The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:56 pm The main reasons I'm not voting Dunya are that I don't see the case on her being forgotten, if we're wrong her mislynch hurts significantly more than a Simon or Wilgy mislynch and I know she didn't save Tony cause Tony is good.

I have zero reason not to vote Simon or Wilgy.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:53 pm

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:50 pm I like Jay. I don’t think he’s bad and I honestly don’t want him to be. I also didn’t buy Lapluie’s case against Dunya until I read LC’s more recent posts on the matter. I think the theory that Lapluie’s gained some knowledge on Dunya’s identity/alignment overnight sounds potentially like it might hold water. I think Dunya is a lovely person (she’s been very kind to me) but I’ll seriously consider this case before voting today.

Really disheartening stuff coming from you of all people. I'm disappointed, Glorf.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:45 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:31 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:29 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:25 pm from the options, I had Marmot and Simon both down as scum reads. I don't feel good about Marmot's self-vote at all though. Like, it makes me question his scumminess.

Give me a town motivation for a self-vote

Based on personal experience, people who self-vote are far behind townies who don't want to impact the thread.

I've seen one case of a scum DrWilgy self vote, on this site, and RadicalFuzz in the vocaroo, and that's it. But Radical did it out of frustration, no one frustrated Marmot to self-vote. So what's the scum motivation for it?

Want some cheese with that wine? A townie who would try to get himself lynched, depriving my faction of a chance to catch a baddie, does not deserve my sympathy. A baddie pretending to do that should not either. I've played games with many a mod who would ban a player for self voting. It's against the spirit of the game 99% of the time. I'm absolutely not going to encourage the idea that it's something townies do or should do.

What would you do about Simon if Eloh was dead or not in the game?

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:41 pm Vote speedchuck then

is this intuition based tunneling based on his reaction to your mislynch or something more?

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:42 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:41 pm Vote speedchuck then

but he thinks I'm town and my ego feels good at having one person itt believe what I'm saying

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:05 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:02 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:18 pm 6 hours left in the day. Frustrating amount of vote spread, little engagement with the voters. Nobody is getting in there and trying to decide who to vote. Everyone just decided, argued their case when questioned, and then sat there.

Start campaigning, darnit!

I know I'm not much better, but I'm being suspected in two games right now, and I don't know which to give priority.

You such bad. Die.

You had such an opportunity to make a difference today, as a trusted voice in this thread, but this is bullcrap. Make a case or GTFO. I'm busy.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:18 pm 6 hours left in the day. Frustrating amount of vote spread, little engagement with the voters. Nobody is getting in there and trying to decide who to vote. Everyone just decided, argued their case when questioned, and then sat there.

Start campaigning, darnit!

I know I'm not much better, but I'm being suspected in two games right now, and I don't know which to give priority.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:26 pm @Sloonei @sig @MacDougall

I assume you guys will be able to use your night actions tonight too? Correct? Since we're in this realm tonight until Day 4. I wonder how the mod will handle that. Have any of you asked? We get results for night actions after end of night so I wonder what happens.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:25 am Speedchuck is still scum

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:24 pm Speed is town. This I believe.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:07 pm @MacDougall @sig @Sloonei I don't believe any of you have answered the question of whether your votes actually count today. Maybe you don't know or aren't allowed to tell us?

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:44 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:36 am *who's immune to scrutiny

Please forgive me, i'm clearly a wreck

We're you spectating after you died? Who's pinged you as a spectator and why?

Same questions to @MacDougall

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:18 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:20 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:15 pm Bleeeeeeeh. @Mac lynch.

I'm definitely not sure how I feel about this post.

Some odd mixture of TMI, guessing your motive, wondering why you thought Kyle would be better, and being annoyed that you didn't make a stronger case on Kyle if you really wanted that lynch.

I think Mac was good and Kyle is bad. Also, lack of flip sucks. There's nothing else to it.

Ultimately, why did you vote for Mac?

The only good feels I have from Mac came from his hard-nosed style. Then I was told that he was like that as both alignments, so I went back to bleh on him.

Worse than Kylemii. Kyle's tone reads as town, though I'm still not seeing the civvie spark from him that I usually do. He 'shines' more in late game anyway, so I'm willing to give him more time.

I moved my vote from Wilgy to Mac so that I could commit, make a statement. I wanted my vote on the record, to weigh in on the choice even though my vote wasn't needed. Seems like a good thing to do, make my vote worth something on the record.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:12 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:09 amA new friend?

the ermac sock

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:55 am okay cool no death and also Sloonei is here again and also we seem to have a new friend?

I have thoughts on the no-kill.

we have no protective roles, at least among the visible powers. technically speaking there could be a role with a bp vest or something but epi has stated his dislike for that mechanic. Idk I guess it's a possibility. Not the point.

Town has 3 visible ways to stop a kill. Or maybe 4 technically?

1. Subzero blocks the killer
2. Sheeva blocks the killer
3. Li Mei swaps goro's target with someone who was going to target the killer with something else
4. Li Mei swaps the mileena's target with someone else's target who was targetting player who would have been the victim
5. there are also some possibilities involving redirecting a Shang Tsung who is copying any of the above roles I guess
6. also maybe someone has a survival thing as a secret power?

The point is, most of those scenarios requires one of our roles to have targeted the killer with power disruption roles last night, which indicates to me that we're probably on the right track with one of our most recent suspicions. So that's where my focus will be today.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:08 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:01 am Speedchuck is scum

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:24 pm “The vote is the most powerful instrument ever devised by man for breaking down injustice and destroying the terrible walls which imprison men because they are different from other men.”

- Former President of the United States, Lyndon B. Johnson

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:23 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:45 am

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:18 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:08 am

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:06 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:44 am Kyle why haven't you voted for anyone yet? You know you can change your vote yeah?

Oh? I don’t think I knew that? I thought voting here was a one time deal?

Also, Hi, Mac . It’s been quite a while...

Hey friendo!

It’s been ages since I’ve played here and I have to admit to being a little surprised how good it feels to be back... I trust you’ve been well and life has been kind to you since we last played?

Been a while for me too. Have a new daughter since we last played!

Has it been THAT long? Congratulations, by the way. I thought from your posts here that you seemed to have mellowed a little - now I can see why... I hope that she and all of you are doing very well.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:04 am

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:36 am

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:47 am @Quin and @Kylemii: I’m still struggling to find where both of you sit in my ‘world of Elven reads’ this game (this is by no means an accusation so there is no need to be defensive). I’m wondering though if you guys would care to (briefly) help me by explaining why I (and everyone else for that matter) should be reading you as Towny?

@Quin: Thanks for your reply, Buddy. I was expecting something a wee bit more inspiring but I’ll take it

@Kylemii: If you’d care to indulge me with an answer, I’d appreciate it. I’d like to invite you into my Town pile and am hoping you can dispel my lingering doubts.

sorry I got pulled off into talking with Mac, and also it's 5am and I should probably be asleep by now, at this point I should probably just stay up since I need to be awake in 2 hours anyways lol.

I guess I would say right now... my willingness to push angles that other people aren't i.e. with the Sloonei thing.

Honestly the strongest indication of my civvie-ness is that my mafia playstyle is prohibitively distinctive. My natural anxiety takes the wheel more than I'd like it to and my activity plummets. It's not a weakness I've learned to overcome yet but when I do, I'll probably be unstoppable.

being town read on day 1 is not really even a priority for me though. I almost prefer not to be. lots of people town reading me early and the mafia responding with murder has been my leading cause of death lately. If I knew a way to float in people's yellows and lighter greens for the first couple days of mafia without sacrificing my ability to be an effective civ player I would 100% use it.

I guess that doesn't really help you with your specific conundrum. if you ask me the same question in 2 days I'll probably have a more specific answer.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:18 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:08 am

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:06 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:44 am Kyle why haven't you voted for anyone yet? You know you can change your vote yeah?

Oh? I don’t think I knew that? I thought voting here was a one time deal?

Also, Hi, Mac . It’s been quite a while...

Hey friendo!

It’s been ages since I’ve played here and I have to admit to being a little surprised how good it feels to be back... I trust you’ve been well and life has been kind to you since we last played?

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 8:06 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:44 am Kyle why haven't you voted for anyone yet? You know you can change your vote yeah?

Oh? I don’t think I knew that? I thought voting here was a one time deal?

Also, Hi, Mac . It’s been quite a while...

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:53 am I want to be clear, I don't necessarily think you're even bad, Mac. I believe Jay and Quin's testimony that this is just how you are usually but I also dont think that going about suspicion like that is particularly pro-town.

but maybe I only view things the way i do because I have a generally careful and calm-minded playstyle. your playstyle seems wildly different from mine and if it works for you then who am I to tell you it's not effective?

I asked for your reads on those 4 players because my knee jerk reaction to seeing a player go about about pursuing a sudden and new suspicion in an overly strong way is to figure out asap who they might be deflecting attention away from someone, the four players I thought of who might be in need of deflection were the four I mentioned, Jake, Made, Sloonei, and LC.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:32 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:19 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:02 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:00 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:55 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:54 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:44 am No, I lied.

I don't think you actually care about the read you've given me so far. That's natural for you in trying to progress Day 0/1 though.

Lynch all liars.

Tell me about Kylemii.

I had a ping at first which I am prone to do when people are being enthusiastic in the way that Kylemii seemed to be (see Sloonei's description) but further posts seem relatively genuine. I don't accept Jimmy's argument for clearing as that's just as likely if not more so just common phrasing that Kylemii uses.

Thank you for the question. What were you expecting me to say?

He's been around as much as the next person so far but hasn't touched on the only suspect (me) yet, and has talked primarily about the poll. I wanted to know if anyone else thought it was worth mentioning.

So given you had some concerns about Kyle and now I have my own, where do you stand on him now?

From me and you alone, he's orange. What I pointed out is reflective of someone not wanting to dirty their hands too early in the game. It's similar to your point that he's playing passively. Things like fluff aren't atypical of him though. I haven't got anything to say about specific posts you pulled out from him.

On the former, I know @Made listed my elaboration of this point of his main reason for reading me as town and I'd like an elaboration as to why and what that means for his read on Kyle.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:29 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:13 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:10 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:01 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:55 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:48 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:46 am MacDougall please tell me what your current reads are on Jack, Made, LC, and Sloonei

What is this trend where players feel like they can just haphazardly make demands of other players like this? I do not like it. It is a very easy way to move the dialogue away from the topic at hand and you have given me no reason for why you chose those four names. Furthermore I have a very recent read on jack and LC so it really feels like you are just trying to change the conversation.

we don't have to change the subject but I still want an answer from you

knowing your current reads on those four players helps me assess your motivation

I question you are genuinely trying to solve anything given you have asked me to provide reads on two players that if anyone was genuinely paying attention would know my position on. Given that I question your motives for asking I will refrain. I hope you understand.

saying you suspect someone doesn't magically relieve you of the responsibility of putting forward effort as a civ.

I don't get the impression that you're actually trying to figure out my alignment. it seems like you've made a decision about me that you're now trying to brute-force into reality.

You are somewhat right. I have read you and determined you as adequately suspect to be pressured.

And I don't see you asking me to give you gth reads on four seemingly random players as my civ responsibility. In fact I see doing so as unresponsive given my opinion of you.

I am completely right. :/

pressuring doesn't mean "I'm going to decide this player I spent 20 minutes thinking about is definitely mafia so I'm going to call them mafia and then ignore all their questions and also not really even ask them any questions"

how do you hope to feel me out in this way? reading and analyzing other players motivations requires an open dialogue, not a battle-axe.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:28 am Mac that yellow pile makes me want to throw up. I want to vomit right now. Actually now I am vomiting. I am puking all over my fingers as I type this. This is so fucking disgusting. I can't believe this is happening. I need to just get up and go to my toilet. I better end this post. Oh my goodness there is puke everywhere.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:44 pm
Glorfindel

Sloonei



novaselinenever
JaggedJimmyJay
Jackofhearts
LongCon
lapluie
Made
TonyStarkPrime
speedchuck
Elohcin
Dom
Gumshoe
birdwithteeth
Simon
Marmot
nutella
sig

Dave
DrWilgy
Quin
Kylemii


Mine.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:02 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:00 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:55 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:54 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:44 am No, I lied.

I don't think you actually care about the read you've given me so far. That's natural for you in trying to progress Day 0/1 though.

Lynch all liars.

Tell me about Kylemii.

I had a ping at first which I am prone to do when people are being enthusiastic in the way that Kylemii seemed to be (see Sloonei's description) but further posts seem relatively genuine. I don't accept Jimmy's argument for clearing as that's just as likely if not more so just common phrasing that Kylemii uses.

Thank you for the question. What were you expecting me to say?

He's been around as much as the next person so far but hasn't touched on the only suspect (me) yet, and has talked primarily about the poll. I wanted to know if anyone else thought it was worth mentioning.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:09 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:05 am I'm not tunneling Jimmy. That's unfair and for someone who influences most of the play to say that is not appropriate. I have made reads on a lot of players and I have given quin lots of time to change my mind too.

That wasn't an accusation or a dig. I don't view tunneling as an inherently bad thing. If you don't think you're doing it, sure okay.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:10 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:01 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:55 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:48 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:46 am MacDougall please tell me what your current reads are on Jack, Made, LC, and Sloonei

What is this trend where players feel like they can just haphazardly make demands of other players like this? I do not like it. It is a very easy way to move the dialogue away from the topic at hand and you have given me no reason for why you chose those four names. Furthermore I have a very recent read on jack and LC so it really feels like you are just trying to change the conversation.

we don't have to change the subject but I still want an answer from you

knowing your current reads on those four players helps me assess your motivation

I question you are genuinely trying to solve anything given you have asked me to provide reads on two players that if anyone was genuinely paying attention would know my position on. Given that I question your motives for asking I will refrain. I hope you understand.

saying you suspect someone doesn't magically relieve you of the responsibility of putting forward effort as a civ.

I don't get the impression that you're actually trying to figure out my alignment. it seems like you've made a decision about me that you're now trying to brute-force into reality.