The Syndicate

I sat on the wilgy vote for a long time but I really don't feel up for it. That's not to say he's a town read, but I'd need to be convinced that he's worth voting for. He can be read eventually.

Creature's a player that people always suspect and it's hard to reach a conclusion on him.

well it looks like we just lynched creature.

I have never in my life seen an end of day like this. I'll laugh hard if Creature is scum.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:15 pm you know G-Man probably had a customised lynch post ready and we just ruined his day

that's like being force fed a big bowl of sauerkraut every single morning.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:18 pm I love sauerkraut.

how very unthematic

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:29 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:07 pm The four of us that are here can decide to lynch absolutely anyone right now.

I don't have any strong preferences.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:09 pm At the risk of falling into the same trap that everyone falls into every game... how about sig?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:10 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

because we'll never actually know how to read him anyway.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:11 pm I sat on the wilgy vote for a long time but I really don't feel up for it. That's not to say he's a town read, but I'd need to be convinced that he's worth voting for. He can be read eventually.

Creature's a player that people always suspect and it's hard to reach a conclusion on him.

Who can read this shit and think wow Sloonie must be a civ. He totally didn't just like through out five names of people who get mislynched alot in an attempt to divert away from LC and himself.


I don't even care what Creature flips at this point, probably civ though, this was just not smart game play. Worst case Sloonie is a civ who has bad judgement buuuuut he's probably mafia.

I was never getting lynched today.

And all four people who were here for the lynch agreed that LC was uninspiring.
Where were you?

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:30 pm I'm not happy with you people, not happy.

You could have participated.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:33 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:31 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:29 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:07 pm The four of us that are here can decide to lynch absolutely anyone right now.

I don't have any strong preferences.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:09 pm At the risk of falling into the same trap that everyone falls into every game... how about sig?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:10 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

because we'll never actually know how to read him anyway.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:11 pm I sat on the wilgy vote for a long time but I really don't feel up for it. That's not to say he's a town read, but I'd need to be convinced that he's worth voting for. He can be read eventually.

Creature's a player that people always suspect and it's hard to reach a conclusion on him.

Who can read this shit and think wow Sloonie must be a civ. He totally didn't just like through out five names of people who get mislynched alot in an attempt to divert away from LC and himself.


I don't even care what Creature flips at this point, probably civ though, this was just not smart game play. Worst case Sloonie is a civ who has bad judgement buuuuut he's probably mafia.

I was never getting lynched today.

And all four people who were here for the lynch agreed that LC was uninspiring.
Where were you?

Doesn't matter you were the main pushing factor and literally was just calling out names until one stuck.

i was not.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:35 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:34 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:30 pm I'm not happy with you people, not happy.

This is some shade.

If whoever is it flips town, this may be some pre-emptive attempt to take town cred by shaming others.

I disagree. It just looks genuine to me. Sig is probably town.

This is where I lean as well.

but i also feel like he's not making an actual effort to read me and just wants me to be bad.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:36 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:34 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:30 pm I'm not happy with you people, not happy.

Being unhappy with the only people who were around trying to make something happen is just not a good look.

No you are bad. Don't be in sync with me!

timmer's town

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:43 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:41 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:38 pm Sloonie and LC are mafia i'm like 20% sure of it.

Not I'm, not. WTF makes you 1/5 of sure of it? I've barely been here.

Sloonie did shenanigans, which I'm currently interpreting as an attempt to save you. Now normally I'd ire on the side of caution here and say mafia wouldn't be so obvious, but this feels pretty good.

I'll summarize my thoughts after the lynch post, just in case i'm wrong.

this read is very very far off base.

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:43 pm If creature flips town, who do you think was being saved, Sig?

I saved Long Con by forcing you and Quin to move your votes off of him after you'd half-heartedly put them there a minute earlier.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:45 pm Well, thanks for the shenanigans either way, Sloon.

There truly weren't any.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:49 pm Like, I've got this whole "Sloonei tried to get people off the temmie LC wagon and succeeded only to have votes put on temmie Creature's wagon so he started firing off other names in desperation" kind of thing in my head but I'm gonna try not to tunnel. Just wanted to put the theory out there while we see if it's even got legs.

but... i started the creature avalanche.

also not that this matters at all, but i was about to switch to LC just to ensure we didn't end in a tie before you all started saying LC was a lame lynch.

I still think that all 4 of us who were here are town. I think it's baloney that I would be singled out as some sort of ringleader.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:52 pmit was boomslang

he also coined player salad, i think. Boomslang is one prolific ass dude.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:52 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:51 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:49 pm Like, I've got this whole "Sloonei tried to get people off the temmie LC wagon and succeeded only to have votes put on temmie Creature's wagon so he started firing off other names in desperation" kind of thing in my head but I'm gonna try not to tunnel. Just wanted to put the theory out there while we see if it's even got legs.

but... i started the creature avalanche.

also not that this matters at all, but i was about to switch to LC just to ensure we didn't end in a tie before you all started saying LC was a lame lynch.

I still think that all 4 of us who were here are town. I think it's baloney that I would be singled out as some sort of ringleader.

I don't even remember everything so yeah, I'm kinda muddled. And I was just as loud as you were about changing, I think. You're only getting the short straw because sig suspects you.

our discord music robot is broken, can you come fix it for us?

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:00 pm i swear to god im going to set you on fire

wait so all these fires are your fault?

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:04 pm ScumTram™

Because even the mafia needs reliable public transport!

I hear those things are awfully loud.

lmao this was the best eod i've ever participated in.

quin, timmer, dizzy are lock town.

town irl

unfortunately creature did not leave us with much content to work with.

other people might have said things about him that could be revealing though

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:06 pm lmao this was the best eod i've ever participated in.

quin, timmer, dizzy are lock town.

Before I take my toys,

I'd not lock clear anyone but timmer who put it over last second. Otherwise it was a tie correct? Which would've resulting in a no lynch so in theory mafia could have bussed to the point of tying.

The four of us basically moved as a unit to creature.

I can only speak for myself, but [mention]Quin[/mention] [mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] and [mention]timmer[/mention] can all chime in as well:

The end of day felt like four civilians who didn't have any strong reads but who were all trying to come up with a lynch that wasn't dissatisfying. It was a collective lynch and not a singular effort by any individual to push for or against one lynch in particular. It was a collective series of shrugs until we shrugged the least at the thought of lynching Creature.

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:21 pm I'll get the lynch poll posted shortly. But first- dessert!

I hope you brought enough for everyone.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:25 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:47 pm @Dom what question? I must have missed it.

it was the prodding of lc with little meaning to it...

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:06 pmNice

69

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:06 pm lmao this was the best eod i've ever participated in.

quin, timmer, dizzy are lock town.

can u explainwhy the pace was fast and hard to follow

The four of us (me, timmer, dizzy, quin) were the only ones here. No one had more than 3 votes (LC). So the four of us realized that we could decide the lynch ourselves. We were all town reading each other, but none of us had a single firm suspect between us. So we just bounced around from name to name until we found one that we didn't hate at literally the last moment. And it turned out we lucked into a scum lynch.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:29 pmThe four of us (me, timmer, dizzy, quin) were the only ones here. No one had more than 3 votes (LC). So the four of us realized that we could decide the lynch ourselves. We were all town reading each other, but none of us had a single firm suspect between us. So we just bounced around from name to name until we found one that we didn't hate at literally the last moment. And it turned out we lucked into a scum lynch.

And you all essentially sheeped me. Love me.

I suppose Creature did enter the conversation through you.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:33 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:51 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:49 pm Like, I've got this whole "Sloonei tried to get people off the temmie LC wagon and succeeded only to have votes put on temmie Creature's wagon so he started firing off other names in desperation" kind of thing in my head but I'm gonna try not to tunnel. Just wanted to put the theory out there while we see if it's even got legs.

but... i started the creature avalanche.

Show me where? I'm gonna try not to hound you too much since I'm being kind of unreasonable and I don't think other people see what I'm seeing. I need to see more from LC tomorrow though.

First Creature vote (me)
Second Creature vote (you)
Third (Dizzy)
Fourth (timmer)

I agree that this isn't super important. These votes all came within the final 100 seconds or so.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:38 pm If Sloonei's town, he was probably just the first to feel like the poll was kinda shitty.

I mean, that was the reason for everything I did today.

You can’t get it if you weren’t there, man.

We soul bonded.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:28 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:25 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:25 am Dizzy is using trying to spend up all of the “I am confirmed town” cred as quickly as possible

You can't spend it up. U mad?

If I could conceive of a likely world where you were scum and day 1 went down as it did (and I think you’re the most likely scum just on positioning of the bunch but that’s not particularly strong) I would be absolutely convinced we’re in that world.

What do you mean when you say that dyslexicon’s “positioning” is bad?

We had an interesting thing occur last night: there was roughly an hour between the vote ending and the host post. While people did not initially know who was lynched, they eventually learned that it was Creature. This means that there was roughly a half hour in which we had lynched a Mafia member, but he had not flipped. With that in mind, we can possibly learn something about some of the players who posted in that time.
I'm ignoring those saints who made the lynch happen for now.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:20 pm Neat. I left for 1 hour and everyone starts playing musical votes.

At the very least a chaotic eod more often than not means a baddie is in at least someone's crosshairs.

It is unclear whether or not wilgy knows that Creature was lynched at this time. This post does not really comment on anything specific but is just a general reflection on game trends. It exists.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:21 pm You guys could at least tell me if I ended up with the most votes.

Long Con appears to have been genuinely unsure of who was lynched. This does not tell me much about his alignment or his relationship to Creature. I might lean ever so slightly in his favor because a scum player might have just rolled their eyes and left if they thought they had just been lynched on Day 1. LC stuck around and continued to post.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:24 pm Hope we lynched sloonie.

Sig was dead wrong about every single thing he said, but his indignation about the Creature lynch is exactly the type of thing that I am looking for in this exercise. sig's overflowing frustration with the way that lynch ended suggests that he genuinely expected Creature to flip town. I would expect that Creature's partners would have been less likely to make a big scene in this interim period, unless their plan was to react with hostility so as to win some town cred. But my general rule is that if the best we can come up with to suspect a player is "maybe WIFOM", then it's not a sound case.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:29 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:57 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:10 pm Neat, Sloonei noticed the same thing I did about Timmer.

*throws spaghetti* Scum following town, saying "neat"? Not neat.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

*eats spaghetti* I had already brought up both Timmer and Dom before Sloonei's comment. Very neat.

Wilgy again comments on things in the thread without seeming to care about who got lynched. He's addressing earlier things. I don't hate that he's continuing to play the game, but this sort of disregard for the lynch result is one of the things I thought might be telling when I conceived of this exercise. Creature's teammates already know the result of the lynch and are looking to move on from it. They're probably disappointed and have to scramble a bit, but they don't need to wait to see the result. So they'd be less likely to engage with chatter about the results of the day phase, and more likely to talk about... anything else. Though to be fair, wilgy's responding to something Dizzy said.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:34 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:30 pm I'm not happy with you people, not happy.

This is some shade.

If whoever is it flips town, this may be some pre-emptive attempt to take town cred by shaming others.

By this point Creature's name was circulating as the lynchee. I don't think it's impossible that wilgy would have missed it, but I'm also not gonna say he couldn't have feigned ignorance here.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:36 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:34 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:30 pm I'm not happy with you people, not happy.

Being unhappy with the only people who were around trying to make something happen is just not a good look.

No you are bad. Don't be in sync with me!

This might be a bit more telling. A Creature teammate who knows that Creature is about to flip scum might be less inclined to continue to go after the dude who just secured Creature's lynch, even if the flip hasn't happened yet. While the rest of us are stuck in limbo, the mafia team knows what's about to happen and have internally moved on. Wilgy is still pushing a Day 1 suspect that would have been made mostly irrelevant by the lynch result.

[/url]Dom makes a big post[/url] that is heavily anti-Dizzy. I want to highlight one piece in particular:

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:50 pm I also have no reason to single out creature or dom other than that they're the names Dizzy mentioned.

Why are we singling them out?

Because Dizzy thought we were easy lynches.
She may have been right about creature.

This is the first time Dom acknowledges Creature at all, either in this post or in the game in general. Prior to this, Dom had not taken notice of the fact that Creature was being lynched. Now Dizzy "might be right" about him, which would imply that Dizzy is town and that Dom has reason to believe Creature is/was not. I am usually dismissive of these sort of "slips" because they're almost always nonsense. Maybe this one is too. But I'm interested in it for the dramatic shift Dom presents here. He's all anti-Dizzy all the time until this brief moment where he acknowledges that we may have just successfully lynched a bad polka on Day 1. To be clear, the hypothetical suggestion here is that Dom is Creature's partner, and wanted to keep up his case against Dyslexicon for as long as possible, but then was confronted with a moment where he had to, or felt that he had to, acknowledge that Creature was scum. The result is a somewhat awkwardly placed nod of approval toward the lynch.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:59 pm What’s going on I’m here who’s dead

Tony's late to the party.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:01 pm Hiya TSP.

Who's Quin's teamate?

And that's about it. If I squint my eyes and stretch things a little I find reasons to suspect wilgy and/or dom a little bit here. I feel mostly good about LC and sig.
Also, while I wasn't bothering to write things about timmer, quin, or dizzy, I'll note here that both timmer and Quin showed town signs during the limbo period between lynch and flip: they both actively entertained ideas about my vote being an attempt to save LC, which is not something that I'd expect Creature partners to care about. I didn't see anything that would give Dyslexicon townie points. But that doesn't erase my feelings about the way the end of day itself played out.

As a final note: I think the most likely behavior that Creature's partners would have exhibited last night would be total silence. One of their partners just got lynched and only they knew about it. Why say anything? So while I wanted to look at the content that exists in the thread, I also think that silence looks worse than activity in this instance.

I have not looked super closely at Tony. I will if I make it to Day 2. Got things to do right now.

And I should clarify that I was mostly null on wilgy as well. I was just trying to provide an interpretation for seeing him as bad.

Look at that perfect bell curve on the poll.

Super lame kill. Mafia are jerks.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:02 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:55 pm Oh, look. Scum hunting!

Sloonei, I have some comments/responses:
- I agree with you that Sig looks likely town from the EoD.
- I don't find Wilgy particularly suspicious, but more null maybe.
- I interpreted the line you're pointing out from Dom differently. But Dom will probably comment on that.
- It's hard to know whether scum knew Creature was the lynch or not until it was pointed out in thread. Depends on who it is and if they were around just at day end. I don't know when the poll disappeared. I also agree that silence or minimal commenting is probably where we will find scum.

What do you think of Tony coming in after the flip and starting to respond to posts and claiming he didn't know what was going on? In short, what do you think about my points against Tony?

All I get from Tony, Dom and Epi after the lynch is just salt or annoyance. Not saying they are all scum, but I'd be highly surprised if none of them where. I'm mostly suspicious of Tony for how he reacted to the lynch. He cleared the four of us begrudgingly, but he did not really change any of his reads otherwise after the flip or did any digging/evaluation for what the flip might mean. He just continues to read Dom and Epi town without question. It doesn't look like town reacting to a lynch and building a world from it. Maybe Dom and Epi are actually town and Tony is trying to win them over. That's just speculation though. The upset/salt towards me also confuses me.

See, this is why I hate CFDs/hot potatos.

It's not the fast vote changing at EoD. That is annoying but is also kind of fun and might work.

It's how if the hot potato hits scum, the people involved in it turn into absolute nascissists after the fact.

The first time I saw this happen, the game turned so insufferable I ended up getting in a fight with a bunch of people, almost ragequitting, and getting my first non-lylo mislynch in this site. Built some animosities that lasted months after that game.

I mean I get it, you guys scored town points. You don't need to talk about it every two posts. You don't need to assume people who disagree with you are automatically bad, either.

Which is why I won't vote for TSP. His frustration about having to deal with a new formed circle-jerk could be genuine, because I've felt it before.

Fuck hot potatos.

/rant

I can only speak for myself, but the town credibility of those who were around at the end of yesterday was established before the lynch went through. The hot potato only happened because we all town read each other, imo. It wasn’t a case of each of us deciding that we were trustworthy because the lynch was successful. We worked together to lynch a player because we trusted each other. I think.

Anyway, I had three strong town reads and a fourth moderate one (sig), but now one of those three strong ones is dead. I do not have a single suspect. I’ll look to fix that today.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:19 pm I just remembered something.

Most of the discussion that happened after the hot potato in that game was about how Sig was obviously bad for opposing the hot potato (he was civ).

Which is probably why Sig had such a strong reaction to this game's hot potato. He is another poor soul whose TS experience was scarred by it.

I'm reading him town now.

I feel like most of the response was pro-sig.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:26 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:19 pmMost of the discussion that happened after the hot potato in that game was about how Sig was obviously bad for opposing the hot potato (he was civ).

Oh wait. You were talking about Sig in a different game here. I thought you meant this game. I stand corrected. Then never mind, I don't know about the game you're talking about.

When you come back I would want to hear more about where you have your suspicions and where you think we should go next.

I also missed this.

I’d rather vote mac than lc

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:52 am

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:48 am is mac ok, for real though?


like is he in the *on fire* part of australia?

As I understand it, he is not.

Yeah, Quin says he and Mac are in the less burning part of the continent. It’s still not a place I’d want to be right now.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:28 pm Okay let’s push past the people (myself included) being dramatic part and move on.

There was talk last night about LC likely being town from results. Someone explain that to me. Sloonei maybe?

I have slight town reads on a lot of people right now, which lends credence to DDL’s inactive scum theory. That said, I don’t think there’s any point to vote for Mac just to entice him to show up if we don’t intend to lynch him. It’s -EV to lynch any essentially inactive player, especially Mac who might show up and solve the game. In Fallout he had 2 posts and then day 1 he came in and called out both scum.

It was a minor point that looked bigger because I was typing a big post.

LC looked like he genuinely had no clue who was lynched yesterday and thought that it might be him, but he didn't leave or pout or anything. He stuck around and seemed intent on trying to play the game.

I was leaning slightly town on him before any of this anyway.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:28 pm I am playing but there is a lack of scumhuntable posts that I can talk about.

Someone overreact about something silly so another person can be shady about it and then I can vote for them.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:35 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:17 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:34 pm Yeah, it's a good idea to make players not play the game

Phony indignation.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

There it is.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Creature acted exactly the same way last game where he was civ.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:58 am I also have a hunch on LC

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Feels like hes more self-contained than usual or something.

I can look at these posts and see them as DDL making jokes and going through the motions to appear engaged with the thread on Day 1. The first is a call for somebody else to do a Mafia Thing so that the game can begin. The second is a response to Epi doing a Mafia Thing, but then he does not follow up in any meaningful way on that. He drops a vote on LC several hours later instead. DDL's interest in getting the scumhunting started was phony.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:17 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:28 pm Okay let’s push past the people (myself included) being dramatic part and move on.

There was talk last night about LC likely being town from results. Someone explain that to me. Sloonei maybe?

I have slight town reads on a lot of people right now, which lends credence to DDL’s inactive scum theory. That said, I don’t think there’s any point to vote for Mac just to entice him to show up if we don’t intend to lynch him. It’s -EV to lynch any essentially inactive player, especially Mac who might show up and solve the game. In Fallout he had 2 posts and then day 1 he came in and called out both scum.

I'm not voting Mac to make him show up.

I'm voting Mac because I think lynching him right now is a good move, considering we just got 1 baddie and there is a good chance there are inactives among the remaining ones. I feel like a semi-active baddie would have given more of a damn at EoD1.

And I haven't played with Sorsha in ages so I'm picking Mac over her.

If Mac decides to become active, this assessment may change, but right now I'm voting him to lynch him.

What makes you believe we have inactive bad guys?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:37 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:56 am Tony, why are you going specifically after the Fearsome Four? Do you agree with Epi that there's likely a baddie among them?

I don't really want to go after them. They all came together to lynch a baddie Day 1, in hot-potato fashion. That's good enough for me to want to look elsewhere for the next lynch.

What do you think about this post?

What do you think about this post?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:11 pm It’s too politiciany and implicitly seems like he’s trying to “get my vote” or whatever

Explain

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:44 pmI can look at these posts and see them as DDL making jokes and going through the motions to appear engaged with the thread on Day 1. The first is a call for somebody else to do a Mafia Thing so that the game can begin. The second is a response to Epi doing a Mafia Thing, but then he does not follow up in any meaningful way on that. He drops a vote on LC several hours later instead. DDL's interest in getting the scumhunting started was phony.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

What do you think of his recent interaction with me? Do you think that is likely come from scum? Cause I doubt it.

Do you have any comment on Tony at all, or are you guys teamed or what?

I think the emotions of DDL's posts are real, but I don't think they tell me anything about his alignment.

I am not currently inclined to vote for Tony. I've played with him twice in the recentish past. He was town once and I lynched him on Day 1. He was scum the other time, and I lynched him at the last second after having him as my top town read for the majority of the game. His play here looks more like the town version that I lynched Day 1. I'm also not sure what specific points exist against him.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:52 pm Let’s get this thing moving.


Epi: have you finished reading?
Sloonei: do you think a reasonable POE exists at this stage?
Dys: ditto Sloonei
Timmer: who do you think is scum?
Dom: Why is Mac voting for you?
LC: why shouldn’t I vote for you?
Wilgy: why can I not remember anything you’ve said this game?
DDL: convince me to vote for Mac
Mac: say hi
Sig: give me a narrative about who’s bad and why it makes sense.

Sig and timmer would be the first people I’d remove from my POE. Dizzy wouldn’t be far behind. After that I’d probably me most inclined to remove Epi. I don’t think you or LC are scum at this point, but that’s not a strong enough feeling to remove you from the list.

So I guess my POE is you, LC, wilgy, DDL, Mac, Dom, Sorsha, and Michelle. For two bad spots (I assume) that’s a big list.

I’ll note that I liked Michelle’s entry into the game well enough. I also feel mildly good about wilgy. Add you and LC to the list of feel-goodies and I’m looking mostly at DDL, Dom, Mac, and Sorsha. If that’s the POE, we’re in good shape. But that list is not locked in place.

What makes Dyslexicon manipulative here, and why is that manipulation bad?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:31 pm Reading over Tony's previous scum games, it's hard for me to see a lot of difference from how I remember his town play. Except maybe volume. I think he posts more as town? Or that's what I remember. But this game most players have low volume. He didn't shy away from acting with his teammates. Other than that I didn't really get much out of it but oh well.

Question: Does scum generally put in more effort than town on this site? Cause Tony said that in one of those games.

I wouldn’t say there’s a site-wide meta for effort levels by alignment. It varies from game to game and player to player, but in general I think it’s even. Tony also comes from another site and hasn’t played a ton of games here yet.