The Syndicate

Scotty wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Typhoony wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Scotty wrote: You call it tunnelly, I call it my normal day 1. Every game. Look at the D1's any of the other 10 games I've played on this site. I do tunnel, admittedly, but this is not an example of that.

Next time maybe I'll just vote in alphabetical order or something, because apparently that is a safe way to vote that won't induce criticism.

As scary as it sounds, this has proven to be somewhat correct.

Everybody should vote in alphabetical order.
Kills must also be done in alphabetical order.
I have hereby decided this.

I'd object, but I'm 7th alphabetically so I suppose I still get a decent run anyway.

Are you saying that your win con is not in jeapordy if you don't survive by the end of be game?

I'm saying I haven't won a game of mafia in so long I no longer care either way. Like the idea of winning doesn't even cross my mind any more until I get close to it.

Typhoony wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Scotty wrote: You call it tunnelly, I call it my normal day 1. Every game. Look at the D1's any of the other 10 games I've played on this site. I do tunnel, admittedly, but this is not an example of that.

Next time maybe I'll just vote in alphabetical order or something, because apparently that is a safe way to vote that won't induce criticism.

As scary as it sounds, this has proven to be somewhat correct.

Everybody should vote in alphabetical order.
Kills must also be done in alphabetical order.
I have hereby decided this.

I'd object, but I'm 7th alphabetically so I suppose I still get a decent run anyway.

DrWilgy wrote:
Regarding not talking about being here, why would I do that if I thought I would be here? I don't plan on not being here.

This is fair, but if you don't expect not to be here then surely you can't be surprised that people think it's strange when you're not around? If that even makes sense?

Can't decide if I want hopsital or Blackgate more. Going to flip a coin between the two and where it ends up is where I'll be.

S~V~S wrote:Meanwhile 8 people besides me missed the vote, but whether I voted for someone I suspected or someone everyone else suspected but I did not is the biggest issue.

Fuck this.

To be fair those 8 people weren't present in the thread at the time and didn't announce that they knew they still needed to vote with several minutes to spare. It's still bad they missed it, but I'll bet their excuses are better than yours.

Enrique wrote:Would anyone be willing to follow Matt's formula here? Three players per location to keep the others in check? I spoke against it before but the numbers actually kinda work out.

I'll keep the idea in mind when I place my vote but can't promise to follow it.

DrWilgy wrote:Guys. Why the hell do you always try to D1 lynch me only when I'm not here. It's like Home Alone Mafia all over again. I guess I'm lucky I survived.

I have 1000 posts to catch up on. I'll hopefully get it done by D2.

Maybe if you know you're not going to be around you should say so? I haven't seen anything about not being able to get online from you, so your absence became notable. Especially with it pointed out you're more likely to be quiet early on as a baddie.

DrWilgy wrote: 1st of all, why use Meta on the player that goes out of his way to negate Meta?

Saying you don't have a Meta (or that you deliberately try not to, same thing really IMO) doesn't exempt you from being looked at in relation to your behaviour in past games.

bea wrote: Doesn't Epi hate ties? I can't rememer off the top of my hed what his meta is for ties as a host though. I think him saying something about it being a stop not a tie should be considered.

From my experience in Epi games, either a tie = no lynch (usually if there's only one mafia) or he has a role mechanic in place to deal with them. Similarly, in A World Reborn my role decided ties. So we've got two hosts who like that sort of thing, and confirmation that ties don't prevent lynches. I guess we'll find out at some point if they do have anything in place to deal with the tied lynch.

Enrique wrote:

Enrique wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

THERE'S A TIE?

Ooooooooooooo. It always brings a smile to my face.

I think this guy did. I like to think Robin is less of a dick.

You could read mine as well, Mac. I don't necessarily agree and that's okay. I'd think Epi posting a huge pic of the Joker saying oooh I love ties! means something, but who knows. Let's just not tie it up again.

btw i kinda accidentally made a great joke in that post. dh dh are you listening?

Not DH but I caught it. Do I win a prize?

DrWilgy wrote:Based soley on result of yesterdays lynch, I wouldn't try to lynch Scotty again btw. (Still 900 posts behind. Still think TH is a badewd.)

I suppose a "thoughts at this point rainbow" may be needed before EoN. I may not be here.
Scotty
Zebra
Mac
Everyone else
Dom
Bea
TH

Do you think TH is bad because he pushed for your lynch, or because of the vague eyeball you gave him ages ago and never elaborated on?

I'm going to fall asleep at my laptop if I don't vote soon. Since its been pointed out that both Floyd and Bubbles generally just don't participate much regardless of alignment I'm going to *Vote Wilgy* because his lack of participation is less expected than theirs. His few posts also generally give off a deliberately blendy vibe where he looks like he's trying to involve himself without actually saying anything - making jokes, posting minor accusations and never following up. Not a great look.

As for Wilgy, looking at his posts I think I do see what TH is saying. One of his eight posts essentially amounts to an EBWOP, and a further two/three aren't serious contributions. He at one point expresses a flimsy suspicion of TH and Bea, promises to elaborate, never does. That's basically all there is to him this game.

Golden wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I think Floyd just enjoys barely playing.

Floyd plays late when he gets there. I know some people aren't a fan of that but as an impartial observer of Tree Mafia I thought that Floyd turned an early start into a really good performance.

I play late too. I can take ages to get into a game and my engines aren't usually revving at maximum until the herd has been thinned a little. I've still made more than two posts despite missing literally half the gameplay so far.

Matt wrote: Lol. I never knew that about your role in that game.

No? While I had the time to play it, that role made Talking Heads a highlight of a generally terrible mafia year for me. Loved it.

Turnip Head wrote:I think it's weird that you guys are focusing on the players who are known to never post yet no one's talking about how Wilgy has 8 posts with almost no content.

This is a fair point really. What do you think Wilgy's lack of content says about him?

juliets wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Scotty wrote:So now some of you are actively looking at low posters, huh? Interesting.

Is the reason none of you are willing to vote lovedelic because he's new to the site?

I am tempted but only because he hasn't posted once or logged on in ages and if that goes on there's no point him being around. If he posted even once I'd be unwilling to vote him straight away though. I'm also considering Floyd and Bubbles because honestly they've contributed as much to the game as Lovedelic has and both consistently get away with low participation for long periods of time in my experience. For Floyd in particular I actually associate tend quietness and badness based on my experience with him in TH.

I was just about to ask about Floyd and whether anyone had any reads from past experience of him being quiet. What game is TH? All my silly brain will think of is Turnip Head. Anyway, I'd like to take a look at Floyds posts in that game.

Talking Heads - he was bad on my team and we had to consistently push him to post even if it was just spam because my role was designed to punish low posters and prevented my allies from winning with our team if their post counts were too low for too long. I think MP was feeling particularly vindictive when he designed it.

Scotty wrote:So now some of you are actively looking at low posters, huh? Interesting.

Is the reason none of you are willing to vote lovedelic because he's new to the site?

I am tempted but only because he hasn't posted once or logged on in ages and if that goes on there's no point him being around. If he posted even once I'd be unwilling to vote him straight away though. I'm also considering Floyd and Bubbles because honestly they've contributed as much to the game as Lovedelic has and both consistently get away with low participation for long periods of time in my experience. For Floyd in particular I actually associate tend quietness and badness based on my experience with him in TH.

Glorfindel wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:

S~V~S wrote:And guys, is that really how you all see me? As an appeaser?

Not my initial impression.

Thank You! I like you already

End of Day is shown in the poll. It is 8:30 PM eastern. You are in Europe, I believe? Western Europe is a 6 hour shift, so 2:30 AM your time I believe. Do you have theboard set to your time zone?

If I may? I seem to have a problem with my time zone. I have it set to AEST in the Board Preferences (which is correct) but the timing on the posts on the thread appear to be on AEDT

You probably need to change your daylight saving time settings.

I beg your pardon?

When the clocks go back/forward?

Glorfindel wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:

S~V~S wrote:And guys, is that really how you all see me? As an appeaser?

Not my initial impression.

Thank You! I like you already

End of Day is shown in the poll. It is 8:30 PM eastern. You are in Europe, I believe? Western Europe is a 6 hour shift, so 2:30 AM your time I believe. Do you have theboard set to your time zone?

If I may? I seem to have a problem with my time zone. I have it set to AEST in the Board Preferences (which is correct) but the timing on the posts on the thread appear to be on AEDT

You probably need to change your daylight saving time settings.

Nerolunar wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Nerolunar wrote: I wish Bullzeye, Bubbles and Floyd would post more. Im interested in hearing some thoughts from them.

I don't know if I like being lumped in with those two. I may be a low poster but I now have seven times as many posts as either of them do and did say before the game began that I'd be missing the first few days. I didn't actually expect to be home until today, but work stuff came up so I came back early. I've made an effort to get myself involved and find some investment since I got back whereas Bubbles and Floyd seem not to have made an effort at all.

I might have glanced over you then. Sorry about that.

It's fine, everyone else does too :P

I have no problem being called out for being a low poster I just specifically didn't like being compared with those two.

Nerolunar wrote: I wish Bullzeye, Bubbles and Floyd would post more. Im interested in hearing some thoughts from them.

I don't know if I like being lumped in with those two. I may be a low poster but I now have seven times as many posts as either of them do and did say before the game began that I'd be missing the first few days. I didn't actually expect to be home until today, but work stuff came up so I came back early. I've made an effort to get myself involved and find some investment since I got back whereas Bubbles and Floyd seem not to have made an effort at all.

sprityo wrote:
Is Matt typically a low post person? I feel like with the way he engaged with zebra that he might have had more to say, or at least something else to contribute. Maybe he just didn't want the spotlight?

There isn't a spotlight on Earth that Matt wouldn't want pointed at him.

Enrique wrote:but why are you playing along now

linki: i would've appreciated a rebbutal

btw im in the waiting room now about to have an interview. pray 4 me

Knock 'em dead. I mean, not literally because that won't reflect well on you as a candidate. Unless it's for an assassin job in which case I assume it'll be a requirement. Good luck either way

sig wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Enrique wrote:Zebra, your team in of Montreal got away with making up a role and getting Made lynched because nobody who was paying attention was left. Inactive players are a huuge disadvantage, and there's no guarantee they're not bad either.

I'm not saying this isn't the case, all I'm saying is that aiming for their lynch unless there's simply no other option is something I can't agree with and can't get behind it.

I haven't paid a lot of attention to sig but I don't like the way he talks about me vs Golden. Then again I feel this way about sig in almost every game... at the beginning he's sensible and I agree more with him than most, then we completely lose track of each other.

sig pinged me pretty hard very recently when he advocated encouraging map discussion from the civs, when the host himself has said that it is essentially discouraged for everyone in general.

The second and imo more important part is Zebra. She is one of the few people who visited a place on her own and is trying to shut down us discussing any messages we received. This is very pingy. The mafia will already be sharing any information they got and they would most likely have picked different locations. The fact she doesn't want to discus this at all is troublesome to me. The host did say it was discouraged true, but we are still allowed to do it.

I'd like some other opinions on this. Should we or should we not share information about map locations?

According to the polls thread, Zebra isn't the only person who went to the docks. Typh did too. I agree with you that the mafia will be discussing the info anyway and think it's probably in the civ's interests to have some discussion but if the hosts are discouraging it then maybe the subject should be dropped or at least approached with care. Based on the 'info' I got, I don't know if it'll do us much good anyway at this stage of the game.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I am 100% certain I won't vote for a low poster today.

I dunno, if everyone but Zebra made a huge effort we could probably swing it so you've voted for the lowest poster.

I'm at least 85% sure I won't vote for a low poster today (at least not because they're a low poster) but getting into a discussion about it is helping me to get invested in a game I started late, which is basically why I mentioned my view on it. If I don't find something in what has already been said to justify a vote, I'm sure I'll find something in what is yet to be mentioned.

a2thezebra wrote: I agree that it's better than randomizing but I would prefer to avoid both of those pitfalls.

It's not always possible. Note that I'm not defending the strategy here so much as in general because I think it's a valid strategy for day 1, especially in games that have had little actually happen in them (ie the opposite of this game).

a2thezebra wrote: I have never self-voted, never randomized, and though I have gone after low posters before it has never ended well. I do think you have to rely on tiny things in Day 1 to have the best chance at a successful lynch and if not a successful lynch, then at least one where you can analyze who was driving for that mislynch in the most disingenuous way the day before, and then go after them. There's just more to work with. Also, it doesn't have to be contrived. Are you saying no one has pinged you yet even slightly after all of these posts and if you were to say that someone did, your opinion would be contrived?

There's still maybe 5 pages of day 0 I haven't read in depth because it seems like too much effort. Ultimately, like many day zeroes before it, I think the mass of discussion will have little bearing on the overall direction of the game and probably not be indicative of anyone's alignment. I have not yet decided who I'll be voting for today and there's no one so far that has caught my eye particularly strongly. I don't think it would be contrived for me, you, or anyone else to have a solid ping on someone today though, but was just referring to the fact that day 1 lynches can and do happen for absolutely terrible reasons. I was once lynched for being the first person to put a second vote on someone. That's probably the most contrived reason I can think of. All I'm trying to say is that I think lynching a person for being a low poster on day one is a solid argument. Currently I doubt I'll do it because I think it'd be hypocritical in this game but who knows.

Also I do intend to go back to those few pages and push through, it's just daunting to see so much when you were expecting a standard lighthearted day 0 catchup.

On that note, what I find interesting is that there are 7 players with fewer posts than me despite the fact I missed the first 30-40 hours of the game.

Gonna acknowledge the linki and point out I'm referring to my own previous post which is now not the most recent one in the thread.

a2thezebra wrote:

sig wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Let me make it clear right now that I refuse to support the lynch of a low poster.

Why?

Because in my experience that has never benefited the civ cause. Not once.

Better than randomizing. At least it's a reason, and IMO it's better to lynch someone who isn't getting involved than it is to pretend some contrived tiny thing you found is a legit excuse for a lynch. Day 1 can be hard. Also yes I'm aware I say this as one of the lowest posters in the game since I missed nearly all of day 0 but tbf I did say I'd be doing that beforehand.

Typhoony wrote:Are we sure it's a good idea to talk about this stuff? One of the rules specifically mentions that it is not in your best interest to talk about the map

Well Epi said:

Epignosis wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Hosts: Are we permitted to discuss the results of our poll choices?

Permitted? Knock yourself out.

Which isn't a no... It's out there now anyway and if Epi isn't okay with it then I'll say no more on the topic.

And upon investigating, I've also just realised Killer Croc isn't in this game either. I had thought perhaps it meant the place where the player who is Killer Croc had chosen to go. Since it can't be that, perhaps he's tied to an actual game location? If I were a big lumbering beast like him, I'd be hiding in the sewers or somewhere with open water - maybe the docks? Anyone who went there confirm whether or not they saw a giant, creepy, angry dude with scales?

Scotty wrote:

sprityo wrote:A good detective shouldn't ignore even the smallest of clues

Thanks for answering my question posed to you with a riddle or something.

So if you received the same message, what do you make of it, o Sherlock Holmes?

While we're in the business of solving riddles, Team Wayne Manor were told that the place with (or worth? I dunno, sometimes it's hard to understand American) 31,000 dollars is connected to one more murder than where Killer Croc is hiding. We also weren't allowed in, so no raiding Bruce's booze cabinet for me.

I've read just about all I've had time for today and still I'm only just about halfway through the thread! I've had a busy day of travelling on next to no sleep so I'm gonna cast my vote now and then go pass out for the night. Voting for *Wayne Manor* because I bet Bruce has a sweet booze stash somewhere in there. Perhaps he'll share.

Hey everyone, I've just got home and back to my laptop! Have a few errands to run and will hopefully catch up soon enough.