The Syndicate

sig wrote:So Say We All

RIP marmot he was dead as soon as the old presidents laws were gone.

truth - way to keep yourself alive as long as you could though newt.

ObscureAllure wrote:

Golden wrote:Hey gang,

Admiral Adama here. Weird couple of days, huh? It's starting to seem like everyone is a cylon except for me, ya bunch of creepy space robots! Well listen here. I'm your Admiral, proudly so, and that means I have to take it upon myself to facilitate peaceful communication between the humans and the space robots. I require that everyone state clearly and publicly what the believe the allegiances to be of the following likely cylons: Epignosis, DrWilgy, and Glorfindel. This is a direct order, and know that I am giving it with the best intentions. No exceptions. Everyone must submit a response before the end of the day or I will be forced to take action with my rightful authority as Admiral. Thank you for your cooperation.

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So Say We All!

Epignosis (Town)
DrWilgy (Mafia)
Glorfindel (Mafia)

why specifally do you see wilgy and glor as mafia? Please forgive me for missing it - you've spent more time insanified than not this game.

You seem to be allowed now again at night to speak clear and free - why is epi town and glor and wigly bad?? and why when you were insanified your clear posts were all kinda about bea being bad?

while you can - if you really think I am bad - present a case. I'm happy to address concerns - I won't chase shaddows of "bea is bad for no reason"

Golden wrote:The president of the colonies has enacted a new law:

Wills of the Dead Act: Deceased players will have their last will and testament publicly read. Any deceased players may send one sentence to the host each night to be published in the thread the following day, which may be on topic but may not be longer than 25 words. All sentences received will be published together and will not be attributed.

I'm curious as to what the dead have to say.

I know that rez hubs are rez hubs.

Outside of that - it feels like truely dead can talk. And I truely don't care if they were cylon or human while they were alive - I care about how they can help the most of us win.

I will adore day of the dead!

rabbit8 wrote:So yeah, I voted for sig to save my own ass. Anyone who can't understand that and thinks there was some case I made on him, well.....

wabbit -I ask you tried and true. Do you see what I was saying or do you still think I was buddying bad?
at this point in my catch up you have not addressed me after making a fairly large case - and after me responding. I don't know what to make of any of that. Are we good? I feel like we should be on the same page? If there's something I'm missing please clue me in. Cuz I really really think that you and me and svs could all be civs. I know it's crazy talk. but possible...

Super linki - so say we all!


Dear Admiral Adama - I belive it is very likely that epi, wigly and glor are all town cylons.
I truely believe that Cavil and his followers aren't going to be as easy to find as the ones who last second claimed.


I'm a human civ and I was opposed to the claiming. For a long time. I think the evol cylons claimed early and have been mislynch riding this. See my posts about wtf is going on re: lorab. re: sig the day he claimed re: glor the day he claimed.

I think - honestly all we've done is maybe clue cavil into the cylons he needs to be rid of.

but you know...wtf do I know? I'm just dumb drfunk bea... buzzing around...queen nub for a reason.

(and really queen nub. All the roles I thought I knew were flipped 16 ways from sunday this last day cycle.)

G-Man wrote:So say we all.

Alright folks, here's six days worth of technicolor vote breakdowns. I fixed Day 4 per Golden's authoritative list. Still no official list on Day 5 or 6, so I am just assuming that Bea's vote for Glorfindel Day 6 counted.

Teamwork behavior can't stay hidden in the voting forever (it's how we got our groove back in Biblical, true story), so let's dig in and examine our suspects. We have plenty of them. What you want to do is look at when a person votes and who they vote for. Also pay attention to the voting happening around them, both before and after. This is why I have two lists formats. One is just voting order but the other chunks voters together by who they voted for.

Look at everything- clusters of votes for the same person, clusters of votes that go back and forth, gaps between votes for the same player, votes that seem to mark a shift in momentum. Put on your tin foil hats and try to see how your top suspects could be the baddiest baddie that ever was bad. The trick is to not focus too much on just one day of votes. If you think you see something suspicious, take it to the next level and compare that day's votes to the next day. You may find suspected teammate behavior confirmed or called into question by what you see.

I say pick your top two or three suspects, go to town, and share what you think you see in the technicolors. Keep thread content in mind but vote analysis is void of tone interpretation. It's all hard facts. Who voted for whom and when. Share your findings and we can discuss/debate the veracity of what you think you see.

I took the liberty of marking DrWilgy and Glorfindel as Toasters because I think the evidence from the previous two lynches points to both of them being such.

Since I already believe Glorfindel to be a Toaster, I am going to look at the two players who nearly wrecked our chances of confirming Glorfindel's status- DrumBeats and rabbit8.


DAY 1

Spoiler: show

IN VOTE ORDER:

1. EPIGNOSIS (Metalmarsh89)
2. IKA (Vompatti)
3. MATT (Long Con)<----SECRET ROLE-Admiral Cain- Lynched
4. POLO (ObscureAllure)
5. BLACK ROCK (a2thezebra)
6. OBSCUREALLURE (Nerolunar)<----HUMAN-lynched
7. EPIGNOSIS (Silverwolf)
8. DFARADAY (Scotty)<----NK'd
9. RICOCHET (Matt)
10. EPIGNOSIS (Ika)<----NK'd
11. s~v~s (Ricochet)
12. RICOCHET (DrumBeats)
13. MATT (Spacedaisy)<----NK'd
14. LONG CON (sig)
15. METALMARSH89 (juliets)<----HUMAN-Hot Dog- Died in sortie
16. RICOCHET (S~V~S)
17. EPIGNOSIS (indiglo)<----NK'd
18. METALMARSH89 (G-Man)
19. EPIGNOSIS (JaggedJimmyJay)
20. INAWORDYES (LoRab)<----CYLON #3- Lynched

MISSED THE VOTE:
Bea
DFaraday
Inawordyes/DrWilgy<----CYLON #?
Epignosis<----CYLON #8
Glorfindel<----CYLON #?
Nutella<----CYLON #4- Lynched
Sokoth


DISQUALIFIED VOTES:
Black Rock
Polo



PER VOTE RECIPIENT:

1. EPIGNOSIS (Metalmarsh89)
7. EPIGNOSIS (Silverwolf)
10. EPIGNOSIS (Ika)<----NK'd
17. EPIGNOSIS (indiglo)<----NK'd
19. EPIGNOSIS (JaggedJimmyJay)

9. RICOCHET (Matt)
12. RICOCHET (DrumBeats)
16. RICOCHET (S~V~S)

3. MATT (Long Con)<----SECRET ROLE-Admiral Cain- Lynched
13. MATT (Spacedaisy)<----NK'd

15. METALMARSH89 (juliets)<----HUMAN-Hot Dog- Died in sortie
18. METALMARSH89 (G-Man)

2. IKA (Vompatti)

4. POLO (ObscureAllure)

5. BLACK ROCK (a2thezebra)

6. OBSCUREALLURE (Nerolunar)<----HUMAN-lynched

8. DFARADAY (Scotty)<----NK'd

11. s~v~s (Ricochet)

14. LONG CON (sig)

20. INAWORDYES (LoRab)<----CYLON #3- Lynched


MISSED THE VOTE:
Bea
DFaraday
Inawordyes/DrWilgy<----CYLON #?
Epignosis<----CYLON #8
Glorfindel<----CYLON #?
Nutella<----CYLON #4- Lynched
Sokoth


DISQUALIFIED VOTES:
Black Rock
Polo

DAY 2

Spoiler: show

IN VOTE ORDER:

1. A2THEZEBRA (Metalmarsh89)
2. RICOCHET (a2thezebra)
3. NUTELLA (G-Man)
4. LONG CON (Nerolunar)<----HUMAN-lynched
5. VOMPATTI (Vompatti)
6. LONG CON (indiglo)<----NK'd
7. LONG CON (LoRab)<----CYLON #3- Lynched
8. A2THEZEBRA (Matt)
9. NUTELLA (S~V~S)
10. NUTELLA (Silverwolf)
11. EPIGNOSIS (sig)
12. SIG (Long Con)<----SECRET ROLE-Admiral Cain- Lynched
13. NUTELLA (ObscureAllure)
14. NUTELLA (Scotty)<----NK'd
15. LORAB (bea)
16. A2THEZEBRA (Ricochet)
17. EPIGNOSIS (DrWilgy)<----CYLON #?
18. VOMPATTI (Polo)
19. LONG CON (Spacedaisy)<----NK'd
20. NUTELLA (juliets)<----HUMAN-Hot Dog- Died in sortie
21. LONG CON (nutella)<----CYLON #4- Lynched
22. NUTELLA (JaggedJimmyJay)
23. A2THEZEBRA (DFaraday)
24. NUTELLA (Black Rock)
25. NUTELLA (DrumBeats)
26. LONG CON (Glorfindel)<----CYLON #?

MISSED THE VOTE:
Epignosis<----CYLON #8
SokothQultuq


PER VOTE RECIPIENT:

3. NUTELLA (G-Man)
9. NUTELLA (S~V~S)
10. NUTELLA (Silverwolf)
13. NUTELLA (ObscureAllure)
14. NUTELLA (Scotty)<----NK'd
20. NUTELLA (juliets)<----HUMAN-Hot Dog- Died in sortie
22. NUTELLA (JaggedJimmyJay)
24. NUTELLA (Black Rock)
25. NUTELLA (DrumBeats)

4. LONG CON (Nerolunar)<----HUMAN-lynched
6. LONG CON (indiglo)<----NK'd
7. LONG CON (LoRab)<----CYLON #3- Lynched
19. LONG CON (Spacedaisy)<----NK'd
21. LONG CON (nutella)<----CYLON #4- Lynched
26. LONG CON (Glorfindel)<----CYLON #?

1. A2THEZEBRA (Metalmarsh89)
8. A2THEZEBRA (Matt)
16. A2THEZEBRA (Ricochet)
23. A2THEZEBRA (DFaraday)

5. VOMPATTI (Vompatti)
18. VOMPATTI (Polo)

11. EPIGNOSIS (sig)
17. EPIGNOSIS (DrWilgy)<----CYLON #?

2. RICOCHET (a2thezebra)

12. SIG (Long Con)<----SECRET ROLE-Admiral Cain- Lynched

15. LORAB (bea)


MISSED THE VOTE:
Epignosis<----CYLON #8
SokothQultuq

DAY 3

Spoiler: show

IN VOTE ORDER:

1. RICOCHET (Long Con)<----SECRET ROLE-Admiral Cain- Lynched
2. SIG (Scotty)<----NK'd
3. S~V~S (Matt)
4. DRWILGY (Nerolunar)<----HUMAN-lynched
5. LORAB (Polo)
6. LORAB (a2thezebra)
7. LORAB (Vompatti)
8. LORAB (Ricochet)
9. LORAB (S~V~S)
10. LORAB (DFaraday)
11. LORAB (JaggedJimmyJay)
12. BEA (LoRab)<----CYLON #3- Lynched
13. NEROLUNAR (ObscureAllure)
14. NEROLUNAR (Epignosis)<----CYLON #8
15. JAGGEDJIMMYJAY (SokothQultuq)
16. NEROLUNAR (Juliets)<----HUMAN-Hot Dog- Died in sortie
17. NEROLUNAR (sig)
18. NEROLUNAR (Glorfindel)<----CYLON #?
19. GLORFINDEL (G-Man)
20. NEROLUNAR (Bea)
21. NEROLUNAR (DrumBeats)
22. LORAB (Black Rock)
23. LORAB (Spacedaisy)<----NK'd
24. NEROLUNAR (DrWilgy)<----CYLON #?
25. NEROLUNAR (Metalmarsh89)

MISSED THE VOTE:
Silverwolf

DISQUALIFIED VOTES:
SokothQultuq


PER VOTE RECIPIENT:

5. LORAB (Polo)
6. LORAB (a2thezebra)
7. LORAB (Vompatti)
8. LORAB (Ricochet)
9. LORAB (S~V~S)
10. LORAB (DFaraday)
11. LORAB (JaggedJimmyJay)
22. LORAB (Black Rock)
23. LORAB (Spacedaisy)<----NK'd

13. NEROLUNAR (ObscureAllure)
14. NEROLUNAR (Epignosis)<----CYLON #8
16. NEROLUNAR (Juliets)<----HUMAN-Hot Dog- Died in sortie
17. NEROLUNAR (sig)
18. NEROLUNAR (Glorfindel)<----CYLON #?
20. NEROLUNAR (Bea)
21. NEROLUNAR (DrumBeats)
24. NEROLUNAR (DrWilgy)<----CYLON #?
25. NEROLUNAR (Metalmarsh89)

1. RICOCHET (Long Con)<----SECRET ROLE-Admiral Cain- Lynched

2. SIG (Scotty)<----NK'd

3. S~V~S (Matt)

4. DRWILGY (Nerolunar)<----HUMAN-lynched

12. BEA (LoRab)<----CYLON #3- Lynched

15. JAGGEDJIMMYJAY (SokothQultuq)

19. GLORFINDEL (G-Man)


MISSED THE VOTE:
Silverwolf

DISQUALIFIED VOTES:
SokothQultuq

DAY 4

Spoiler: show

IN VOTE ORDER:
1. LORAB (DrumBeats)
2. LORAB (Polo)
3. LORAB (ObscureAllure)
4. LORAB (SokothQultuq)
5. LORAB (a2thezebra)
6. DFARADAY (Metalmarsh89)
7. DFARADAY (Silverwolf)
8. SIG (Scotty)<----NK'd
9. LORAB (DFaraday)
10.DFARADAY (Long Con)<----SECRET ROLE-Admiral Cain- Lynched
11. LORAB (Matt)
12. LORAB (Black Rock)
13. A2THEZEBRA (sig)
14. LORAB (juliets)<----HUMAN-Hot Dog- Died in sortie
15. A2THEZEBRA (Vompatti)
16. SIG (Epignosis)<----CYLON #8
17. LORAB (S~V~S)
18. SIG (DrWilgy)<----CYLON #?
19. SIG (JaggedJimmyJay)
20. LORAB (Ricochet)
21 LORAB (bea)
22. DRWILGY (Glorfindel)<----CYLON #?
23. LORAB (Spacedaisy)<----NK'd
24. SIG (LoRab)<----CYLON #3- Lynched

MISSED THE VOTE:
G-Man



PER VOTE RECIPIENT:

1. LORAB (DrumBeats)
2. LORAB (Polo)
3. LORAB (ObscureAllure)
4. LORAB (SokothQultuq)
5. LORAB (a2thezebra)
9. LORAB (DFaraday)
11. LORAB (Matt)
12. LORAB (Black Rock)
14. LORAB (juliets)<----HUMAN-Hot Dog- Died in sortie
17. LORAB (S~V~S)
20. LORAB (Ricochet)
21. LORAB (bea)
23. LORAB (Spacedaisy)<----NK'd

8. SIG (Scotty)<----NK'd
16. SIG (Epignosis)<----CYLON #8
18. SIG (DrWilgy)<----CYLON #?
19. SIG (JaggedJimmyJay)
24. SIG (LoRab)<----CYLON #3- Lynched

6. DFARADAY (Metalmarsh89)
7. DFARADAY (Silverwolf)
10.DFARADAY (Long Con)<----SECRET ROLE-Admiral Cain- Lynched

13. A2THEZEBRA (sig)
15. A2THEZEBRA (Vompatti)

22. DRWILGY (Glorfindel)<----CYLON #?


MISSED THE VOTE:
G-Man

DAY 5

Spoiler: show

IN VOTE ORDER:
1. SIG (a2thezebra)
2. GLORFINDEL (Polo)
3. OBSCUREALLURE (Matt)
4. DRWILGY (ObscureAllure)
5. LONG CON (Dex)
6. LONG CON (Spacedaisy)<----NK'd
7. DRWILGY (Silverwolf)
8. DRWILGY (Metalmarsh89)
9. DRWILGY (Long Con)<----SECRET ROLE-Admiral Cain- Lynched
10. GLORFINDEL (G-Man)
11. LONG CON (Ricochet)
12. LONG CON (JaggedJimmyJay)
13. GLORFINDEL (Epignosis)<----CYLON #8
14. DRWILGY (Glorfindel)<----CYLON #?
15. DRWILGY (S~V~S)
16. SIG (bea)
17. DRWILGY (Black Rock)
18. DRWILGY (SokothQultuq)
19. DRWILGY (sig)


MISSED THE VOTE:
DrumBeats
DrWilgy<----CYLON #?
Vompatti



PER VOTE RECIPIENT:

5. LONG CON (Dex)
6. LONG CON (Spacedaisy)<----NK'd
11. LONG CON (Ricochet)
12. LONG CON (JaggedJimmyJay)

4. DRWILGY (ObscureAllure)
7. DRWILGY (Silverwolf)
8. DRWILGY (Metalmarsh89)
9. DRWILGY (Long Con)<----SECRET ROLE-Admiral Cain- Lynched
14. DRWILGY (Glorfindel)<----CYLON #?
15. DRWILGY (S~V~S)
17. DRWILGY (Black Rock)
18. DRWILGY (SokothQultuq)
19. DRWILGY (sig)

2. GLORFINDEL (Polo)
10. GLORFINDEL (G-Man)
13. GLORFINDEL (Epignosis)<----CYLON #8

1. SIG (a2thezebra)
16. SIG (bea)

3. OBSCUREALLURE (Matt)

MISSED THE VOTE:
DrumBeats
DrWilgy<----CYLON #?
Vompatti

DAY 6

Spoiler: show

IN VOTE ORDER:
1. A2THEZEBRA/RABBIT8 (Polo)
2. GLORFINDEL (Dex)
3. A2THEZEBRA/RABBIT8 (Vompatti)
4. GLORFINDEL (Vompatti)
5. OBSCUREALLURE (DrWilgy)<----CYLON #?
6. DRWILGY (Obscure Allure)
7. DRWILGY (SokothQultuq)
8. DRUMBEATS (Epignosis)
9. SIG (Metalmarsh89)
10. GLORFINDEL (Matt)
11. GLORFINDEL (insertnamehere)
12. A2THEZEBRA/RABBIT8 (Ricochet)
13. GLORFINDEL (G-Man)
14. SIG (S~V~S)
15. SIG (JaggedJimmyJay)
16. SIG (DrumBeats)
17. BLACK ROCK (Glorfindel)<----CYLON #?
18. SIG (rabbit8)
19. GLORFINDEL (sig)
20. GLORFINDEL (bea)

MISSED VOTES:
Black Rock



PER VOTE RECIPIENT:
2. GLORFINDEL (Dex)
4. GLORFINDEL (Vompatti)
10. GLORFINDEL (Matt)
11. GLORFINDEL (insertnamehere)
13. GLORFINDEL (G-Man)
19. GLORFINDEL (sig)
20. GLORFINDEL (bea)

9. SIG (Metalmarsh89)
14. SIG (S~V~S)
15. SIG (JaggedJimmyJay)
16. SIG (DrumBeats)
18. SIG (rabbit8)

1. A2THEZEBRA/RABBIT8 (Polo)
3. A2THEZEBRA/RABBIT8 (Vompatti)
12. A2THEZEBRA/RABBIT8 (Ricochet)

6. DRWILGY (Obscure Allure)
7. DRWILGY (SokothQultuq)

5. OBSCUREALLURE (DrWilgy)<----CYLON #?

8. DRUMBEATS (Epignosis)

17. BLACK ROCK (Glorfindel)<----CYLON #?

MISSED VOTES:
Black Rock

Look - I know i've had several adult beverages that may make me miss the larger picture - but looking back on your technicolor list - I'm not at all sure what you are trying to say. Even in regards to my votes. And I know why I made each vote I made.

Please explain this to me like I'm a 3 year old. cuz I really kinda am - like alway. I'm a drunk 3 year old or a desperately ingesting coffee 3 year old. Those are my prime mafia times. Probably not the best logicstic times to play the game but it's what my free time affords me.

rabbit8 wrote:So... I accuse Bea, vote for sig cause a commotion, then bea saves the day. Fuck me, just vote me off now.

I'm totally bad.

I had faith in zeebs when she was alive. What you read as me buddying svs and zeeb was me thinking I knew who one of them was and thinking I was pretty positive I was seeing expected civ play from the other. You can do the math on who was who on your own. You're good wif maffs.

As for LC - honestly - you asked and I will answer. I said I was giving him the benefit of the doubt because I started thinking - the way he kept saying that SVS was roleplaying - made me start to question if he was role playing. And *if* he was a civ like he claimed, one role stood out to me as being one that would be all "eff authority" coupled with the insistence that he needed a couple cycles to prove it - and again - thinking of the lore - I could think of one civ role I would very much want to give the benefit of the doubt to. So yea - at the time I didn't vote for him and he died, I was worried that he was role playing Starbuck. Sure, in hindsight that is rediculous sauce and since it so proven wrong by his lynch I never brought it up.

But no - I wasn't lying. I was happy to see Cain go. I hated the martial law and if you go back and look, I know I have said MORE than once that I believe some cylons can be good and that I am a human civ.

If I've missed any concerns you have please let me know. I was doing that from memory.

well now - that was a surprise. - and yea - INH - I know that was way last second. I ment to ask a clarifying question as it was all asploady then got stuck in linki like forever and just gave up and held my breath.

Doh.

I'm confused again. Don't we want glor to be in the lead since he claimed today? So that we know his survival is because he claimed? Wasn't that like the reason some of us were putting pressure on people to claim in the first place?

I feel like I said the same thing last lynch and I think I'm even more confused today as to what people's motivations are.

voting glorbecause I thought that was the point of making him claim and because I'm stuck in linki

Ugh. Wth happened to yesterday? I lost it somehow. Glad for the extra day as I seemed to have decided to sleep through yesterday.

I'm leaning toward a sig vote. His vote yesterday after wilgy claimed is not a good look I think.

Silver - I'm asking soley for clarity - is glor's refusal to claim and answer your questions to your satisfaction regarding claiming your only reason for suspecting him or are there other details I lost in the shuffle? If that's the meat of why you think glor is bad, do you suspect the others who haven't claimed with the same vigor?

Epignosis wrote:FORCE 'EM TO CLAIM, FORCE 'EM TO CLAIM THE NAME OF JESUS!

OH PRAISE GOD

FORCE 'EM TO CLAIM!

Stop being silly. Lynch people you want dead. Stop scheming. I have been against scheming this entire time. Cain is dead. Stop worrying. Stop scheming. Stop plotting. Start just bitching slapping bad guys.

Bitch slap in the name of Jesus.

Jaysus yes.

Black Rock wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Black Rock! I want an update on S~V~S and your accusation of her. What say you?

Sorry, I just spent the last 10 mins screaming at the top of my lungs at my selfish 17 year old. I think LC thinks I went insane.

I do need to get back on that track and expand on SVS. Really a lot of my thoughts are when she first came into the game she seemed to be Anti-Cylon. Like she thought it was the "in" thing. Then when a consensus came in that you were not evil she seemed to jump on the Cylon train. It just seems way to convenient and opportunistic. Which is words I would use to describe Mafia. I also do not trust any other listed Cylons. If the final five are like the final five of the show then I'm not too worried. I really don't know half the shit that's going on. I am with the humans (with the exception of your role), I do not trust Cylons.

I feel like I just did a tangent. My brain is filled with rage. Anyways SVS = opportunistic = no trust.

Although Black Rock =\= trusting Cylons is likely I will vote Dr Wilgy first. I do need to finish my catch up though.

Please show me exactly where svs was opportunistic

sig wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

sig wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

sig wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I was right about LC being confirmed though.

Not really since he wasn't civ.

Was he not? Has this been a confirmed truth, or is it an assumption drawn by people who are pursuing different agendas to the ones LC seemed interested in?

If we say we don't need all cylons dead to win and our win cons change to need them all dead, I'm assuming he wasn't 100% a civ. I'd say LC was an independent. However, whether if he was or not zebra using LCs flip to try and make herself seem good is pingy to me.

Who are your suspects?

You have three minutes.

Blame Daisy for my absences I was watching Firefly :P

I'd say my top three are Wilgy, Zebra, and Polo.
Wilgy for being an outted cylon with uncivvie behavior.
Zebra for her lack of content, proclamations with no evidence what so ever, and lack of game solving.
Polo for his mafiaish behavior, such as wanting to lynch non claimers and him repeatedly asking what players think of a few player. I think that is mafia attempting to start a wagon without directly doing it testing the water so to speak. Plus his actions revolving Wilgy.

I think zeebs has provided content to those willing to see it.

Or you know, they don't so that he takes more suspicion and is the focus of tomorrow's lynch as he inevitably will be if he lives through the night.

Would you have rather I went against my instincts and followed the crowd just to follow the crowd?

Epignosis wrote:

Polo wrote:Zebra ... not as black and white as she makes it seem.

The world has gone mad.

And you wonder why I adore you.....

Ok imma work for realzies this time.

I am perfectly ok with this result!! Estatic actually. Well done dex and especially svs for being right on the money even when few would listen to her.

DrWilgy wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:So you are a toaster then.

I'll never admit it. I'll just end up getting lynched tomorrow. I don't think civs will win if we are chasing our tails.

You are right. I share a desire to get rid of both Cavil and cain. Best guess as to who Cavil might be and why?

You guys. I am not having good feels about a wigly vote now. I think some things are clicking into place for me.

Imma follow zeebs vote.

sig

DrWilgy wrote:

Polo wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Polo wrote:You had plenty of time to declare.

And so did the other six.

Y'know something that confused me about this whole mass claiming thing. Why? what is the purpose? isn't it a tool for both mafia and civilian? why would we want to negate it?

Linki - Me claiming doesn't buy me a day. If you want to wagon onto me tomorrow to find out, go for it. I'll die today unclaimed though.

It's much more of tool for Mafia than it is for Civs. It's only helpful to civs if you're one of the Final Five that is civ-aligned.

I disagree. You'll see that when I die.

Could you explain why you think this now?

I am leaning on a Wilgy vote. Since he was drunk last night and hear now I to want to give him the chance tobrespond.

I said I would give lc a bit of time to prove himself and I'm not as sold on glor as Polo and gman are. If Wilgy ends up sounding sincere to me, I may have to find a place to vote.

I'm in transit atm so when I do get back on here the vote will prolly be quick and ugly.

Posting through any Linkie f I get it as I have to get moving.

As well as why I think zeebs could be off the poll....now I know what lc means about not thinking peeps are reading what he says....

I thought I already gave my opinion on both of those players? Or am I remembering wrong?

Silverwolf wrote:Thanks bea-Yes, that was what I was looking for.

I believe sig is a wasted lynched because he claimed cylon this day phase and therefore won't be lynched if he gets run up and is a cylon and therefore we run into a possilble Nero/Lorab situation at deadline as the second most vote getter will be lynched.

Next phase, given he's claimed this phase, he will no longer have this amnesty and we can lynch him with no issues like this.

I see yours and Dex's point. I will totes admit that I was being stubborn and bullheaded in an attempt to help you realize that those people like matt and polo *have* been claiming that *this* is what we want. We want to vote sig MAKE him claim and either lynch a civ or out a cylon. At least that's how I understand their argument. But also I agree with epi - the talk of the claiming or not is old and keeps forcing us to burn lynches so I'm good with talking about who we think is bad and why.

I'm creeped out that wigly thinks I'm good while most everyone saw me as bad and he has given no reason for it.

ok - I need dinner and sleep. I will try again tomorrow.

Dex wrote:

bea wrote:I'm not sure how a sig vote is wasted?

If we vote to lynch him today and he's a cylon, he doesn't get lynched. If we vote to lynch him on any other day from now on whether he's a cylon or not, it's a lynch.

but again - isn't that WHY everyone was pressuring people to claim? So that we could take someone like sig and vote him and make him pressure claim and see if he lives or dies by his "I'm a cylon" claim? Isn't that how we're supposed to stop cavil??? You do see what I'm saying? How is his non lynch a bad option if we REALLY think the non-claimers MUST be bad for not claiming? Doesn't that do EXACTLY what everyone pressuring everyone to claim says it was supposed to do? Make cylons burn their lynch protect? If we catch a cylon while they are burning it how is that bad or a waste?

It was good enough for D'anna/Lorab. Why isn't it good enough for sig?

a2thezebra wrote:I agree with everything bea has said in her most recent posts.

please know that I mean this with the utmost respect - but I'm slightly weirded out that we see this game as eye to eye as we do.

You're town read of me doesn't worry me as much as wilgly's does. but it surprises me in ways I'm not sure what to do with.

and also thank you for your support.

see silver - I've not gone back to post this for this reason - the oa post I quoted was the first time I'd seen it.

The way linki works is it only shows you the posts you make *at the same time* if you posted before me or after me - I just have to stumble on it. I go in my "catch up" till I hit the last post I made then I'm "caught up." I didn't mean to ask you to repeat yourself 3 times. I just didn't see the first time you asked the thing till I got to it. Ya see?

ObscureAllure wrote:Five bucks says Matt and Wigly have BTSC.

whyfore?

I think that's what you were looking for? Was it not?

I'm sorry - it took me yes - that long to get to your post and yes - I missed this one in linki dispite the fact that I replied to your "you didn't adress it" post - please believe I've responded to everything I could to you as I read it. I promise I'm not trying to mess with you.

Silverwolf wrote:

bea wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Wow, I butchered the hell out of that quote.

Oh well, I think it's clear what I mean.

What's clear (to anyone who wants to really look) is that you completely avoided engaging with any of my points or questions, and moved right to your tired old schtick of "he's misrepresenting! he's discrediting!" But don't worry, I doubt anyone will bother looking.

as much as it pains me to say this, you might be on to sonmething here.

bea-In going through your ISO, I saw this post. You also made a lot of posts agreeing with Long Con or supporting him in some ways-telling him you were listening, etc.

So my question is, do you have a civ reading on Long Con and if so, elaborate on it please?

A lot of your comments are kind of offhand comments that make it hard for me to get a read of you. So if you elaborate on one of your reads, this will help me a lot and I imagine others as well.

Ok - you picked a doozy here so - bear with me.

I have a loooooooong history of NOT ever ever trusting Long Con. Like ever. LIke really really ever. I call him Lucy to my Charlie Brown. And then we had the Champs game where we had that bright second of civ BTS. And even then - ask him it took me AAAAAAGES to trust him. But in light of that, I'm trying to go against every knee jerk reaction I have about Long Con because I realize it's *my* bias that always makes him bad in my head.

Also - he's one of the few people who have acknowledged that you know I'm paying attention even when I go a long time without taking- when everyone else seems to think I'm flaking out and bad. So if he's willing to listen to me - I'm willing to at least listen to him. Also - as I can see how he could be cain. I could see as much as how he's accusing others of "role playing" that some of his earlier behavior that he chalked up to as being "ornery ole lc" (which is honestly prolly true) could also maybe be viewed as "role playing" too - so I'm willing to give him a little rope and some rye.

I get where Dex and SVS are coming from about him and *believe* me my gut wants to jump right into their hunt too - because in my head "a living long con is almost always a bad long con", but I'm trying to learn to get to know the player better. So that the player and the guy I know can start meshing together some. Does that make sense to you?

As for other reads - I think you are civ - and I think SVS, dex and rico are civ. I adore epi and cylon or no I hope he's around at endgame. I lean civ on glor cuz he makes posts like the one I just quoted. I thought matt was civ but I worry about his statement about "toaster sympathizers" and his call to "claimers" to own up and put pressure on people. Because like Rico - I saw this witch hunt coming and no one can deny that's what it's turning into. Good on you and Daisy for saying it won't ONLY be a factor. Now look at matt and polo's posts and say with a straight face they aren't hunting witches. Because they totally are.

I'm not sure about OA and Gman, but I hope they are civ. I think Daisy might be civ. I worry about her focus on me and my "claim" being looking like she's baddie hunting when deep down she knew nothing was going to come of it. Or she really thought it. I'm unsure here. Baddie Daisy has snuck up on me more than once. The kingon is too new to me to get a real handle on and I tried to help him make a post like this one but I failed because he hasn't.

I think zeeb is an enigma this game. I want to trust her. She seems to know things, but I'm not sure how she knows things and I'm not sure where she's coming from. Honestly before Lorab flipped I had her pegged as d'anna. She's keeping her cards *very* close to her chest and I can see civ and mafia reaosns for doing that.

Epignosis wrote:Enough with this claiming bullshit. I'm going to start voting people who keep it up. Get to talking suspects or get to taking my vote.

There's a reason epi is Athena methinks.

Glorfindel wrote:

Matt wrote:Updated list of Non-Claimers

a2thezebra
DrWilgy
Epignosis
Glorfindel
OA
Ricotech
Sokoth
Vompatti

How many players do we have in the game? 24, 25? Two-thirds of the town have agreed that claiming is in the town's best interest, so essentially, all of these players are anti-town as of now.

We need to put pressure on them. Do I think they're all "bad" ? No. Do I think Cavil and/or other bad cylons are hiding in this bunch? Absolutely.

I think we should start with OA, who can't claim cuz of "punishments" but will totes claim if we lynch LC despite "punishments".

ObscureAllure

Linki - Oh okay, nvm now she was "just kidding". Someone help me pressure her please.

So Say We All!

I'm sorry, my friend but you're posting the wrong list... The list that YOU should be posting (that would be infinitely more helpful to us) is the list of players that HAVE claimed in sequence of when they claimed (and preferably with the times they claimed so we can timeline them). Let me make this crystal clear, I'm in no way accusing you of anything but others (like well, umm Polo for instance) who seem obsessed with the first list you posted are I believe leading us down the garden path. What is happening here is what is referred to as selection bias and it's being perpetrated on a Town team that is largely far to accepting of it. Continually posting that list only focuses attention on those that for a variety of different reasons have not claimed.

As I said earlier, it seems only logical to me that the real Baddies have already jumped ship and claimed leaving them time to hide and help drive lynches on those who haven't/won't claim and so gain an advantage over us. I am highly suspicious of those who insist on driving this misguided agenda.

See - posts like these make me not want to lynch Glor.

S~V~S wrote:

Dex wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:I'd also still be willing to lynch Long Con. Black Rock's support of him holds some weight and he definitely is showing a lot of effort and not knowing about certain things that'd I'd expect him too seems genuine but I have a bad feeling about him I can't shake.

Is anyone else willing to vote LC? Can I convince you, S~V~S? It might be good to have the most votes on him before the night is half over, to ensure he won't jump the fleet early and all the votes will count. Assuming he's Cain. Which I do.

I said I would give him time,which to me means until the end of the day. If nothing Cain related happens,I can then more to the next day and wait. I would love to lynch him, but he makes be feel bad, and BR makes me feel worse, but when I was trying to push for that,no one else seemed to be hearing what I was saying, or if they were, they did not agree. This is a huge part of the problem the civs have on this site in general; everyone wants to flog their own suspects, and no one is willing to listen to anyone else. We have one guy going on about JJJ, and tbh, that is the worst possible lynch, imo. Everybody only cares about their own suspects.

This is why I asked everyone to picl their top three last night, maybe we can come to a consensus.

I think Wilgy is likely to be cylon. I thought IAWY was a cylon, the only person who has history with IAWY thought he was a cylon, and Wilgy is not acting like a civ. He is my primary candidate for a cylon.

Wigly calling me good earlier felt like he was saying it so he could be right when everyone lynched me. FWIW.

Long Con wrote:My goal is an orderly, regular Lynch.

That would be different and refreshing.

Matt wrote:I think the claimers need to get on the same page and start flushing out these toaster sympathizers.

If not OA, fine. Even though I currently think she's civ, I'd even be down with pressuring Zeebs to say it. Any of 'em!

None of the non-claimers have yet to give a reason why they think Cylons with a lynch immunity at LYLO is a good idea.

because the cylon holding that lynch immunity at LYLO *could* mathematically be a final 5 member (and you know as well as I do that 4 out of 5 of them were civ aligned and human in spirit to their core) vs x number of Cavil and his cohorts which - if the town quit fighting each other we would hopefully have trimmed Cavli's numbers on by LYLO. But still we keep hunting witches. And hating everyone who doesn't want to claim.

I said it way back when I was accused of role claiming. And really REALLY didn't want to claim. You said you read me but missed me being the only one to answer the question you keep harping on.

But you keep your tin foil hat on matty. We are used to seeing it on you.

And if you want to flush out a "toaster sympathizer" then just lynch me now and be done with it. I'm still what I always claimed to be. A human who can see the potential good in particular cylons. You used to think the same way when we were talking about epi and Athena....

linki - silver -again - I ask you because you are here and now - and because I'm still pages behind and because I probably did see it while I was trying to keep up on a fast moving thread at work when I couldn't comment and ment to bookmark it in my head - and just forgot. Could you please please sum up your worries that I've not addressed so I can address them without ISOing you because I'm still behind and I still haven't eaten today and I STILL want to play the game and do everything I can to convince you that I'm the civ I am. Because I do have to get to bed sometime soon as I have to wake up early and work *another* 12 hour day where I will continue to try to keep up on my phone - not be able to say anything and make 11tymillion pizzas and do the things I have to do. I missed and forgot something. I'm asking for help. I'm not asking for a break. I'm not asking to be let off the hook - I'm just asking you to restate what I missed.

I'm sorry if you think that's too much for me to ask. I don't think I've been rude about it and I don't think that I've asked for anything I wouldn't do for anyone else who asked it of me. And I certainly don't think it's in the least anything more than you've asked the game to do for you.

Silverwolf wrote:I'd also still be willing to lynch Long Con. Black Rock's support of him holds some weight and he definitely is showing a lot of effort and not knowing about certain things that'd I'd expect him too seems genuine but I have a bad feeling about him I can't shake.

ISOing Glorfindel he has a few good posts and explains himself well. I don't like his voting pattern and behavior around lynches however.

Wilgy seems just too unreadable for me and I didn't like IAWY so I guess that's my biggest complaint about him.

bea has just faded fast, I know she's busy but even her last catch up was basically a bunch of nothing, just kind of floating around here and there.

again - if there is something specific you'd like me to respond to - I'm happy to do it. Please do consider I work a 60 hour a week job and often only get 1 day off and sometimes that day and the day I crash and burn and sleep like 16 hours aren't always the same day. I run a business and often have to drop every bit of my free time *including silly things like sleep and mafia* for it.

Silverwolf wrote:

Matt wrote:Updated list of Non-Claimers
a2thezebra
DrWilgy
Epignosis
Glorfindel
OA
Ricotech
Sokoth
Vompatti

Off this list, I'm gonna vote for either DrWilgy or Glorfindel-I will re ISO Glorfindel. Wilgy, I'm not trying to force you into any certain style of play but answering my questions will help me read you better. Glorfindel asked about my suspicions and tried to address them. That's a point in his favor and a negative in yours. Again, I want to get the best read I can on you both because off the above list, one of you two are it, since sig claimed for real and likely isn't a good option now for today because he claimed today.

I'm not going to witch hunt off this list. I'm only gonna pick people on it I'm suspicious of. If the only nonclaimers seem town, then I'll leave them alone.

I still don't understand why sig is a bad vote option if he claimed propper. I thought that's WHY people were trying to get everyone to claim - so that if you suspected the person, you could vote them and if they didn't die - they were cylon.

I KNOW that yesterday I was the the talk of lots of potential votes based on just that reason. Pressure her to claim by voting to see if she lives.

You can't have half a witch hunt afterall... it's the sort of thing one should go all in on.

Matt wrote:

Ricochet wrote:And so the AaronLittleton hunt begins.

I actually wanted to vote you too, and I think more people would be willing to follow that vote tbh, but I don't trust OA in the slightest.

I believe it's convenient that you were "insanified", and I think it's weird you're allowed to talk about only one player. Again, has anyone ever seen insanity work like that before?

I haven't - but it doesn't mean that in a semi-closed set up - with lots and lots of secrets that such a thing *can't* occur.


two linkis I ignored to post and keep trudging along plus dex -

That's where my head was too Dex - we've had 2 contests. Not a streach to think it could be a prize tbh.

Ricochet wrote:And so the AaronLittleton hunt begins.

funny how witch was turned into aaron little.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Metalmarsh89's probably made more posts than I have.

I'd agree with this too. Post more JJJ.

Polo wrote:

sig wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

sig wrote:So I get all this shit for not claiming, then when I do it is a scummy opportunistic move...............

Again someone look through Zebra's posts she has posted almost no content, Polo keeps asking people who they'd like to lynch and why not so and so that is a basic scum move. I use that all the time as mafia.

sig, I'm going to need you to acknowledge the reasons for that suspicion in a way that is not generalized and misrepresentative. Multiple people have been quite clear about why you're still suspicious, and what you just described is not an accurate depiction.

That is one of the reasons started by Scotty/Polo what are the others since I can't recall any real reasons besides the one i states and my push on Epi and other cylons. People just keep repeating I'm bad. And now you're saying I'm fusing myself to Glorf, which isn't true since it looks like it's coming down to him and me atm.

Polo I can't answer that either way it would be infodumping.

linki: Wait what polo? I'm rustled from your general behavior plus when did you say you wanted to vote for her? You've been pushing me and Glorfindel. It has nothing to do with Zebra who you're now saying you want lynched yet voted for someone else super early?

Polo wrote:I'm going with my one of my gut reads. And as gullible as I may be, it's someone who hasn't claimed Cylon yet. Surprising?

Vote Glorfindel

Did not vote nutella on day 2;
Has yet to claim Cylon.

In an ideal scenario i'd be voting Zebra.

I'm gone for the rest of the day.

Over there.

I'll be pushing for anyone who hasn't claimed yet unless they make a very good case on someone else. If the Cylon Amnesty Act is not overturned by the President, the people can make it ineffective. But I do think that there may be a couple of people who can not ever say "I am a Cylon" for role reasons.

Why do you think this? And which roles do you think this applies to?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Zebra's probably posted more content than I have.

I would agree to that.

Post more content newt.

Polo wrote:I'm going with my one of my gut reads. And as gullible as I may be, it's someone who hasn't claimed Cylon yet. Surprising?

Vote Glorfindel

Did not vote nutella on day 2;
Has yet to claim Cylon.

In an ideal scenario i'd be voting Zebra.

I'm gone for the rest of the day.

So if you are voting this early, why didn't you vote your ideal scenario?

ObscureAllure wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Long Con, JaggedJimmyJay, and to an extent Ricochet, are all confirmed town along with at least a dozen other players.

Stop saying confirmed town. Confirmed town either means the thread saw their role OR you're info dumping. But you're not punished so that means you have no actual info to confirm them, so still stop saying it.

Or accept that when she says that she is saying she's sure they are town or she's trying to mess with you and your responses feed into it.

ObscureAllure wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:So Say We All!

Vote sig

Wasted vote. He claimed earlier and even though golden didn't count it, as soon as dig gets back he's going to claim again and be immune.

I'm not sure how a sig vote is wasted? If we think he's cylon - and he does indeed reclaim as golden didn't count it - isn't this scenario EXACTLY what everyone was high pressuring people to claim for was? For proof - use it and be not lynched and we know you are a cylon? Isn't that what the town wanted and demanded that everyone do?

So say we all!

Ok - so I'm in from work - I tried this morning to play catch up to where I was when I took yesterday off (which was habitually just getting to the point of wanting to get on the computer on my day off and work pissing me off *again* multiplied by like every 2-3 hours ALL FRACKING DAY LONG. ) - but couldn't really comment. I'd like to address from memory what I did see and remember from like 12 hours ago. I've tried EXTRA hard on a VERY trying day to keep everything in mind. If I've missed something please let me know.

RIP Scotty. I was leaning civ on you.

Silver and Daisy and Rico have me painted as pretty bad in ways it STICKS with a person and that concerns me as I'm not.

I believe part Daisy's issue was that she thought I fake claimed. I did not. I claimed to be a civ role and *not* one of like 4 civ roles. I think I left all kinds of wiggle room in my claim. Apparently Goldama did too because I have not been punished for what I said. As for OA and her punishment, I can't speak on it because I don't know what she was punished for and I don't see a reason at this moment go back and try to figure it out when I'm three pages down in the thread.

Silver - you asked what I thought given my Yay! I'm caught up post. Was there something you were hoping I would address that I didn't in the several posts I made before that one? If so please highlight it for me. I have very limited free time. Sometimes keeping up is all I can do and I want to go back later and comment but I forget.

Rico - I get that your issue with me is the whole "null read" thing during the post Neuro lynch. I admit - I probably didn't explain myself as well as I should have. At the time I voted Neuro I was at work and skimming the thread. As I understood what was going down, we were trying to split the vote between lorab and someone the thread suspected so that we could confirm that lorab was cylon. There were lots of votes on lorab neuro was the leading CW. I went with the flow of the town. I didn't have a particular read on him one way or the other and I was busy at work. I tried to make the most informed decision I could at the time and that's never easy when I'm busy at work. I feel VERY bad about lynching Saul. I own my vote and I own my statements after it. It is what it is and I'm sorry for it. I am still a civ who made a poor vote under the crunch.

I see BR suspects SVS - which is interesting to me as I've been pretty much town reading SVS - I agree with her mindset lots on the things she has stated and also she's done everything I think civ SVS does. Including *that one thing I don't talk to her about.* Right now, epi has said already what I think. I don't think you are shooting yourself in the foot by saying that you think SVS is bad BR - but I need something more to go on when I'm gut reading her so civ.

That said, the one thing I could point to from SVS pre-me getting home from work has been addressed in the one page I read before making this post and that's SVS's lazor focus on long con. My jury is still out on him SVS - I'm interested in who else you suspect and why. I know you are like a dog with a bone when you think you are right, widen the scope a bit and see what else you see.

KK - back to trying to catch up. See ya'll shortly!

That DEX?!

I've missed you big brother! Don't be bad k?



Also -

Lorab

Because martial law and because I'm not sure if she is bad or not. Just when I think I can be open minded, I see something that makes me all paranoid again and then vice versa. But mostly martial law. Had that not been around I can honestly say I would have given it more time.


linki - you missed one. Please note - I'm not even in danger of lynch todaay - I still just really really don't like the way this went down in principle and did only do it because LC explained it better than the rest about teamplaying.


Also I'm caught up! Yay!

Now dinner. OMG Dinner. I need food.

More linki - not reading. I'm getting near faint from starvation!

ObscureAllure wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:The only players with a reason to want Cain dead are Cylons.

How do you know that?

It's a pretty reasonable conclusion based on Cain's law. Why should any human want Cain dead? I'll eat S~V~S' hat if the goal of almost every human doesn't involve killing at least the 7 Cylons that are evil on the show. Killing Cylons is cool. Present company excepted, of course.

Reasonable? If somebody changed my status like Cain did to the humans, I'd straight up want revenge, victory be damned.

THIS. THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS. WHOLE
LOT OF THIS.

Polo wrote:I've said it about 5 times already, you guys should definitely look into Bea, DrWilgy, Glorfindel and Sig!

They have NOT claimed Cylon, they have NOT voted for Nutella on D2 lynch poll, they have voted for Nerolunar on D3!

Dunno about the rest of the lot - but I do know that it doesn't matter if you say it 1000 times about me. I'm not a cylon. I'm not mafia.

I'm this far in catching up - as such - some thoughts -

I dislike this "being forced to fakeclaim" because it's that. A fake claim. I dislike matt's tactics. I don't want to claim because the cylon amnisty act does not apply to me. I don't want to claim because if you witch hunt me for not claiming then that is your fault for following your paranoia. I don't want to claim because the more you INSIST that I HAVE TO DO THIS THING the more I don't want to do it. Because it feels in my gut that something is wrong with it and while I can't put my finger on what - I can't deny the fact that my tum tum turns with each person who tries to put pressure on me to behave and act a way that goes against my nature to behave and act. I don't want to claim for every reason why Rico has said this isn't a decent course of action.

But - LC - made a decent point in regards to saying it and how not saying it is like when he stole the sortie. I get that logic much more than being screamed at or being told I'm bad for not saying it. So because I try to read everyone's posts, and because LC seems to think no one reads his - I wanted to point out that I still disagree with the idea of forcing people to say it. (And yes matt - I can still want Cavil dead while disagreeing with your methods to getting there) - I will say the damn thing.

I am a cylon

Just got in from work. Sorry I was mia yesterday I got home and died.

oh look! it's wabbit! hi wabbit! Missed you!


back in a few.....

a2thezebra wrote:

bea wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:What you say in-thread can change everything.

What more can I say? I've said before that I can see a set up where out cylons start neutral and are recruited to Cavil cause. It would mimic the infighting the cylons had lore based and still ballance the game.

In a perfect world we find Cavil before he has a chance to damage any cylons but that cause is prolly already lost.

In the meantime I'm hoping that when we do lynch a cylon we are told if he/she is Cavil or not. But given how la flipped, I don't think we will be told.

That wasn't directed at you, that was directed at everyone who doesn't get it yet. You saw my other recent posts right? I don't think you should claim.

I'm never going to claim more than I already have. ; )