The Syndicate

yikes,

@Wilgy, some hosts post small targetings like silencing, i dont think LC & BR do, though.

fixed

Synonym wrote:

S~V~S wrote:@ Synonym~ No not really. I am an observer. I watch for things that get my interest, and once something has, I can be fairly dogged about pursuing them. But I don't view myself as an antagonist, no.

@Wilgy, some hosts post small taretings like silencing, i don;t thise LC & BR do, though.

Thank you. I've been reading you this game and the majority of posts I've seen have been defensive on your behalf.

Not necessarily defending against suspicion but the majority of them have been referring to yourself, either to explain actions or to clarify why others are targeting you.

I don't know you well enough as a player to get a meta read from that, but from past experience posting styles like that are usually guilty.

I get defensive when i am needing to defend myself but that has not been the case most of this game.

Can you give me some examples of what you mean, especially since you seem to be charcterizing my whole game like this? i have really only needed to defend much since DH & Wilgy decided I killed Unfurl. I felt the need to explain my thoughts on Golden, but, for me, this has been a pretty non defensive game. In the past I have let people who know how to push my buttons push them, and I am trying to avoid that.

Am I think only person you have gotten a similar read like that on? Or just me?

You aren't including any of the posts I am replying to.

Like this one, Synonym, that you quoted in your first post:

S~V~S wrote:So after days of saying I was sincere, now I am being intentionally false?

I probably would have bought the frame theory if you had not made that one post after Epi died. I believed then, and still believe now, with all my heart, that a baddie made that post.

Linki, I will cross that bridge when I come to it. But I don't think I will ever come to it. I doubt you will be lynched, you talked your way out of it. Then tomorrow I will be NKed probably, and it will be another attempt to frame poor Golden. And if you are lynched, I dont think you will come up good.

I was replying to these two posts:

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:He is trying to imply persecution of him when, hello, its a Mafia game. Discussion of and defending against suspicions is how the game is played.

And I will say this is the thing you've said which I find most difficult to see eye to eye with you on.

When I defend against cases made against me that I do not think stack up, and I defend against them day after day (literally a week at this point?) but those who allege those things choose to ignore every word I say and stand stubbornly against me, apparently I am 'implying persecution'.

I think there has been PLENTY of discussion of and defending against suspicions against me. That is me playing mafia, right?

But I also think there has been plenty of discussion AT me, continually, post after post, the number of times you have posted just to say the same thing again and again - that you have no interest in doing anything other than voting for me without any further thought - it actually does surprise me.

SVS, I want to know what your reaction will be in this game, in the event you get me lynched. I am not going to flip bad. When I do not flip bad, what will your reaction be?

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Now Golden's saying any argument that arrives at a conclusion that he could be bad is illogical and fallacious. [/u][/b]

I have never said or implied that. In fact, I have acknowledged that some of them are not.

I think yours is fallacious, because I have provided you with a whole lot to go on here but you have closed your mind to even listening to it.
I think reys is... whats the word when you take advantage of a situation that arises? I can't think of it right now. My brain says fortuitous, but thats wrong.
I think DH's is playing intentionally aloof, and that its insincere. Its hard to call it illogical or fallacious because it isn't based on a case against me, he just seems to be 'scared of me'.
I think epi's was deliberately obtuse.

BUT: I think boomslang, Dom, Lorab, and timmer have all expressed suspicion of me that I think is entirely genuine (despite the fact I think boomslang might be bad). I think BWT's suspicion on me was genuine. I don't think any of these people have demonstrated that their view of me is illogical or fallacious. I'm not a fan of Lorab saying that I'm a distraction and anti-civ despite being neutral, but I understand it.

Btw, as you might have noticed from being the super-expert on my civilian game - often the place where my spidey sense is the MOST well attuned is in figuring out whether those who go after me are being genuine or not.

IIRC, all of those posts you pulled I was replying to someone else who was questioning me. That's why I was talking about myself.

You appeared to have read somewhat out of context. Context ftw

Linki @ Synonym, again, out of context. If you go read them in context, not just in iso, they are part of a conversation. My part of the conversation. If you take Goldens posts from the same conversation, he is mostly talking about himself, too.

Why?

I meant why do you think DH is worth listening to. (And DH, this is not a dig; quite the opposite, actually). And you played Gotham; DH & I went hard at each other and both were civs. If I turn up not bad, how will that help you figure out DH?

Isn't that throwing the baby out with the bathwater?

Ebwop, I mean, are you so concerned about DHs status that you would lynch someone just to *maybe* find out something about him?

timmer wrote:Oh, no no, you misunderstand me, I think. I have no idea if DH is to be trusted about you at ALL. But he's obviously being insistent and blundered about it. I see it two ways.

1. A civ DH would not do this to you unless he knew you were bad.
2. A baddie DH would do this to you for just about any reason he felt like.

I can't see one option being more likely, but at least your status would suggest likelihood in regards to him.

But he has done it to me as a civ. That was why I mentioned Gotham. I just wanted to make sure you were not implying that you thought he had info. Becasue he can't, but even if it were possible, DH would not do the whole "wink wink nudge nudge" info thing. This is a gut read, which i respect, since this is how I play as well. Although I think he maybe needs some maalox, his gut is off .

And you were very awesome, but you still misread me as a civ in Gotham. I was mainly using that to keep Timmer from thinking you were bad if I turn up not bad, though.

I still think maybe you need some Pepto in this game.

What?

I thought all the anti-Wilgy came up after he spent days defending Bubbles. Wow.

Well, I am, but OK lol.

He also played Gotham.

You should vote for DH becasue he called someone a *dingus*

For gut inflammations of every kind

I am SO expecting shenanigans after the drama/nobility of that last Wilgy post. And i swear on a stack of esoteric texts that I bring no shenanigans myself

DharmaHelper wrote:I'll take, oddly flimsy reasons to suspect someone Day 6 for 200 Alex.

your favorite category

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:JJJ awakens, one cheek pressed against the carpet, a pool of drool seeping into the fabric. He struggles to sit up and attempts to survey his surroundings. Everything is still blurry, and he has a pounding headache. He notes a small shard of glass nearby and another next to it -- he follows the trail to a broken bottle with what must be his own blood encrusted on the jagged edge.

WTF?

S~V~S wrote:I am SO expecting shenanigans after the drama/nobility of that last Wilgy post. And i swear on a stack of esoteric texts that I bring no shenanigans myself

What about DrWilgy's post made you suspect shenanigans would be afoot?

As I was reading it, I could hear someone whistling the Lassie theme music or perhaps a faint string quartet and distant thunder. This was the swan song of a Wilgy who did not actually expect to be dead IMO. I am shocked beyond shit though that whoever switched it switched it to DH.

I would NOT expect that of Wilgy. I was like 99.9% sure that if Wilgy brought the shenanigans, he would have brought them to me. So the fact that it was DH leads me to think while Wilgy may have had manipulations, I doubt he switched the lynch.

I voted for 3, I forgot to vote this morning.

Roxy wrote:

Scotty wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:I think I might vote SVS.

Why?

If ya read DH's posts you would def know why

lol

Predictable nub baddies are predictable, I see.

I am at a Labor Solidarity fest (lots of Billy Brag, multi Guthries and various versions of the Internationale). I will be home for the rest of the weekend later tonight.

Canucklehead wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:I meant it when I said I'm done playing. I'm not going to do anything apart from cast my vote. Whenever I get around to doing even that.

I'm confused by this. Why are you "done playing"?

I think I hurt his feelings.

I believe we have a difference of opinion about how a past game was played. When he started accusing me of being bad, and using my reaction & calling it combative, I referenced Gotham, a game on RM. At that point he started saying he hated Mafia & was quitting, and over the next few days made some more remarks like, "Make my next to the last game a good one" etc. But I am fairly sure I am the meanie here.

He seems to think my recollection of that game and his are different. Could be. But in any case, he & Rey seemed to think my reaction to accusation (which was a total freak out meltdown) meant I was bad, and in fact I was a civ. My point was not to denigrate DH, but to say that his read of me is in error, and has been so historically in another game, Gotham.

I am sorry if I have singlehandedly driven him from Mafia by recalling what happened in a game differently than he does (and as far as I am concerned, i am misrepresenting nothing, I recall what I recall). But when he starts flinging that old "sher's defensive/comabtive" etc. when she's bad, it's bullshit and when I see bullshit I call it bullshit.

I do respect his gut, and he has been 100% correct on me in past games. But he is not in this one.

[ok]OK, but I felt that since you still seem upset about it, that I should stop pretending it is not happening. But consider it dropped [/ot]

No but he often doesn't.

He posts alot of OT, but not always when he votes. If you are thinking he might be silenced, it is possible. Did he post at all since the night post?

No he has not.

And why Lorab now?

Now nutella.

Whatever.

I got all of my BBQing out of the day yesterday with the Socialists. I am sunburnt and a bit hungover, so i am skipping todays BBQs and staying home.

I plan to reread Turnip Head since he has so far skipped below my radar and I want to see whats the hub, bub. Plus Syn's weird plucked out of context case on me got my eye, so I am going to reread Russti/Syn.

Wilgys silencing seems a tad TOO convenient for him today, BUT it could be real, perhaps the silencer is civ/neut and feels he is good, and is protecting him in this way, I have done that as a civ silencer. Plus, as i said, I doubt that he would have switched a lynch to DH, regardless of alignment, so i think that was more likely to have been done TO him than BY him, perhaps to set him (or me or someone else, lol) up. So I won't be voting for Wilgy unless I have no choice.

While I will keep watching Bullz~ that one remark of his that someone else mentioned, about the gossips post being a waste or something to that effect, did sound pretty pissy, which i associate more with bad Bullz, BUT I often feel that way about gossip so He started participating, not just watching, so i will backburner him.

Same for Sorsha, not sure if I think that bad Sorsha would have No U'ed me, plus my thoughts on her were totally based on the Golden thing and her posts on that. So also there.

I reread TH & Russ, not Syn yet.

Russ made 9 posts, most of them multiquote impressive looking affairs that did not really say much of anything, something I tend to associate with baddies. Like he was just making posts in order to make posts. Since he quoted an entire long ass post of Bullz just to say, "Thanks, I agree", I checked Bullz posts for a reply to him and did not find one. @Bullz, tell me, what was your opinion of Russti, and have you formed an opinion of Synonym? If you don't have one in either case, I can't blame you, I did not either until now. But someone who used one of my posts as a starting point for a pretty pointless post always gets noticed by me; I was curious if it was the same for you.

TH, on the other hand, is playing the blendy non commital game i would expect from a neutral TH who lacks Captain Obvious in his chatroom egging him on I reread him in isolation though, so need to read some in context to get a better feel for him. But he has had controversial opinions, and has been fairly blunt and to the point, like during the discussion of why someone who had a lynch switch would use it. I saw no really manipulative posts, or posts where baddie TH pulls out his "aw shucks, farmboy" thing that he can do when he's bad. I have not seen civ TH, either, but he isn't claiming to be a civ as far as I saw.

Having read him, I need to reread the case on him.

What I have found interesting is that as soon as Wilgy goes over, someone comes in and votes TH and ties it up. From the 13th vote on, which first tied them up, from Scotty.

Oh nvm, 14 & 15 came in a row for Wilgy, then 16 & 17 for TH. Still, though. I don't think there would be that many people on any one BTS team, so just coincidental.

Canucklehead wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I got all of my BBQing out of the day yesterday with the Socialists. I am sunburnt and a bit hungover,

I love you, SVS

What better way to celebrate Labor Day? Besides, the Anarchists were busy.

Thanks, Bullz. I guess, that always strikes me as a way to impress the skimmers, multiquotes of big posts while actually saying nothing yourself. And yeah, lol. I am about to reread Syns posts on me.

Lorab, while i don't necessarily agree with your stance on Rico as he has seems pretty transparent to me (for him)~ but, then, i know him better; I wanted to know why YOU voted for TH, becasue I tend to understand you, and vice versa. Becasue I am not sure I am getting it.

Also Hi Keeper

*waves*

thellama73 wrote:SVS, where do you reckon you'll vote today? I find your gameplay oddly soothing and confidence-boosting.

LOL, that does not sound very good. And oddly, I can say the same about you to some extent, but probably in a different way.

I have decided to backburner my previous supicions for reasons I said earlier. I am leaning towards Syn. Having reread Russti, I am not inspired with confidence that he was even neutral, much less civ. Synonym came in acting like BTS. While there IS civ bts, his hasty incomplete case felt faux to me.

You?

Linki @ Rico, I would either rezz someone that was a fun player if I were unrecruited, or not use my rezz at all. I would not rezz someone playing a strong game as it could bite me in the ass. While I could see civ reasons for denying being recruited, I would automatically assume the rezzed person had been recruited. Not necessarily by baddies, but not neutral.

EBWOP, re syn, it felt like a justification for a vote.

I have played a few games with rezz recruits, and they were not announced.

And that had no bearing on you, Rico, I worded it badly and meant no insult. I think it would be fairly obvious I meant Typh; I would have rezzed him were I a neutral with a rezz. But I don't think most people play for the same reasons I do. Fun > winning.

Well, more than 50% of recruited by this time would be civ, i would think. So

I had pretty good feels from Rico before he died, and I agree that he seems about the same.

Ricochet wrote:Well, I'm noticing that appje, LoRab and SVS share similar ideas on the connotations of a rezz (stuff like automatic recruitment, unannounced recruitment or "secret team") and the motivations of an recruited or unrecuited rezzer (the latter two are even synchronous in saying they'd either abstain from rezzing or rezz Typh the fun chap, heh). I guess it comes with past experience. I declare myself at a loss with this and with no prior experience to think about such connotations. I simply declared what happened, what my status is once returned and how little I can project of the Shaman's intentions. Make of it what you will.

We all come from the same place and while I missed the first World Apart game, I think that was 2007 or 2008, I did not start playing util 2009, otherwise I am fairly sure I have played all the games of these hosts. I think Lorab HAS played all of them, not sure about aapje.

I did not play the LOST game with the secret animal team, but it was legendary. I had a secret team in American Gods. It happens.

Linki, it depends on the host.

Yeah, i think I will vote for Synonym. I don't love the No U aspect of this, but he posted a flawed case, then did not stick around to discuss it with me. Plus Russti pretty clearly was playing a blendy game and was doing so from the opening bell. I feel more strongly abou this than about TH and convenient or not, I don't like voting for the silenced.

*Votes Synonym*

thellama73 wrote:Five votes piled onto Synonym within a half an hour? That's a little

Well, i don't feel comfortable about voting Wilgy or TH tbh. I do feel good about Rico & (ironically) DH. I have no reason not to trust the Keeper. Not sure why Wilgy piled on, or Devin, though.

What are your thoughts on Synonym?

Linki @BR whatever works for you

thellama73 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Five votes piled onto Synonym within a half an hour? That's a little

Well, i don't feel comfortable about voting Wilgy or TH tbh. I do feel good about Rico & (ironically) DH. I have no reason not to trust the Keeper. Not sure why Wilgy piled on, or Devin, though.

What are your thoughts on Synonym?

Linki @BR whatever works for you

I don't really think anything about him, as he has barely posted. He seems like a non-entity to me, and while I am fine with killing off low-posters in general, I am a little more concerned about finding the really dangerous bad guys at this point. Their powers scare me.

He does not interest me via being a low poster; he interests me as Russti was playing a pretty baddie game from the opening bell. And by his vote post being a justification for a vote. A civvie would actually care enought to pay attention, whereas a baddies motto is "Whatever so long as it isn't us".

Stop thinking in only four dimensions.