The Syndicate

I need to find the list of who got targeted in what order and then I will answer your question.

When I think of who is the most likely person to have targeted Golden first i can't help but think about Enrique. I know the counter argument to this is Enrique sounds so genuine in his desire to get the scarecrow and he's the one who brought the scarecrow to the front of the conversation (iirc) that it's hard to believe it might be him. But who else would have targeted Golden first? And whoever the scarecrow is he/she is playing a masterful game and could easily sound genuine without being genuine. I think the people who were targeted after Golden hold a little less insight than that first pick. Having said that though, I'm going to go back and read all that led up to that night where Golden was targeted and see if there are any other hints i may have forgotten.

Bullzeye wrote:

Typhoony wrote:Good point. Are the people still scarecrowed certain their target is alive?

My target is Scarecrow. So yeah, probably.

Scarecrow targeted you to target him/her? I do not understand that at all. Not that I don't believe you, I do, I just can't figure out why they would do that.

I have to quit reading now and work on some other things. I'm still on day 0. From what I have read though it seems like Matt would have targeted zebra first if he was scarecrow and Dom maybe MP. I haven't read day 1 yet though and there may be more in there. Still no other suspect but Enrique who might have targeted Golden but I'm not giving up on that.

Typhoony wrote:Lol. That's kinda funny:p

Linki: jules what are you basing those assumptions on? Like, what makes you think person x would target person y?

I'm basing it on what I see in the thread. There was a long confrontational disagreement between enrique and golden and an intense disagreement between Matt and zebra and then a disagreement between Dom and MP. There are probably others who are still alive who have disagreements during that time and since I'm not yet at the end of the Day for Day 0 much less end of Day 1. I'm uncertain how far I'm going to be able to get today but I'll try my best. To me, this is an important question - who would pick Golden first.

Ok, I finished skimming the Day 0/Day 1 posts and think that Dom might would have targeted Wilgy (this is a guess given the last things he said before the lynch closed) and i believe SVS would have targeted DH and as she said, I think he would have targeted her. Matt it seems pretty sure would have targeted zebra. I didn't see anyone else that is alive that I thought might have targeted Golden by virtue of disagreements in the thread.

On the other hand, people may have targeted someone they had no ties to at all which means my re-reading and bringing these things out is good for nothing. It was something I had to try though and I would try to do anything else anyone can think of to get us to the right answer.

I would do it Golden if I was going to be here tomorrow. And I'm not sure what the next day will bring (nor do I know I'll still be alive tomorrow). I hate to hear that you think so many minds have been made up because I'm not in that boat at all. Hopefully I will be able to do more iso's to help me with some decisions.

Lorab, in principle I would like to see those non-players gone but if we put off scarecrow for them we let the scarecrow limit even more people that can win or cause more people to vote for people they don't really believe are bad. If we get the Scarecrow and then hold off on Falcone we allow more civs (or possibly inmates) die. I can't see how we can do it without causing one of those situations. I hate that though. Have you got an idea that would work?

Ok, it's time for me to pack up the computer. I will try to get online tomorrow evening before the lynch closes but it all depends on what i find when I get there. So, this may be my last chance to talk to you before you vote. I have tried to impress on everyone that it does not make sense for me to be the scarecrow and I am putting my mafia integrity on the line when I tell you that is not my role. If it were, you would be able to say from here on out "yeah yeah, you told us those lies before in Arkham" and Typhoony would never let me forget it in IRC. So believe me when I tell you it is not me. And believe me when I tell you it is not in your best interest to vote for me.

Yay, no death.

I have arrived! I just read through the thread to see what I missed and it looks like not much. For some reason i didn't realize the lynch was tomorrow night - i thought it was tonight - glad it's not.

I wish i had some good conspiracy theories to put out there for discussion SVS. Matt is the master of theories, maybe he'll have one. I also still don't know who to suspect for Scarecrow. All that work I did re-reading the thread and figuring out who would have targeted who was worthless because as DH reminded me the Scarecrow picks by role. It's interesting to think about what roles he would have gone after first. I don't think that would help us find the scarecrow though.

So I am flat out of ideas. If someone else thinks of something I'll be happy to participate or maybe i will, like SVS, think of something in my dreams. I will be in and out tomorrow, spending all visiting hours at the hospital so if you ask me something just don't expect a quick answer. I'll also be around some tonight.

MP we have a list of who and what night, the problem is you have to scan through the thread to find it. I can't even remember who posted the most updated one. I'll scan for it while i have a minute and bring it forward if i find it.

Here it is MP. I think DH is a "no" but I wasn't sure so I left it the way it was. Looks like your night is a question mark - maybe you could verify that for us.


Bullz - Night 8
DH
Dom - No
Enrique - Night 9
Golden - Night 1
juliets - no
LoRab - no
Mac - Night 4 (?)
Matt - Night 5
MP - Night 7 (?)
SVS - no
Typhoony - no

It just occurred to me we should probably add who the person was told they needed to die to get rid of the curse.

linki - i'll add Dom

Bullz - Night 8
DH
Dom - No
Enrique - Night 9
Golden - Night 1
juliets - no
LoRab - no
Mac - Night 4 (?)
Matt - Night 5
MP - Night 7 (?)
SVS - no
Typhoony - no
Dom - Night 10

MP re: your question about 2,3,6 etc. I think the missing ones might be dead people or even possibly the non-posters.

Oh thanks Dom - I didn't even notice it.

Golden wrote:Listening to Paul Simon's Graceland as I write.

It's juliets fault. That signature...

lol, it may have been made in 1986 but it is hypnotizing to me

Typhoony, a question about your Lorab case. You said that she now waffles on Dom since he got scarecrowed - or says he did - last night. Doesn't it make sense for her to waffle on him given the circumstances (him saying he's been scarecrowed)? I don't understand why that is a point not in her favor. What am I missing?

Sorry for the double post but it occurred to me Typh may not be around. Bullz i know you said it was a good point so maybe you can answer my question.

Typhoony wrote:

juliets wrote:Typhoony, a question about your Lorab case. You said that she now waffles on Dom since he got scarecrowed - or says he did - last night. Doesn't it make sense for her to waffle on him given the circumstances (him saying he's been scarecrowed)? I don't understand why that is a point not in her favor. What am I missing?

Scarecrow does not want to lynch the people that are scarecrowed.
Lorab suspected dom when he was not scarecrowed.
Now Dom is scarecrowed and she waffles.
To me, that makes sense from a scarecrow perspective. I feel like you're looking at it from a different one.

OH! You're right I wasn't looking at it from that perspective. Thats a pretty interesting observation and isn't in Lorab's favor.

oh jesus you guys I do not need this. Bullz you said you are 100% sure the scarecrow is not Lorab? Or was that someone else? Anything more you can talk about regarding that claim?

I'm here. Unfortunately for you Bullz I'm considering voting Lorab. This is an extremely difficult decision.

Bullzeye wrote:You shouldn't vote LoRab. I'm 100% sure she's not Scarecrow. We can lynch her tomorrow if people think she's Falcone.

Ok. You are determined on this arent you. If you're 100% sure I'll vote Dom.

Bullzeye wrote:Was that not obvious? I feel completely sure Dom is Scarecrow. If I'm wrong the embarrassment will kill me. But I really do think he's Scarecrow.

Well, when I asked before if you were 100% sure Lorab was not scarecrow I felt like you were walking back on that a little bit. But you're willing to put it forth again so I'm going to believe you. My vote will just tie it up though. By the way, the only reason I was doubting it was Dom that was really a ballsy move if he's scarecrow and he said he was scarecrowed last night.

Yes, I just did. We're all tied up.

I see Lorab is here so I think your wish wil be granted Bullz.

Bullz I'm so sorry you were wrong and couldnt win. Who was the damned scarecrow anyway? I was Renee Montoya.

I'll never trust Matt again

DharmaHelper wrote:I was so nervous I was gonna get crowed before endgame. I almost intentionally got myself lynched since I could win dead or alive.

I know, I thought about the same thing but I thought Mr. Freeze was still alive and would turn into a serial killer if I died.

I didn't use my powers every night because I didn't want someone accused or accusing silenced. I tended to go for people who weren't in the midst of things except when I silenced DH and he turned into a person accused. It's why I went to bat for him saying I thought he was silenced.

Epignosis wrote:

juliets wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:I was so nervous I was gonna get crowed before endgame. I almost intentionally got myself lynched since I could win dead or alive.

I know, I thought about the same thing but I thought Mr. Freeze was still alive and would turn into a serial killer if I died.

I have to say this:

juliets silenced two people in a row who got killed, and though she was killing people! It was awesome. That's why she didn't silence anyone for a while.

That totally freaked me out. I thought someone had cursed me to kill people with my silencing power.

DharmaHelper wrote:

juliets wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:I was so nervous I was gonna get crowed before endgame. I almost intentionally got myself lynched since I could win dead or alive.

I know, I thought about the same thing but I thought Mr. Freeze was still alive and would turn into a serial killer if I died.

I tried to send you a riddle twice and got blocked both times.

I wondered why I didn't get anything.

Oh my God. That would have been worse than having to make knock knock jokes. I don't even know what a hexagiggity thingy is!

DharmaHelper wrote:

juliets wrote:Oh my God. That would have been worse than having to make knock knock jokes. I don't even know what a hexagiggity thingy is!

The second time I sent you the riddle I sent Matt. I only sent it to you because I needed to make sure the people with my riddles stayed alive, and I was determined not to let you get lynched

Awwww thats so nice. <3

Actually, now is a good time for thanking everyone for being so supportive during my ordeal. Things are stable here which is about as good as we could have hoped. Still need some answers to some important questions though so it looks like the hospital stay will continue. The end of this game really helped me get my mind off things that weren't pleasant.

DharmaHelper wrote:All riddles are my original design by the way. I even spent 2 hours on the GIF

I'm totally impressed.

I just want to add I agree about Dom. Amazing game for a head baddie. I would have suspected others for that role before suspecting Dom.

Yes, that was cruel Epi!! I was so afraid of getting poisoned.

Dom wrote:I miss Illy

bea wrote:me too. *sigh*

What happened to illy?