The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:...

I think I've made my point with the FZ vote. Back to Diiny.
What point was that?

That she's bad.

MacDougall wrote:I think a push against a Diiny lynch here isn't a great idea. I and others had him as firmly scum well before Wilgy came along being Wilgy.

Amen.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Yup, definitely taking the role of observer for a while.
I don't like this post. At all.

If you can't stand the heat, then stay out of the kitchen. I struggle to see why a civilian zebra would want to dial back her participation.

Better to have no opinion than an uninformed one. I value my participation, therefore I want as much of it as possible to have credibility.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Crazy theory: I think zebra and FZ. are mafia teammates.

I love it. It's brilliant. I even wish it were true.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Okay FZ, I was reluctant to call you out on misrepresenting my argument when it comes to what exactly I think Wilgy is doing in this game in the last post I made, because I feel like I call people out on that too often when it's not true and/or warranted. But this is just too much. Let me go back and take a look at your magnificent concoction of assumptions and straw man arguments.
FZ. wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
FZ. wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:And I need to make it clear and more vocal that there's a difference between being wrong for being wrong and being wrong for being bad.
WTF does that supposed to mean?
You're only trying to justify your Diiny vote as being based on Wilgy's claim because it's easier to pull off as genuine than faking a reason why you think he is actually bad or at least inconspicuously parroting everyone else that does.
This is ridiculous. Either Wilgy is telling the truth or not. If he is, then I find trusting him to be the best thing to do. Since you're not voting Wilgy, I'm assuming you think he's lying about knowing for a fact Diiny is bad. If that's the case, you should be a lot more worried about him than you are me, but don't let logic confuse you.
Alright, so your assumption (and you even admit, it is in fact an assumption) that I think Wilgy is lying stems from me not voting for him? I could write a piece that Ayn Rand fanboys would appreciate based on how illogical that assumption is, but I'll move on instead.
FZ. wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:This is most likely because he's your teammate but it's still a valid hypothesis even if he's somehow not.
I must be really dense today, because I swear to god, I'm not understanding half the players this game.

Two options I've seen brought up:

1. Enrique: Wilgy and Diiny are bad. The former is throwing the latter under the bus by fake claiming something that the real cop knows is not true.

2. Zebra: Wilgy is lying, and taking the most stupid risk I've ever seen someone take (it's not like he can use some excuse that his actions got redirected or whatever) which will be discovered the minute Diiny is lynched, and I'm following him because it's easier to show I'm trusting him instead of finding a real reason to suspect someone.

I'd like to call at least one of you bad, but these theories seem so far fetched that I can't possibly think a baddie would be that crazy to try and pin them on people.
So to recap, you've gone from an assumption about one of my hypotheses based on me not voting for a particular player, to representing that assumption that you have made as an "option" that you've seen me brought up. Calling this misrepresentation wouldn't even do this justice anymore. This is lying, plain and simple. I don't think Wilgy is lying and I don't think he's telling the truth either. As I've already made clear earlier, what Wilgy is doing is pure WIFOM to me that could go too many different ways to make any assumptions about, which makes it all the easier for baddies such as yourself to use a fake perspective on what he is doing to your advantage. And you are not following him, you are faking following him. If you can't see that aspect of my argument then that means you've most likely been caught red-handed, because bottom line, that IS the argument itself.
Elaborate upon this.

Diiny wrote:And I'm really loving the melodrama btw

More power to you scum

Enrique wrote:I'm 100% serious btw. If Wilgy dies tonight I will ask to be replaced. I won't make another post on the thread. I'm out completely. I feel stupid for even entertaining the idea that he was trying to do something good. Wilgy is the worst of the worst.

I feel sick

Enrique wrote:this is me rn

Wilgy you're full of shit and I look forward to lynching you tomorrow. I'm out rn but I'll be back in like an hour prob.

Anyway, you're full of shit.

While I was shocked checking in post-lynch to find you dead, I am significantly less shocked after seeing this. It doesn't feel genuine at all. It was, but it doesn't feel like it was. I don't think we suck for lynching you (granted I initially did), and if I was present near the end of the day I might have contributed to that lynch myself.

DrWilgy wrote:
Zebra btw, nice avatar
a2thezebra wrote:DrWilgy, stop trying to intoxicate us with the wine por favor

@Diiny While I appreciate that you elaborated on your (supposed) thought processes with those posts I mentioned, I still don't buy it. Sorry. Bedtime for me too.
Zebra noting that my play is all WIFOM...

and...
actually that's it! woo! EZ!
Zebra denotes my play as WIFOM, and stays away from it. Rather get involved with me, Zebra looks at how players responded to my lie.
Zebra, you are a beautiful human.

You too, are a beautiful human DrWilgy. I'm glad someone gets where I was (and am, I suppose) coming from.

Diiny wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Diiny wrote:FZ's grappling with Wilgy makes sense to me, it's a confusing situation, and FZ strikes me as someone wanting to get to the bottom of it quick. What gives me more pause is her stance on me which isn't very solid. I'd be glad to see someone say I wasn't bad normally, but she seemed to want to stay out of the entire conflict, possibly because she knows I'll flip town if I die but doesn't want the hassle of defending someone a lot of people think is bad. She has some pretty brutal disses in her post history.

Audio Version:

link: fug
How poetic that my biggest scum read understands the reasoning behind my second biggest scum read better than anyone else.
Wait, this reasoning for your second scum read doesn't even make sense if I'm scum. And you underlined stuff that involved me being town specifically. What's up?

It makes sense because my suspicion of FZ isn't dependent on you being her teammate as others seemed to think it was. Her distancing of you while simultaneously voting for you is equally questionable whether you're her teammate or not. If you're scum, it makes just as much sense and actually makes her distancing of you more easily understood. What on earth did I underline that involved you being town? You're not town.

This game cray

Diiny. More later, g'night.

Sorry I'll have to catch up later, I'm exhausted.

Why in the name of fuck did Enrique get lynched.

MacDougall wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:I'm actually somewhere between neutral and town on Epignosis, I just think he's putting semantics on too high of a pedestal. He didn't even realize I was being self-deprecating with the Ayn Rand comment.
He is a busy boy. So perhaps he just phoning it in.

That being said NAY I will not be allowing excuses of such nature. Epignosis you are a bad guy. Core bad. Bad to the marrow.

Are you advocating a policy lynch? :P

I'm actually somewhere between neutral and town on Epignosis, I just think he's putting semantics on too high of a pedestal. He didn't even realize I was being self-deprecating with the Ayn Rand comment.

"curious thing to concentrate"

AHEM. Alright guys, lemme clarify what I meant to say, for Epi's sake.

*clears throat*

Epi is advocating a non-town-benefiting lynch based on a more-likely-than-not-personal issue with Floyd? Is that better?

Nope, never mind, I can't do this. I can't bullshit so blatantly as this. It's a policy lynch, and it's for personal reasons. There's no way to sugarcoat it. If a politician is advocating for harsher policies against abortion, that might be because they have a personal issue with it that relates to their morals. If a player personally feels that another player has chronic non-participation problems, they might advocate a policy lynch against that player. Simple.

Epignosis wrote:(policy is even the dictionary antonym of personal).

Must...resist...temptation...to start pointless unnecessary semantics war with Epi...does this give you a better idea of why I decided to enter observer mode, JJJ?

Diiny wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Diiny wrote:Moving to FZ for self prez and that.

Someone tell me why they're voting me when Wilgy is literally just lying and there's no such thing as a non vt peek
Because that doesn't make you good.
Elaborate, pls, are you saying it makes me look bad?

Maybe there are reasons for suspecting you besides Wilgy's claim (except for FZ of course). After all, his claim didn't even happen until after Floyd had already jumped on your "wagon" remember?

I gotcha. Consider my ping voided.

Enrique wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:My issue is, if scum was handed to us on a plate in the form of Diiny as Sorsha said was the case, how come she never voted for Diiny? It might help if she implied that it was a pressure vote, but it came off as fairly permanent-sounding. Motel Room, similar to you Wilgy, is a big bowl of WIFOM for me at this point.
You voted for FZ too. Regardless of vote, what Sorsha says is important, and I don't really have anything to disagree with.

True, but unlike Sorsha, I also was vocal about my suspicion (and vote) for Diiny, and still am. I also made it clear that my vote for FZ wasn't permanent when it was questioned by you earlier. I'm not going to push this since Sorsha hasn't responded to my ping and doesn't have anything else to lead me to conclude that she's bad, but I feel it's worth mentioning for now.

Diiny wrote:FZ's grappling with Wilgy makes sense to me, it's a confusing situation, and FZ strikes me as someone wanting to get to the bottom of it quick. What gives me more pause is her stance on me which isn't very solid. I'd be glad to see someone say I wasn't bad normally, but she seemed to want to stay out of the entire conflict, possibly because she knows I'll flip town if I die but doesn't want the hassle of defending someone a lot of people think is bad. She has some pretty brutal disses in her post history.

Audio Version:

link: fug

How poetic that my biggest scum read understands the reasoning behind my second biggest scum read better than anyone else.

I agree with JJJ's rainbow reads list way more than I expected to based on a few of his earlier comments.

My issue is, if scum was handed to us on a plate in the form of Diiny as Sorsha said was the case, how come she never voted for Diiny? It might help if she implied that it was a pressure vote, but it came off as fairly permanent-sounding. Motel Room, similar to you Wilgy, is a big bowl of WIFOM for me at this point.

DrWilgy wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:...

I think I've made my point with the FZ vote. Back to Diiny.
Did you get the results you wanted? What do you think of Room's and Sorsha's votes?

Room I'm undecided on, and I'm slightly pinged by Sorsha's.

...

I think I've made my point with the FZ vote. Back to Diiny.

Diiny wrote:It's clearly an omgus just without my vote on him. I pressure him, he calls me hypocritical (incorrectly) and leaves after, content with flinging his vote onto the only wagon quickly behind the first two votes.

Look at the actual posts, I make a fair analysis of the guy, and if that wasn't fair enough after his vote I explain my stance further. Why did you see why he voted for me? Because I was the wagon and he's looking for an easy place to drop dat vote? Because I totally agree

You really think you were a wagon at that point? Wow.

I wouldn't call it an OMGUS, honestly. I wouldn't vote for a player just because I thought they were being hypocritical either, but I can see why he did.

Take your time.

*steps out of observation mode again*

I thought you were having a look at FZ, Diiny.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Zebra has expressed plenty of suspicions, so her preferred votes shouldn't need elaborating.
Gack, sorry again Zebra.

No problem.

*steps back in*

*steps outside of observation mode temporarily*

Diiny wrote:Essay over, feeling GOOD. NO STRESS. let's GO, boys. I haven't read the thread. Ask me questions. throw your shit. Because you're not lynching me and wilgy's lying

What are your thoughts on FZ?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Because if I don't, I fear I will stray too far from making sure being as objective as possible is my top priority.
This would imply then that something you've said to this point has inspired doubt within you about your own objectivity? Which of your reads do you feel that way about if any?
This is not the case.
If you're solid on your objectivity to this point, why have you made it a priority to step back and account for your objectivity?

Because if I don't, I fear I will stray too far from making sure being as objective as possible is my top priority. [2]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Because if I don't, I fear I will stray too far from making sure being as objective as possible is my top priority.
This would imply then that something you've said to this point has inspired doubt within you about your own objectivity? Which of your reads do you feel that way about if any?

This is not the case.

Because if I don't, I fear I will stray too far from making sure being as objective as possible is my top priority.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Yup, definitely taking the role of observer for a while.
Nah, you don't go around knocking heads around and then bail into Observer Mode immediately upon receiving some of that treatment yourself.

Sure I do, but that doesn't mean I'm ignorant of whatever consequences there may be.

Yup, definitely taking the role of observer for a while.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:I also look forward to Epi elaborating on, well anything really.
This post is without purpose. Why is this post on my screen? What inspired its creation?

Hmmm...I think I'll follow Wilgy's example for a bit. This isn't the unbiased JJJ that I'm used to.

I also look forward to Epi elaborating on, well anything really.

Epignosis wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:especially considering your current vote is on probably the least suspicious player in the game at this point, including yours truly
On Day 1, someone is only suspicious or not suspicious because people judge them to be such. You think Floyd is less suspicious than say, Sorsha or DFaraday?

In case it isn't plain, I plan to vote TheFloyd73 every day for his chronic non-participation. If he changes that, my opinion of him may change. May change.

Yes, I think Floyd is less suspicious than say, Sorsha or DFaraday. Your "suspicion" of Floyd is personal and at least you're more or less admitting it here, but that doesn't change the fact that you are advocating a policy lynch over many other town-preferable options. If you don't like his participation in the site, then there are other ways of handling it besides dragging down our chances of winning.

motel room wrote:
Enrique wrote:
motel room wrote:
Enrique wrote:Any other thoughts, motel room?
I will say that I agree with you that I think it's unlikely that there was a successful scum peek. I will also say that I'm considering voting for you today.

Anything else? On, you know, anything that's being discussed.
you don't want to know why I'd be suspicious of you?

I do. Especially since he doesn't.

especially considering your current vote is on probably the least suspicious player in the game at this point, including yours truly

I'll take that as a compliment.

mad bad is mad

My work here is done. If the rest of town doesn't see the value in your lynch, that's their problem at this point.

motel room wrote:
Enrique wrote:Any other thoughts, motel room?
I will say that I agree with you that I think it's unlikely that there was a successful scum peek. I will also say that I'm considering voting for you today.

I'd love to hear you elaborate on the second part.

Epignosis wrote:I found this post to be pointless:

Diiny wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Yay game!

Who wants to throw out peeks?
What do you think of Floyd?
what do you think of floyd?
I voted for Floyd, and have no intention of changing. Why is Diiny turning my question back around on me?

Because his own answer would reveal too much about his alignment.

FZ. wrote:Zebra, I'm going to say this one last time, if you still think I'm bad, it's your problem. I'm done defending myself:

1. My ping of Diiny was not enough to make me vote for him. Which left me with Wilgy.
2. He's either lying or he's not. Duh
3. Unlike you, I'm saying that unless he's a crazy crazy man, he isn't faking. I've given all the logical reasoning I can to show you all why I think he's not lying, which is why I ended up following him and voted Diiny.
4. I've tried every possible way I know to make sure he's not a "crazy bastard" just trying to make sure everyone follows him without solid reasons, manipulating them into believing he does.

1. What's that? You were pinged by Diiny? This is new, originally regarding Diiny's back-and-forth with me you never used the word "ping".
2. Duh indeed. So let's trust him for no reason!
3. Again, this doesn't excuse your deliberate lack of interest in demonstrating any thoughts of Diiny that go beyond Wilgy's claim.
4. Again, defending your reasoning for trusting Wilgy is not the same as defending that this trust is not scum-motivated. In other words, you're only done defending yourself because you never really started.

linki - My prize will be my part in leading town to victory.

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