The Syndicate

Oh maybe its just shakespear cause that line was Macbeth.

As I start the day today I'm considering three people for a vote tonight.

I believe DH's theory that Typh is the penguin though what bea said about him being more restrictive with a curse does cause me pause because Typh is indeed that experienced. I really would like to hear what he has to say about it though and since he's working now I hope he comes on when he gets home.

The BR case comparing her from one game to another also appeals to me. Again though, I'd like to hear what BR has to say about herself. I did reread her yesterday and I don't have anything I can add to the case.

I'm still dithering over the Mac case. It's hard because I read him so hard as civ and to consider a vote for him I have to bring my mind around to see him as bad. I also thought he did a good job defending himself. If he is bad it sounds like he's mafia where as Typh looks like an independent and I don't know about BR. My point is he could be the worst of the three if all three are "bad".

I don't get the remarks being made about Matt. To me it looks so clear that he was cursed by a different person last night than the one who cursed him the night before. I know Matt can be a little crazy but I find it difficult to believe he chose to post in lines from Shakespeare. So in short, i don't understand why there is suspicion on him.

Dom wrote:"Hey guys, what if there's a role that has to only post in "riddles" like knock knock jokes and quoting shakespeare and we called it The Riddler. LOL woudln't that player just have teh best time!?"

But wouldn't that out the person almost immediately?

Enrique, I'd still like to hear your case on sig in time for him to respond before the vote. Also, you said last night you had a conspiracy theory?

Bullz and Dom, who are you looking at for a vote today?

sprityo wrote:Okay so the whole thing on "typh is more experienced and wouldn't do such a not good blackmail." If it's not him then who would it be?

I don't have an answer to this which is why i think it probably is Typh. The experience thing gives me pause but in the end i can't see another answer besides Typh is Penguin. I do still want to see his defense though. i like all sides of the story I can get.

EBWOP: sprityo is Typh your leading candidate for a vote?

Bullz i think it was DH's theory. I'll look for it.

First there is this comment by TH:

Turnip Head wrote:
sprityo wrote:perhaps someone who is suspecting of sig (that isnt MP of course)

but that could be almost anyone, right?
If this is the Penguin's doing then it's one of these three amigos

MovingPictures07
3
DharmaHelper (13), Dom (15), Typhoony (22) 9%

Then there is this comment by DH:

DharmaHelper wrote:I voted for SVS Day 1, Dom voted for Scotty. IIRC, neither of them seem to have exhibited Penguinifications.

Typhoony voted for Wilgy, who died before any such blackmailery could take place.

That is pretty much the case Bullz.

Bullzeye wrote:Thanks JC! I'd been searching 'Typh' in the search bar and only finding references to the discussion, not the original theory. For some reason searching Typh's full name never occurred to me. It does look pretty convincing. The only question I have is, how much does it matter? The Penguin wins by surviving and doesn't seem so great a threat that we'd desperately want him out just yet IMO.

Yes, I had that same thought. That's one of the reasons I said if Mac is bad, Neros partner, then he's mafia and that would definitely be worse in my mind than Typh being the penguin.

Scotty wrote:I am not going to vote for Typh or Matt today. I think deducing the identities of the independents is important, but not necessary yet.

Enrique is giving me pause. I want him to come back and clarify some things for me, since he's gone back on two of his theories thus far.
Dom seems pretty amiable these days, though I might be the only one noticing it. My great uncle turned over a new leaf after he physically abused a stripper, which we learned later in court.

floyd seems to me like a good candidate for a lynch, since he is around on the site but isn't posting. I find t hard to believe he has been silenced twice in a row, or even at all. I mean, come on.

What the heck is this scotty?

Oh, ok Scotty thanks. I read things literally so I didn't catch that it was illustrating your point.

Typhoony, who are you looking at for a vote today?

Typhoony wrote:I liked THs post on Mac, so I will probably vote there.

I have some time right now though, so let's talk. Who are you looking at for a vote juliets?

I was looking at you for one but even if you are the Penguin I would vote someone I think is mafia first. I want to hear BR's response to TH's case on her. I read her iso and couldn't see anything that would refute his case but I want to hear her response. Unfortunately she has not been on to respond to it. And then there is Mac. I explained this morning that I'm having a hard time accepting him as bad even though TH's evidence was good. Macs responses were good and I have read him as civ all game. Still though two of TH's points really struck a nerve with me, the comment Mac made about DH's comment to lynch Nero and his comment that he cheerleaded the lynch when in my opinion he didn't. So, I have not decided yet where to vote but it will probably be one of these three. Sorry this is all mushed together with no white space. I did explain all this this morning but you probably haven't gotten back that far yet.

Typhoony wrote:Do you honestly think I'd be this lame of a Penguin juliets?

Well as i said this morning, bea's assertion that you are an experienced player and not do something like what's been done to MP does give me pause. DH however thinks maybe MP was cursed to vote for sig and made up this "vote for sig" thingy he puts on all his posts to make it obvious his sig vote is a curse. Back to you, I do think you'd be smart enough to put a caveat on a vote force that the person could not let on in any way that they have been forced. So I guess the longer i think about it the less sure I am that you could be the Penguin. I also noticed you voted second for Wilgy and it seems like if you are the Penguin you would have wanted to make sure there was more than just one other voter on the person you were going to curse - thats assuming you were going to do this obvious of a curse on Wilgy. Anyway, I keep talking myself out of a vote for you.

Enrique, who are you looking at for a vote?

Also, just something I was wondering is how do we know that it's not Matt who was cursed by the Penguin?

sig wrote:Typhoony basically just no u voted Mac, I don't like that.

His defense for not being Penguin is that he wouldn't be that nooby, I disagree I think it is more likely he is the Penguin then not.

He has to be alive at the end of game to win, we are then letting one cop loose, plus Typhoony's job would be to get us to end game ASAP, that means he isn't siding with the civs and it would probably be easier to win with the mafia. Leaving him alive is dangerous as Mac said the longer he is here the more powerful and dangerous he becomes. I think he would be a good lynch candidate today simply since the Penguin isn't pro civ, and could in fact do more damage to the civs then the mafia.

Is there anything on Mac besides his Nero interactions?

linki: Juliets, the Penguin doesn't seem like the type to curse someone, unless you mean that is what he is blackmailing him into doing?

Yes sig thats exactly what I meant. The Penguin could be blackmailing Matt to speak in Shakespearean quotes.

TH I'm surprised you are thinking to voat BR instead of Mac since BR has not yet responded to the accusations. Is there a reason you are not looking at Mac after the case you made? What I mean by that is are you less sure of some of the conclusions you drew in the case? Bottom line, I'm wondering why BR not Mac.

EBWOP: vote not voat

Turnip Head wrote:
juliets wrote:TH I'm surprised you are thinking to voat BR instead of Mac since BR has not yet responded to the accusations. Is there a reason you are not looking at Mac after the case you made? What I mean by that is are you less sure of some of the conclusions you drew in the case? Bottom line, I'm wondering why BR not Mac.
Yes, Mac's responses made me less sure of my case on him. I think the connections are there but it could also be a series of coincidences and he's civ. I still don't like that he's claiming to cheerlead that lynch lol but whatever. I've still got my eye on him but I think my BR case is more straightforward.

OK, that fits into my belief that he made good responses to the charges. The BR case is straightforward I just am having trouble looking at a vote there because she hasn't responded.

In my re-read of BR I didn't find anything else to bring to the table but it did cement my thoughts that TH's case was a good one. I'll be interested to see what you find S~V~S. I've been rolling around with this lack of response hang up I have and I guess it can be said that she's had plenty of time to respond she just hasn't. I think I'm going to have to give Mac the BOTD today because TH's points meshed with my thought that Mac had done a good job at responding to the case against him. So, it's looking like a BR vote for me today. I'll wait a bit just in case something happens.

linki

BR, one of the things i don't understand is why, if you had plenty of time to read then but not now, did you skip big chunks when you had plenty of time but didn't want to employ that same procedure when you had no time. (holy crow was that sentence long enough? I hope you understand what I'm saying)

lol Matt which of them is the monster?

I'm going to go ahead and vote BR too (ahead of whatever cheerleading is going on) for reasons already discussed in the thread.

Bullzeye wrote:Who else remembers the first Game of Champions where INH said he'd developed a system where he could cross-reference all of our past posts against ones we'd make in that game to accurately determine whether or not we were bad?

I DO!! It was hysterical.

Given her win condition required Gordon and Batman to be dead I can live with this result. BR, you know i luv you.

Bunches of linki

I forgot to raise my glass to TH

MacDougall wrote:
sprityo wrote:If someone could tell me what ISO means so i can go look for whatever Mac is trying to say, that'd be great
Just means all my posts.

Click on "In Topic" under his avatar and it will bring up all his posts.

MacDougall wrote:I got no message straight away so me and MP have that not in common.

I lost you Mac. What are you saying here?

MacDougall wrote:
juliets wrote:
MacDougall wrote:I got no message straight away so me and MP have that not in common.
I lost you Mac. What are you saying here?
Typhoony voted for me. Typhoony voted for MP and MP said he got a message at the beginning of the night. I didn't. It's part of the Typhoony = Penguin theory.

Oh ok, I follow now.

Wonder why MP didn't vote to go to the hospital? MP, did you find the antidote?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Guys don't waste a lynch on me. My role is...
Spoiler: show
Superman: A secret role. You cannot be lynched. You cannot be night-killed except if targeted by someone holding kryptonite which isn't a thing in this game. You cannot be targeted. Your vote counts as 5 votes. You can kill a player every night and your kill cannot be prevented. You start the game knowing everybody's alignment except Dom's. You are invulnerable to Matt's tinfoil cases. If you survive to the end Metalmarsh and DharmaHelper win the game because they are Metalmarsh and DharmaHelper. Everybody starts the game with a red peek on you because the Daily Planet tries to make you out to be evil.
hOI!!!!!! i'm mACDOUGALL!!

I don't understand your posts MM. Can you explain? Your last one said ho!!!!! I'm temmie (I left the capitalization out). I don't know who temmie is. It's nighttime so I don't believe you have been targeted unless I missed something and others were exhibiting their symptoms at night. Also, haven't seen much of you lately. What are your thoughts about the people being discussed?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
juliets wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Guys don't waste a lynch on me. My role is...
Spoiler: show
Superman: A secret role. You cannot be lynched. You cannot be night-killed except if targeted by someone holding kryptonite which isn't a thing in this game. You cannot be targeted. Your vote counts as 5 votes. You can kill a player every night and your kill cannot be prevented. You start the game knowing everybody's alignment except Dom's. You are invulnerable to Matt's tinfoil cases. If you survive to the end Metalmarsh and DharmaHelper win the game because they are Metalmarsh and DharmaHelper. Everybody starts the game with a red peek on you because the Daily Planet tries to make you out to be evil.
hOI!!!!!! i'm mACDOUGALL!!
I don't understand your posts MM. Can you explain? Your last one said ho!!!!! I'm temmie (I left the capitalization out). I don't know who temmie is. It's nighttime so I don't believe you have been targeted unless I missed something and others were exhibiting their symptoms at night. Also, haven't seen much of you lately. What are your thoughts about the people being discussed?
It is from a video game called Undertale. MacDougall said in his role that He is Metalmarsh, so I was just introducing myself as MacDougall.

Oh ok, went right over my head (not unusual). Care to give any thoughts?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Sure! I think that MacDougall is civ. I think that MP is not a civilian. I haven't decided on DH yet, because he always seems meta-less to me.

Thanks MM. I am also reading Mac as civ but with some reservations. I agree with your comment that DH seems "metal less" though i am also reading him as civ. MP falls into my leaning not civ category. I'm just not sure because his posting I think has been affected by his poisoning. Since he should no longer have that sig thing maybe I'll get a better read.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
juliets wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Sure! I think that MacDougall is civ. I think that MP is not a civilian. I haven't decided on DH yet, because he always seems meta-less to me.
Thanks MM. I am also reading Mac as civ but with some reservations. I agree with your comment that DH seems "metal less" though i am also reading him as civ. MP falls into my leaning not civ category. I'm just not sure because his posting I think has been affected by his poisoning. Since he should no longer have that sig thing maybe I'll get a better read.
What do you mean that MPwas affected by poisoning? Does poison do something different in this game than I'm used to seeing?

I mean that he said it made him not care about living anymore. Then he went on to post a lot though so I don't know what to believe.

Turnip Head wrote:Posting a lot does not necessarily conflict with not caring about living or accepting his fate. I've interpreted MPs posts to mean he gives zero fucks and that can be a liberating feeling. I feel like that case is being framed improperly.

Ah ok TH. Hadn't thought about it that way.

S~V~S wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
juliets wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Sure! I think that MacDougall is civ. I think that MP is not a civilian. I haven't decided on DH yet, because he always seems meta-less to me.
Thanks MM. I am also reading Mac as civ but with some reservations. I agree with your comment that DH seems "metal less" though i am also reading him as civ. MP falls into my leaning not civ category. I'm just not sure because his posting I think has been affected by his poisoning. Since he should no longer have that sig thing maybe I'll get a better read.
What do you mean that MPwas affected by poisoning? Does poison do something different in this game than I'm used to seeing?
He doesn't give a shit since he is poisoned and knows he is going to die. So being poisoned has affected how and what he says, is how I read it.

And that's how I meant it.

Matt wrote:SVS - I do know that Bea can read you quite well, and I believe in a recent btsc (forget which game, help me out here bea), she told me that you can read her really well, too. Soooo I suppose I will back off on her for now. But but but there is something fishy with that post I quoted "I always worry that my....................."

Mac - You're correct that it wouldn't make sense that you would be distancing on Day 0 since one of you would have to be the cop that wasn't yet recruited. Hrm.

The only scenario that I can now see bea and Mac on a team is if they are Falcone, and that would mean they were not Nero's teammates.

Btw, I had been trying to get this across, but Golden eloquently put into words what I couldn't...

Golden wrote:2) Yesterday's lynch, his turn around didn't feel entirely genuine to me. My suspicion as to why... Enrique is on team Nero. His team figures out a theory that Matt is Batman, and suddenly realises that if Matt is lynched and comes back Batman, Nero is probably going down right afterwards. So, the best option is to bus his own teammate, and get civ cred in the process. Others have already pointed out some posts by Enrique that appear deliberately designed to get cred.
Actually, my theory is that Enrique was convinced...CONVINCED...I had a targeting role (it didn't have to be Batman), so his team figured no matter how I flipped, as long as I had a targeting role, peeps would most certainly eye Nero next. And I had made a big deal about Enrique/Nero in thread, even dared Enrique to vote Nero. People keep saying "Why buss a brand new player teammate on Day 2 of a game where the Mafia only has three members?" If Enrique and team believed Nero was a goner no matter what, then why not buss him? Saves Enrique from having to defend his actions after Nero would eventually be lynched (in his eyes anyway).

Btw, I cleared this with the hosts...

Some of you said during the phase yesterday "Hey MP and Matt, do you really think you're helping the thread with your nonsense?"

Yes, I was helping the thread. If some of you (like juliets, bea, Scotty, even Mac did) had gone along with what I was trying to do, we might've gotten a clue as to a certain inmate's whereabouts. But after being accused of cluttering with nonsense, I didn't want to annoy anyone and get myself lynched, so I didn't say much for the last hours of the phase.

Matt I'm not sure what you wanted me to go along with. I didn't see any instruction from you until you said "Follow me" and voted for MP. I think I had already voted by the time you said that because I remember thinking I wished you would have said it earlier. If there is something else you wanted me to do it went right over my head. So what should I have gone along with?

Matt wrote:Actually juliets, I was saying you had been going along with it, and I wish more like you had done the same.

OH! Sorry, I misinterpreted.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
juliets wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Sure! I think that MacDougall is civ. I think that MP is not a civilian. I haven't decided on DH yet, because he always seems meta-less to me.
Thanks MM. I am also reading Mac as civ but with some reservations. I agree with your comment that DH seems "metal less" though i am also reading him as civ. MP falls into my leaning not civ category. I'm just not sure because his posting I think has been affected by his poisoning. Since he should no longer have that sig thing maybe I'll get a better read.
What do you mean that MPwas affected by poisoning? Does poison do something different in this game than I'm used to seeing?
He doesn't give a shit since he is poisoned and knows he is going to die. So being poisoned has affected how and what he says, is how I read it.
It looked more like a curse of sorts to me. MP made sure to state in every single post that he was suspicious of sig. Even when he forget to include it, he'd immediately follow up with the thought in the next post.

I wasn't talking about the sig part. I was talking about his other stuff. Like posting he should be lynched.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
juliets wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
juliets wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Sure! I think that MacDougall is civ. I think that MP is not a civilian. I haven't decided on DH yet, because he always seems meta-less to me.
Thanks MM. I am also reading Mac as civ but with some reservations. I agree with your comment that DH seems "metal less" though i am also reading him as civ. MP falls into my leaning not civ category. I'm just not sure because his posting I think has been affected by his poisoning. Since he should no longer have that sig thing maybe I'll get a better read.
What do you mean that MPwas affected by poisoning? Does poison do something different in this game than I'm used to seeing?
He doesn't give a shit since he is poisoned and knows he is going to die. So being poisoned has affected how and what he says, is how I read it.
It looked more like a curse of sorts to me. MP made sure to state in every single post that he was suspicious of sig. Even when he forget to include it, he'd immediately follow up with the thought in the next post.
I wasn't talking about the sig part. I was talking about his other stuff. Like posting he should be lynched.
This isn't the first time MP has done this. He did it in Flash, and I'm pretty sure that wasn't the only time either. Recruitment maybe?

Oh really - thats interesting to know. Was he bad in Flash (I didn't play)? I don't remember if he did in Recruitment - I tend to forget the details of games once they are past.

Typhoony wrote:Has Golden shown everyone Macs rolehint already or has it been agreed that was complete nonsense?

Golden hasn't told us yet whether he's come up with anything.

S~V~S wrote:
Glorfindel wrote:Am I correct in assuming that we only have another four and three-quarter hours until dawn?
From what Epi said, I am thinking 3.5 hours from now. They wanted to bring it back to about 9 PM US Eastern time. It is currently 5:30 US Eastern time.

I just went back and looked. He said have your PMs in by 8:00 EST so I don't know what that means for the post - 8:30 maybe or is he posting an hour after PMs are due?

sig, RIPIYWG - enjoyed playing with you.

I have the same response to the poison issue i.e., is he really poisoned? I just don't understand why not go to the hospital and I don't know why MP is not telling us why he didn't choose to go.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Go ahead, DH, vote for me.

I don't have the time or energy to defend myself. It's boring anyway.

I just voted for myself. Have fun wasting a lynch.

I just don't understand what you're doing MP, if you're a civ at least don't vote for yourself jeez. Which makes me think you're not.

So TH you're saying he's more likely to vote himself as a civ, did I understand you correctly?

Thanks TH.

Dom I'm trying to get a handle on this Glorfindel suspicion (more than just you). You say that what tripped you over the edge was his comment of being incompetent. What was it about that comment that caused your reaction? He seems to be self deprecating as his nature so that's why I'm asking for you to be more explicit.

Mac, was it the dawn comments about sig that made you suspicious or something else, or more than that?

Matt wrote:Bullz, I actually think Riddler might've been Zebra.

I was under the impression sig was Bullock based on Zeebs getting hit like that, some players assumed sig to be Montoya, and the Night post hints at sig being a cop of some sort, so I seriously doubt sig was Riddler.

This brings up the question, though...

If Riddler is dead (and I very much believe him to be), and the Joker was lynched yesterday...

What's up with Turnip's "curse" ?

Why couldnt it be the Penguin?

Matt wrote:
juliets wrote:
Matt wrote:Bullz, I actually think Riddler might've been Zebra.

I was under the impression sig was Bullock based on Zeebs getting hit like that, some players assumed sig to be Montoya, and the Night post hints at sig being a cop of some sort, so I seriously doubt sig was Riddler.

This brings up the question, though...

If Riddler is dead (and I very much believe him to be), and the Joker was lynched yesterday...

What's up with Turnip's "curse" ?

Why couldnt it be the Penguin?
I considered that, but nobody has voted Turnip since Day 1.

Oh of course. I forgot the Penguin has to vote you first. Thanks Matt.

And thanks TH for that example from the other game.

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