The Syndicate

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Dom wrote:Bass-- do you have any idea why MP made contradictory statements and didn't answer my questions? Any explanation would be nice.

If I had to guess I would say real life was messing his game up.

fingersplints wrote:Were you bad then, LC?

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote:Bass-- do you have any idea why MP made contradictory statements and didn't answer my questions? Any explanation would be nice.

Why would he have an explanation?

Actually, this reminds me of when TH replaced in for Roxy in Film Directors. Dom was suspicious of Roxy, so he essentially asked TH to reread Roxy and make a case on her (himself).

Btw, Dom was bad in that game.

Noteworthy. LEt's remember this in the future in case it becomes relevant, since MM won't be around to remind us. Sorry, Marshy, I believed in you. Not 100% a dick.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Dom wrote:Bass-- do you have any idea why MP made contradictory statements and didn't answer my questions? Any explanation would be nice.

Why would he have an explanation?

Actually, this reminds me of when TH replaced in for Roxy in Film Directors. Dom was suspicious of Roxy, so he essentially asked TH to reread Roxy and make a case on her (himself).

Btw, Dom was bad in that game.

DFaraday wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Epi is certainly taking an interesting approach to defending himself. I was thinking of voting MM, but Epi's behavior is giving me pause.

Linki MP: I didn't read into it. I thought Mongoose was joking and Liz seemed to think she meant it.

For the record, Epig's reactions are a result of the item I hold (a bottle), not necessarily true.

Ah, that does make more sense. But I will still consider LC's case against Epi a bit more before deciding where to vote.

LC literally stated his case on Epi and voted for Epi in the same breath. Didn't even wait to hear Epi's response or the responses of others. Does that seem like a genuine case?

It does seem rather shady, and it does lend some credence to the idea that LC is trying to save his teammate MM.

Bah, I need to stop wavering back and forth. I think there's a more solid case for MM, so I'll just go ahead and *vote MM*

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Long Con wrote:Ok, so I had a plan here. My plan was to try and bolster the BF suspicion a little in order to make it seem like a BF lynch is a possibility. The next step was to watch and see who voted FIRST for BF, my logic being that IF BF has an item that could identify a baddie, the baddies would want to get a hold of it. Even if it's not pointing to The Millionaire, the baddies might want to grab it just because they aren't sure.

So S~V~S has voted for BF now, and she has been one of BF's biggest detractors all along. I'm not so sure if this plan of mine is credible, but I wanted to share it anyways.

In the beginning, I was "after" BF just for the plan, but now I'm actually suspicious of him. And if he's a baddie, then S~V~S deserves no suspicion for being the first voter.

I was feeling the Dom vote, but actually his explanation (that he saw juliets as buddying up to Civs with the "us" comment) makes sense to me.

My other likely vote then, is Metalmarsh, for his self-vote. Still deciding between him and BF right now.

Do people actually believe this?

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Are there any further questions, bitches?

Your gameplay seems to have ramped up to a more aggressive and less participatory style. Your last few posts seem like a forced less-serious attitude. Ever since I accused you. I guess it's one way to try and get out of being caught.

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend. Did you have a question for me?

Epignosis wrote:Are there any further questions, bitches?

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Epignosis, would you recommend a lynch for Turnip Head today? Do you think Turnip Head is bad?

Absolutely. Fuck that guy. He needs to go.

In fact, I've been watching him carefully. He's been agreeing with me like Basmati rice. He just says whatever he thinks I want to hear. I would love to see him probed on the Montel show. I would like to see his reaction to learning that he is, in fact, not the father, and then we should take him outside and beat hell out of him for being so evil. Yes, I think Turnip Head is bad.

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:One thing that does make me possibly doubt Metalmarsh is a baddie is that he and BR have a recent history with regard to Night 1 kills of BR by MM's baddie team. BR got revenge on him in Donner Mafia, killing him as soon as she got a chance to, and I just don't know if I believe he'd be so eager to jump back into killing her on Night 1 again. I mean, he's an asshole, sure, but is he 100% a dick?

What's this?

You call MM out when he self votes, but when Black Rock gets killed, you think he'd be less than consistent?

Seems like you're trying to...*ahem*...weasel your way out of voting for MM again.

Did you kill BR to try and frame Metalmarsh?

Yes. I killed BR to try to frame Metalmarsh. I entirely agree with what you are saying. It makes so much sense. I don't know why I did it. I guess I just thought, at the time, you know, that killing Black Rock would be a sensible thing to do, and that it could land MM in a lot of hot water. I didn't mean to cause any harm though. I'm really sorry. I just want people to be happy. If it makes you happy to vote for me, that's cool.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Interesting...the longer you lasted, the more roles you could step into and thus increase your chance of winning.

Not me, I knew my goose was cooked as soon as the BTSC groups all excluded me. I knew that if I didn't get killed Night 1 (which I was), I would be lynched Day 2. So I ran with it.

I remember saying something about being excited to play with you again. I rescind that statement.

I asked Black Rock who she wanted to die.

Everything makes sense now.

Turnip Head wrote:Now that's a post right there. Takes you smoothly from Point A to Point B.

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:One thing that does make me possibly doubt Metalmarsh is a baddie is that he and BR have a recent history with regard to Night 1 kills of BR by MM's baddie team. BR got revenge on him in Donner Mafia, killing him as soon as she got a chance to, and I just don't know if I believe he'd be so eager to jump back into killing her on Night 1 again. I mean, he's an asshole, sure, but is he 100% a dick?

What's this?

You call MM out when he self votes, but when Black Rock gets killed, you think he'd be less than consistent?

Seems like you're trying to...*ahem*...weasel your way out of voting for MM again.

Epignosis wrote:Hahaha- and Black Rock is out Night 1. That's even funnier.

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:One thing that does make me possibly doubt Metalmarsh is a baddie is that he and BR have a recent history with regard to Night 1 kills of BR by MM's baddie team. BR got revenge on him in Donner Mafia, killing him as soon as she got a chance to, and I just don't know if I believe he'd be so eager to jump back into killing her on Night 1 again. I mean, he's an asshole, sure, but is he 100% a dick?

There's only one way to find out for sure.

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:I voted Archer Ave because maybe my Ivory Arrow will become cool.

Dom, I think that you have explained yourself sufficiently, and there is still a ping on you from it.

For all I know, I could have been absolutely right about your intentions with the "us" comment, and you're a baddie, and you came up with a very reasonable explanation for the whole exchange. It's not like that's not within your mental capabilities. The explanation was sound, but that doesn't make the original ping get deleted.

I find that the earliest thing people say on a subject is the most useful, because after it happens, explanations and excuses swirl and form that could be fake or real. You can talk your way out of anything, and that's something important to remember.

What would you do if you felt like someone was outright misrepresenting what you were saying? You would let it sit?

rabbit8 wrote:Discretion? That sounds awfully like baddie speak.

You didn't want to save civvie BF? That sounds awfully uncivvielike.....

Turnip Head wrote:Think about this this way Canuck. LC suspected BF. According to his early morning mixup, he still suspects BF. BF got a bunch of votes before LC voted.

So why did LC vote for MM?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't have any explanation other than this.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:^^Teamwork makes the dream work.

I recommend everyone self-vote on this Day 1. It's hip adn funky.

Linki: I don't really know why. It was an impulsive decision.

To which you responded to immediately, so you did see it. Sorry, but I don't have a "good-civvie-indicative-reason-with-lots-of-logic-behind-it-and-even-a-hidden-gambit-to-draw-out-baddies-and-protect-someone" type of reason, so don't be expecting one.

Epignosis wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:Lulz. Good morning, LC. Here's a coffee

You know it's Monday when you run the water through the coffee pot with no coffee actually in it.

Canucklehead wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:LC said he was suspicious of BF. I was not suspicious of him. Why would I vote for someone I'm not suspicious of? And why wouldn't LC vote for someone he was suspicious of?

I was just more suspicious of Metalmarsh. I still am. The BF suspicions remains as well. When I voted MM, there was still plenty of possibility for others to vote for him as well, and lynching him. That was less likely to happen if I just hopped on the bandwagon and voted for BF.

Wait, you're still suspicious of bf? Didn't bf just get lynched? As a civ?




I know I'm only skimming along......but did I miss something big here re: bf?

Turnip Head wrote:LC said he was suspicious of BF. I was not suspicious of him. Why would I vote for someone I'm not suspicious of? And why wouldn't LC vote for someone he was suspicious of?

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:As for me, I haven't been drinking tonight, though I have been indulging in some Girl Scout Cookies.

Avoiding?

Avoiding what?

Turnip Head wrote:As for me, I haven't been drinking tonight, though I have been indulging in some Girl Scout Cookies.

thellama73 wrote:

LizKeen wrote: Based on the night post are we supposed to be asking questions of Mr. Fung?

Couldn't hurt.

Turnip Head wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I'm people.

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:While we're at it Long Con, what are your thoughts on me right now, now that it's post-Day-1-obligatory-vote-the-self-voter-day?

I still think you could be trying to squeeze a little life out of it as a baddie this time.

rabbit8 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Black Rock is dead. That's why.

Aw, if my linkitis worked I would not have entered that quasi-humourous non-committal answer.

What would you have entered if it had worked?

Epignosis wrote:So MetalMarsh goes and votes for himself. Again.

Zombarella wrote:I kinda hoped that smiley would have a bigger blush

Here:

Epignosis wrote:Black Rock is dead. That's why.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Golden wrote:

Long Con wrote:He wants me to play Epig's mindgame first.

I want you to play epi's mindgame, please...

I shouldn't have to be the only one whose played.

Here is something for you, though, LC. I said, on day one, that we should be very wary of voting for self-voters, because they might be the millionaire and fishing for votes to make them more powerful. Why didn't you take that into account?

Fine, because you said 'please', and in the interest of finding out where he's going: I have voted for metalmarsh before for repeatedly self-voting. Epig knows this already because it happened in the game he hosted. In that game, I posted my opinion about the repeated self-voting practice, quoting from the Film Director's game which was, I believe, my original statement on the subject on The Syndicate. The basis of this opinion was formed long ago on Lostpedia, when a player there self-voted every time on Day One.

Epig knows all this already, and lied about not recalling me doing it before. I don't know what his angle is, or why he'd lie about it, but the fact that he lied about it makes me wary of responding the way he obviously wants me to.

I didn't take that into account, Golden, when I voted. It's a fine theory, but it didn't cross my mind during the time I voted. Perhaps we should all pile on the votes to the lynch leader as a general rule in order to minimize the Millionaire's advantage.

You were Judge Doom in Roger Rabbit. I looked up Film Directors to see how you voted when you were good. You voted A Person for self-voting. What I'm driving at is this: The past few games, good or bad, you've preached on holding people responsible for how their consistencies. I thought about this, and wondered if the "standard operating procedure" bug has bit you. Good or bad, you've voted self-voters- that has become YOUR thing.

Here, there's an incentive to get votes on one player. If Metalmarsh was that player, and you were a teammate, that's a brilliant opportunity, is it not?

Absolutely, if the roles had ended up with MM as the Millionaire and myself as his teammate... but that is not the case here.

You make a good point though, in a more general sense. It's not fair for me to keep voting for self-voters. I see it as a pro-Civvie thing to do, and so I do it when I'm a Civvie for the right reasons, and when I'm not - as Judge Doom, I did it because I wanted to be playing my Civvie game. But, I see now that it actually makes me no better than the chronic self-voters themselves... well, maybe a little better, because their self-voting never helps the Civvies, while my crusade does have potential to help a lot.

I'm not planning on voting for you anyway. There's a rather obvious reason why.

Why's that?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:While we're at it Long Con, what are your thoughts on me right now, now that it's post-Day-1-obligatory-vote-the-self-voter-day?

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Golden wrote:

Long Con wrote:He wants me to play Epig's mindgame first.

I want you to play epi's mindgame, please...

I shouldn't have to be the only one whose played.

Here is something for you, though, LC. I said, on day one, that we should be very wary of voting for self-voters, because they might be the millionaire and fishing for votes to make them more powerful. Why didn't you take that into account?

Fine, because you said 'please', and in the interest of finding out where he's going: I have voted for metalmarsh before for repeatedly self-voting. Epig knows this already because it happened in the game he hosted. In that game, I posted my opinion about the repeated self-voting practice, quoting from the Film Director's game which was, I believe, my original statement on the subject on The Syndicate. The basis of this opinion was formed long ago on Lostpedia, when a player there self-voted every time on Day One.

Epig knows all this already, and lied about not recalling me doing it before. I don't know what his angle is, or why he'd lie about it, but the fact that he lied about it makes me wary of responding the way he obviously wants me to.

I didn't take that into account, Golden, when I voted. It's a fine theory, but it didn't cross my mind during the time I voted. Perhaps we should all pile on the votes to the lynch leader as a general rule in order to minimize the Millionaire's advantage.

You were Judge Doom in Roger Rabbit. I looked up Film Directors to see how you voted when you were good. You voted A Person for self-voting. What I'm driving at is this: The past few games, good or bad, you've preached on holding people responsible for how their consistencies. I thought about this, and wondered if the "standard operating procedure" bug has bit you. Good or bad, you've voted self-voters- that has become YOUR thing.

Here, there's an incentive to get votes on one player. If Metalmarsh was that player, and you were a teammate, that's a brilliant opportunity, is it not?

Absolutely, if the roles had ended up with MM as the Millionaire and myself as his teammate... but that is not the case here.

You make a good point though, in a more general sense. It's not fair for me to keep voting for self-voters. I see it as a pro-Civvie thing to do, and so I do it when I'm a Civvie for the right reasons, and when I'm not - as Judge Doom, I did it because I wanted to be playing my Civvie game. But, I see now that it actually makes me no better than the chronic self-voters themselves... well, maybe a little better, because their self-voting never helps the Civvies, while my crusade does have potential to help a lot.

I'm not planning on voting for you anyway. There's a rather obvious reason why.

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Golden wrote:

Long Con wrote:He wants me to play Epig's mindgame first.

I want you to play epi's mindgame, please...

I shouldn't have to be the only one whose played.

Here is something for you, though, LC. I said, on day one, that we should be very wary of voting for self-voters, because they might be the millionaire and fishing for votes to make them more powerful. Why didn't you take that into account?

Fine, because you said 'please', and in the interest of finding out where he's going: I have voted for metalmarsh before for repeatedly self-voting. Epig knows this already because it happened in the game he hosted. In that game, I posted my opinion about the repeated self-voting practice, quoting from the Film Director's game which was, I believe, my original statement on the subject on The Syndicate. The basis of this opinion was formed long ago on Lostpedia, when a player there self-voted every time on Day One.

Epig knows all this already, and lied about not recalling me doing it before. I don't know what his angle is, or why he'd lie about it, but the fact that he lied about it makes me wary of responding the way he obviously wants me to.

I didn't take that into account, Golden, when I voted. It's a fine theory, but it didn't cross my mind during the time I voted. Perhaps we should all pile on the votes to the lynch leader as a general rule in order to minimize the Millionaire's advantage.

You were Judge Doom in Roger Rabbit. I looked up Film Directors to see how you voted when you were good. You voted A Person for self-voting. What I'm driving at is this: The past few games, good or bad, you've preached on holding people responsible for how their consistencies. I thought about this, and wondered if the "standard operating procedure" bug has bit you. Good or bad, you've voted self-voters- that has become YOUR thing.

Here, there's an incentive to get votes on one player. If Metalmarsh was that player, and you were a teammate, that's a brilliant opportunity, is it not?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I think MM is the Millionaire, and I think Con is in on it.

MM's self vote feels opportunistic, coming on the heels of two other self-votes, a full 48 hours before lynch deadline. He didn't show up in the thread at all until I called him out, 48 hours after the game had started. After his self-vote, he continued posting, but not with much frequency. And then he suddenly became outspoken during the Night phase. Something's rotten in the state of Marsh.

Despite the fact that LC was suspicious of BF, he voted for MM well after it was clear the lynch was heading BF's direction, which makes it seem disingenuous to me. In that scenario, LC should have voted for a player he was suspicious of with the most votes, due to the presence of the Millionaire, meaning he should have voted BF if he was legitimately suspicious of him.

Long Con wrote:Also, have fun with the Ivory Arrow, Ichabod. I hope it is one of the five Treasures of the Orient. I think it's more likely that Ichabod took the Arrow because it sounds like it could be one of the Treasures. If Tim Waldo is the one who stole it, well, dumb move pal, because it really doesn't do anything.

So the Blond Beast of Bremen is now in possession of Black Rock's Two-Headed Elephant charm. I don't know if they did that to screw with the Celestials, or what... I think the Five Treasures are probably the Green Jade Hand, the Silver Buddha, the Two-Headed Elephant charm, the Ivory Arrow, and the Ivory Ball. Maybe the Silver Coin or the Amber Necklace.

Llama, do the Celestials know the five items they're looking for? Interesting if they do, because perhaps they would have gone for those items in the first poll.

From what I have read about HSKeeler, he likes to make seemingly important things be useless, while seemingly unimportant things are actually of utmost importance. So maybe the five Treasures are
the Clock, the Handkerchief, the Juju Berries, the Bottle, and the Nothing.

So you're speculating about Celestial business, while casually implying that you could be a Celestial by your item choice. Seems legit.

Very interesting, TH. I will think on this some.

Him going over the Celestial stuff reads more to me like someone trying to deflect attention in the thread to another topic. Assuming the rest of what you are saying is true.

me going over the Celestial stuff was a result of me getting my Ivory Arrow stolen. And why would I try to roleclaim a role on a BTSC team that I'm not on?

To make us think you were on that team, instead of potentially being MM's teammate.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I think MM is the Millionaire, and I think Con is in on it.

MM's self vote feels opportunistic, coming on the heels of two other self-votes, a full 48 hours before lynch deadline. He didn't show up in the thread at all until I called him out, 48 hours after the game had started. After his self-vote, he continued posting, but not with much frequency. And then he suddenly became outspoken during the Night phase. Something's rotten in the state of Marsh.

Despite the fact that LC was suspicious of BF, he voted for MM well after it was clear the lynch was heading BF's direction, which makes it seem disingenuous to me. In that scenario, LC should have voted for a player he was suspicious of with the most votes, due to the presence of the Millionaire, meaning he should have voted BF if he was legitimately suspicious of him.

Long Con wrote:Also, have fun with the Ivory Arrow, Ichabod. I hope it is one of the five Treasures of the Orient. I think it's more likely that Ichabod took the Arrow because it sounds like it could be one of the Treasures. If Tim Waldo is the one who stole it, well, dumb move pal, because it really doesn't do anything.

So the Blond Beast of Bremen is now in possession of Black Rock's Two-Headed Elephant charm. I don't know if they did that to screw with the Celestials, or what... I think the Five Treasures are probably the Green Jade Hand, the Silver Buddha, the Two-Headed Elephant charm, the Ivory Arrow, and the Ivory Ball. Maybe the Silver Coin or the Amber Necklace.

Llama, do the Celestials know the five items they're looking for? Interesting if they do, because perhaps they would have gone for those items in the first poll.

From what I have read about HSKeeler, he likes to make seemingly important things be useless, while seemingly unimportant things are actually of utmost importance. So maybe the five Treasures are
the Clock, the Handkerchief, the Juju Berries, the Bottle, and the Nothing.

So you're speculating about Celestial business, while casually implying that you could be a Celestial by your item choice. Seems legit.

Very interesting, TH. I will think on this some.

Him going over the Celestial stuff reads more to me like someone trying to deflect attention in the thread to another topic. Assuming the rest of what you are saying is true.

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I understand where you're going with this Epi, and I would like to hear LC's answer to the question.

Your turn.

I said that so you would respond to him. It's Epi's turn again if we're going in order. I have my thoughts, but I still need to see where this discussion is going.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Zombarella wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:How many degrees are in a triangle?

180

That's what you've done with BWT. :P

Bad math joke.

Golden wrote:I would like to say at this juncture, that when I asked LC if he had read day one, I was not getting in his face.

thellama73 wrote:

S~V~S wrote: Linki @ Canuck~ I replied to her 2 posts ago,or so I thought I think I lost a giant post. Hopefully it is still in cache.

It is in the Flash signup thread.

Zombarella wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:I am now going to go with Spacedaisy to her wedding dress fitting and then I have a girl scout meeting at my house and then my son's 13th birthday party. So I won't be around today so that I can respond to every possible suspicion against me so that probably makes me bad too.

Here's what I think. I think that BF might be bad and is trying to get a civ lynched or he's a civ that came in playing this game all wrong (re. Golden), got some heat, and then decided to switch the heat to me by lying or telling the truth or both. Huge question, why didn't he vote for me so that he could get the money he claims he gets when I die???

Killing someone for their money is an inherently bad thing to do. I don't think most players would want to appear that cut-throat. Perhaps it could have been done if BF had not told us about the will situation... he could have come after you, even if he's a Civvie, with secret greed motivations.

Either way, I'm going to vote for him.

My game strategy going forward: I want to look at people who don't read the thread. As I baddie I knew who the civs were so I didn't have to read the thread to try to figure out who was who. On Day 2 I'm going to have an eye out for players who obviously don't know what has been said or claim to be too busy or drunk or whatever to catch up. I'm busy, and I've read all 18 pages of this damn thing! So there!

Zomba out.

+1 I like this, that sounds like a smart way to play.

This is my official "buddying up to Zomba" post, just to make it easier for later when someone accuses me of it.

Thanks. That was easy.