The Syndicate

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:41 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:38 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:20 pm How do you feel about nutella, Quin? The mafia player, not the hazelnut spread.

I am unimpressed by the context in which she first voted for me. For reference, it was that 'look me in the eyes' thing. I agree with Epi's thoughts that she's less likely to be bad since she called Epi out on his lie rather than keeping it to her team, though.

She'd also just named as one of her final 3 candidates for lynching (at the time). I think that's a good enough basis for an early-phase vote.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:52 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:50 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:46 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:35 pm
How do you know what Wilgy was or was not thinking? There was nothing in the PM he sent me which contradicts any of this. Also, it's not even Wilgy's thoughts that matter here. It's SVS's. I think she would have reacted that way as scum or as town.
Look, I'm not voting S~V~S based on what Wilgy told you privately days ago. You could have said something to incriminate S~V~S then if you wanted to, but you didn't. You've posted every Day as far as I can see, and Wilgy was lynched ages ago. You could have said something. Now it just looks like you're trying to jumble together a case based on a PM a dead man sent you that nobody else can know if he sent or not. It's all very wild and full of hearsay. No thank you.
huh? No. I'm hardly using that PM to justify my vote. Pay more attention to the post I made highlighting SVS and llama's interactions. That's what I'm actually basing my vote on. I brought the Wilgy PM up now because, like you said, we're getting toward the end of the game. I didn't want to bring it up earlier when I wasn't fully involved in the game because I wouldn't have been able to follow up in any way, and I wasn't sure what would have been going on around me at the time. I'd honestly forgotten the contents of the message anyway. I had to check it after I had made my first couple posts about SVS. At that point I took an additional look at her posts to see what I could find that was relevant to what Wilgy had said to me on Day 1. That is all. It's not a crucial point and I never intended it to be so.
Fine, but I don't care about your S~V~S-llama interactions either. They're all circumstantial. There is no substance to them. If I need to go through breaking them down, I will, but I would rather not.
I would like to hear any thoughts you have on SVS. You don't have to acknowledge any of the things I've said about her, I just want your own independent thoughts on her.
Civilian. I already said why. Go read.

Where should I be reading for this why?

I don't immediately see a tool to colorize fonts, so here's a "Most to Least Town" list based solely on what I've observed today:

Epignosis
nutell
DharmaHelper
Long Con
timmer
Speedchuck
Quin
SVS

These reads are based on whole minutes of observation.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:20 pm How do you feel about nutella, Quin? The mafia player, not the hazelnut spread.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:30 pm Timmer
Long Con
Epignosis
DharmaHelper
Speedchuck
Sloonei
S~V~S
Quin

I'm interested in Speedchuck and DH here.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:27 pm Rainbow without color:

Nutella
Epignosis
Timmer
LC
DH
Quin
SVS
Sloonei

Is that really all the players? wow.

When I asked you why I was your top suspect (or at least the recipient of your vote) earlier, you said it was because you were following DH (who is currently plopped right in the middle of this list). Is that still the case, or do you have a substantial reason to choose me over Quin and SVS?

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:23 pm Wary. Not opposed. I'm not going to constantly reiterate my suspicion whenever I mention someone.

Snipped.
This still does not address the essence of my point, which is that you seemed to totally ignore your supposed suspicion of llama when composing those middle two posts. If you had a substantial reason to vote for llama, why make two posts in which you directly oppose the lynch? By "oppose" I mean you took a stance which was contrary to the act of voting for him. You can say that you were wary of the bandwagon and this is true. But this does not change the observable fact that you have two posts which are opposed to the idea of lynching llama, sandwiched between two posts in which you support his lynch.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:17 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:15 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:13 pm I subbed in after sprityo was killed, and Dizzy wasn't inactive on Day 1. So explain why these set of night kills makes me look bad, Sloonei.
Have you not stated elsewhere that you're having trouble getting caught up in this game?
No. I just stated that I wasn't going to play catch-up.
Which suggests some degree of blindness to events in the thread, no?
Yes, but unless all of my teammates are as misinformed as I am, that won't affect the night kill choices. If I'm bad and all my teammates are misinformed, then I'm going to figure out what's going on, aren't I?

I don't know the answer to this question, but it seems a little contrived. I don't know much about what you've done in this game period. I just know that, as a replacement, you're one of the less informed players left, along with myself. This means you would fit into DharmaHelper's criteria for suspicion. Note that it's not my criteria for suspicion. I never said I agree with the assessment, just that it's fair to say that either of us are suspicious if one is using DH's thought process.

How do you feel about nutella, Quin? The mafia player, not the hazelnut spread.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:17 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:14 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:04 pm Quin, talk about this succession of posts:
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:31 pm llama did not vote for alignment reveals.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:09 pm I figured I'd take a look at llamas posts to see what's going on there. I don't really see anything that leads me to read him any way or another. I do notice that he mentioned making a deal, and I don't know what's up with that.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:13 pm I don't reject the idea that a distracted llama might kill a heavily suspected person, but with 6 votes on him already, I'm not inclined to vote there. My other top of mind options are Epignosis or LC.
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:08 pm Reiterating that llama chose to vote for double voting or something over alignment reveals last night. I remember a baddie doing something along these lines happening in The Office, and I didn't pursue it then. So yeah, gut scum read for that.

A gripe I have with Long Con is that he's been vocalising his suspicion of Epi since Day 1, but it was only on Day 3 that he started to discuss it with people who were not Epi. On top of that, he only did that when Sloonei cued him to do so. I don't get the impression he really believes in his case.
First you take note of an odd Llama moment. Then you drop it a few days later, do a quick ISO of llama and come up with nothing conclusive and denounce the wagon that's starting to form against him, but an hour later you're suddenly on that wagon for the initial oddity you had observed two days earlier. You think this computes over here?
I don't know where you got the idea that I dropped it. Where did I say that I dropped it? It was a big reason as to why I suspected llama in the first place. Another thing you've got wrong. I thought the existing cases against llama were good. But with 5 people on the wagon before even halfway through the day and more being added onto it, I was hesitant because it seemed like an obvious runaway.
The bolded text is where I got the idea that you dropped your suspicion of llama. Where I come from, "I don't really see anything that leads me to read him any way or another" is not a statement of suspicion. Your post trajectory reads like this: Mildly suspicious of llama -[2 days pass]-> Neutral on llama -> opposed to lynching llama -> quietly return to original suspicion of llama an hour later.
His posts didn't give me any reason to read him one way or another. Does that help you?

A little bit but not enough. You're still opposed to his lynch in those middle two posts, but in favor of it in the two on opposite ends of the chain. If you continued to be suspicious of llama for his vote, then why did you neglect this in your read of llama in those other two posts?

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:15 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:13 pm I subbed in after sprityo was killed, and Dizzy wasn't inactive on Day 1. So explain why these set of night kills makes me look bad, Sloonei.
Have you not stated elsewhere that you're having trouble getting caught up in this game?
No. I just stated that I wasn't going to play catch-up.

Which suggests some degree of blindness to events in the thread, no?

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:13 pm I subbed in after sprityo was killed, and Dizzy wasn't inactive on Day 1. So explain why these set of night kills makes me look bad, Sloonei.

Have you not stated elsewhere that you're having trouble getting caught up in this game?

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:04 pm Quin, talk about this succession of posts:
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:31 pm llama did not vote for alignment reveals.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:09 pm I figured I'd take a look at llamas posts to see what's going on there. I don't really see anything that leads me to read him any way or another. I do notice that he mentioned making a deal, and I don't know what's up with that.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:13 pm I don't reject the idea that a distracted llama might kill a heavily suspected person, but with 6 votes on him already, I'm not inclined to vote there. My other top of mind options are Epignosis or LC.
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:08 pm Reiterating that llama chose to vote for double voting or something over alignment reveals last night. I remember a baddie doing something along these lines happening in The Office, and I didn't pursue it then. So yeah, gut scum read for that.

A gripe I have with Long Con is that he's been vocalising his suspicion of Epi since Day 1, but it was only on Day 3 that he started to discuss it with people who were not Epi. On top of that, he only did that when Sloonei cued him to do so. I don't get the impression he really believes in his case.
First you take note of an odd Llama moment. Then you drop it a few days later, do a quick ISO of llama and come up with nothing conclusive and denounce the wagon that's starting to form against him, but an hour later you're suddenly on that wagon for the initial oddity you had observed two days earlier. You think this computes over here?
I don't know where you got the idea that I dropped it. Where did I say that I dropped it? It was a big reason as to why I suspected llama in the first place. Another thing you've got wrong. I thought the existing cases against llama were good. But with 5 people on the wagon before even halfway through the day and more being added onto it, I was hesitant because it seemed like an obvious runaway.

The bolded text is where I got the idea that you dropped your suspicion of llama. Where I come from, "I don't really see anything that leads me to read him any way or another" is not a statement of suspicion. Your post trajectory reads like this: Mildly suspicious of llama -[2 days pass]-> Neutral on llama -> opposed to lynching llama -> quietly return to original suspicion of llama an hour later.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:05 pm Sprityo
Ricochet
Spacedaisy

All three kills, all three pretty much useless. The mafia (even without llama) are not paying attention and/or have no idea who to kill.

This is a good reason to suspect me, I don't object. It also seems like it could be a good reason to suspect SVS and Quin. Cool.

I'm interested in Nutella as a player right now. Her Process of Elimination magic has whittled the game down to three possible baddies occupying two available spots. There does not seem to be a whole lot of suspicion around her. If I'm not misreading things, she almost seems like a trusted player to some degree. I've seen her as an excellent townie in past games. If she says she is confident that 2 out of 3 players are scum, and I am one of those three players, then that is something I am going to take interest in. Like I said before, if she is right then I have a 100% chance of voting for scum today by following her.

So what do we think of nutella's thought process? And could you provide more elaboration now, nutella?

Quin, talk about this succession of posts:

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:31 pm llama did not vote for alignment reveals.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:09 pm I figured I'd take a look at llamas posts to see what's going on there. I don't really see anything that leads me to read him any way or another. I do notice that he mentioned making a deal, and I don't know what's up with that.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:13 pm I don't reject the idea that a distracted llama might kill a heavily suspected person, but with 6 votes on him already, I'm not inclined to vote there. My other top of mind options are Epignosis or LC.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:08 pm Reiterating that llama chose to vote for double voting or something over alignment reveals last night. I remember a baddie doing something along these lines happening in The Office, and I didn't pursue it then. So yeah, gut scum read for that.

A gripe I have with Long Con is that he's been vocalising his suspicion of Epi since Day 1, but it was only on Day 3 that he started to discuss it with people who were not Epi. On top of that, he only did that when Sloonei cued him to do so. I don't get the impression he really believes in his case.

First you take note of an odd Llama moment. Then you drop it a few days later, do a quick ISO of llama and come up with nothing conclusive and denounce the wagon that's starting to form against him, but an hour later you're suddenly on that wagon for the initial oddity you had observed two days earlier. You think this computes over here?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:52 pm
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Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:48 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:42 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:38 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:37 pm

I mean I caught Llama like days before anyone else so.
Was he the only bad guy?
I would assume not.
Cool, then let's find the others. Why are you voting for me?
Because I feel pretty sure most of the other options are civs and it's a double lynch so I'm trying to maximize the chances of nailing a mafia
That doesn't answer the question. Why me? Your vote being on me suggests that I am the best option to you. Why? Who are these multitudinous civs?

I'm pretty much just winging it, mate. I don't think I'm mafia. I don't think LC is mafia because he made six different LMS deals and allegedly thought the game was LMS, which he would not have if his role PM included "Hey LLama is your teammate". Epi is probably a civilian. That closes the window significantly. Of those left, I haven't really seen anything to indicate suspicion. And it's a double lynch.

So that leaves myself, speedchuck, quin, nutella, timmer, and SVS as suspects, correct? Can you think of anything substantial to say about any of those names?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:50 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:46 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:35 pm
How do you know what Wilgy was or was not thinking? There was nothing in the PM he sent me which contradicts any of this. Also, it's not even Wilgy's thoughts that matter here. It's SVS's. I think she would have reacted that way as scum or as town.
Look, I'm not voting S~V~S based on what Wilgy told you privately days ago. You could have said something to incriminate S~V~S then if you wanted to, but you didn't. You've posted every Day as far as I can see, and Wilgy was lynched ages ago. You could have said something. Now it just looks like you're trying to jumble together a case based on a PM a dead man sent you that nobody else can know if he sent or not. It's all very wild and full of hearsay. No thank you.
huh? No. I'm hardly using that PM to justify my vote. Pay more attention to the post I made highlighting SVS and llama's interactions. That's what I'm actually basing my vote on. I brought the Wilgy PM up now because, like you said, we're getting toward the end of the game. I didn't want to bring it up earlier when I wasn't fully involved in the game because I wouldn't have been able to follow up in any way, and I wasn't sure what would have been going on around me at the time. I'd honestly forgotten the contents of the message anyway. I had to check it after I had made my first couple posts about SVS. At that point I took an additional look at her posts to see what I could find that was relevant to what Wilgy had said to me on Day 1. That is all. It's not a crucial point and I never intended it to be so.
Fine, but I don't care about your S~V~S-llama interactions either. They're all circumstantial. There is no substance to them. If I need to go through breaking them down, I will, but I would rather not.

I would like to hear any thoughts you have on SVS. You don't have to acknowledge any of the things I've said about her, I just want your own independent thoughts on her.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:42 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:38 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:37 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:35 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:33 pm Phase 2 in Sherlock Mafia was "There are no more teams it is LMS now"

FWIW
I would like a little more effort from you.
I mean I caught Llama like days before anyone else so.
Was he the only bad guy?
I would assume not.
Cool, then let's find the others. Why are you voting for me?
Because I feel pretty sure most of the other options are civs and it's a double lynch so I'm trying to maximize the chances of nailing a mafia

That doesn't answer the question. Why me? Your vote being on me suggests that I am the best option to you. Why? Who are these multitudinous civs?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:35 pm
How do you know what Wilgy was or was not thinking? There was nothing in the PM he sent me which contradicts any of this. Also, it's not even Wilgy's thoughts that matter here. It's SVS's. I think she would have reacted that way as scum or as town.
Look, I'm not voting S~V~S based on what Wilgy told you privately days ago. You could have said something to incriminate S~V~S then if you wanted to, but you didn't. You've posted every Day as far as I can see, and Wilgy was lynched ages ago. You could have said something. Now it just looks like you're trying to jumble together a case based on a PM a dead man sent you that nobody else can know if he sent or not. It's all very wild and full of hearsay. No thank you.

huh? No. I'm hardly using that PM to justify my vote. Pay more attention to the post I made highlighting SVS and llama's interactions. That's what I'm actually basing my vote on. I brought the Wilgy PM up now because, like you said, we're getting toward the end of the game. I didn't want to bring it up earlier when I wasn't fully involved in the game because I wouldn't have been able to follow up in any way, and I wasn't sure what would have been going on around me at the time. I'd honestly forgotten the contents of the message anyway. I had to check it after I had made my first couple posts about SVS. At that point I took an additional look at her posts to see what I could find that was relevant to what Wilgy had said to me on Day 1. That is all. It's not a crucial point and I never intended it to be so.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:38 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:37 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:35 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:33 pm Phase 2 in Sherlock Mafia was "There are no more teams it is LMS now"

FWIW
I would like a little more effort from you.
I mean I caught Llama like days before anyone else so.
Was he the only bad guy?
I would assume not.

Cool, then let's find the others. Why are you voting for me?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:37 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:35 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:33 pm Phase 2 in Sherlock Mafia was "There are no more teams it is LMS now"

FWIW
I would like a little more effort from you.
I mean I caught Llama like days before anyone else so.

Was he the only bad guy?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:31 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:19 pm I was "treading carefully" because I scum player voting to protect another play on Day/Night 1 is a steaming pile of WIFOM. I gave it a "for now" because I'm in the beginning stages of my formulation of reads. I'm not jumping to a conclusion about Quin/Llama because literally all I've read of their interactions is llama's vote to protect Dyslexicon. What treasure troves of information should I pretend to have gathered from that?
I currently have zero information on their interactions. I hope to find new information by reading things that have already been said, if I feel like that's a thing I should do. Do you think that's a thing I should do?

I know this is nearly-end-game for you, but my thought processes are still in Day 1 mode. You seem to be treating me as if my reads should be as developed as yours.
It's Day 4. Your opinions should not be in Day 1 mode. If you had a problem keeping up (and I genuinely am sorry for your illness), you should have sought a replacement.

DyslexiQuin right now is my top suspect, and you gave him a pass because thellama73 voted to protect him because of "WIFOM City," as you put it. Isn't that what that is supposed to do? Why not look at Dyslexicon and Quin on your own and make a decision?

I did not give him a pass. I was putting the information in my back pocket. There's nothing I can do with it without a more complete picture. I intend to look at Quin/dyslexicon. I also intend to pick your brain about things.
You may be right that I should have sought a replacement. But I wanted to play and wasn't expecting to be out so long. I'm playing now.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:32 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:26 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:40 pm Wilgy sent me a PM shortly before he was lynched, telling me about all the hijinks he'd been up behind the scenes. He told me to pay attention to how SVS reacted to his flip. This is all I could find at a quick glance:
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:56 pm OK, what he told me was that he was an Indy with no win condition. He asked if I was bad, and told me that if the baddies targeted him, he would join the baddie team. And if I was a baddie, to NK him so he could become a baddie.

Now he appears to have been lynched without an affiliation, so I am going to assume he was being truthful about that and he actually thought I was bad.
It does seem a bit passive and I don't see why this information had to be kept secret until after his death. I had moments of slight doubt about the sincerity of SVS's suspicion against Wilgy but I was distracted and neglected to mention it in the thread (sorry), but it's something I wish I would have followed up on. I'm bringing up here just to frame my vote for SVS.
Your assessment of this doesn't pass muster either.

If S~V~S is bad, then she would have either kept quiet about this or tried to kill Wilgy in accordance to his wishes.
How so? If SVS is bad and holds onto this message, then Wilgy can publicly call her out for withholding critical information. I said on Day 1 that I would expect any player, regardless of alignment, to have reacted the way SVS did.
But Wilgy didn't.

According to you, he sent your a private message.

How do you know what Wilgy was or was not thinking? There was nothing in the PM he sent me which contradicts any of this. Also, it's not even Wilgy's thoughts that matter here. It's SVS's. I think she would have reacted that way as scum or as town.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:40 pm Wilgy sent me a PM shortly before he was lynched, telling me about all the hijinks he'd been up behind the scenes. He told me to pay attention to how SVS reacted to his flip. This is all I could find at a quick glance:
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:56 pm OK, what he told me was that he was an Indy with no win condition. He asked if I was bad, and told me that if the baddies targeted him, he would join the baddie team. And if I was a baddie, to NK him so he could become a baddie.

Now he appears to have been lynched without an affiliation, so I am going to assume he was being truthful about that and he actually thought I was bad.
It does seem a bit passive and I don't see why this information had to be kept secret until after his death. I had moments of slight doubt about the sincerity of SVS's suspicion against Wilgy but I was distracted and neglected to mention it in the thread (sorry), but it's something I wish I would have followed up on. I'm bringing up here just to frame my vote for SVS.
Your assessment of this doesn't pass muster either.

If S~V~S is bad, then she would have either kept quiet about this or tried to kill Wilgy in accordance to his wishes.

How so? If SVS is bad and holds onto this message, then Wilgy can publicly call her out for withholding critical information. I said on Day 1 that I would expect any player, regardless of alignment, to have reacted the way SVS did.

oh this a double lynch day. okay.

Also there was no hail mary being thrown there. Just a series of shrugs.

I was "treading carefully" because I scum player voting to protect another play on Day/Night 1 is a steaming pile of WIFOM. I gave it a "for now" because I'm in the beginning stages of my formulation of reads. I'm not jumping to a conclusion about Quin/Llama because literally all I've read of their interactions is llama's vote to protect Dyslexicon. What treasure troves of information should I pretend to have gathered from that?
I currently have zero information on their interactions. I hope to find new information by reading things that have already been said, if I feel like that's a thing I should do. Do you think that's a thing I should do?

I know this is nearly-end-game for you, but my thought processes are still in Day 1 mode. You seem to be treating me as if my reads should be as developed as yours.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:58 pm Nice case. Feeling worse about SVS and better about you. I'd be happy if SVS and Quin were the top two lynchees (mmm lychee lol) and not you.

Is there any non-POE reason we should vote for Quin?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:01 pm That's notnto say I won't read anything. I just want to know what's on people's minds right now and where I can find the relevant posts. If there's anything people want me to look at for one reason or other, please point me in the right direction and i'll have things to say later.
I don't recall you being the kind of person to not, you know, look for stuff when you needed stuff.

There's fewer than 30 pages in this game, and you've been here for all of them. I don't see why you wouldn't just buckle down and read. It takes less time than asking nutella a question and waiting on her to answer.

Have you ever known me to not ask questions?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:44 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:41 pm Now that I can see the poll, why do I have two votes?
On my screen, I can see two speedchuck options for voting. Similar? I don't see two slooneis

Trippy. Have I done something to earn your vote?
linki: oh. What do you think of SVS?

Now that I can see the poll, why do I have two votes?

Wilgy sent me a PM shortly before he was lynched, telling me about all the hijinks he'd been up behind the scenes. He told me to pay attention to how SVS reacted to his flip. This is all I could find at a quick glance:

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:56 pm OK, what he told me was that he was an Indy with no win condition. He asked if I was bad, and told me that if the baddies targeted him, he would join the baddie team. And if I was a baddie, to NK him so he could become a baddie.

Now he appears to have been lynched without an affiliation, so I am going to assume he was being truthful about that and he actually thought I was bad.

It does seem a bit passive and I don't see why this information had to be kept secret until after his death. I had moments of slight doubt about the sincerity of SVS's suspicion against Wilgy but I was distracted and neglected to mention it in the thread (sorry), but it's something I wish I would have followed up on. I'm bringing up here just to frame my vote for SVS.

The bear and the llama:

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:36 pm Rico have you reached out to anyone?

I myself have not, and only one person has reached out to me.

Out of the Dizzy voters, Epis vote looks better to me than Timmers, so I am temp voting Timmer. Might stay there might not.

And lulz at Rico and Llama being traditional and voting for each other.

Already noted this post before, just quoting it here for the sake of being thorough. I remember prodding her about the timmer vote on Day 1.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:29 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:53 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:58 am Also, I am a lady.
Not an eldritch horror?

*Bites Sprityo's ear, an earfilled muffled voice can be heard*

Shhh... shhh... it'll all be ok soon...

I'm voting for Llama... he's not hunting... when does llama give up the cance to be right... mmm... delicious ear.... when does llama give up the chance to be right on day 1?
I have been known to be an eldritch horror on occasion, but I have gotten over it for the most part since my tentacle-ectomy.

Unless he sets off my meter (and I read him fairly well, IMO) I am going to give Llama the BOTD since I know he has been traveling for work alot recently. Also BOTD to Daisy for not posting at all. While it would be better if she were here, at least she in not posting in Madonna lyrics or pretending to be an alien or whatever.

I will reread Sprit before the eod, though. So far still good with my Timmer vote.

Also stop eating the ear, no one ate the ear in the film.

Responds to a Wilgy vote/innocuous comment with a somewhat unprompted "benefit of the doubt" defense of Llama. Noted.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:40 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 2:33 pm How intriguing! When I moved my vote to Llama, I considered placing it on DrWilgy because he seemed to be blendy but I didn't because it would just add to the vote spread and be his first vote. Voting for Llama held potential for adding to the lynch drama by putting someone in the lead.

If baddies are just going to sit back and let the civvies do all the hard work of building cases against other civvies, then I may as well start looking at the blendy folk. Wilgy fits that description for me thus far.
OK, Wilgy sent me a PM. He asked if I was bad. And told me that if I was and had my bad teammates do a specific thing, something that was good for the bad team (and for Wilgy) would happen.

I am not sure I want to go into any more detail than that. I would like to hear Wilgys explanation. In the thread. He can be cryptic if he likes, I will understand him.

Plus there is also the whole possible "he wants to be lynched" thing to consider. But I think he would not have picked me for that, I think he really thought I was bad. He usually does.

She does not directly mention llama here, but Ctrl+F'iing llama highlighted this post thanks to G-man's original comment. I think this adds a bit of an interesting dimension to the push against Wilgy on Day 1 which, as I recall, was started and at least partially started by SVS (with this post serving as part of the foundation). Apparently, at this time (according to G-man) llama was beginning to take the lead in the poll. Coupling this with SVS's repeated soft defense of llama in the earliest stages of the game, and we've got a genuine eyebrow-raising suspicion here. There's also that last sentence (in bold), which just confuses me. Why would SVS have been a bad choice for deathwish Wilgy?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:46 pm Sorry everyone, I got stuck in Connecticut without a laptop, and I refuse to Mafia on phone.

I won't pretend to be totally caught up, but I am caught up enough to get the gist of the case on Llama and it makes sense. So I *voted for Llama* and will get caught back up tonight.

Votes for llama on Day 3. I'll have to take a look at how the votes were shaping up that day, but even I knew that llama was toast on Day 3. Also it's impossible to ignore the very damning connection of blaming inactivity on New England states. Llama's busy in New Hampshire, and Connecticut stole SVS's laptop.
SVS, Quin, and I are the three suspects on nutella's POE list. These posts I've just looked at in isolation don't exactly paint her as a squeaky clean townie. There seems to have been an initial compulsion to move pressure away from llama, but she eventually contributed a vote to llama's inevitable lynch without much resistance or reasoning of her own (not blaming SVS for this, just observing). I think there's a substantial case to be made out of this. Cool.

Did someone tell me I should do some interactive llama reads? Because I'm on it.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:58 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:36 pm And lulz at Rico and Llama being traditional and voting for each other.
Tradition is the backbone of civilization.

SVS is amused an llama's and rico's antics in tandem, but I faintly recall her being opposed to Rico's antics in isolation. Noted. llama responds to her with a friendly quip. Also noted.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2017 9:47 pm I voted to protect Dylexicon, because I like Dyslexiscon.

I think Dyslexicon is Quin now, right? This sort of vote/post is WIFOM city so I'll tread carefully. For now.

thellama73 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:55 pm I'm voting for Epignosis due to his obvious attempt to set me up and lead a wagon on people who have very limited internet access.

I can't wait to know what the hell he's talking about here. This looks like an early Day 3 vote. On the surface it looks like a strict OMGUS, but it could be a mutual bus job. WE WILL SEE!

There's not much here yet. Llama's in New Hampshire, which is cool. I like that place, I'll be there for a while next month. The little interaction with SVS is the most interesting thing I pulled out of this, I'll carry that momentum into an interactive read between her and llama next.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:02 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:59 pm I'm hot to trot, down to clown. Lets goooooooooo
Where are we going?
Phase Two

But we're still in Phase 1

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:59 pm I'm hot to trot, down to clown. Lets goooooooooo

Where are we going?

That's notnto say I won't read anything. I just want to know what's on people's minds right now and where I can find the relevant posts. If there's anything people want me to look at for one reason or other, please point me in the right direction and i'll have things to say later.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:47 pm Why not? I've witnessed you devour threads and form your own opinions even after subbing in, have I not? Here, you are an original participant.

I just battled a weeklong fever while still working 5 days out of that week (probably why it lasted a week). Today is my first healthy day off in nearly 2 weeks, so I've wanted to spend it outside, and I have no intentions of sitting down to read everything I've missed here; that doesn't work for me. My preferred strategy is to catch up by simply jumping into the present moment. This means bugging people to help fill in, which I know can lead to moments of frustration for you all, so I appreciate whatever help I can get.
Someone has explained the nutella/epi situation to me in private (which I forgot was an option this game), so I'm a little more familiar with things now. I am still unclear on how nutella sees Epi in general this game, and I'm not sure what to make of her overlooking him as a POE suspect at a time when she seemed to have a direct reason to suspect him in the thread. So far a lot of the answers she's given me have seemed to be less substantial than I am accustomed to from her, and that also gives me pause.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:10 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:54 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:49 pm Well, I find it pretty silly to answer a question whose answer is literally in a post that you quoted and on a topic on which I have promised to refrain from commenting.
Why are you refraining from commenting? Do you think this would jeopardize a helpful strategy, or is it just a topic you feel had already been thoroughly covered?
I'm also unsure what you mean when you say the answer to my question is in a post I've already quoted. What post? Sorry for being dense but I've read nothing and I wouldn't know what I was looking for if I went back to read now without any help.
What do you mean you've read nothing?

i've read relatively little. Pages here and there while i've been around, but i'm nor familiar with half the stuff in the thread.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:49 pm Well, I find it pretty silly to answer a question whose answer is literally in a post that you quoted and on a topic on which I have promised to refrain from commenting.

Why are you refraining from commenting? Do you think this would jeopardize a helpful strategy, or is it just a topic you feel had already been thoroughly covered?
I'm also unsure what you mean when you say the answer to my question is in a post I've already quoted. What post? Sorry for being dense but I've read nothing and I wouldn't know what I was looking for if I went back to read now without any help.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:18 pm Sloonei you clearly haven't read the thread lol it's right there in the open

Yes, I'm pretty open about not reading the thread. I prefer to work my way in by engaging people directly and asking my own questions. Otherwise the game is akin to looking for a needle in a haystack for me.

It does not help that I do not know what this alleged lie is and I don't know where to go to find out about it. I haven't looked.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:07 pm Careless civilian.

Why?

What do other people think of nutella?

I made a typo, pretend the first sentence of that post makes sense.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 2:55 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:50 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:56 am Epignosis is lying. Maybe he's been lying the whole time (*cough* like when he told me his role); that would be a pretty impressive ploy. A... a long con, if you will. Then again, maybe he really is civ and is lying about killing llama for some other inexplicable reason. Who knows.
I didn't even register this part of the post earlier.
If Epi is lying about something, why is he not on your POE list?
Well, he just explained it, lol. I won't say anything else on the matter.

Why not? It appeared, for at least a moment, to believe that Epi was lying about something (I'm not clear on what), but you failed to acknowledge him as a POE suspect. I'm trying to get a feel for the game here, so help me out. What was he lying about, and why wasn't this lie enough reason to suspect him?

About the POE list, I feel like for each player I have already at some point given a reason I believe them to be civ, so look at my iso for those. Might be missing one or two in there, but if you really want to ask my opinions on specific players you're welcome to do so. But I don't need to freely give out my reasons for everything, and I've already stated most of them anyway.

What do you think of SVS and speedchuck?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 12:56 am Epignosis is lying. Maybe he's been lying the whole time (*cough* like when he told me his role); that would be a pretty impressive ploy. A... a long con, if you will. Then again, maybe he really is civ and is lying about killing llama for some other inexplicable reason. Who knows.

I didn't even register this part of the post earlier.
If Epi is lying about something, why is he not on your POE list?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:29 am POE is pretty self-explanatory, yeah? Each of the other players I think is more likely civ than not, and you guys are left. What more elaboration do you need? That's... that's just what POE is.

Surely you have reasons to feel the way you do about all the players in the game.

The one firm read I had on Day 1 was a town read on Long Con for his initial slip in thinking that this was a LMS game. I have a harder time believing that a player looks at a scum rolecard, which would presumably list all of their teammates, and conclude that they are in a game in which everyone's goal is to outlast everyone else.

I have seen nothing from Epi that would be impossible for scum Epi to do. But I've only seen about 30% of this game and I haven't had a chance to sit down and chat with the man himself.

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