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by TonyStarkPrime
Sun Mar 24, 2024 5:42 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D2)

all I can say is we better hope there are two wolves
by TonyStarkPrime
Sun Mar 24, 2024 5:42 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D2)

every so often I have the thought of "ah I'm second-posting people are gonna think I'm a wolf" and then I remember it's because no one else is here.
by TonyStarkPrime
Sun Mar 24, 2024 5:37 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D2)

but don't think it's logically conclusive and I think the implied premise is false
by TonyStarkPrime
Sun Mar 24, 2024 5:36 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D2)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sun Mar 24, 2024 5:17 pm If nothing else, civilian Long Con rarely responds to suspicion in this way.
don't entirely disagree.
by TonyStarkPrime
Sun Mar 24, 2024 1:36 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D2)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 11:52 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 11:49 pm I don't quite think that Long Con has demonstrated the earnest concern about his status that w!LC tends to betray but I'm not really sold on that being a reason not to vote for him
What's your impression of Epignosis?
who knows
by TonyStarkPrime
Sun Mar 24, 2024 1:03 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D2)

the question is at what point do the wolves decide that it's in their best interest to start targeting the low-posters in order to reveal the gerat hope that they might find themselves, and quickly, with a decisive advantage
by TonyStarkPrime
Sun Mar 24, 2024 1:01 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D2)

The most generic team of three that comes to my head would be Long Con + falcon45ca + [low activity player of your choice]. Perhaps there's enough thread here for me to assess if these kinds of teams can be viably constructed (or refuted), but I'm not optimistic. generic team indeed. could prove ac...
by TonyStarkPrime
Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:36 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D2)

gonna out more mech stuff I guess, everyone who gets put on the stand should at least strongly consider claiming kagemusha, depending on their relative game position. game theory works out that way. The PRs have to do it, the wolves then have to do it, at which point the town have to do it to provid...
by TonyStarkPrime
Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:24 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D2)

i mean how tf can you role claim without character claiming with two of the roles being open
by TonyStarkPrime
Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:24 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D2)

not even gonna wait to out game state knowledge that if jay leads a chop on a relatively high activity player and they flip town then jay will almost invariably be up the next day. The game mechanics strongly incentivizes choosing a suspect and pushing them with some combined force. Claims and count...
by TonyStarkPrime
Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:21 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D2)

no solid read on falc
by TonyStarkPrime
Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:20 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D2)

How about a baseline question to gauge our view of things: Are the mafia in this game active, inactive, or a reasonably even mix? The answer to this question ought to dictate our collective mindset, I think. If we just shrug and let things go as they go, the default future is likely to kill another...
by TonyStarkPrime
Sun Mar 24, 2024 12:17 am
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D2)

SLiP ALERT SLIP ALERT SLIP ALERT (jk)
by TonyStarkPrime
Sat Mar 23, 2024 11:49 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D2)

I don't quite think that Long Con has demonstrated the earnest concern about his status that w!LC tends to betray but I'm not really sold on that being a reason not to vote for him
by TonyStarkPrime
Sat Mar 23, 2024 11:47 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D2)

someone ask me why I didn't vote PA and I'll give the same answer
by TonyStarkPrime
Sat Mar 23, 2024 11:47 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D2)

My first thought is that it seems unlikely a mafia team with Simon in it views Scotty as the best Night 1 kill (Scotty was virtually alone in reading Simon as a civilian). Don't mind this as NKA but in the absence of a positive reason I can't find it convincing. What do you mean by a positive reaso...
by TonyStarkPrime
Sat Mar 23, 2024 11:41 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D2)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 10:58 pm My first thought is that it seems unlikely a mafia team with Simon in it views Scotty as the best Night 1 kill (Scotty was virtually alone in reading Simon as a civilian).
Don't mind this as NKA but in the absence of a positive reason I can't find it convincing.
by TonyStarkPrime
Sat Mar 23, 2024 11:36 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D2)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Mar 23, 2024 10:56 pm This is the first time in a long while that I have forgotten about a game during a night phase, but it seems I am not alone. I'll have to scrounge together some motivation.
I thought the day started at a different time than it did because of the time change
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:29 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

not like wholly an emoji read but mostly wholly an emoji read
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:29 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

yeah, it's true, it's a towny thought, you'd think it if you were town, but I don't really imagine you posting it if you were town I don't care. I have posted things like that so many times as town. I don't even know if it's true. It's narcissism. it's about the wording a bit more than the idea
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:29 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

Long Con wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:28 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:27 pm yeah, it's true, it's a towny thought, you'd think it if you were town, but I don't really imagine you posting it if you were town
Why not? It's intended to shame-inspire the rest of us.
yeah maybe good point
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:28 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:26 pm If there are three mafia, a random vote would have a 23% chance of killing mafia.

My mental model of the game arbitrarily estimates a 35% chance of PA flipping mafia. Everyone else would be less. Poopy, but there you go.
yeah sounds about right
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:27 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

yeah, it's true, it's a towny thought, you'd think it if you were town, but I don't really imagine you posting it if you were town
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:27 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:23 pm I wonder how many posts this thread would have right now if I was mafia. Or if I wasn't in it. :goofp:
god do I hate posts like this
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:12 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

Not that that’s a good thing
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:12 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

I'm going to be straight: I have no clue about this game. My reads do come from my brain, but they feel barely better than arbitrary. I am not even close to finding comfortable footing or knowing what I am doing in this thread. While that is attributable to some degree to the state of the thread it...
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:11 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

As Daniel Negreanu says, everything you do at the mafia table conveys information. Can’t be loosey goosey eating a sandwich
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:10 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

Ok I’m gonna say it — feels likely that Moto has BTSC as far as I can tell. Yes I’m aware that outing this information could be seen as anti-town and that anyone choosing to act on it in thread may reveal more information than is prudent to reveal. Yes I’m aware that at a level 1 reading this phras...
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 7:21 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

Got concerned that Leetic was 3-posting for a second there
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 7:20 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

I think I’ve got long con reading down lemme read his sevenish posts
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 7:19 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

now time to out the Jay scumread probably but like I’ve been lampshading it and I also think he has probably the right read on the game so it’s hard to complain too much What is my read on the game? Going by your no/yeses and also your general statements of coherent game relevant information, even ...
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:18 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

Scotty wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:15 pm TSP pushing against voting the counter wagon to himself is a choice. Definitely something I would do as wolf to appear town, but is that something he would do?
Well now I’m pushing it as a wagon but I hear what you’re saying about it.
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:13 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

3 in game
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:08 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

We haven’t played together in a long time and we’re both (I think) independently rusty so it’s hard to get a solid read
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:08 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

now time to out the Jay scumread probably but like I’ve been lampshading it and I also think he has probably the right read on the game so it’s hard to complain too much
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:06 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

isn’t(?) being sated?
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 6:01 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

Vote: Simon
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:58 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

But I don’t think she’s getting out of POE and I don’t think she’s a PR and that’s good enough
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:57 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

Do I think she’s a wolf? Eh.
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:55 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

falcon45ca wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:53 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:34 pm Ok update I’ve read P_Abi posts and I now think she’s a fine vote
What's your fav wolfy post by the Princess?
Not about posts. I was concerned about the fact that it’s possible that she did not have time to claim and was not going to be around.
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:54 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

Ok I’m gonna say it — feels likely that Moto has BTSC as far as I can tell. Yes I’m aware that outing this information could be seen as anti-town and that anyone choosing to act on it in thread may reveal more information than is prudent to reveal. Yes I’m aware that at a level 1 reading this phrasi...
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:37 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

Moto Moto
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:35 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

Scotty wrote: Fri Mar 22, 2024 1:15 pm Nah, that’s more of a joke vote but it’s not as funny as I remember. I do want to hear from sig tho

I just looked again through TSP’s iso and it reads like a henna tattoo. I ain’t paying full price for that

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine
what does that even mean
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:35 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

I have developed an impression that Scotty might be schmoozier with me when he is mafia than when he is town. It may be Ted Lasso Mafia bias, or it may be meaningful. I believe it also happened in the ancient times (Easter Mafia). :ponder: He opened by being schmoozy with me. :ponder: :ponder: I th...
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:34 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

Ok update I’ve read P_Abi posts and I now think she’s a fine vote
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:33 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

Epignosis wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:18 pm If JJJ is mafia, his partner(s?) is quiet.
Everyone is quiet
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:33 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

Agree with father that of the children Simon strikes me as the most wolfy
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:32 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

Dichotomy between falc and tsp wtf
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:31 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

Yes I’m aware of the situation
by TonyStarkPrime
Fri Mar 22, 2024 5:31 pm
Forum: The Heist
Topic: Kagemusha (ENDGAME)
Replies: 1681
Views: 10851

Re: Kagemusha (D1)

I don’t think abi is a good vote

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