The Syndicate

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Chaindeath did! He ment to when he posted his last post. balgh repeated words He still feels that Nero is the one to lynch, also he will try to be on when the EoD comes around, if there arnt 10+ pages to catch up on he should be able to be active. He's driving for the next two hours so he'd only have ~45 mins to catch up. See ya'll then.

At this point nero is the only person that chaindeath has created a read on that is backed up by something. It's not very much, but it was enough for me to feel good about chaindeath because we had a common enemy. Now it just feels like a weak argument.

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Chaindeath would like to thank those who have created rainbow lists and he hopes you all will keep them updated. He feels that ones opinion on others will greatly help his opinion on you. That being said however, He would like to address those who have said they don't trust him or feel suspicious of him:

Why do you feel that way? What makes him seem like a baddie? How can he help show you that he is indeed a civi going for a civi win con?

He hopes it is not merely his post count. Yesterday (in game) he felt like he made a good amount of high content posts (quality over quantity with 300+ posts per day on average, or thereabouts). He even presented his first case in a mafia game with quotes and everything. Its frustrating to see people say He's a low poster when he truly is trying his best to contribute in meaningful ways.

He would like to conclude with his suspicions and his feelings on the game state at this point in time. TH and Scotty is sending some major baddie vibes. Nero still makes me uncomfortable and chaindeath would like to draw attention to him. Llama If he were to make a list you would likely be in the yellow-orange category and Zebra fall in there too.

Sig and quin.... He feels torn with you two. He would like to say you're both town but could not do so with a clear conscience. He is going to say you're town leaning baddie. Hopefuly he will be able to say otherwise by the end of this day phase.

I think he's starting to 'play' now. He's asking questions which I like. Not so much what he's asking, but the fact that he's asking them. TH, zebra, sig, llama and I become a suspicion for chaindeath but he's not saying anything to elaborate. That's a lot of people to suddenly suspect at once. chaindeath is probably the least credible person at this point in time.

Chaindeath doesn't know how he wants to vote... He needs to do it for the day but all of the people with votes on them feel like they could be town. He's going to stick with his guns and vote Nero because he is sure that he's bad.

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He was also questioned about who will be bad if Sig flips bad, he doesn't know. There are too many options for one person's death to tell for sure on any of them. Long post short of Sig flips bad he's bad if he flips good we as a whole messed up and need to do some looming at those who pushed the vote. It doesn't make them bad but more suspect he supposes.

He's responding to a question I asked him about the followup to a sig lynch. He avoids the question. I do not like this.

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Nerolunar wrote:
There is a scumrole in the setup that can pose as another role when lynched.

Actually while we are on this topic, I mostly threw shade at Chaindeath at the time. My goal was not to defend LC, but I did notice Chaindeaths behavior. That was my first ping of him - he decided to vote for LC when the only thing LC had posted was his disagreement to the plan that everyone should be voted for, to trigger the traitors. Very weak reasoning from Chaindeath that he didn´t follow up on rubbed me the wrong way and still does.

Why do you hang onto this vote for LC? Chaindeath has said it before but he supposes it bares repeating: Day 1 was buisy for him. He was highly distracted and unable to do much speculation, which is most of what you can do day one. The story hasn't changed and he supposes you are not willing to accept it. He wonders if you would have as much suspicion for him if he had said he used and RNG for the vote.

For some reason, Nero is the only person chaindeath is interested in pursuing as a valid suspect. What happened to Silver, DDL, sig, me, llama, turnip, black rock, zebra? I honestly don't think he's telling the truth about who he does and doesn't suspect. He's never given anything concrete on anybody else. He's essentially just tunneling on Nerolunar.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Quin wrote:Epignosis made a bold claim that he had good reason not to vote Wilgy back in day 2 or 3. That infers BTSC. Immediately after this post Wilgy came after Epi with claws out. I took it initially as scummy, but went back on that after a while. I think it is time to bring that out of the mud again.
I'm not quite sure what you're implying here. If they had civilian BTSC then why would Wilgy have come after him with claws out? I might just be misunderstanding.

I'll find them, but I want to finish the ISO first. I'm saying that I think Epi slipped and tried to claim he had BTSC with Wilgy. Wilgy, being the crew would know who is on his team and Epi was not one of them. That's the summary of my argument, I think. I'll go more in depth.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
indiglo wrote:How about the list?
I don't think anyone on this roster of players had any reason to kill Silverwolf except Epignosis. I also don't think it was an attempt to frame him, because there can be no more difficult a framejob than one on the hornet's nest. Many of the doubts about what happened on Day 2 are resolved theoretically by a Fuzz-ika-Epignosis cop team dynamic, and his involvement also plays into the way he handled Silverwolf's suspicion of ika pre-lynch and suspicion that he was the seemer post-lynch.

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Epignosis wrote:I'm not talking just votes. I'm talking suspicion in general. This marks three days of "sig's bad" to "nah, not going to vote sig today." If sig is bad, I'm going to tear this thread apart looking for the people who kept their kid gloves on and why.

Time permitting.
Spoken like a man who knows sig's alignment already and is preemptively setting up fisticuffs after what he thought would be a looming lynch.

He's on Boomslang's team because he held his vote on unlynchables (sig and chain) throughout Day 6 and only moved to Boomslang after the ika wagon had swelled to its apex.

Epignosis made a bold claim that he had good reason not to vote Wilgy back in day 2 or 3. That infers BTSC. Immediately after this post Wilgy came after Epi with claws out. I took it initially as scummy, but went back on that after a while. I think it is time to bring that out of the mud again.

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Chaindeath has found that being up to date on the forum helps make responding easier, he will try to do it more consistently. Let the quote train roll!

Sloonei wrote:
chaindeath wrote:
Chaindeath is unsure of the board state at this point. He has a few civi reads on a few people and a few on who the baddies might be. Scum seems like a mean word to him and he prefers baddies. If he was forced to vote right now it would likely be for either DDL or maybe SW.

Luckily he made it though the night safely and can look at people more closely. He had exams this past week that made keeping up really quite stressful and he plans to be more up and active. Hopefully.

Sloonei has a hard time fathoming these two as your top suspects.

He is new to mafia, relatively speaking and hasn't played in years so he is having a hard time keeping track of all the weird things that people say/do to ping others that more seasoned players will say "this makes you scum because it shows this thing. Lets kill you."

Scotty wrote:
chaindeath wrote:
Chaindeath has been night killed before and it haunts him to this day. Kinda. He just lives knowing that he could die at any moment. #tragicbuttrue

I have been night killed before too, chaindeath, but what have you done this game that you think would warrant being night killed? #civlivesmatter

TBH chaindeath hadn't posted too much in the earlier days and sometimes people who don't post get NKed by those with the power to do so who are civ eg. hitmen and dons.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
chaindeath wrote:
Chaindeath has been night killed before and it haunts him to this day. Kinda. He just lives knowing that he could die at any moment. #tragicbuttrue

Chaindeath! I noticed chaindeath enjoys talking in the third person. Can I buy chaindeath a drink?

He would very much appreciate that! How about a gin and tonic? (Tanqueray or Hendricks because life's too short for cheap drinks(or another brand of comparable gin) )

Nerolunar wrote:
Im still reading Ika as bad. I understand that we are unfamilliar with his playstyle, but I just can´t get around how it looks. Recently he has only posted pictures without words, not really been providing thoughts or reads and previously he would say stuff like "Just lynch this already". It doesn´t look to me like he is really trying. What townstyle exhibits that?

I guess he is working and doesn´t have time to respond properly, but if he doesn´t do it soon I will be voting for him.

Nero, chaindeath thinks that the posting of pictures kinda makes Ika seem like a townie. There is still a secret roll and with one of the crew members dead from daisy's crew there are 5 other people who could have some other mission assigned by their don. It seems like a bad thing to base a baddie read on since there seems to still be some mystery around in the role pool.
by chaindeath
Sat Mar 12, 2016 4:49 am

Forum: Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts
Topic: [NIGHT 6] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts
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again, he responds to a post by sloonei saying he doesn't understand why Silver and Luffy were chaindeaths top 2 and refuses to elaborate. i'm definitely getting the impression he's just looking to jump on a bandwagon later on. he considers ika a townie based on how he was posting in pics throughout day 3, even though he was practically admitting that it was because of the loan shark. this, his reads, and also his earlier post about the seemer makes me feel like he's trying to give alternatives for the sake of not riding coattails.

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Nerolunar wrote:
chaindeath wrote:
Chaindeath just wanted to make sure that Nero was aware of it because He thinks the police don't have a role that would do something like that. Also he welcomes back Matt

Im a little pinged by you. You only show up to defend yourself, and I don´t see any desire to solve the game.

Who do you read as town/scum?

He wouldn't say he has no desire in solving the game, more so that he is unsure as he mentioned in his previous post. Currently he is reading Ika as town. Maybe sloonie, indiglo as town also. He is unsure but Sig and DDL still make him uncomfortable in the baddie sort of way. He would like to see zebra, Black Rock, serge, and llama post a bit more so he could get a read on the outliers.

we're on day 3 now and chaindeath has yet to establish a single read, scum or town that is backed up with anything but 'behaving oddly' or 'acting town'. i think we should be considering him as one of the inactives, in my opinion. the game would be no different if he weren't in it. he calls out black rock, serge and llama for being outliers.

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Nerolunar, chaindeath supposes he should thank you. He has looked back through some of the posts where he was mentioned and involved and has gotten some reads. Quite honestly he finds you quite suspect. You claim that he has only posted defensively however, he's tried to figure things out through postings to no avail. He finds it quite interesting that you restated things that he, although perhaps not as explicitly as he should have, days after the fact.

Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:49 pm
chaindeath wrote:
ika wrote:
yawn can we lynch this now?

This statement makes chaindeath uncomfortable.

Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:42 am
Nerolunar wrote:
Im still reading Ika as bad. I understand that we are unfamilliar with his playstyle, but I just can´t get around how it looks. Recently he has only posted pictures without words, not really been providing thoughts or reads and previously he would say stuff like "Just lynch this already". It doesn´t look to me like he is really trying. What townstyle exhibits that?

I guess he is working and doesn´t have time to respond properly, but if he doesn´t do it soon I will be voting for him.

Maybe it's a piggy back but to him it seems like a Pingy-back (He tried)

He would also like to state that his initial entry into the game was in a defensive stance since people had voted for chaindeath. Apparently to you, he thinks, not physically having the time to participate is a baddie thing to do. He was out of town with family and to that point he felt his early vote on LC was justified but he didn't want to dwell too long on it. He feels bad saying it but it was more like a "throwaway vote".

Chaindeath would like to conclude with light amount of pingy-ness coming from Scotty also, any interaction with him seems to have been not the friendliest.

the first conversation with someone i suspect here. he is accused of only defending himself, which is actually not true. chaindeath has only given his own reads and nero is the first person (according to his posts) that he has defended himself against here. but his defence is a NO U. he explains that his reason for being inactive is because he was out of town with family, not because he had exams. he also tries to diffuse any suspicion on him for his vote by claiming it was a throwaway. in other words, he wanted nothing to do with day 1.

linki: i might be reading too much into it, but i think i am aware of the reason behind 509's 180. Who is your absolute top read, cap'n?

I'll keep the iso going just in case. i'm seeing a lot of things in chaindeath that i've missed.

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he mentions the seemer here and comes up with a very unexpected hypothetical that the seemer posed as the specialist. i don't understand his thought process and id like to hear what made him come to this conclusion.

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the first paragraph is fluff. everyone votes based on how they feel when they vote. he also doesn't elaborate on his feelings towards luffy, which was, i think, part of the response sloonei was looking for. nothing we hadn't seen before in the second, aside him not understanding the CFD.

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chaindeath is yet again 'not caught up'. he says he had exams and that's why he wasn't as active as he should be, so let's see how things change on the activity front. he also repeats his suspicions of Silver and luffy without providing any evidence, and i'm starting to think he might just be trying to use his scumreads as a way of jumping on bandwagons to avoid scrutiny.

im still going i just don't want huge posts to navigate

Chaindeath walks into the forum after listing from afar, half torn between his loved ones and his need to participate. He is not entirely sure who is a good candidate to vote for, however he is sure that the voting for everyone strategy is not a good way to go. Based on his gut feeling, he respectfully votes for Long Con as the one who feels off. No hate, no animosity, just business babe

chaindeath votes for LC because he 'feels off'. I think, while frustrating, it's understandable on day 1. he also justified why he did not agree with the voting for everyone strategy which is good to see.

Chaindeath has finished reading all of the posts to this point, in the stead of lunch might he add. He would like to acknowledge that he is flattered that thellama would not vote to lynch chaindeath. However, He wishes to let his suspicions be known of Matt and Silverwolf. Matt is acting oddly, and chaindeath is not put at ease with any of Matt's posts. Silverwolf seems fishy as well (odd since shes a wolf and all) he is not comfortable with the snap votes as soon as the polls opened.

Also Chaindeath would like to start a discussion about the hosts night powers. Perhaps the flower of the cosmos was able to redirect the night arrest away from the intended target, especially since in the day before she lost quite a bit from her family. He proposes that she is trying to keep her family at a size that would allow for a fighting chance. In the same mannor,he took the cup, that He thinks that the foot-covering used his power to radically harm the her family. He requests your thoughts.

this is day 2. he expresses scumreads for matt 1.0 and silverwolf again because they are odd and fishy. At this point, we should be seeing actual posts and evaluations to back things up. he says he's not comfortable with snap votes. with changable votes, that is to be expected. it infers he would rather save his vote until either there was more concrete discussion and make a logical decision, or there was a bandwagon he could jump on for the sake of it. he votes luffy without making any justification at all.

that was not a snide remark im actually going to do that

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I'm trying to come up with my 8 names. I have arrived at 7 that I feel comfortable with:

Boomslang
chaindeath
Draconus
Serge
sig
soneji
Turnip Head

#8 is between Quin and Nerolunar. I'm going to let this night phase fully develop before I choose.

Hurry and provide whatever you've got Quin. Time may be running out for someone or sometwo around here.

ill just post things as they come to me then. ok.

I'm caught up, so I'll do my thing.

indiglo wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
indiglo wrote:@ Sloon - that TH, Quin & Sig are likely cops.
Why?
Looking at the number of players on the roster, and taking into consideration that each day period has had multiple lynch candidates (and generally close in numbers), it is beyond coincidental to me that they voted the same so many times on winning lynches (who have mostly been civs). If they were really playing, making their own conclusions, forming their own suspicions, I don't see anyway they would always vote the same repeatedly on winning lynches.

Look at our Civ Core. Have we agreed unanimously so many times? No. Because we are thinking separately, coming up with suspicions, trying to figure things out on our own. We have discussed over and over in the thread, and still have trouble forming a consensus. (Day 6 was the first time, iirc, that our core all voted together.)

So I just see no way how several people (who have not even been involved in all that thread discussion on candidates that we have been) would separately come to the same conclusion every single day, and have almost all of them be mislynches. If you can explain that to me, please do so. But I am at the point where I feel pretty good about my short list, and I don't want to WIFOM it, etc. This makes perfect sense to me, it seems so clear, and I am ready to move forward on it.

I hope this makes sense. I fear I'm rambling, or leaving out key words because I am suddenly very fired up about this whole thing, and the fact that someone else I trust came to the same conclusion finally, and we are on the same page makes me feel super, super good and just ready to go.

I think it's unfair to suggest that sig and I are teammates when he's on every single bandwagon while I'm only there three times. On top of that, two of those times are for ika, and anybody who tries to dispute that I've not advocated ika's lynch since the game began is honestly kidding themselves. Turnip is admittedly more difficult to argue, but we weren't on the same bandwagon every time, and the times we were is one each of us were leading our respective bandwagons.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:others observe and report.
Pretty please, if you will.

I mean, from an 'inside' perspective, it seemed to be a solid case. I look back on it now and think that 'Was avoiding scrutiny for it really a bad thing? What would he have gained by putting himself in the firing line because of his vote?' I regret lynching him for the reasons that were. If you look at the situation from an 'outside' perspective, I wonder if Turnip should have had those thoughts too.

As you can see, I'm still catching up but I most definitely will do as promised. Because I care.

Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
It was only a matter of time before someone brought up ika being the seemer. I wish I could agree, but I think you're wrong. He hinted him being the stool pigeon a while ago, so unless hes really playing us, I think he was civ.

I definitely think the possibility exists that ika is the seemer. I was shocked that he appeared as town, so I want to see that as a valid conclusion. If he is actually town, he played an unnecessarily scummy town game. if he is the seemer, he's done an extremely good job until the very end because I'm torn between the two possibilities. I'm going to sit on it for a little while.

Can someone tell me where in these two posts I said ika is the seemer? SVS is being cocky again, twisting my words and she needs to sit down.
The second one implies that you are leaving the door open to the possibility, but that's not a bad thing. What is your GTH read on this? Was ika the seemer or not?

No, he wasn't.

Now, with that out of the way, I'll be doing an chaindeath ISO. I would like to contribute.

It was only a matter of time before someone brought up ika being the seemer. I wish I could agree, but I think you're wrong. He hinted him being the stool pigeon a while ago, so unless hes really playing us, I think he was civ.

I definitely think the possibility exists that ika is the seemer. I was shocked that he appeared as town, so I want to see that as a valid conclusion. If he is actually town, he played an unnecessarily scummy town game. if he is the seemer, he's done an extremely good job until the very end because I'm torn between the two possibilities. I'm going to sit on it for a little while.

Can someone tell me where in these two posts I said ika is the seemer? SVS is being cocky again, twisting my words and she needs to sit down.

Sloonei wrote:Prisoner aside, unless you have BTSC together then the person you trust the most could be manipulating you. If you don't scum read me, what makes you trust me less than the others? Because they lynched more people? Are you still suspicious of me? To answer both points, lynching ika would help you answer those questions.

Do you think I am manipulating indiglo?
Assuming I'm one of her safe and trusted good guys.[/quote]

No, I have a healthy town read for you right now. I just don't like to see someone express their willingness to lynch someone they don't scumread just because the people they trust do. Especially if it's me

linki: I had to chop half of that out because I can't quote more than 7 existing quotes or something. Aw.

...That did not help.

Oh well, goodnight everyone.

Quin wrote:
S~V~S wrote:
Quin wrote:I definitely think the possibility exists that ika is the seemer. I was shocked that he appeared as town, so I want to see that as a valid conclusion. If he is actually town, he played an unnecessarily scummy town game. if he is the seemer, he's done an extremely good job until the very end because I'm torn between the two possibilities. I'm going to sit on it for a little while.

Let's keep scum hunting, folks. Making things personal isn't gonna catch you a policeman.
It totally does not surprise me that you think he could be the Seemer.

I did not say I thought he was the seemer. Just earlier today I said it was unlikely. I only acknowledged the possibility, and nothing more than that. Find something concrete to tunnel on because you're twisting my words now.

Quin wrote:ISO's on chaindeath and Turnip will occur in the morning, but who knows, maybe a sneaky policeman will cuff me in my sleep. For some reason, I don't see that happening though. Maybe I should make a habit of making myself look bad. It got me this far. hyuckhyuckhyuck
OK, this made me hyuckhyuckhyuck.

You think ika was the seemer, but you also want to iso the people who voted for him.

ika isn't the seemer. The Day 2 lynch proves it. Facts trump gut/tone reads. And I say this as a tone reader myself. There was a save on Fuzz, and it formed around ika when there were other very viable options. Was ika a baddie? Survey says, "NO WAY JOSE". No WIFOM needed.
Again, I said no such thing. Even if had said that, the fact that you expect me to be so narrow minded as to not consider alternative routes is just...bad. I get that you are suspicious of me, I do. But the moment you start to twist my words and lie is when you lose credibility.

I had decided to go to bed thinking, 'ah, no outrageous comments from SVS tonight, this was a good night' and stayed up that little longer. I shouldn't have.

These are my comments in bold. I screwed it up.

S~V~S wrote:
Quin wrote:I definitely think the possibility exists that ika is the seemer. I was shocked that he appeared as town, so I want to see that as a valid conclusion. If he is actually town, he played an unnecessarily scummy town game. if he is the seemer, he's done an extremely good job until the very end because I'm torn between the two possibilities. I'm going to sit on it for a little while.

Let's keep scum hunting, folks. Making things personal isn't gonna catch you a policeman.
It totally does not surprise me that you think he could be the Seemer.

I did not say I thought he was the seemer. Just earlier today I said it was unlikely. I only acknowledged the possibility, and nothing more than that. Find something concrete to tunnel on because you're twisting my words now.

Quin wrote:ISO's on chaindeath and Turnip will occur in the morning, but who knows, maybe a sneaky policeman will cuff me in my sleep. For some reason, I don't see that happening though. Maybe I should make a habit of making myself look bad. It got me this far. hyuckhyuckhyuck
OK, this made me hyuckhyuckhyuck.

You think ika was the seemer, but you also want to iso the people who voted for him.

ika isn't the seemer. The Day 2 lynch proves it. Facts trump gut/tone reads. And I say this as a tone reader myself. There was a save on Fuzz, and it formed around ika when there were other very viable options. Was ika a baddie? Survey says, "NO WAY JOSE". No WIFOM needed.

Again, I said no such thing. Even if had said that, the fact that you expect me to be so narrow minded as to not consider alternative routes is just...bad. I get that you are suspicious of me, I do. But the moment you start to twist my words and lie is when you lose credibility.

I had decided to go to bed thinking, 'ah, no outrageous comments from SVS tonight, this was a good night' and stayed up that little longer. I shouldn't have.

ISO's on chaindeath and Turnip will occur in the morning, but who knows, maybe a sneaky policeman will cuff me in my sleep. For some reason, I don't see that happening though. Maybe I should make a habit of making myself look bad. It got me this far. hyuckhyuckhyuck

I definitely think the possibility exists that ika is the seemer. I was shocked that he appeared as town, so I want to see that as a valid conclusion. If he is actually town, he played an unnecessarily scummy town game. if he is the seemer, he's done an extremely good job until the very end because I'm torn between the two possibilities. I'm going to sit on it for a little while.

Let's keep scum hunting, folks. Making things personal isn't gonna catch you a policeman.

indiglo wrote:
Quin wrote:Would everyone be so kind as to name one player who at this point, you would 100 oppose a lynch for?

I pick indiglo.
Why? Having trouble drawing up your NK list?

Indeed.

In all actuality I forgot about that critical point. At the very least that makes me feel even better about you, since you didn't cooperate.

Would everyone be so kind as to name one player who at this point, you would 100 oppose a lynch for?

I pick indiglo.

I just spent a good 15 minutes trying to rewrite a paragraph that I thought looked choppy, only to come to the realisation that I made it 10 times worse.

Wouldn't it be ironic if after all this it turned out that the seemer was diiny or something ?

I needed a distraction from writing this report. Thanks guys.

It was only a matter of time before someone brought up ika being the seemer. I wish I could agree, but I think you're wrong. He hinted him being the stool pigeon a while ago, so unless hes really playing us, I think he was civ.

Id find the post, but I'm on my phone.
#soznotsoz

C-c-can I come?

indiglo wrote:I think that's true, SVS. It makes things more clear, at least to me.

And I will add - that last post Quin made to me, trying to get me to doubt my town reads and vote with him and his buddies, was scummy to the max.

I have no buddies. I just wanted you to lynch ika because I thought for sure he was scum and that would make you feel better about me. It has had... the opposite effect.

I'm not feeling so great about Turnip now, either. Nor am I about chaindeath. 'That's some nice damage control there Quin', you all say. 'I know, right' says Quin.

Sorry, ika.

Epignosis wrote:I just ate.

What did you eat?

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Well given the names on the wagon, I think an ika lynch is going to prove illuminating no matter what he flips.

Who do you think we can get the best indicator towards? I did not miss that remark from chaindeath just now. I think I may ISO him later on.

I thought the polls were supposed to close like 15 minutes ago. Are they extended because the night phase ended late last time?

that was a good thing

CHAINDEATH! SAY A THING!

Looks like it's gonna come down to dem extra votes. I haven't got any. Pity.

Mafia's no fun if you're not paranoid

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Quin wrote:As a last minute notion that totally isn't yet another posting about lynching ika:

Right now whenever we talk about Silverwolf, we get ika. I think they're melding themselves together, possibly unintentionally, but it's making it difficult for me at least, to think of Silver as an independent player. I think lynching ika might make it easier to see Silver as a solo player.
They're the same person on Day 6? Ehhhhhh

No, I'm pretty much referring directly to whenever Silverwolf gets brought up in any capacity. We don't get an explanation from Silver, we get five posts in a row of ika telling us how wrong we are.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:BTW-I feel like this entire day phase has been town turning against me and scum sitting back and laughing.

Town is gonna lose this game and there is nothing I can do to prevent it. That frustrates the shit out of me. And to be criticized for my play on top of it is just enough for me.

I'm tired of it. I'm seriously done now.
I've felt this way before and it's frustrating. But people are not turning on you. It just feels that way.
Yep. I would never lynch SW in this game.

Agreed.

As a last minute notion that totally isn't yet another posting about lynching ika:

Right now whenever we talk about Silverwolf, we get ika. I think they're melding themselves together, possibly unintentionally, but it's making it difficult for me at least, to think of Silver as an independent player. I think lynching ika might make it easier to see Silver as a solo player.

indiglo wrote:Ok, so anyway, what is the preference here? Stick with Boomrique? Or switch to ika?

Would you like to feel more confident on your read of me? If yes, vote ika

Would you like to stay in your comfort zone and vote with people you trust? If yes, vote Boom

I'm not sure what your case is for voting Boom. I may have just insulted your entire being for suggesting you were just following a lead. I apologise.

You know what does suck? That cup of coffee I had on day 3. That was absolutely disgusting.

ika wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:Meahwhile, ika is farting around in the interrogation room while his head is being noosed. SW, please get him in here.
I can try but he has a mind of his own.

indiglo-I'm pretty sure he's not pooping cuz I'm pretty sure he can't format mobile and wouldn't take his computer in the bathroom.
You should know i would take my computer into the bathroom if i needed to poo. I must of never done it with you yet

I havent been posting much cus i still feel bad about the post i directed at silver.

I dont get why ppl are defedning epi either. his entire posts are about how im playing. why should silver see his POV if she thinks he is scum?

She is callign him scum, so she has no bearing to try to see it, its twising at it wrost and thats why my votes still ont here

Why should silver completely ignore someone who she thinks is town? Because not doing so is quite frankly a horrible thing to do. I felt the same way back when SVS wouldn't talk to me when she first suspected me. It felt like I was being denied the opportunity to play mafia with her. She's abandoned that tactic for the most part, which I'm thankful for. Besides, if people just ignored their scum reads they wouldn't be able to build their case.

Other than speaking out against this, I don't have much to say between Silver and Epi. I want to see how it plays out, there's probably something tangible in there I can use later on.

indiglo wrote:
Quin wrote:
indiglo wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
indiglo wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:I really want to take a leap of faith and trust Silver about ika.

Here's what my paranoia is doing to me - what if ika is scum and several scum team members are voting ika (a member of their team) for civ cred? (While they let a bunch of civs follow another mislynch.)
In that case we should lynch him and sort out the rest when we get there.

Well, I do think SW is town. Even with continued issues with miscommunication. Prisoner50 said we know who we trust, it's time to take a leap of faith. Ergo, I leap with her.

On the flip side, the past few times I have changed my vote close to EoD (even for what seemed like good reasons) it has not gone well for the lynch.

I know I am overthinking this, but then I overthink that too - which direction am I overthinking in? And that type of shit.
Do you think my suspicion of ika is faked?
No, I don't. I am not reading you as scum either. However some people I trust have been seeing you in that light for quite some time. So I'm led to consider why they think that, because I don't think their suspicion of you is faked either. Do they have info? Are they just incorrect?

I am in a pickle over the whole thing. And I feel like a dolt because of it, but I also have to congratulate all the cops on confusing me so well.

Prisoner aside, unless you have BTSC together then the person you trust the most could be manipulating you. If you don't scum read me, what makes you trust me less than the others? Because they lynched more people? Are you still suspicious of me? To answer both points, lynching ika would help you answer those questions.

indiglo wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
indiglo wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:I really want to take a leap of faith and trust Silver about ika.

Here's what my paranoia is doing to me - what if ika is scum and several scum team members are voting ika (a member of their team) for civ cred? (While they let a bunch of civs follow another mislynch.)
In that case we should lynch him and sort out the rest when we get there.

Well, I do think SW is town. Even with continued issues with miscommunication. Prisoner50 said we know who we trust, it's time to take a leap of faith. Ergo, I leap with her.

On the flip side, the past few times I have changed my vote close to EoD (even for what seemed like good reasons) it has not gone well for the lynch.

I know I am overthinking this, but then I overthink that too - which direction am I overthinking in? And that type of shit.

Do you think my suspicion of ika is faked?

Quick question: Is there anybody here who hasn't scum-read ika at some point?

I can't see why you don't think I'm fighting. I've been screaming town and scum reads from the hilltops since the game began. There ain't no back seating in my game, no sir. But, I have slowed down given the fact that I've been scum read relentlessly for the past week and a half. That's probably enough to put a damper on any townies game.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
indiglo wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:The alternative to the Boom lynch I am considering most strongly right now is a sig lynch. I am willing to work alongside Epignosis on this one, and I do think sig has been suspicious in recent memory even given my reservations about suspecting his play earlier. I also think that if he is mislynch-bait, then this town will struggle a great deal to get past that and eventually it could be the game-losing move. If he's going to be lynched it has to be soon.
If sig comes up the consensus, I would be willing to vote there too.

What are your thoughts on Quin at this point? A couple people I trust have been going for him for a long time.
He's highly suspicious technically and not very suspicious emotionally. I think the way he carries himself is very town, but the data working against him is really hard to ignore.

Those were my exact thoughts on Golden at the time.

By the way, I am starting to open up on the idea of lynching sig. This post in particular:

See I realllly dislike Ika's emotional post when he started getting votes. However, bloom is looking scummy and looking back I disliked Enrique

It just feels a whole lot like he's trying to get his finger in the pie to avoid suspicion later on.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
indiglo wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:The alternative to the Boom lynch I am considering most strongly right now is a sig lynch. I am willing to work alongside Epignosis on this one, and I do think sig has been suspicious in recent memory even given my reservations about suspecting his play earlier. I also think that if he is mislynch-bait, then this town will struggle a great deal to get past that and eventually it could be the game-losing move. If he's going to be lynched it has to be soon.
If sig comes up the consensus, I would be willing to vote there too.

What are your thoughts on Quin at this point? A couple people I trust have been going for him for a long time.
He's highly suspicious technically and not very suspicious emotionally. I think the way he carries himself is very town, but the data working against him is really hard to ignore.

Those were my exact thoughts on Golden at the time.

By the way, I am starting to open up on the idea of lynching sig. This post in particular:

See I realllly dislike Ika's emotional post when he started getting votes. However, bloom is looking scummy and looking back I disliked Enrique

It just feels a whole lot like he's trying to get his finger in the pie to avoid suspicion later on.

Scotty wrote:I think that Boom flipping bad actually makes Quin look worse, which is what I've been trying to paint for you all for a while now, so I'm down with a Boom lynch

I don't remember the last time I said anything specific about Enrislang. If I recall, he'd dropped right into the middle of my rainbow list on day 3/4 and I haven't mentioned him since.

I'm still catching up. Why can't you all put me out of my misery?

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I have nagging doubts about Scotty, and about lynching you. If you're an evil baddie then you're doing a fantastic job of conveying an earnest tone every time you're pressed. I'm looking through your posts for anti-Scotty stuff. I'm looking for inspiration.

I hope you find something that convinces you to change your mind. Either way, I'm about to go to bed and I'll likely sleep through EoD.

I'd recommend you all stop looking at inactives so actively. Yes, it is likely that there are some among them, but there's not enough to work with to prevent those lynches from coming down to sheer probability. Meanwhile, the active scum are playing a very good game keeping your eyes off them.

I'd also recommend having a look at any players yet to make a decision as to my alignment. I've been a major point of interest since EoD2. Anybody who has yet to come to a decision on that front reeks of disassociation and scumminess. As fate would have it, ika fits this category. I'm sure he's not the only one.

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