Literally telling Brad to vote the wolf.MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 2:03 am If Falcon is in your PoE, it's a better idea to be voting him and keeping the wagons readable than just yoloing onto a random slot to create an extra wagon imo.
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- Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:29 am
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 2]
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:28 am
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 2]
This actually feels like backed up town Brad tbh. Which surprises me, I was fairly confident he was mafia here. But this is not how he reacts to being pressured by me usually. Feels like overly cross and frustrated Brad. Caught for flimsy reasons No, it feels like pissed off town Brad. Wolf Brad is...
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:27 am
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 1]
Thanks for the fish. Do you base this on the mech post? I find that a tad odd because anyone can speak on mech, especially considering it's basically truth-talk and busy work Day 1. It's probably the most irrelevant line of conversation you can go down. Now, given it's RVS at that point, sure talk ...
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:26 am
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 2]
I mean if I extract Brad from the POE and take his Chelsea townread... Falcon/Jack/Creature is a perfectly plausible trio of a POE. @Lime Coke do you have a townread on any of these guys? More textbook Mac solving. Choking all Falcon wolf teams. Extracting players from POE to get a sense of accurat...
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:25 am
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 1]
Thanks for the fish. Fuck it Scotty can be town. Do you base this on the mech post? I find that a tad odd because anyone can speak on mech, especially considering it's basically truth-talk and busy work Day 1. It's probably the most irrelevant line of conversation you can go down. Now, given it's R...
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:23 am
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 2]
Seanzie is a name I think should get resolved at some point. For now: falcon for science I think Seanzie is fairly townie atm. Scotty votes my partner Falcon but I care more about his push on Seanzie than contending with him about Falcon. Cuz I scumread Falcon and was fine with the vote. Because I'...
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:21 am
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 2]
Chelsea, Manny, Scotty, TSP, LC, Jack level 1 POE off wago. Probably 1 between Epi and Falcon due to the RO3 on the Seanzie wagon (unless Seanzie is mafia and I'm misreading the NKA). Jack's EOD felt the most like "I'm just here so I won't get fined". Scotty at least was progressing the g...
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:21 am
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 1]
Abi, while you’re here and obviously not busy, talk to me about Sig wowee Uh Mac and Seanzie wagons succ so I'm voting the next biggest wagon I don't explicitly town read Doubt mafia kills this if Seanzie is mafia. Town Abigail looks like a wolf ally in Seanzie or Mac mafia worlds. Why I townread S...
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:20 am
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 1]
I did never receive this answer.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:14 pm Still wondering whether I'm gonna get an answer from Chelsea about why they had Creature top town
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:18 am
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
I know Scotty claimed I was partners with Falcon which I question how because it's not true and also I don't look like Falcon's partner but you can certainly use that as evidence against me.
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:16 am
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
I also would hope people have read mine and Falcon's isos to see if we looked teamed. I don't believe my analysis of Falcon, my play around the moments Falcon was under fire or his day 1 cajoling of me are remotely partner indicative. I also would think that if Manny was town in a Mac mafia team it'...
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:14 am
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
I think the fact Jack is now acting like all of me is holistically wolfy is quite strong evidence he's not analysing in good faith given I'm not even voting him.
I'd like Jack to tell me who my teammates are.
I'd like Jack to tell me who my teammates are.
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:08 am
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
Yes well it's also a thing town Mac says because town Mac is saying it.
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:07 am
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
uh, important to note, manny is currently alive. Which really should mean a lot. Mafia could have this role: The Think Tank Once during the game during any night phase, you may select a player. If that player has any special role abilities, they will be neutralized and no longer usable for the rema...
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:04 am
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
uh, important to note, manny is currently alive. Which really should mean a lot. Means wolves thought killing LC (or possibly Scotty) was more important than killing essential IC Manny. Who besides me was stanning Long Con? Or maybe they role copped him N2 and thought they were in good position in ...
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:03 am
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
Epi is now voting someone on a critical day 4 because "you're not fun to play with". Because I reacted to a 4 vote wagon aggressively. Epi who is himself image posting. Epi who is himself a curmudgeon. If I was independent in this I'd be questioning Epi as to whether not enjoying someone'...
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:03 am
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
Bad things like a mafia dying? Weird assessment.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:44 am my read on manny is that mac has to blame someone for bad things happening and bad things aren't the fault of you or creature so by process of elimination it's manny which actually isn't a good read but I need mac to be town for me to be happy
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 4:02 am
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
Brad is town via being out of his range. Chelsea is town because she was one of Abi's top town and Abi wouldn't have been killed in any mafia teams where their top town was mafia. Dunnstral is just towny af. Along with Lanmisa. Epi is probably not mafia due to lack of self pres and voting with Falc...
- Thu Feb 22, 2024 3:59 am
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- Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:56 pm
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
By all means play the mafia game people.
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:56 pm
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
Epi is now voting someone on a critical day 4 because "you're not fun to play with". Because I reacted to a 4 vote wagon aggressively. Epi who is himself image posting. Epi who is himself a curmudgeon. If I was independent in this I'd be questioning Epi as to whether not enjoying someone's...
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:51 pm
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
I am now near mathematically confirmed town. Thanks y'all. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/815376386143420468/1210070406833111060/Bye.jpg?ex=65e938e3&is=65d6c3e3&hm=bc01790d8952d76acc231e09ef2382f46fdd61fef6c0b8a4acbac71a0d709731&=&format=webp Ah yes all mafia should be pla...
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:49 pm
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
No actually just a town player with a town pulse. Town vibes. I'm a city.
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:49 pm
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
Be Mac
solve the game around a team comp of players that you'd need to side with you to not die
Townread most of the players who want you to die
Ah yes... the self preservation instincts and skill level of a GOD indeed.
solve the game around a team comp of players that you'd need to side with you to not die
Townread most of the players who want you to die
Ah yes... the self preservation instincts and skill level of a GOD indeed.
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:46 pm
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
Rubber necking jive turkeys the lot of you.
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:46 pm
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
If you think mafia aren't voting me right now you've got the game solved around your Mac team. Town numma 1.
Unfortunately no, the town voting for me are yucking it up like Sunday drivers.
Unfortunately no, the town voting for me are yucking it up like Sunday drivers.
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:44 pm
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
I am now near mathematically confirmed town. Thanks y'all.
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:43 pm
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
Abi and Seanzie townread me. Scotty was working amicably with me. LC I am fairly sure townread me but without stating as much. Michelle pressure voted me but really didn't suspect me. Meanwhile all game long I've had Creature, Chelsea, Brad, Manny and Lanmisa threatening me existentially at all time...
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:41 pm
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
Also none of the kills make an iota sense as being pro Mac kills if you think past your nose.
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:40 pm
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
TSP is maybe a bit nullish.
I'm also spewed town by the way I treated Falcon because I am an efficiency wolf and wouldn't have put him bottom of my POE without actually having an agenda to gain immense cred.
I'm also spewed town by the way I treated Falcon because I am an efficiency wolf and wouldn't have put him bottom of my POE without actually having an agenda to gain immense cred.
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:39 pm
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
Brad is town via being out of his range. Chelsea is town because she was one of Abi's top town and Abi wouldn't have been killed in any mafia teams where their top town was mafia. Dunnstral is just towny af. Along with Lanmisa. Epi is probably not mafia due to lack of self pres and voting with Falco...
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:34 pm
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
You guys can actually solve this with d1 eod wagonomics if you care to.
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:32 pm
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
if y'all think I'm mafia with a 4 vote wagon on me before nobody else is voting you need to reevaluate your understanding of how this game works.
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:30 pm
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
well except creature who is my top scumread
mafia team is jack/creature/manny.
gl town.
mafia team is jack/creature/manny.
gl town.
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:28 pm
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
I'm actually extremely annoyed because I literally resolved to townread everyone who just slammed their vote down on me and think I've got a fairly accurate solve now lol...
oh well suit yourselves... lose.
oh well suit yourselves... lose.
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:25 pm
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
pull your heads out of your asses
- Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:25 pm
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 4]
why the fuck are you voting me? I'm town
- Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:04 pm
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 3]
That's not true. Sig was asleep after having posted plenty and Nook was posting just taking the piss a bit. Falcon has had more than enough opportunities to post and defend and while it's not a foregone conclusion the lack of that is very comfortably more probably a wolf resigned to their fate and n...
- Tue Feb 20, 2024 8:02 pm
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 3]
If you think that's a possibility I implore you to do something about it.
- Tue Feb 20, 2024 11:15 am
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 3]
Mac's main pushes from my POV are all town (Me, Manny, Lime) and came into the day trying to set up this odd statement saying that one of me or Lime should be dead because the mafia would be annoyed. It seems extremely specific and almost like projecting. Those are my base level thoughts though, I'...
- Tue Feb 20, 2024 1:59 am
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 3]
don't ask me questions, I'm just a bystander in the affairs of the thread. There's no reason to talk about anything else, it can't really be a /good/ thing. Just a no-win situation. Town gets more info from the flip than the wolves do and pre-speccing on what to do if Falcon flips 3P instead of wol...
- Tue Feb 20, 2024 1:59 am
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 3]
No it's good cuz the game was kind of heated and lame and some time out is good. Also I might die which is good for me because I hate you all.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2024 8:35 pm uh the day's gonna go to waste here which is kinda bad
- Tue Feb 20, 2024 1:57 am
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 3]
and we think role cop? did he get tracked or something He got (allegedly) watched targeting Seanzie N1. Seanzie shot N2 and flipped PR. Falcon as a wolf role cop would make sense. Could also be a tracker or blocker and Seanzie got killed N2 for other reasons I guess. Slim chance Falcon is actually ...
- Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:35 pm
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 3]
Falcon is belly up so this day will be a red flip at least.
He's probably turbo anti spewed by his team though ie. they've been bussing him since yesterday.
He's probably turbo anti spewed by his team though ie. they've been bussing him since yesterday.
- Mon Feb 19, 2024 7:34 pm
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- Mon Feb 19, 2024 5:36 pm
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 3]
Scotty evaluating me as a possible Falcon teammate is so level 1 chaining he's probably never town for that read. I'm towny as shit in this game. I'm so town that people who hate me can't even deny it.
- Mon Feb 19, 2024 5:35 pm
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 3]
He's probably "Jackals" if I had to guess.
- Mon Feb 19, 2024 5:35 pm
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 3]
[VOTE:
Falcon] aubergine
- Mon Feb 19, 2024 5:32 pm
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 3]
Not gonna be around much today. Got shit to do. If anyone else has any questions now is the time.
- Mon Feb 19, 2024 5:32 pm
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Re: Fallout New Vegas: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [DAY 3]
Meh. Of course you're gonna be focused on Manny over Falcon. Manny is the one actually posting. No, I mean, I don't understand why Mac reads Manny that strongly in a different way that I do. Manny leaving more of an impression is quite obvious. Manny town told when I pushed him so I'm not scumreadi...