The Syndicate

It's such a whirpool of WIFOM it's downright nauseating.

A "kill JJJ nao" believer needs to shed light on what did JJJ try to achieve by duping us yesterDay.

A "don't trust Zenon" believer needs to give a take on Zenon's silencing D3.

Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:10 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:08 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:07 pm There are holes in Zenon's words. JJJ and Zenon are actually fooling people succesfully.
Elaborate on the "holes".
Stating moto is mech cleared wolf. While JJJ did the same on meatbaby. So how can this be?

They both deduced and stated the same. How does that help us?

Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:07 pm There are holes in Zenon's words. JJJ and Zenon are actually fooling people succesfully.

Elaborate on the "holes".

No mostly voting Motobot out of annoyance , plus are you reading his iso and literally he just did what I said he was doing. Outside any claim game, I would probably urge to avoid this mindset against a kid with little to no active engagement with the game. Elim him cuz POE, sure. Confident none of...

so yeah, I think town is likely fucked on votes alone four wolves can pile and clinch it (with, maybe even w/o hunger add-on) if moto is wolf and non-performing and loose with voting, that might hamper them a bit, so just a three-wolf pile that still means all five active town (assuming Martin town ...

More paranoia: if JJJ is town, one vote is required to gamble with a tie, two votes to sink him assuming Belzy and Seanzie are wolves, the above applies if one or neither are, the odds are even worse bottom line, a mislynch is entirely within range to happen, even at the very last minute so much for...

Like if jjj is wolf what numbers advantage do they even get pulling that gambit *yesterday*? Knowing that meatbaby flips town. I can clearly see the motive behind a wolf neon going after a town moto here though, with how close we are in numbers. But i cant explicitly find a reason to say they are e...

Why did you blindly trust mech yesterDay? + Why do you trust that JJJ's failed mech moment paints him wolf? To be fair yesterday was not 6v4 And why are you shading sean here? I mean I'd also like an answer to the question lol, but the way you put it felt like unnecessary shade I didn't mean to sha...

I say we flip the moto read. That's my Occam take. If we lose, gg, congrats wolfs. Zenon being town and asking to be flipped is a self-destructive town move or a wolf flaunt. Welcome to WIFOMville. Wouldnt it just give us a better chance to flip in zenon/jjj? If belzy's w/w theory is correct then i...

I know the mech is scary but I want to be useful this game has blown chunks for me like as in I'm playing poorly not as in I'm unhappy with the game design or not having fun I'm just playing bad. Last night I did something good and I want it to matter. It's ok, I think you're in for a guaranteed sa...

Why did you blindly trust mech yesterDay?

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Why do you trust that JJJ's failed mech moment paints him wolf?

This feels like such a fucking setup and I hate every fucking part of it. But this dude is also voting me so I'm just sending him out. I don’t think motobot is connected (engaged) in doing anything in this internet-provided game of mafia. Least of all toDay, since he didn’t even post to sustain thi...

Thanks for checking the game.

Will you not vote?

You don't risk the game on a maybe when you have a gurantee You call it a guarantee, even though your read could be just as corrupt as Jay’s has proven to be. Or the killer cannot be tracked. Or various other mech difficulties. There is no objective guarantee with this. Well I mean I know I'm the r...

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:43 am You don't risk the game on a maybe when you have a gurantee

You call it a guarantee, even though your read could be just as corrupt as Jay’s has proven to be. Or the killer cannot be tracked. Or various other mech difficulties.

There is no objective guarantee with this.

It’s lylo if it’s 6 vs 4, moto flips town and mafia reaches parity with night kill. Same if we flip you, just like you said, which is insane talk coming from town in this scenario. It may also be gg if mafia has the mechanical votes. Wait... it's 6 v 4 Well than we always flip the mech here wtf I’m...

We may not even have the votes right now to sink moto. He ain’t voting himself. Only Porscha and falcon haven’t voted.

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:37 am Look. I fucking hate mech. I wouldn't be bringing it up unless I'm telling the truth or making a wolf gambit. And I am willing to die to prove that it's the truth

Lol, that clarifies so much, Captain WIFOM.

It’s lylo if it’s 6 vs 4, moto flips town and mafia reaches parity with night kill.

Same if we flip you, just like you said, which is insane talk coming from town in this scenario.

It may also be gg if mafia has the mechanical votes.

[VOTE: motobot] aubergine

We can do anything, especially not attempt to solve the game.

I say we flip the moto read. That's my Occam take. If we lose, gg, congrats wolfs.

Zenon being town and asking to be flipped is a self-destructive town move or a wolf flaunt. Welcome to WIFOMville.

It's not necessarily the motivation tanking, it's the mech claim making players park a vote and bail on play for a second phase running. Though the JJJ voters are the ones active and talking. Zenon now wants to be flipped, but that's game-losing if she is indeed town, so what's the point of this req...

No/lo desire to talk is pretty derpressing.

Yeah, my mind is cooked and so is the game, probably. We've reached a state in which we have to crack and/or pick between two identical claims. We've heard from JJJ, what do we think Zenon will say, besides "im telling you visit = death = gg wolf caught", and then "well heck i must ha...

Wait. Let's assume meatbaby was indeed redirected to target tutuu. Let's assume JJJ's ability did indeed every visit on tutuu. But... tutuu was still killed. And it wasn't meatbaby. So you should have received a result of at least two visits. A killer and meatbaby with her veggies. This results in ...

Wait. Let's assume meatbaby was indeed redirected to target tutuu. Let's assume JJJ's ability did indeed every visit on tutuu. But... tutuu was still killed. And it wasn't meatbaby. So you should have received a result of at least two visits. A killer and meatbaby with her veggies. This results in ...

Blame me if you want, but “my role can be be redirected” is not part of my role card. ANY role can be redirected. If I see some visit a night kill I am going to vote for them every time. This is the improbable exception to a very basic rule. We are into an early phase situation of rage lynching you...

Blame me if you want, but “my role can be be redirected” is not part of my role card. ANY role can be redirected. If I see some visit a night kill I am going to vote for them every time. This is the improbable exception to a very basic rule. We are into an early phase situation of rage lynching you...

Wait. Let's assume meatbaby was indeed redirected to target tutuu. Let's assume JJJ's ability did indeed every visit on tutuu. But... tutuu was still killed. And it wasn't meatbaby. So you should have received a result of at least two visits. A killer and meatbaby with her veggies. This results in y...

Blame me if you want, but “my role can be be redirected” is not part of my role card. ANY role can be redirected. If I see some visit a night kill I am going to vote for them every time. This is the improbable exception to a very basic rule. We are into an early phase situation of rage lynching you...

JJJ's clarifications have brought this claim game to a total stalemate.

JJJ's and Zenon's claims are now fucking identical.

Hello. I did not lie. I was subjected to shenanigans. Welcome to closed role madness. Folks aren’t going to believe me unfortunately, and I believe the game is at 6 vs. 4 (barring unseen independent activity). So we’re about to lose the game. I’ll see if I can work a miracle, but it is a very bad t...

Hello. I did not lie. I was subjected to shenanigans. Welcome to closed role madness. Folks aren’t going to believe me unfortunately, and I believe the game is at 6 vs. 4 (barring unseen independent activity). So we’re about to lose the game. I’ll see if I can work a miracle, but it is a very bad t...

Why do you project 4 baddies?

Please compare I see every one who visits a target I watched Rondo Moto visited Moto killed Moto is scum GGs I'm quite literally a lookout yes lol my flavor is a pirate and I use my spyglass to see everyone who targeted the player the night I watch them I fucked up thinking Tutuu would get killed N1...

Hmm. Man, I may kinda want to flip moto toDay, lol. Here’s why: When asked for clarification, Zenon stated that her ability tracks every visit and that she got the result of only one visit. Therefore, this is a strong wording of a sure-read mafia kill than JJJ worded it. So if moto flips town, Zeno...

Also to think. Day 2 was Ringo banished from speaking, and Night 3 we have Rondo flipping town. Day 3 Zenon is banished and is coming back the next day. Did mafia banish their own teammate to WIFOM it and to make us all believe Zenon be town because of it? I have to speak my mind that this has the ...

Hmm. Man, I may kinda want to flip moto toDay, lol. Here’s why: When asked for clarification, Zenon stated that her ability tracks every visit and that she got the result of only one visit. Therefore, this is a strong wording of a sure-read mafia kill than JJJ worded it. So if moto flips town, Zenon...

Also to think. Day 2 was Ringo banished from speaking, and Night 3 we have Rondo flipping town. Day 3 Zenon is banished and is coming back the next day. Did mafia banish their own teammate to WIFOM it and to make us all believe Zenon be town because of it? I have to speak my mind that this has the ...

If we lynch JJJ and he is town, we’re left in lylo with flipping moto. If that also flips town, gg zenon.

The most tinfoil detail about Zenon’s claim could be that it’s overpowered. Contrary to JJJ’s ability claim, Zenon would track every visit. And confirmation that there was only one visit, moto’s. If not for this difference, Zenon’s claim would be identical to JJJ’s. There is no way I will trust Zen...

JJJ wolf gambit could have had so many fails on Day 3 already: Zenon could have not been silenced and counterclaim. Another player could have been a (real) tracker and counterclaim. Meatbaby could have properly defended herself, including shedding light that she visited tutuu with another kind of ta...

I am missing the mastermind element behind JJJ’s claim, I really do. You were on heat and wanted to delay things and win one more mislynch, ok, perhaps. But otherwise, it’s no mastermind move. It’s masterdumb. Writing was on the wall for the guy...idk if it was fully happening, but it was closing i...

The most tinfoil detail about Zenon’s claim could be that it’s overpowered. Contrary to JJJ’s ability claim, Zenon would track every visit. And confirmation that there was only one visit, moto’s. If not for this difference, Zenon’s claim would be identical to JJJ’s. There is no way I will trust Zen...

I am missing the mastermind element behind JJJ’s claim, I really do. You were on heat and wanted to delay things and win one more mislynch, ok, perhaps. But otherwise, it’s no mastermind move. It’s masterdumb.

I would argue that punitive lynches are the worst instinct to follow. Zenon’s claim is no definitive proof JJJ was fake.

But I would also argue we cannot leave both claim(er)s unflipped. If we go into Day 5 with two unknowns, it becomes a gamble.

The most tinfoil detail about Zenon’s claim could be that it’s overpowered. Contrary to JJJ’s ability claim, Zenon would track every visit. And confirmation that there was only one visit, moto’s. If not for this difference, Zenon’s claim would be identical to JJJ’s. There is no way I will trust Zen...

The most tinfoil detail about Zenon’s claim could be that it’s overpowered. Contrary to JJJ’s ability claim, Zenon would track every visit. And confirmation that there was only one visit, moto’s.

If not for this difference, Zenon’s claim would be identical to JJJ’s.

I have qualms, general or specific, with the “player X only lynched town, therefore bad” idea. Probably from bias as a frequent town mislyncher, here included.

It’s Day 4. All our lynches were town thus far.

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