The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:GTH GO

EPIGNOSIS

GLORFINDEL

G-MAN

Good good good

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:GTH GO

SILVERWOLF

SIG

SCOTTY

Good bad good

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:GTH GO

VOMPATTI

SPACEDAISY

SOKOTHQULTUG

Good bad good

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:GTH GO

DFARADAY / DEX

DRUMBEATS

DRWILGY

Bad good bad

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:GUN TO HEAD GO:

ZEBRA

BEA

BLACK ROCK

Good bad good

Well I'm here but I'm going to bed.

@ Scotty, No, I read them. I misunderstood what you were saying, I missed the irony angle.

Scotty wrote:Keep those sig votes comin! We could use another 7 for a strong secondary lynch candidate!

Why do we need a secondary lynch candidate if LoRab claimed yesterday?

rabbit8 wrote:If you need a replacement Golden, I'm always good to annoy... everyone. Mainly you though... amiright?

Good to see you

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Raise your hand if you've ever been annoyed when you were correctly suspected for incorrect reasons.

*raises hand*

This time: incorrect suspicion following incorrect reasons.

S~V~S wrote:You were waiting for something.

Qualify that. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Just show me and everyone else why you are saying that. I thought that was the norm when making an accusation. I don't understand what about my gameplay was "waiting-style", and when and how my gameplay supposedly changed. I'm still playing the same game I have been all along. Killing Cylons. That's it.

Do you think that I have contributed nothing to the game?

LC,I have said why. It's the gestalt of your entire game. I am sorry I can't give you anymore than I have. Early on you made that post about watching out for people with the second most votes getting lynched, and then it sure did look like you were trying to get lynched. That whole business with throwing a wrench into Indis carefully documented plan that she made with charts and all, your whole game has seemed like you were just killing time and waiting for something to happen, like I said, a holding pattern. Your insistence, even with all your knowledge of the show, that all Cylons had to die. Then suddenly a secret role declares Martial Law (that can't be good), that all cylons must die, actually changes win conditions for at least one civvie, and you suddenly start taking being lynched seriously.

And of course you have contributed, I never said you did not. You are putting words in my mouth.

I don't have any info, you are acting as if I am info dumping, but I am not. This is my sincere opinion based on watching you very closely. That early post about the person with the second most votes getting lynched got my eye, and you have had it ever since.

I think the case JJJ made was more threatening to you, more fact based,less gut based, so I am not sure why this one is upsetting you so while that one did not.

I am going to vote LoRab. If the win conditions change back, or she lifts Martial Law, maybe Cain is not such a threat But if they don't, I think she is. And I think you are her.

*Vote LoRab*

Long Con wrote:

S~V~S wrote:You know I am a gut player, LC. I have been saying it in real time for days, how I felt about you. You have had something going on all game long, and Admiral Cain fits it. You have been in a holding pattern waiting for something to happen. That is exactly how your game has looked, in retrospect.

And now something happened.

And everyone playing the game they play has nothing to do with respect. I deeply respect you as a player, and fear you immensely. That is why I am doing and saying what I am doing & saying. I can't play like you, though, I can only play like me.

I am sorry if you don't like my reasons, they are what they are.

If I am wrong, post game send me what you want me to say in my sig. But I think my sig will stay exactly the same as it is

I already said what I want it to say. Something about you being wrong that I was trying to get lynched. That's annoying me the most out of all of it, because it's not true. And you are using that untruth to fuel your other opinions about me. I'm trying to get lynched, so I have a secret agenda, so I must be the secret role. You're basing your entire opinion on the original faulty conclusion that you are having so much trouble letting go of.

And this is not a sig bet. I don't make sig bets. This is an agreement to an apology after we're done, which you prove is authentic by wearing it in your sig.

I know it isn't a bet. I said send me what you want post game if I am wrong, but I don't think that I am. You were waiting for something. Something happened.

@Epi, *raises hand*

You know I am a gut player, LC. I have been saying it in real time for days, how I felt about you. You have had something going on all game long, and Admiral Cain fits it. You have been in a holding pattern waiting for something to happen. That is exactly how your game has looked, in retrospect.

And now something happened.

And everyone playing the game they play has nothing to do with respect. I deeply respect you as a player, and fear you immensely. That is why I am doing and saying what I am doing & saying. I can't play like you, though, I can only play like me.

I am sorry if you don't like my reasons, they are what they are.

If I am wrong, post game send me what you want me to say in my sig. But I think my sig will stay exactly the same as it is

Long Con wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Long Con wrote:You'll notice an empty gap in there... here's that part I forgot to go back and do:

I am sorry if I am getting on your nerves with this. But I think Cain is not good for anyone, and probably has secret role style secret win cons. She came in & ripped a possible win out from some people for no reason, and possibly hurt others, HUMAN others, as well. One of our strongest town roles quite probably has contact with a cylon. And if Cain put out this, who knows what things might be ahead.

"I think", "possible", "possibly", "quite probably", "who know what".... this is all 100% SPECULATION. This is not worth starting a lynch train against me just because you think something might be true because you think it.

I have come up with a perfectly reasonable solution to Cain's Martial Law, in that the President could make an Exception Amendment... whereby a Cylon like Epi could receive a majority vote and be exempt from the Kill 'Em All Law. As usual, of course, there were zero likes on SyndBook for that post, as no one even acknowledged it. Try being Long Con someday, S~V~S. You're damn right it would get on your nerves.

It's nerve grating enough being myself, thanks And probably for similar reasons

I just don't trust Cain to do what is right for others, just for herself.

"Do"... what is "do", in your mind? Are you talking about the gameplay and voting of Cain's player? Do you mean with regard to jumping the fleet? Are you imagining some secret powers that are somehow Civ-unfriendly? Do you think her goal is something other than killing Cylons? Or is this more roleplaying, you don't trust the character on the show?

I don't trust the role based on the fact that it is a secret role, that it stole peoples win cons. I don't trust you based on your play up to the point that Cain was revealed, and I feel your agenda changed at that time. Based on your gameplay since then even more. I think you had some sort of one time immunity or something and you were trying to get lynched for cred, which you would not do if a civ. Maybe you lost it when your role was revealed, maybe you lost it becasue someone tried to NK you last night. I have no way of knowing. But I don;t think you have been playing for the town all game; you have been playing for yourself. I think you are Admiral Cain. And I have no clue what your goal is. But at least one person I think is not bad now had to die for you OR FOR ME & OTHERS to win. Cain just made winning harder for most of us, and impossible for some. I don't think Cain is beneficial to the town. We don't need Cains directives.

It all clicked into place for me when Cain was revealed.

And why do you keep bringing up roleplaying? I am not role playing. I am trying to talk in ther terms/terminology of the game. Roleplay is not something I generally do. Is it a way of trying to make me look zany or silly?

Long Con wrote:You'll notice an empty gap in there... here's that part I forgot to go back and do:

I am sorry if I am getting on your nerves with this. But I think Cain is not good for anyone, and probably has secret role style secret win cons. She came in & ripped a possible win out from some people for no reason, and possibly hurt others, HUMAN others, as well. One of our strongest town roles quite probably has contact with a cylon. And if Cain put out this, who knows what things might be ahead.

"I think", "possible", "possibly", "quite probably", "who know what".... this is all 100% SPECULATION. This is not worth starting a lynch train against me just because you think something might be true because you think it.

I have come up with a perfectly reasonable solution to Cain's Martial Law, in that the President could make an Exception Amendment... whereby a Cylon like Epi could receive a majority vote and be exempt from the Kill 'Em All Law. As usual, of course, there were zero likes on SyndBook for that post, as no one even acknowledged it. Try being Long Con someday, S~V~S. You're damn right it would get on your nerves.

It's nerve grating enough being myself, thanks And probably for similar reasons

I just don't trust Cain to do what is right for others, just for herself.

Long Con wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Long Con wrote: The only players with a reason to want Cain dead are Cylons.

I seriously doubt that. Admiral Cain's law might have changed the situation for a lot of players.

It's really up to the Humans out there to decide for themselves if it's worth trying to lynch a role that is not in their... goal-oriented behaviour... over lynching Cylons that we all need dead no matter what.

Ricochet wrote:Why are you appealing to "don't be like that"? Tell me why I should distrust the information.

Also I'm not a proponent of you being Cain, SVS mostly is. I've no idea who Admiral Cain is or where to look for her.

What "information"?? "Don't be like that" means "don't be that guy who just hops on to a popular suspicion without even really knowing why".

I asked you why, and your response was recorded in Mirriam-Webster's as the new definition of "glib". What the f*ck makes me a Cylon?

I would rather lynch Cain than Epignosis, tbh.

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Where did SVS claim Cylon today?

Everything about this post screams "I am a Cylon". Literally everything, except the blablabla about Lorab being a Cylon that we all already know.

She opposes the plan, and she wants to kill Cain. The only players with a reason to want Cain dead are Cylons. I'm not Cain, but that's not the point, the point is what S~V~S believes.

S~V~S wrote:I utterly hate the idea of forcing anyone to do anything. If you want to lynch them since you think they are cylons for refusing to take the pledge, that's one thing. But forcing people to make claims against their will by piling votes on them with potential vote manips out there to force them to make a claim that might not even be applicable just seems like a bad idea. Also kind of mean. Trying to convince them, awesome. Forcing them, not so much.

I plan to either vote for LoRab flat out, or for LC if people are amiable to that. We know LoRab is a Cylon, and I will eat my hat and sig anything LC wants for the rest of my mafia career if he is not Admiral Cain. I don;t want to make anyone do anything they don't want to. That is not much fun, tbh.

I oppose any plan that forces, or attempts to force, people to do things they don't want to do, like voting for them to push them to make a statement. That's bullying, and it is NOT civvie, imo. I AM in favor of a plan that tries to get everyone to say they are a cylon voluntarily to eliminate lynch saves, and have been since MM first brought it up. Plans to vote people to attempt to coerce them just pushed people further into the woodwork, imo.

I am sorry if I am getting on your nerves with this. But I think Cain is not good for anyone, and probably has secret role style secret win cons. She came in & ripped a possible win out from some people for no reason, and possibly hurt others, HUMAN others, as well. One of our strongest town roles quite probably has contact with a cylon. And if Cain put out this, who knows what things might be ahead.

I am not in favor of civvies being run by a dictatorship. The town should run itself.

Linki, not role playing~

And I see you don't want to be lynched anymore, Admiral

And as an ebwop, I am NOT Six or any other cylon.

Linki, I would vote for her becasue I think she is bad. She is scrambly, and I don;t think she is Six based on what she has said in her defense.

I am opposed to Martial Law and control of the fleet being removed from Adama. I think some cylons, like Epi, can be good, and I don't like someone with their own agenda just changing gears like this. I HATE that the win cons have been changed, since I believe Epi is not bad, and I doubt that Six is a baddie, either.

I think Cain needs to go and control needs to be returned to the sane.

Long Con wrote:

Ricochet wrote:In fact, I incline to regard Long Con as a shoe in, due to certain mentions that have been made in the game.

What are you even talking about??

Maybe he wants me to eat your shoe as well as your hat if you are NOT Cain. I'm game, if it isn't leather.

Long Con wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I utterly hate the idea of forcing anyone to do anything. If you want to lynch them since you think they are cylons for refusing to take the pledge, that's one thing. But forcing people to make claims against their will by piling votes on them with potential vote manips out there to force them to make a claim that might not even be applicable just seems like a bad idea. Also kind of mean. Trying to convince them, awesome. Forcing them, not so much.

I plan to either vote for LoRab flat out, or for LC if people are amiable to that. We know LoRab is a Cylon, and I will eat my hat and sig anything LC wants for the rest of my mafia career if he is not Admiral Cain. I don;t want to make anyone do anything they don't want to. That is not much fun, tbh.

Ok, so S~V~S has immunity this lynch. Put her on the list of claimers.

I claimed yesterday.

I'm a vegetarian.

Linki, agreed, MM, re Silver & Drum

DFaraday wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DFaraday wrote:So say we all

It makes more sense to me to go for someone who has claimed Cylon than taking a shot in the dark (especially if that shot is at me).

votes Lorab

Would you be willing to claim Cylon at this moment?

I'm not a Cylon, so I don't see how that will help me.

The more people that say it, the more "Peer Pressure" falls on the cylons who can use it as a lynch save to also claim it so as not to stand out by refusing to do something that hurts cylons but not humans.

tl;dr it won't hurt if you are not a cylon.

ebwop AGAIN, lol.

Or Rico. I have no reason since day 1 to think he might not be on my side. I wish they would just do it, but if they don't, they don't.

Linki, when I think of the damage immortal marmots would cause to our national parks... And fair enough. It's just that I have heard similar sentiments from others.

EBWOP, I don't think Epi is bad, and getting rid of Cain will bring a return to saner policies. I don't want to force him to burn his protection, and I don't even know that I think OA is a cylon.

I think this is YOUR plan, not everyones plan

I utterly hate the idea of forcing anyone to do anything. If you want to lynch them since you think they are cylons for refusing to take the pledge, that's one thing. But forcing people to make claims against their will by piling votes on them with potential vote manips out there to force them to make a claim that might not even be applicable just seems like a bad idea. Also kind of mean. Trying to convince them, awesome. Forcing them, not so much.

I plan to either vote for LoRab flat out, or for LC if people are amiable to that. We know LoRab is a Cylon, and I will eat my hat and sig anything LC wants for the rest of my mafia career if he is not Admiral Cain. I don;t want to make anyone do anything they don't want to. That is not much fun, tbh.

Ricochet wrote:Ok, hitting the gym soon, so here are some questions and issues:

1. Does anyone have any opinion on Caprica Six's status in this game?
2. Does anyone believe that Caprica Six could count as a non-baddie cylon?
3. Does anyone believe that LoRab could be Caprica Six, based on claiming to be a non-baddie cylon?
4. Does anyone think LoRab could realistically be any other cylon and not have a baddie alignment?
5. If you're heavily dependent on the lore, do you think the dynamic between Caprica Six and Admiral Cain matters?
6. If the dynamic between Caprica Six and Admiral Cain could matter, would it change your views on LoRab's claims and the issue of lynching LoRab?
7. Is everyone who planned to lynch LoRab still planning to do so?
8. I cut off my reads at DrumBeats the other night, does anyone else have thoughts on him?
9. Is there Pepsi left on any of the ships?

I think Caprica Six prolly has BTS or contact of some kind with Baltar. Whether this means they are both civs, or one has secrets, or both have secrets, or maybe they have their own win cons only they know ... but I don't think LoRab is Caprica becasue she keeps screaming she does not have BTS, and if she had civ aligned BTS I think she would not be as adamant on that point.

I don't know the dynamic with Cain & Caprica, I have not had a lot of Wiki time since she was revealed. What is the dynamic?

@sig, I am not in favor of forcing anyone to do anything. We have no reason to think Epi is an evil cylon, so why treat him like one?

I can be down for either a LoRab or LC lynch today. He has just been biding time until now, imo, and he knew this was going to happen.

While I don't understand why non-cylons won't make the statement, I can't pretend that I haven't done things I thought were valid when no one else understood them, either. So I am not in favor of forcing anyone to take the pledge by racking up votes on them to force their hand if they are a cylon ow whatever, or using it as a sole source of suspicion. Feels very "1984" to me. It was, and is, a good idea to take those lynch saves off the table; but everyone has to do it or it is kinda pointless other than as a statement action from those who said it.

If anything, I think those vocally opposing it are more likely to be humans than those sitting silently by watching, and not saying the statement, or anything else for that matter. Normally I don;t love lynching people for silence, but sometimes silence does equal complicity.

Long Con wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Long Con wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Long Con wrote:Objectivity... about what? Cylons? Let me put it as straight as I can, then: if you believe that I am aligned against your interests, then you are a Cylon.

Things like this:

Long Con wrote:not because there's any legitimate case that I'm a Cylon.

If you're not a baddie, then this is a flawed mindset you're putting out there and I recommend you reconsider your line of thinking. There is a legitimate case that you're a cylon or otherwise bad. It isn't a certainty, but the case is perfectly valid.

You're basically telling everyone who suspects you that they're either insincere about why or that they're bad. A lot of people suspect you. Too many for that mindset to apply. It's silly.

I agree, it is silly. I don't think most of the people that suspect me have a clear idea of why though. They just have a gut feel that I'm bad because I stole the Sortie, maybe because I didn't agree with you on nutella.

I think you are bad becasue you were clearly trying to get lynched on Night 2.

You will stay wrong about that for the rest of your life for all I care. That is your invention, not mine. I dare you to sig it.

You were trying, imo, to claim that role you referred to where the person with the second most votes would be lynched, for cred. If you actually WERE that role, you would not draw attention to yourself.

I was trying to figure out what your angle was then this Admiral Cain thing happens, and I just know it's you. I don't think you are a cylon. I think you are very bad rogue role.

Your instincts fail you.

I will be happy to sig it. Funny you said that, I always feel dorky asking people that because once after I offered to sig bet someone, you said sig bets were lame.

And I am fine with my instincts. You are so, so bad.

Long Con wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Long Con wrote:Objectivity... about what? Cylons? Let me put it as straight as I can, then: if you believe that I am aligned against your interests, then you are a Cylon.

Things like this:

Long Con wrote:not because there's any legitimate case that I'm a Cylon.

If you're not a baddie, then this is a flawed mindset you're putting out there and I recommend you reconsider your line of thinking. There is a legitimate case that you're a cylon or otherwise bad. It isn't a certainty, but the case is perfectly valid.

You're basically telling everyone who suspects you that they're either insincere about why or that they're bad. A lot of people suspect you. Too many for that mindset to apply. It's silly.

I agree, it is silly. I don't think most of the people that suspect me have a clear idea of why though. They just have a gut feel that I'm bad because I stole the Sortie, maybe because I didn't agree with you on nutella.

I think you are bad becasue you were clearly trying to get lynched on Night 2. You were trying, imo, to claim that role you referred to where the person with the second most votes would be lynched, for cred. If you actually WERE that role, you would not draw attention to yourself.

I was trying to figure out what your angle was then this Admiral Cain thing happens, and I just know it's you. I don't think you are a cylon. I think you are very bad rogue role.

So LC apparently no longer wants to get lynched

Polo wrote:Did the doctors require you to undergo a cylonoscopy?

Although at first glance, I was like, "Wow, a bit personal don;t you think??"

First, not sure if anyone saw this:

Epignosis wrote:I am laid up at the hospital awaiting an unexpected surgery. I am in a great deal of pain. I don't know how that will affect my activity here- just letting my Syndicate family know.

Let's keep him in our thoughts.

Then, I totally agree with Matt about LC. I think our new Dictator has to go, and I think Cain is LC. That explains most if not all of his shenanigans; he was biding time until this happened.

Also, fwiw, Silver, I think LC is obvious as well

sig wrote:So Say we All!

Okay so I still need to catch up but I saw the night results,

STOP VOTING FOR LORAB!

Why you may ask the answer is simply, right now we need to kill all the cylons the cylon amnesty law is still in play. We should make Epi the number 1 wagon and Lorab the number 2 wagon, So Epi will need to claim he's a cylon so he won't have the amnesty and then Lorab will still be lynched. We need to make sure everyone is on board with this though and we don't have what happened yesterday where Lorab had fewer votes then the counterwagon.


@HOST was no kill submitted or was the nightkill blocked? Also when did the Marmot law start working? Would it have blocked last nights kill?

Almost done school for the year so bear with me here.

STOP VOTING FOR ANYONE until we know if this law by the dictator stops when she is gone. If that is the case, I don't want force Epignosis or anyone else to do anything. Forcing people to do things is mob-think.

Although if I could force everyone to vote LC I would causr I think he's the New Boss

OK, gotcha.

I would have already voted if this were a changeable game, but I want to hear what Golden says about Cains proclamations first. If they end when the Dictator does, finishing what we started with LoRab works for me. If they DON'T, I would rather get Cain before even more proclamations are made.

(Damn you Golden, now I think about cylons in the shower & walking the dog, lol )

Do we also think Admiral Cain knew her win cons prior to her public arrival?

I myself am not a fan of "martial law".

Matt wrote:

bea wrote:Matt? Really? Given what you know of the show, given you know I'm a fan too, you really can't see any reason at all I won't claim? Outside of I must be cain???

I understand your pov, if you're civ and being real, but I don't agree with it.

Despite the Final Five most likely being good, I'd hate to be in a Lylo situation where we have a bad cylon or two who has yet to claim. That would be disastrous.

Anyway you were like, 4th on my list.

Long Con stands above everyone as someone who, early on in the game, was like "Destroy all Cylons!!!" which I found weird even back then because he was a fan of the show.

I think I'd be down with lynching Long Con. After the Lorab show, of course.

This kind of would also explain why he may have been trying to get lynched; maybe that would have triggered this earlier or made him invincible or something? I may favor him first, since Admiral Cain appears to have power over all of us. She took over the fleet, changed our win cons, basically outlawed Epi overnight.

@ Golden~Are the Admirals proclamations permanent or do they end with her death?

If they are permanent,I would like to get the Admiral before more proclamations are issued and more permanent damage done, who knows what else is up his/her sleeves.

Linki, Dictators are good for no one. And I think Bea was drunk the other night, and probably not a cylon, if she was bad she would not have kept chatting ad she did after the Nero lynch. I don't understand why people would refuse to claim, but I am not going to brand them cylons for their refusal.

So say we all.

Quick Question; does ANYONE think Admiral Cain must be a force for good?

Rico, the cylons die the first time they are lynched instead of someone else since they can't claim amnesty. They take one day to lynch, not two. We don';t waste days lynching the same person over.

That is the benefit. If LoRab had not had that amnesty, Nero would be alive now, which definitely would have benefited him.

EPWOP~ *She WOULD HAVE BEEN lynched, not Nero.

Ricochet wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Fos Ricochet-He's too opposed to a plan that benefits civs and hurts baddies. I had a town read there until this. Also, D'Faraday needs to speak up or be lynched as well.

How does it hurt baddies? Give me your perspective. How is it unlikely for Cylons to literally blend in with a large crowd of fake claimers? Why am I suspicious for bringing this up?

Also, is your fake claim enabled and used up, if you say it during the Night?

Let me lay it out better:

We all claim day 4 that we are cylons. We lynch LoRab. Day 5 comes around and we scumhunt and lynch Long Con for example. Now, he dies. See what I mean? It prevents the situation that occurred between LoRab and Nero and reduces last minute vote scrambling and mislynches.

If you are still opposed to it after I say this, then you are an auto FoS.

Technically, we cannot "all" claim on Day 4 anymore. Some have already claimed Day 3. But I'll pick up your thesis:

Everyone uses his claim Day 4. Cool.
Tell me which are the Cylons.
Tell me how the baddies are hurt, in this instance.

Becasue when they are up for a lynch on subsequent days, they can't claim cylon. They can be lynched that day, rather than a last minute unintentional CFD lynch which is most likely to be a civvie. Which is what happened yesterday.

Had LoRab not been able to claim yesterday, she would not be lynched, not Nero. This would have been bad for LoRab. It won't hurt them the day they do it, but it could hurt them down the road.

Ricochet wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:I don't get why some players just dumped Cylon claims merely for the sake of getting rid of 'em. Most of you weren't even strong lynch candidates. I find this behavior a bit chaotic. If you're humans, you merely went around the law and played with the notion of fake claiming. If you're cylons, right now you could have easily bantered your way out of every having to out yourselves for real and your D2 testimony being treated as the equivalent of WIFOM ("did he/she claim for bantz or for real?"), instead of being every scrutizined properly.

Did you even read the plan? The point is that if everyone posts in thread "I am a Cylon", then we can theoretically eliminate all amnesty in a single day phase.

We weren't claiming "for shits and giggles", we were claiming to force the hands of the Cylons.

Did you read my caveat? Cylons could perfectly blend in with this, whilst not giving a frak about actual amnesty. The amnesty law should be like plain bait for Cylons, especially bad ones. I can't speak for LoRab's decision, but if I were Cylon and bad, I would not touch the amnesty button one bit, at this stage. LoRab did, but I doubt all six others will and I doubt this law will be the gamesolver for us civilians.

Why?

I doubt a cylon would use the Amnesty unless they were sure to the point of certainty they were gonna be lynched. So ... the law means someone else, probably not a cylon, is gonna get lynched instead and we have to waste a day relynching someone who was gonna be lynched anyhow? This is EXACTLY what happened yesterday; most seemed to expect a LoRab lynch, so everyone who had not voted flailed around like headless chickens about who to lynch, and it wound up being a civvie. This seems a lot more chaotic to me than leaving the amnesty claims out there. Had LoRab not been able to claim, Nero would still be alive and one more cylon would be gone. Having seen the amnesty in action, I have no issue with encouraging people into saying it, removing that lifeline, no matter how remote a chance that pepole use it.

I can't speak for everyone, but another reason I did it is because the host said many/most (I don't recall which word he used) roles have secrets. Plus there are contests. Knowing Golden, it would not surprise me if one of the secrets/prizes was a lie detect.

I had no problem saying I was a cylon for the purposes MM outlined, and I don't think it will hurt if people say it, unless they actually *are* cylons. I don't really see why there is resistance to this idea.

22 19 more minutes, Cylon Claimers.

Linki, OMG Golden is a cylon

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Also,

Metalmarsh89 wrote:A human has nothing to lose by saying this. A Cylon has a lynch to lose by saying this today.

I propose that every player state "I am a Cylon" at this moment.

Sure, I think it is a good idea.

I am a Cylon

I don't love any rule that allows for self outing, tbh, so if we all say that that eliminates that possibility.

Long Con wrote:Bea, DrWilgy, Nerolunar, Ricochet, S~V~S, sig

A second vote for any of these folks could doom them. Or make them admit to being a Cylon. Come one, folks, let's make something happen NOW, not five minutes before deadline.

ONE person vote someone, and they will be squeezed.

You left "Long Con" off your list

Linki @ MM, she already did.

Linki @ OA, why the frownie? I have no reason to believe any of the people voting LoRab are bad, based on their thread up to this point. I got a ping off Rico day one,but then he brought his Rico game to the table.

Polo (10), a2thezebra (11), Vompatti (12), Ricochet (13), S~V~S (14), DFaraday (15), JaggedJimmyJay (16)

Actually, I don't think that ANY smart player in those circumstances would vote for their teammate. Would ANY of you do that?

I didn't think so.

Linki, of course it does, LC. That is a list of civvies up there, LC. Every single one, in my opinion. And I think you know it,too.

But that doesn't make it untrue.You would do that too, OA.

So would you, I am sure

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I feel better about them, because obviously, she would prefer not to have to do it at all. Claiming you are a cylon is a last ditch resort.

One or more of them voting a teammate who is about to claim Cylon, and you feel better about them....you see there this goes down the black rabbit hole.

No, not really. Because someone would say what you are saying. I know I would not in a million years vote for a teammate about to role claim baddie. I would vote some tangent vote, or hold my vote until after she did it.

It's true, OA.