The Syndicate

Jack came straight back into the thread after just narrowly avoiding being lynched yesterday. The voices in my head are telling me baddies wouldn't insert themselves into the forefront of the day like that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:3J. With that big ol' brain of yours, can you come up with a civ-minded reason that I'd enter the way I did today? No need to share with the class.
You just worry yourself about finding those baddies and I'll worry about what's going on inside my brain.

im gonna take that as a yes k

3J. With that big ol' brain of yours, can you come up with a civ-minded reason that I'd enter the way I did today? No need to share with the class.

Sloonei wrote:I have apparently voted to travel West. I do not recall doing this.

This happened yesterday. I have absolutely no idea where we are in the grand scheme of things. Can someone sum up where we've moved?

I am sorry for being curt. I'm just upset that 3J is going to reclaim his title for most posts given his newfound motivation today.

Golden wrote:This is Jay after he can't post for 24 hours 'give me answers now or I will flip!'

I have thoughts on Quin's entry today but I want to see what others have to say first.

Will I like your thoughts on my entry today?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Quin wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Quin wrote:I would personally recommend you just move on from this conversation, though.
You heard him, guys.

Quin doesn't want to talk about his scum behavior anymore.

Just leave him alone already, okay?

Vote Quin
Because the only thing I could be trying to do in that blatant dismissal is avoid discussion. Okay.
Do tell.

I'd rather not.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Quin wrote:I would personally recommend you just move on from this conversation, though.
You heard him, guys.

Quin doesn't want to talk about his scum behavior anymore.

Just leave him alone already, okay?

Vote Quin

Please justify this. The only controversial thing pointed out is that I don't remember why I didn't trust nutella. Why exactly is that scum behaviour?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Quin wrote:I would personally recommend you just move on from this conversation, though.
You heard him, guys.

Quin doesn't want to talk about his scum behavior anymore.

Just leave him alone already, okay?

Vote Quin

Because the only thing I could be trying to do in that blatant dismissal is avoid discussion. Okay.

I would personally recommend you just move on from this conversation, though.

I'll make this a bit more blatant for you if you aren't satisfied, 3J. Give the word.

Golden wrote:
Quin wrote:Question.

Why am I supposed to vote a maybe-copped person by a player I didn't trust over someone I'd been reading as bad and arguing against the past two days?
Question

Why did you copy my question format?

Question.

Why did you forget the period at the end of Question?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Quin wrote:
Quin wrote:Vote Dizzy, might switch to marmot, for reasons.
What were the reasons?

We are literally talking about them right now.

Question.

Why am I supposed to vote a maybe-copped person by a player I didn't trust over someone I'd been reading as bad and arguing against the past two days?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:I'll also say that the reason I didn't join her on the marmot wagon at the time was because I didn't entirely trust her at the time. I did consider it though.
Why didn't you trust her?
Don't remember.
You suspected nutella might have information on Marmot, suggested you might move your vote accordingly but didn't, because you were wary of nutella for reasons you don't remember. Instead you tried to lynch the easiest target available via the counterwagon to the potentially information-exposed (in your mind) bad guy.

Vote Quin

I still don't remember.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:I'll also say that the reason I didn't join her on the marmot wagon at the time was because I didn't entirely trust her at the time. I did consider it though.
Why didn't you trust her?

Don't remember.

Quin wrote:Vote Dizzy, might switch to marmot, for reasons.

I'll also say that the reason I didn't join her on the marmot wagon at the time was because I didn't entirely trust her at the time. I did consider it though.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
At this point I am highly in favor of a Marmot lynch, not only because he is my top suspect but because I think his flip will be very, VERY telling in regard to several other players. I am less confident in my suspicion of INH and it largely depends on whether MM is bad. I strongly believe lynching MM is by far the most productive thing we can do today.

Golden, if by some miracle you're still here and see this, if you trust me I very strongly recommend that you join me in voting for MM.
The second one, predominantly. I hope it speaks for itself.

linki: I am confirming a role blocker, or another role.
At what point did you first consider that she might have information on Marmot?

When I read the second post.

At this point I am highly in favor of a Marmot lynch, not only because he is my top suspect but because I think his flip will be very, VERY telling in regard to several other players. I am less confident in my suspicion of INH and it largely depends on whether MM is bad. I strongly believe lynching MM is by far the most productive thing we can do today.

Golden, if by some miracle you're still here and see this, if you trust me I very strongly recommend that you join me in voting for MM.

The second one, predominantly. I hope it speaks for itself.

linki: I am confirming a role blocker, or another role.

I didn't believe INH. He said he made a poor case to give her a degree of NK protection, but I thought it was good. I'm clearly a special kind of idiot.

linki: Pulling up the posts now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:This flip makes me want to reassess things. I thought nutella was a plain cop.
What did her potentially being a plain cop mean to you before which now needs to be reassessed?

It doesn't actually mean anything, I got too excited.

I was under the impression that she had information on marmot on Day 2. I thought that Sloonei's trust in nutella was less legitimate just now, but since I thought it, it's not impossible he thought it too.

Confirming shenanigans last night.

This flip makes me want to reassess things. I thought nutella was a plain cop.

intriguing

weak-ass case but didn't express any suspicion of me for taking it and running with it

ok what

nutella wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:If I die, I targeted Quin, then Nut.

I'm not claiming doctor.
So what are you claiming?

Great taste.

Fredwood wrote:If you're a LMS, why would you so aggressively pursue someone who was at least 50/50 supported as town?

This is why I don't believe it.

speedchuck wrote:What is lms

Survive to win.

I don't believe it. Vote INH

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:My face when Soneji's vote is pointless

I could CFD Soneji. Scotty's the other option, but I'm not an asshole.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:Maybe I would be up for a CFD. I disagree with Jack's philosophy of community > winning in this specific context, but I can understand it and I'm a sucker for a good appeal.
I would like it more if it wasn't the exact same thing I said earlier in the game about Nacho.

I could lynch INH though. He's staring at this EOD madness and _________________.

I'm expecting a wall post.

Maybe I would be up for a CFD. I disagree with Jack's philosophy of community > winning in this specific context, but I can understand it and I'm a sucker for a good appeal.

I don't think LC is a great choice. I don't know what anyone's beef with him is.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:My read on you started out good as you were scumhunting, went south as we had strategic disagreements about slipgate, further went down when you came up with that tinfoil about Nacho's joke post and how only I would kill him. You've now gone back up due to being copped by a player I trust.
The highlighted portion never existed in this game thread.
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really?
I never asserted or implied that JOH is the only player who'd have killed Nacho.
It does kind of read as though if this were a BTSC slip, it'd look bad for you because of your part in what he's saying. If you're not bad, I wouldn't actually put much stake in it. Unless you think he's straight up lying.
You're taking my wording too literally.

JOH is referring to the work I did early on Day 2 to try to discern what insight could be gained from the Nacho kill. One suspect I named was JOH, he wasn't the sole suspect. His use of the word "only" is a misrepresentation of what I did.
The thing that really gets me is that both Sloonei and Quin said your tinfoil was part of the reason they were voting for me.

It's not the only thing but I hate that it's there. If you had just had a bad tinfoil, discarded it and that was that...okay.

But two players are including a laughable tinfoil as a reason to lynch me. Maddening.

The only thing anyone should take from that tinfoil is maybe a no w/w between me and you.

I asked you to point out which part I brought up in an earlier post was the tinfoil/mistake. I still don't know what you're talking about when you say this.

speedchuck wrote:
Fredwood wrote: Why would there be any indication that you were switched with me? It's a possibility, but is certainly not the only or best explanation for his results. A standard Misdirect, a Controlled Misdirect, a Nexus, a pusher, a mirror a combination of another interaction with Marmot's Busdrive, that are all independent of Eloh's targeting of me.
This is fair. I'm gonna stop townreading Eloh by default.

Still better options for a lynch, and we have 23 minutes left to decide that and talk about items if we want to.

On the item front, I mean, just vote for your biggest civ read unless it sounds like something not so good. I don't think there's a need to throw names out or anything.

Fredwood wrote:
Golden wrote:I feel like fred is sheeping my posts
Lol, if anyone bothered to pay attention to me or do that ISO they promised to, I've been on this from the jump, I believe Speedchuck was the first discussion I had about it.

Fredwood is desperate for some sweet lovin' but he's being avoided like the plague. Poor Fredwood.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Actually, that's a great argument.

Sloonei, we talked about my frustration with HCRealms. Not enough real scumhunting. Not enough participation. I loved the heck out Unfortunate Events. I recruited you over to HCRealms for a game and didn't kill you even though you were far and away the strongest townie and I was scum. Then I recruited Silver and Fred to play here.

Everyone's seen me pushing Fred to give more reads. I clearly want my Realms bros to get Syndicate mafia style exposure.

I didn't kill Silver Lantern. I wanted him to stay alive very badly.
PLZ SLOONEI

SLOONEI PLZ

You know I care more about community than winning. I didn't kill Silver Lantern.

Silver would have killed INH, anyhow, who I am voting for.

There's a line. I'd be inclined to believe this if it wasn't made obvious that Silver was a vig. Would you just never kill him for the sake of community? I don't think so.

@Dys: I don't find his accusations against you to be disingenuous. I agreed with/acknowledged most of them, and I'm getting a good tonal read from him. He hasn't really earned my advocation against his lynch, but I don't think he's a good choice today.

Golden wrote:A couple of other questions for people generally:

1) Marmot claimed to read eloh's meta and say she is more likely engaged when bad. I don't recall when eloh was bad, or how engaged she was. The only time I remember seeing particularly engaged eloh is in smaller games (which she acknowledges she finds easier to keep up in), and I recall her doing it as town. Does anyone have any insight into whether this meta read from marmot could have been real or not?

Two possibilities: a) marmot moves things away from a teamie, or b) he tries to get cred when she comes back town.

2) I forgot the second one. It will come back to me later.

In ASOUE she was bad and didn't come across as very engaged. I'm not sure how many posts/content she had, but I don't think it was much.

linki: Because I'm practically oozing genuinity.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:My read on you started out good as you were scumhunting, went south as we had strategic disagreements about slipgate, further went down when you came up with that tinfoil about Nacho's joke post and how only I would kill him. You've now gone back up due to being copped by a player I trust.
The highlighted portion never existed in this game thread.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH

really?
I never asserted or implied that JOH is the only player who'd have killed Nacho.

It does kind of read as though if this were a BTSC slip, it'd look bad for you because of your part in what he's saying. If you're not bad, I wouldn't actually put much stake in it. Unless you think he's straight up lying.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:My read on you started out good as you were scumhunting, went south as we had strategic disagreements about slipgate, further went down when you came up with that tinfoil about Nacho's joke post and how only I would kill him. You've now gone back up due to being copped by a player I trust.
The highlighted portion never existed in this game thread.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH

really?

speedchuck wrote:
Quin wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
juliets wrote:I haven't read INH. I know he built a case on Dyslexicon which I read and found to be lacking. Is the case abasing him that he argued a case that went against Marmot? Is there anything else to consider?

linki - nutella i see your point about him not showing up today

more linki
There's nothing else INH has done but pursue Dizzy.

Even if he's wrong on Dizzy and Marmot, he's not playing like a townie.
Why is INH not playing like a townie?
Because he's not town?

oh ok thanks

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
juliets wrote:I haven't read INH. I know he built a case on Dyslexicon which I read and found to be lacking. Is the case abasing him that he argued a case that went against Marmot? Is there anything else to consider?

linki - nutella i see your point about him not showing up today

more linki
There's nothing else INH has done but pursue Dizzy.

Even if he's wrong on Dizzy and Marmot, he's not playing like a townie.

Why is INH not playing like a townie?

Dyslexicon wrote:
Quin wrote:
juliets wrote:I haven't read INH. I know he built a case on Dyslexicon which I read and found to be lacking. Is the case abasing him that he argued a case that went against Marmot? Is there anything else to consider?

linki - nutella i see your point about him not showing up today

more linki
I didn't find his Dizzy case lacking at all. The only thing I wouldn't at least acknowledge is his argument that she was buddying Golden.
*holds tongue*
*rolls eyes*

juliets wrote:I haven't read INH. I know he built a case on Dyslexicon which I read and found to be lacking. Is the case abasing him that he argued a case that went against Marmot? Is there anything else to consider?

linki - nutella i see your point about him not showing up today

more linki

I didn't find his Dizzy case lacking at all. The only thing I wouldn't at least acknowledge is his argument that she was buddying Golden.

Quin wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:
speedchuck wrote:Fred, we had a claim of a redirected watcher night one. By definition, a redirecting role usually hits the roles it redirects to.
The watcher, after redirected, only saw Eloh. Thus, Eloh is probably redirector.

Granted, we may not trust the watcher (Golden), or clusterfuck rules might apply, but it's a pretty good bet that Eloh is redirector. Scum wouldn't have two of them, probably. Thus, Eloh is prob town.
Redirector is usually anti-town role though? I won't clear Eloh based on these loose assumptions. The setup is ??? at this point. What reason would a town!Eloh not following the thread have to riderect Golden to Fred. That's just really random.
I think there would be a big balancing issue if there were two roles capable of redirecting targets/roles in some way on the same mafia team. If Eloh isn't town, she's either on a second mafia team or indy.

If we're assuming we've got her role pegged right, what's the issue in her picking Golden/Fred/3J if she's picking randomly?

ebwop

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Quin

But you need to think I have teammates if you think I'm mafia.

I don't think you think I have teammates. I don't think you think I'm mafia.

I don't have to justify an entire mafia team before getting any kind of result just so I can vote for you. I'm not that good at this game.

I think you're bad. That's good enough for me.

Dyslexicon wrote:
speedchuck wrote:Fred, we had a claim of a redirected watcher night one. By definition, a redirecting role usually hits the roles it redirects to.
The watcher, after redirected, only saw Eloh. Thus, Eloh is probably redirector.

Granted, we may not trust the watcher (Golden), or clusterfuck rules might apply, but it's a pretty good bet that Eloh is redirector. Scum wouldn't have two of them, probably. Thus, Eloh is prob town.
Redirector is usually anti-town role though? I won't clear Eloh based on these loose assumptions. The setup is ??? at this point. What reason would a town!Eloh not following the thread have to riderect Golden to Fred. That's just really random.

I think there would be a big balancing issue if there were two roles capable of redirecting targets/roles in some way. If Eloh isn't town, she's either on a second mafia team or indy.

If we're assuming we've got her role pegged right, what's the issue in her picking Golden/Fred/3J if she's picking randomly?

I don't suspect INH.

The voices in my head told me to say that.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Quin wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Quin wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Quin wrote:
GTH reads after everything that's happened today, with a few exclusions.

Civ:
INH
Marmot
Long Con
Silver
Golden
speedchuck
Scotty

Bad:
3J
JOH
Sloonei
nutella
Dizzy
Fredwood
How much do you still agree with this rainbow, Quin?

Literally one of my supposed scumbuddies is undecided on me. The rest are saying I'm at the top of their scum list.

Who are my buddies? (Trick question. I don't have any. Answer anyway.)
Quin?
nutella, dizzy and Jay went up. Adding Eloh up as a civ. Scotty moved down. Removing Long Con entirely.
And my buddies? You're still voting for me aren't you?

Who are my teammates? Scotty, Sloonei and Fred?

Name one player you honestly think could be my scum teammate.
metalmarsh89
For anyone keeping score at home, this is the point where Quin fell into the orange.

I remember tunneling town(ish) Quin. Not lazy town Quin.

I don't need to have an argument about who your teammates are to find you suspicious.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Quin wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Quin wrote:
GTH reads after everything that's happened today, with a few exclusions.

Civ:
INH
Marmot
Long Con
Silver
Golden
speedchuck
Scotty

Bad:
3J
JOH
Sloonei
nutella
Dizzy
Fredwood
How much do you still agree with this rainbow, Quin?

Literally one of my supposed scumbuddies is undecided on me. The rest are saying I'm at the top of their scum list.

Who are my buddies? (Trick question. I don't have any. Answer anyway.)
Quin?
nutella, dizzy and Jay went up. Adding Eloh up as a civ. Scotty moved down. Removing Long Con entirely.
And my buddies? You're still voting for me aren't you?

Who are my teammates? Scotty, Sloonei and Fred?

Name one player you honestly think could be my scum teammate.

metalmarsh89

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