and I had two votes. I am of the opinion that The Master voted to keep his recruit from getting lynched.

Epignosis 2.0
7
Roxy (9), S~V~S (10), Chris (11), Dom (12), Long Con (14), Bass_the_Clever (19), Metalmarsh89 (22) 32%

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wow, weird result.

Epig, good point regarding Elo. That would be a weird distancing vote.

Chris wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Jack Harkness and Sarah Jane Smith only have a percentage chance to survive NKs at that.

Wut? Where did you get that from?

Chris, I haven't ignored this; I've been really busy. Over the next week or so I might not be able to respond to posts quickly at all.

Anyway, read Sarah Jane's role. It CLEARLY says "if she is targeted by a hostile alien life form, there is a 50% chance that nothing will happen."

Also, Capt. Jack I've mostly decoded, but even undecoded his role gives a similar hint "he is extremely difficult to kill. Sometimes."

So, yeah. Last I checked there aren't any protections this game.

After you've now survived two kills,

Actually, your whole "MP is the Cyber Controller" theory from earlier might make sense if you are the Cyber Controller. We all know that baddies tend to talk about their own roles.

Chris voted for me when MM and I had two votes. I am of the opinion that The Master voted to keep his recruit from getting lynched.

Epignosis 2.0
7
Roxy (9), S~V~S (10), Chris (11), Dom (12), Long Con (14), Bass_the_Clever (19), Metalmarsh89 (22) 32%

While this is certainly possible, Epig, why don't you think it was one of the later voters? I understand that you're looking at Chris being the Master because he survived 2 NKs, but do you think it would make sense for the Master to vote for you later rather than sooner given how close it was? I'm looking at Chris for the same reason as I think you are, but I am unsure why you think the master would vote so early for you.

You can change your vote, so if someone else started taking more votes than me, no biggie. Looking back over the votes, that Day when it was Made and Snow Dog taking votes, Enrique voted Snowy second. So it happens.

keys56000000000 wrote:That's a pretty reasonable conclusion there, Epignosis. But I don't know about your logic re: Chris. So it was 2 - 2 and Chris made it 3 - 2? What if it was 2 - 1, wouldn't Chris want to make it 2 - 2? I agree that The Master probably did vote for you in an attempt to save his only teammate, but it could have been any of those voters. There was a lot of momentum against MM, The Master would have been anticipating his lynch.

All that said, Bass at vote 19 stands out to me.

MM & I were the only people getting talked about that last Day. Nobody else took more than one vote. Plus, like I told Dom, votes can be changed. Voting order is less relevant given these points.

I am not a robot.

Like, how many times do I have to say it?

I've been trying to maintain an open mind here, but the following posts are contradictory:

Chris wrote:I went for Epig without much reason other than I was tired of hearing about the lie detector shit, and he was acting differently enough for me to vote him just to end it. It wasn't a great reason, but I also didn't care who was lynched between the two of them.

Chris wrote:We were all set to lynch Epig, let's do that. If you still think that I'm bad after that, then lynch me.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 430#p90430

So let me get this straight: You voted for me because you didn't care who got lynched, just that you were tired of hearing about the lie detector business, and that I'm acting differently (without specifying how)? Now you speak for the group when I didn't even receive half the votes cast?

Then:

Chris wrote:I'll reiterate, just because I suspect someone, even if that someone is a civvie, it doesn't mean I'm bad.

Your entire rationale for voting Ep1:

Chris wrote:Changed my vote.

*votes Epignosis*

I seem to remember you getting juliets killed.

That's a double standard. The courtesy you expect to be extended to you is one you don't extend to others.

keys56000000000 wrote:...where ad hominems are used ...

keys56000000000 wrote:with lazy players... Later, eggheads.

keys56000000000 wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:...where ad hominems are used ...

keys56000000000 wrote:with lazy players... Later, eggheads.

You beat me to it.

If players vote for Chris based on this poor lynchtrain case, without offering much else, then yeah, that's lazy. That's not an ad hominem, because it's not something irrelevant to a case I'm making. The case I'm making is that some players are lazy, therefore it is apt to call them lazy. And I'm being sarcastic when I call this Chris lynchmob "eggheads". It's designed to mock their poor case. Again, not an ad hominem. I really think an English teacher of all people would know the difference, maybe you're just not a very good teacher.

Dom, do you ever have an original thought? Or do you just piggy-back on others all the time?

I could teach a lesson on irony using this post alone.

keys56000000000 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:...where ad hominems are used ...

keys56000000000 wrote:with lazy players... Later, eggheads.

You beat me to it.

If players vote for Chris based on this poor lynchtrain case, without offering much else, then yeah, that's lazy. That's not an ad hominem, because it's not something irrelevant to a case I'm making. The case I'm making is that some players are lazy, therefore it is apt to call them lazy. And I'm being sarcastic when I call this Chris lynchmob "eggheads". It's designed to mock their poor case. Again, not an ad hominem. I really think an English teacher of all people would know the difference, maybe you're just not a very good teacher.

Dom, do you ever have an original thought? Or do you just piggy-back on others all the time?

I could teach a lesson on irony using this post alone.

Please do so, I'm curious to hear if you have any actual substance to go with your bravado or if you are, as I suspect, an empty shell of a pseudo-intellectual.

Sure beats being full of shit.

Roxy wrote:If you think epi is civ then vote me but I guarantee after I am gone you willlynch him next followedby sabie (which no one else has pointed out). they are cyber.I am not cyber.nor am I a robot.

Your entire case against me is built around the notion that I am a role checker or that I am on a team with a role checker. Therefore the only way this statement makes any sense is if you are bad.

Hedgeowl wrote:So Epi what I am wondering is did the idea come from you before DF's post? Df did address my question below and seemed to change his mind about the possible teammates.

If I am understanding your question correctly...

I made this post on Sat Oct 04, 2014 10:26 pm:

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:Epig, do you think my concerns with Made are valid?

English teacher fail.

I didn't directly address your question at all.

Dom wrote:Initially, Made said he missed something I said, and subsequently said he misread it. I thought teammates had filled him in on something, and he screwed up. I pressured. Response: lashing out, no u, misrepresentation. Then, he got very angry, and that read as even more baddie. He seems cornered.

It has also been said that Made has been behaving differently than in other games. My sample size is small, but I'd say "lashing out, no u, misrepresentation" is par for the course when he's good.

If I am suspicious of Made, it's because he's defended Enrique, who moves around more than Bill Clinton's underwear.

The post you listed from DF is from Sun Oct 05, 2014 2:40 pm, after my Saturday response to Dom.

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Roxy wrote:If you think epi is civ then vote me but I guarantee after I am gone you willlynch him next followedby sabie (which no one else has pointed out). they are cyber.I am not cyber.nor am I a robot.

Your entire case against me is built around the notion that I am a role checker or that I am on a team with a role checker. Therefore the only way this statement makes any sense is if you are bad.

Epig, can you explain what you mean by this? I am confused.

Roxy believes that I am a role checker or that I am on a team with a role checker, i.e., a Cyberman. I'm not, but she believes I am. Very well.

She says that if you think I'm civilian then vote for her. She guarantees that after she's dead you will lynch me next.

Now then, if Roxy gets lynched and is civilian, does that provide credence for her claim that I am a role checker or on a team with one? No. For her claim against me to have any merit whatsoever, she has to be bad.

To summarize it:

Roxy: Epignosis has to be a role checker or on a team with a role checker. That's how he knew Enrique was bad. If anyone disagrees with me, then lynch me, and then you'll see that I'm right.

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Roxy wrote:If you think epi is civ then vote me but I guarantee after I am gone you willlynch him next followedby sabie (which no one else has pointed out). they are cyber.I am not cyber.nor am I a robot.

Your entire case against me is built around the notion that I am a role checker or that I am on a team with a role checker. Therefore the only way this statement makes any sense is if you are bad.

Epig, can you explain what you mean by this? I am confused.

Roxy believes that I am a role checker or that I am on a team with a role checker, i.e., a Cyberman. I'm not, but she believes I am. Very well.

She says that if you think I'm civilian then vote for her. She guarantees that after she's dead you will lynch me next.

Now then, if Roxy gets lynched and is civilian, does that provide credence for her claim that I am a role checker or on a team with one? No. For her claim against me to have any merit whatsoever, she has to be bad.

To summarize it:

Roxy: Epignosis has to be a role checker or on a team with a role checker. That's how he knew Enrique was bad. If anyone disagrees with me, then lynch me, and then you'll see that I'm right.

I think you are purposefully taking Roxy literally when she clearly meant something else, tbh.

Clearly? Then please tell me what she meant. Because I'm not seeing it.

juliets wrote:Epi I've been mostly focused on the whole LD portion of the case against you but since that is cleared up I need to think about your baddie hunting. The claim against you seems fair - I haven't seen you baddie hunt in your normal aggressive style. The style you used with me, even though I was good. What's going on with the baddie-hunting since you subbed back in? If you've answered this amidst all the other lie detector stuff I missed it.

I don't think this reasoning is fair at all: I'm either aggressive and therefore bad (see Ep1) or not aggressive enough and therefore bad.
I was adamant about Enrique getting lynched when I came back, and argued hard against him. Once Enrique was finally lynched (on Day 5), I've had to defend myself, and that's all I really got to do Day 6.

Chris wrote:How is it that Epig got HALF the votes yesterday, and today he's not even an afterthought?

I didn't get half the votes. You should know that much.

Sorry...can't defend....Internet....being.............wired....I MEAN....WEIRD....gah!

Dom wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Sorry...can't defend....Internet....being.............wired....I MEAN....WEIRD....gah!

I'm tempted to vote for you just for this.

Making a joke?

Ah, but your ignoring my post is acceptable though.

Um, you're lazy and get back to work!

Elohcin wrote:Woot Woot People! I picked a yummy salad with lots of crunchy goodness - like sunflower seeds, carrots, and crunchy lettuce of course. But don't forget the boiled eggs and cranberries. Mmm mmm!

So we went on an awesome field trip today! It was to a corn maze with other things like very tall tube slides, a huge jumping pad, playgrounds, hay ride, animals, pumpkin patch, a corn house (seriously, a house FULL of corn kernals. Kind of like a sand box or a ball pit, but CORN about two feet deep....it was SO very cool. I know it sounds weird, but you have not experienced all the good things in life until you have laid in two feet of corn kernals.) Anyway....and we saw llamas. We told the kids we had to take a picture with the llamas and show Logan hehe. So..I will be posting that as soon as Epi allows me to use him computer

Excuse my wife. She seldom gets out.

Black Rock wrote:

Chris wrote:The MM lynch was the one that ended early.

If Epig is with MP, that lynch could have been a choice of picking the lesser of the two evils with MP. Or it could have just been a matter of it ending early and screwing up any possible plans.

I highly suggest you all re-read MP with the mind that he could be The Master, and that Roxy and MM were both recruited.

It starts to look very interesting.

Then remember the people vouching for MP or intereacting with MP a lot. LC, Epig, SVS... all people I'd recruit if I was a recruiting Indy killer.

I'm not making a case that he is The Master. I need someone else's view on the possibility. Someone who is not LC, Epig, SVS, or Hedgie please.

I think, in order for MP to be a civ, he can only be one role. And it doesn't make much sense that people would be saying they think he's a civ based on anything role related.

Black Rock, you were targeted. What do you think of the possibility that MP is The Master?

I just saw this on a reread. I am very confidant that MP is a civvie and I even have him pegged as a role. I don't think he is the Master.

Agreed.

Elohcin wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Chris wrote:The MM lynch was the one that ended early.

If Epig is with MP, that lynch could have been a choice of picking the lesser of the two evils with MP. Or it could have just been a matter of it ending early and screwing up any possible plans.

I highly suggest you all re-read MP with the mind that he could be The Master, and that Roxy and MM were both recruited.

It starts to look very interesting.

Then remember the people vouching for MP or intereacting with MP a lot. LC, Epig, SVS... all people I'd recruit if I was a recruiting Indy killer.

I'm not making a case that he is The Master. I need someone else's view on the possibility. Someone who is not LC, Epig, SVS, or Hedgie please.

I think, in order for MP to be a civ, he can only be one role. And it doesn't make much sense that people would be saying they think he's a civ based on anything role related.

Black Rock, you were targeted. What do you think of the possibility that MP is The Master?

I just saw this on a reread. I am very confidant that MP is a civvie and I even have him pegged as a role. I don't think he is the Master.

Agreed.

Why do you think MP is civ?

Three reasons. First, he has a distinct tell when he's bad. Second, his instance that people lynch him? MP doesn't do gambits like that. He wants to prove something. I believe that. Third, I usually suck at decoding those puzzles on the front page, but I decoded three of them enough to cement the idea in my mind.