The Syndicate

I mean look, seriously - this is what the two of you had to say about the same post.

Enrique wrote:Golden that post looks super desperate... like you reallyyy wanna end the game just now.

Dom wrote:

Golden wrote:dom, if you can't see every word of that post isn't true, you only prove you, not me, are not cop.

Our current goal is to eliminate Scarecrow because many of us cannot win without eliminating each other or eliminating him. It is easier and more mutually beneficial to eliminate him. Now, you are supposing we lynch two to three people who are 100% not Scarecrow. Okay, but what is the plan there? To allow him to target more people? To allow baddies to kill more people?

Why are you for the killing of more people than is probably necessary?

So, really, what am I supposed to do with that?

I think its hilarious that, from the same post, Dom takes 'You want to do too many unnecessary lynches' and Enrique takes 'you want to end the game too quickly'.

For me, that basically says it all about how some people perceive me. Perhaps you could both read the post again and see it for what it really is: 'putting the neutral facts on the table without specifically advocating for either'.

Dom wrote:You are also misrepresenting why people cannot win right now. They can't win because of the Scarecrow. I don't think many cops know if their target has been killed yet.

I mean, what even is this. You know this is just blatantly not true. I am not misrepresenting that cops cannot win if their inmate isn't dead. It's a fact.

And I don't think many know if their target has been lynched either, but that doesn't change whether or not they will win.

I named a total of only four inmates we might need dead. Scarecrow, Bane, Riddler, Freeze. The others either no townie needs dead or we think they already are.

What about that is untrue or a misrepresentation? Like, literally find one thing in that entire post that was. And if its 'townies only need Scarecrow dead to win', well... I know who is misrepresenting and it isn't me.

Oh, sorry, when I say I don't know if anyone needs him dead, I mean any townie.

Matt obviously does (or else MP), but I don't know if Matt is town-aligned or not.

OK, Dom, tell me which people do you know are civilians, who you know have been targetted by the Scarecrow, who you know what the target was they need dead, and you know that target is still alive?

Cos you know what? I personally don't know if anyone needs Scarecrow dead EXCEPT his equivalent cop.

Here is what you said:

Dom wrote:I'm down for lynching bad guys, but a lot of civs can't win if we end the game right now.

Excuse me for not presuming that you exclusively meant the Scarecrow, and that any other civilian who wants their inmate dead should get fucked. I had taken the charitable meaning, and assumed you simply meant we should go indy hunting.

What followed was my analysis of where we are at as a town in terms of each cop's ability to win.

If you want to see that as shady as fuck, I can't stop you. If you want to lynch me, go ahead. I've already said I think it's good to get me out of the way. If you actually think I am inmate or bad, then get on with it and lynch me tomorrow.

I will continue to focus on Falcone. My apologies for indulging you and going on to a foray into how to maximise the number of townies who get to win.

Dom it was you not me who pointed out a lot of civs can't win if we end the game right now. Either you care about other civs winning the game or you don't, but you can't be half way. I'm advocating only one thing... Making sure Falcone doesn't win. If people think they can identify and lynch scarecrow, all power to them.

But you can't have it both ways. You started this conversation by criticising me for wanting to lynch baddies when some civs can't win. You can't also criticise me for taking that seriously. Some cop needs each Indy dead.

Enrique wrote:Golden that post looks super desperate... like you reallyyy wanna end the game just now.

Then lynch me. But anyone who wants to critique the concept of making sure the civs actually win should be considered suspect in my eyes.

Linki @lorab. No, dom

Or maybe you could spell it out so I can point out what you're missing? People tend to read in to my posts things that are never there.

Dom wrote:

Golden wrote:

LoRab wrote:@Golden: Who do you need dead to win because of Scarecrow?

Mac. I'm done. I'm pretty sure I win if Falcone dies. But I still want to help other active civs.

Which inmate are you?
Or are you Falcone?

No Dom. As I've made clear many times, I am a cop. But by all means, lynch me tomorrow to prove it.

dom, if you can't see every word of that post isn't true, you only prove you, not me, are not cop.

LoRab wrote:@Golden: Who do you need dead to win because of Scarecrow?

Mac. I'm done. I'm pretty sure I win if Falcone dies. But I still want to help other active civs.

Dom wrote:

Golden wrote: Lynching some of the absentees might not be a terrible idea. Each of them could be inmate, but they could also be townies that we no longer need to lynch their inmate equivalent.

Yes. I mean, call me cutthroat, but I don't care if equivocate or ekeknat lose the game even if they are cops.

Oh, I get it lorab. It's because bubbles also had 5 votes that day and I think her teammate is likely to be amongst the df voters to try to save her.

I haven't looked at the links to the others on that vote yet, but I'm already familiar with yours. All your consisten questions to bubbles and focus on bubbles throughout the game could be genuine, but it could also be distancing, so in my opinion you could work as a teammate.

That doesn't mean I think it is you. It does mean I don't feel strongly about ruling you out as I do Dom and svs and mp and all the non-contributors.

What are you thinking, dom?

LoRab wrote: I'm confused by the "you wouldn't want me around and having to be lynched at lylo." I honestly don't think that you were bubbles' partner. You were way too overt in your defense of her for that to be the case. But this post confuses me. So, if you're civ, then why would we need to get rid of you at lylo?

I just mean that confronted with the massive amount of defending I did of her, would people really not lynch me at lylo? And I know if they did, the town would lose. I don't want the town to lose, and don't want to be a distraction in that sense when it counts.

linki @LoRab - DF was mafia, but DF was on the other side.

Dom wrote:I'm down for lynching bad guys, but a lot of civs can't win if we end the game right now.

Do you want to risk none of them winning? I don't desperately...

It's a tricky situation, the biggest concern for me would be ending up seeing Falcone win by doing this.

Civs shouldn't lose this game (as a team) from here. If my inmate isn't dead, I'm ok with that.

But.. there probably isn't too much harm in taking out a couple of specific people if we felt they were inmates.

I would like to remind people that Catwoman is inmate 3 and Two Face is inmate 6, so there are no townies who need either of them dead to win.

We know the Joker is gone, we think Poison Ivy and the Penguin are gone. I personally think Ra's Al Ghul is gone.

That leaves us with Bane, the Riddler, Scarecrow, and Mr Freeze. Does anyone have evidence Freeze has been around recently?

Lynching some of the absentees might not be a terrible idea. Each of them could be inmate, but they could also be townies that we no longer need to lynch their inmate equivalent.

I will say, I think there is a decent chance that the Bubbles partner is amongst the DF voters:

DFaraday
5
Typhoony (7), Bullzeye (8), Enrique (10), LoRab (12), Golden (17) 26%

I look bad on pretty much every level here, but once again LoRab doesn't look great. The least I can do is check the attitudes of the rest of these three to bubbles as well.

Epignosis wrote:

Bubbles Was Good...

...until she wasn't.

Bubbles has been lynched. She was a Cop working for Falcone. It is now Night 10. You have 23 hours to submit your PMs.

Which Cop number?

Well done.

I figure I'll probably be lynched tomorrow, but I'm not Falcone. It's probably better to lynch me, too. You wouldn't want me around and having to be lynched at lylo.

I now don't think dom is Falcone either Dom is the only one I'd exclude entirely right now, but I'd have to go back and look. I still think LoRab is a genuine option, she has focussed on Bubbles an awful lot this game.

If you are going to lynch me tomorrow, I'll make sure to do a rainbow list before I'm gone.

One baddie to go, guys, and definitely an active one. We can win this

Dom wrote:"I think you're suspicious because you're blendy. I don't have to back up my opinion because it's subjective."
Looks like we can just vote whoever we want, without any reasons, and bingo! It's okay because reasons.

Dom, it doesn't matter what my response was to your request, you would have had a snide response about why that couldnt' be right. It's exactly why it isn't worth my effort.

Like I say, how do I quantify that you are blendy? What do you expect me to do? If you think blendy is an objective standard, what exactly is that standard?

Plus, being blendy is just something I said I felt you were today, and has patently not been my case on you or the reason I want to vote for you, so lets not go pretending it is.

Dom wrote:So, Golden, you gonna qualify your claim that I'm blendy or nah?

Qualify it how?

I couldn't tell you a thing you've stood for in this game, before lynching Bubbles. When I hit GTH on day 6, I found you the most unremarkable and hardest to remember anything specific from you.

I have found you blendy this game. It's a subjective standard. I don't have to prove it.

And yesterday

No-one has actually bitten either time, though.

Dom wrote:

Golden wrote:

Dom wrote:Unless he's Bubble's teammate

I am neither bad nor inmate, but I don't care if I'm lynched provided people listen to me and lynch you the day after.

And if I'm right about Bubbles?

Then, as you've asked like about three times and I've answered about three times, I will say you are not bad.

To be clear, too, LoRab, I don't think you are her teammate. I just think that is more likely than her teammate going 'oh, LoRab is a girl' and her immediately apologising for getting your gender wrong in the thread. Even if she does come back bad, I think she made that little correction all on her own.

Dom wrote:Unless he's Bubble's teammate

I am neither bad nor inmate, but I don't care if I'm lynched provided people listen to me and lynch you the day after.

Yeah, but I then realised she couldn't be Scarecrow.

None of that is different, LoRab. I feel exactly the same way as I felt then. I don't think it's a good lynch. As you've seen, I haven't opposed it, I've voted that way. There is enough doubt. But I don't think it is a good lynch, based on a good case. I think, at best, there are some factors which mean there is a chance she is bad.

If she is bad, I think she is a recruited cop and her first post came while she was genuinely civilian.

@Lorab - there is a big difference between a case having some aspects of merit and it being strong. I feel like there are some kernels that don't shut the door on her being bad. That's the best I can feel about this lynch.

I was only implying your glee at survival

DharmaHelper wrote:Going to vote for Bubbles now

That grin...

I voted for Bubbles because you said please.

OK, I'll vote Bubbles. Whatever my own personal view may be on her, I think a bundle of people cannot move on until she is lynched. I don't like it, I hope if she is civ next time people will remember to stop suspecting her for the same reasons every single game, and remember I've had an accurate read on her every game up until now too.

And on the bright side, if I'm wrong, I will stop trying to lynch Dom, so it works from that perspective too.

I hope you are right, SVS.

@Matt. There are only two mafia left at most. At least one is sending in kills.

Matt wrote:

Golden wrote:I won't hold votes to ransom

But how about a Dom vote?

How about a Bass vote?

I'd sooner vote bubbles than bass. Like, bass ekeknat and equivocate are at this point entirely pointless votes. I may not feel that way later, but I do right now.

I won't hold votes to ransom

But how about a Dom vote?

S~V~S wrote:Sometimes I just really believe things to be true in my gut that I can't prove. You know this to be true.

I do. You and I are alike that way.

I hate it when people sound so sure, like SVS. Makes me think their case is a cover for info, and so makes me paranoid, and wonder if I am just being too stubborn and not listening.

I think the case on Bubbles is poor. But SVS being so certain and writing it in capitals makes me think I could be wrong.

S~V~S wrote:Looking at the Bubbles voters from last time, I would guess it is Juliets

Her & I both have a talent for sockpuppet crossposting

But she hasn't been arrested/lynched in the Sockface game.

This doesn't make sense at all. Why is there a prisoner in this thread?

Wait, it can't be Matt...

Matt, get your stuff together.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Golden wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Guess I'm voting for whoever has the better chance of beating me in a lynch lol

Well, how do you feel about a Dom lynch?

And Matt, how do you feel about a Dom lynch?

Matt thought I was Maroni and he was wrong. Wouldn't it be pants-shittingly fantastic if Dom was Scarecrow.

It would be pretty hilarious.

I really do believe Dom is bad.

I'll be voting DH if it comes down to DH vs Bubbles.

DharmaHelper wrote:Guess I'm voting for whoever has the better chance of beating me in a lynch lol

Well, how do you feel about a Dom lynch?

And Matt, how do you feel about a Dom lynch?

S~V~S wrote:Good point. I never think of bad blockers blocking bad people

But totally based on my knowledge of DH, I don't think he would have targeted Golden night one, I thinkit would have been me or maybe Typh. Based on history.

I think DH would have just as easily targetted me night one. I feel like he is one of the more likely candidates in that regard.

As mentioned by me in response to you when I said he points out rule 12... about 10 minutes ago

Matt wrote:

Golden wrote:Lets vote Dom?

Where's Dom been? Don't tell me he's been silenced today.

Nope

Lets vote Dom?

Matt wrote:

Golden wrote:

Matt wrote:WHOA

Light bulb.

Enrique/Bullzeye's back and forth on the low posters...

Since we established that the hosts let DF send in the kills while Floyd was alive (presumably), we can also assume that the hosts would also allow Falcone to send in the kills even if their theoretical no show partner was alive, as well, right?

Yes, Matt. We already established that many times over, as per Dom pointing out rule 12 at the start of day 10.

Lol. Okey dokey, well consider me caught up then.

Matt wrote:WHOA

Light bulb.

Enrique/Bullzeye's back and forth on the low posters...

Since we established that the hosts let DF send in the kills while Floyd was alive (presumably), we can also assume that the hosts would also allow Falcone to send in the kills even if their theoretical no show partner was alive, as well, right?

Yes, Matt. We already established that many times over, as per Dom pointing out rule 12 at the start of day 10.

DH was also a pretty unanimous baddie read back on GTH day 6.

I think people are fixated on bubbles even though there is quite literally no difference between this and all her civvie appearances, and saying you are focussing only on her posts this game and ignoring her content in other games doesn't do any favours to figuring out her affiliation, in my opinion.