The Syndicate

Canucklehead wrote:This game has devolved into nonsense, I see. Are there any sane people left?

thellama73 wrote:You people are nuts if you think MP is bad. I know the guy. I know his style. He is not bad this game.

Zebra, on the other hand, is so aggressively steering the thread that it reeks of desperation. The whole "ZOMG I'M 100% POSITIVE MP IS BAD VOTE FOR HIM NOW!" thing is so transparently trying to stifle discussion and browbeat people into behaving a certain way before they have time to think.

Think for yourselves, folks. Don't take zebra's word for it.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Guys, I swear I'm not bad.

MovingPictures07 wrote:And I really thought sig was mafia, but apparently so did the Empire, and considering sig kept trying to say I was Empire, it's still entirely plausible (and likely IMO) that sig was on the Hutts. Either that or he was a terribly misguided civilian who wouldn't consider that he was wrong.

Canucklehead wrote:Seriously? Not a SINGLE thought on my case?

I'm starting to understand what you high-poster type people are always on about...

MacDougall wrote:MP flips bad: Yeah see Mac, told you he was bad. You are definitely his teammate for sure we're probably not even going to go back and analyse the game because that would be too hard basket so let's just railroad you. Oh check out all the lazy players (scum) just also voting for you because reasons yay. Thanks for helping us lynch a scum.

MP flips civ: Yeah see Mac, the only way you could have argued our case is if you KNEW he was a civ. No it doesn't matter that there are multiple factions and you couldn't possibly have known that. You are clearly a bad guy let's vote for heeeeeee hey look at all the lazy players (scum) just also voting for you because reasons yay. Oh look Wilgy voted 20th on the wagon again how are you Wilgy? Good, yeah just go continuing to throat fuck us we love it yayyyyy.

MacDougall wrote:

Dom wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Also do you know what Occam's Razor is? Because how the fuck is;

"scum keep trying to cause MP distress = scum MP is not"

anti-occam?

There's multiple factions tbh

Your face is a faction.

When I have 3 indications that he was targeted by scum. I'm going to assume that he's been targeted by both factions.

MacDougall wrote:Also do you know what Occam's Razor is? Because how the fuck is;

"scum keep trying to cause MP distress = scum MP is not"

anti-occam?

MacDougall wrote:

sig wrote:Have a Christmas party tonight, so just popping in. If I die tonight remember why, it will be since I'm one of the main players pushing an MP lynch and it is his factions night to kill.

I also am starting to believe Mac is MP teammate as well as Llama. Do I have a bigcase against them? No, though Llama was the first to vote and attempted to form the counterwagon on Zebra, while Mac is know playing into MP attempt to create fear and paranoia that I'm somehow manipulating the game to get MP lynched and redirected the lynch to Golden all in an attempt to lynch MP, or some such nonesense. SO IF I DIE LYNCH MP even if this won't be counted as a win for me I still want us to lynch the scum especially when I was one of the people responsibly for getting MP

Mac is MPs teammate, that's why he was forced to vote for MP on day 3. Cool story.

MacDougall wrote:You know just saying "nah you're wrong" without explaining why is going to start me up again right?

MacDougall wrote:

Dom wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Stop stop stop...

Zebra, MP, Dom ... we're being had. We are all good guys just throwing shit at each other. The quiet players that aren't completely absent are the bad guys.

DrWilgy, sig, DFaraday. Quite possibly sorsha. They are the ones you want to kill.

By the way I never got paid when Roxy died so that was a lie.

Nah... MP is bad.

You reckon he was so calm and not stressful because he is bad guy part of the plot?

If so then sig is part of the plot. DrWilgy is part of the plot.

MacDougall wrote:Stop stop stop...

Zebra, MP, Dom ... we're being had. We are all good guys just throwing shit at each other. The quiet players that aren't completely absent are the bad guys.

DrWilgy, sig, DFaraday. Quite possibly sorsha. They are the ones you want to kill.

By the way I never got paid when Roxy died so that was a lie.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, I've had my fun.

Despite going nuts with the WIFOM, I swear I didn't switch the lynch, and I thought I'd die and flip civilian, but none of you all will believe me anyway, so... eh.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

sig wrote:If you were a civilian sure but you aren't, so Hutt or Empire, I think Empire. Which one though there are four to choose from.

linki: I am very confident your ISO screamed mafia to me.

Prepare to have your confidence forever shaken, my boy.

Sorsha wrote:I'd of rather voted for golden but I voted zebra because there is obviously some vote forcing going on here.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm boned. Bass, Russ, and Sorsha should be modkilled. Seriously.

....can you not?

Huh? I wasn't being entirely serious.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm boned. Bass, Russ, and Sorsha should be modkilled. Seriously.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, thanks for killing me, Blooper.

MacDougall wrote:

Dom wrote:

MacDougall wrote:MP you mentioned that civ Dom is more emotional when suspected than Mafia Dom I think. Is that right?

So Wilgy came back after my voter analysis that had him as a very bad boy and just didn't respond. Do we reckon he just didn't read it?

Dom, if you keep saying I'm suspicious I'm going to keep asking why. You can keep avoiding the question but surely eventually other people are going to slam you for it.

I have answered the question, but you just don't like the answer-- please stop harassing me.

Why are you so fucking touchy. It's so fucking annoying dude.

MacDougall wrote:MP you mentioned that civ Dom is more emotional when suspected than Mafia Dom I think. Is that right?

So Wilgy came back after my voter analysis that had him as a very bad boy and just didn't respond. Do we reckon he just didn't read it?

Dom, if you keep saying I'm suspicious I'm going to keep asking why. You can keep avoiding the question but surely eventually other people are going to slam you for it.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Dom, who are your top suspects and why? What do you think of sig?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Based on how today's gone down especially, I would like to most lynch GlorfinDaisy or sig.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Why is it that when you're civilian and I appeal to emotion, you go ballistic, Dom, but when you're mafia and I appeal to emotion, you ask questions to make me seem sinister? Mafia tell.

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You seem to have a tell. When I react emotionally and you're civilian, you practically always find me incredibly suspicious and charge at me with equal emotion. Here what you're doing is picking at me with questions over and over again, slinging mud at me. It seems more like mafia Dom. I could be wrong, but it's something I've noticed over the years.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I've also given up in these kinds of dire-seeming situations before as mafia, never as civilian. I'm not giving up because I'm not bad.

But enough about me. Want to talk about some other players, Dom? Who do you want my thoughts on? I'll start digging through some posts here in a bit.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Dom, I would love to see your face if/when I flip today, since you're so wrong about me.

More emotional manipulation. Guys, since when does an analytic accountant appeal to emotion if he's got nothing to hide?

Lol, have you played with me before? I've appealed to emotion at some point in almost every game I've ever played.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Why is it that when you're civilian and I appeal to emotion, you go ballistic, Dom, but when you're mafia and I appeal to emotion, you ask questions to make me seem sinister? Mafia tell.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Dom, I would love to see your face if/when I flip today, since you're so wrong about me.

thellama73 wrote:Canuck and Dom, follow me
Vote for Zebra and save MP!

Canucklehead wrote:

Dom wrote:How many of you would classify baddie hunting MP as emotionally manipulative?

I would. For surezies.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Between zebra, Dom, and sig, I'm starting to smell a coordinated lynch to take me down from at least someone piggybacking off of Roxy's flip to perpetuate a suspicion insinuating false information about me. And I don't like it.

I actually believe Dom is being sincere the more I read from him, so that leaves zebra and sig.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:MP, you say I'm a questioning player, and I'd say you're doubly so-- however, your questions tend to lead to suspicion and votes while mine (at the time) can seem more probing, random, and nit-picky (I've been told).
Why haven't you pursued your go to suspicions in days?

What do you mean?

a2thezebra wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I'm starting to doubt the sincerity of Canuck's suspicion of me.

Why? I am sincerely suspicious of you.

That's what I thought at first, but you've only looked at my Day 1 of my ISO so first and despite saying that you were only majorly pinged by one thing and that you want everyone to look at me objectively, you are now interpreting everything I say through a Hutt lense. I also find it interesting that llama, who credited me for one of Empire's kills, is now in strong agreement with you that I'm a Hutt. Dom, who reads me as "mostly neutral" in the same post is also agreeing with your assessment that I'm distancing myself with the Hutts because I now have personal experience with a theory that I've been pushing for the past two or three days (not to mention my actions started half-way in the day despite saying "MP" by name or addressing him in almost every post from the very start of the day). Because you haven't called either of the people who agree with you out for their inconsistencies and you seem to have confirmed me as a Hutt based on my Day 1 ISO analyses, it seems like you're less interested in being objective and letting town decide for themselves based on the information alone than you're letting on. You seem to be pushing the narrative that I am a Hutt as a higher priority than anything else, which is unlike your scum-hunting up to this point. It's the same way I was bothered by MP's unwarranted focus on me earlier in the game. You at least have given me something to work with, but you're not following through on looking at both possibilities like you said you would.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:

MacDougall wrote:
Dom shading MP is genuine but his shading me is not. I think he is Zebra's teammate.

You are infallible!!! You should have told me before! AHH I see the light now! I am not allowed to suspect you!!!

Dammit, Dom, I start thinking you're town, then you say stuff like this.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
I'm disappointed in you, Canuck.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I also am starting to think I was wrong to abandon my suspicion of GlorfinDaisy. I don't know why she'd be so quick to damn me on Day 7 when she hadn't said anything about me earlier.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Seriously zebra? I'm not buying this act. I point out your inconsistent statement that looks like a second slip up and you suddenly go into insanity mode. I have never seen a curse that simply didn't allow you to give away WHAT cursed you, but let you tell you've been cursed. It defeats the purpose of the curse. This looks really desperate if you ask me.

thellama73 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:Obvious attempt to distance from Hutt team by team/self-targeting is obvious.

Word, Canuck.
I wish you good luck.
You're one of the few making sense
when everyone else is so tense.

I agree with these two.

@MP: Roxy's flip and statements are pretty damning on their own. Up until now I was trying to decide what I thought of you, now I've decided. I think you are bad.

Bullshit. Now I know you're absolutely bad. I'm kicking myself for not lynching your predecessor.

MacDougall wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:MP is bad. He is not bad. He is Empire. He is one of the Jawas. He is town. He is Hutt. He is one of the Tusken Raiders. He is civilian. He must be lynched. Dom is good.

MovingPictures07

Dom is good. You were throwing mighty amounts of shade at Dom a day ago. What's he done to change your mind aside from help you with this MP lynch wagon?

Dom, what's your read on Zebra?

Canucklehead wrote:Obvious attempt to distance from Hutt team by team/self-targeting is obvious.

MacDougall wrote:You take things too personally and make things too personal.

And your emotional reaction reveals you think I am a tinfoiling towny so lol at you actually suspecting me. Since when do scum tinfoil.

MacDougall wrote:

Dom wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Voting for Dom.

So much for trying to understand where each other is coming from.


I'll probably vote MP.

I don't get this response to my vote at all. Your explanation didn't cut it for me.

This is not how Mafia games go:

"I think you're bad because reasons."
"Yes well I'm not because reasons."
"Okay good squire consider me sold!"

Like for real. Your suspicion was weird, your response to my suspicions were wishy washy, you used meaningless words and phrases, you saying that I hadn't made concrete points was a lie.

Every reason I see for MP being bad = the guy is in the middle of some seriously important shit. He might be bad, but I feel WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better with my vote on you.

Search yourselves people. Actually take a look at the entire interaction between Dom and I. He gives himself away with the words he uses.

Spacedaisy wrote:Oh boy, sorry guys. I lost some steam at the thought of reading zebra and MP. I can't give an opinion on anything much from what went on before, but I have some opinions right now from the catch up I just did.

1. MP backing off me when he was previously suspicious of Glorf is absolutely 100% shady. I can understand it at first, and it usually takes a bit of time before I can decide how I feel about him, a cycle or two. He feels like he's buddying up to me. He likes it if he thinks he can get me on his side, thinks an endorsement from me carries more credibility. I don't like that feeling right now. It's not as strong as it has been other games, but it's there.

<<Snip>>

Sorry for being such a mediocre replacement.

MacDougall wrote:
Dom shading MP is genuine but his shading me is not. I think he is Zebra's teammate.

MacDougall wrote:Voting for Dom.

a2thezebra wrote:

Dom wrote:I am not going through all 300+ of your posts to find the ones that I'm talking about. I'm just not doing that-- I don't have the time nor do I have the energy.

You HAVEN'T really given concrete reasons why I'm bad, but okay-- whatever you say.


Your suspicion of Golden is reaching to me for the following reasons:
-I doubt Crumb's role would be so obvious.
-I doubt Golden would be so obvious if the role were so obvious.
-I doubt Golden threw his teammates under the bus in the way he did. Your timeline is illogical to me. It requires Golden to turn on people and trust them and turn on people multiple times to work.

He gave you concrete reasons (that both MP and myself agree with) in the very post you're quoting. And are you implying you think his suspicion of Golden is disingenuous, or simply incorrect?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dom wrote:MP, Roxy suspected... you. (And me, but never gave a single reason.)

Why leave out Dr. Who where you were literally unkillable?

I just said both of those things in my post... More proof that people don't read my posts.

Alright, I'm gone for real now. See you all later after I've fried my brain.

sig wrote:I was against lynching Golden/Mac yesterday, but I don't find the fact that Dom voted for Mac to be that pingy. It is worth keeping an eye on Dom, but I won't be lynching him. I've been thinking ofa few different theories, and I don't think the entire mafia team was inactive, I believe they wanted us to think they were, but actually they were blocked night 1, this means at some point the blocker was killed, by I suspect the Empire. So I still think we have one or two inactive mafia members for team Empire, but I also think we have an active member.

I've got some slightly negative pings from MP right know, so I'll ISO him later today and see what I see. Something that I find quite pingy is that he is asking lots of questions, yet not really providing reads. This makes him an active player, but he himself really doesn't have to make reads. Also out of the players who did the GTH all said I was civ, I believe one of the four to do this is mafia. Know the four were if I'm not mistaken
Mac
Zebra
MP
Roxy (she did it slightly?)

Roxy is civ, and I trust Mac. That leaves Zebra and MP out of those two I feel worse about MP. I also find it interesting Roxy our tracker had MP down as scum. Notice roxy also said if you want to get a baddie vote for me. I don't think she said this to get lynched, I think she was being honest. We know she was the tracker so that means, she tracked someone and found out they were bad. I think she tracked MP and saw him targeting someone. This would explain her sudden scum read on MP. I think if MP is bad he is a member of the Empire, he is fostering the idea that the Empire team is inactive, yet hasn't really helped scum hunt for the mafia team. I would also remind everyone that it is possibly for Space and MPto be on the same team.

For MP being silenced, I believe either his own team silenced him or another secret role that isn't mafia silenced him since they thought he was mafia.

I'd like more opinions on this though before I cast my vote.

Also what does everyone think about no NK?

MacDougall wrote:I saw that you explained that the suspicion was lifted with my explanation, but I still find the way you immediately threw shade on me after I said it was pretty opportunistic. Your explanation as to why it was suspicious, that it was "convenient" is the kind of word I expect a scum to use when they actually don't have a reason to find it suspicious and are just faking a read. If you'd have called it weird, that'd have been okay because it was weird, but convenient it was not. I'm not sure I would describe putting my neck out like that as something I felt was convenient.

It's fine that you're not gunning for me, I was going to ask if you had other suspects and I am glad you have.

Dom, which part of my case is reaching, and what about it is suspicious? You have said how you feel about it, but not the things that makes you feel that way. I can't help you understand my point of view if you don't explain why my point of view has you suspicious with at least some specifics. For all your criticisms of my play style and apparent cryptic behaviour, at least I am showing you specific instances where you've done suspicious things. You haven't given me one specific thing. You've generalized. I've been cryptic. My case is "reaching at best" and the way I "pushed" it was suspicious. All generalisations. The one time you started to suspect me for an actual thing (the Roxy thing) you recanted when I explained further.

Your vote on me itself is fine, and if you had have just came in and voted and left wouldn't be suspicious to me because I would have just assumed you chose Golden in a 1 v 1. It was the way you coaxed Golden into giving you a little bit of a reason to get it on there, and your failure to mention specific details after the fact despite maintaining a suspicion that has me a little bit suspicious of you back.

You saying that I have to be willing to look at things from your POV would be fine if it were true. I'd love to understand your point of view but you've given me nothing to elaborate on. You seem to just want to read me as bad whereas if you were trying to find the truth of the matter why don't you give me some specifics so I can succeed or fail at explaining what the deal with them is? Surely that's a better way to find a bad guy than just lightweight generalisations?

What post/s of mine are cryptic?

a2thezebra wrote:You haven't gained my trust yet but I appreciate the effort, and you seem genuine here. With that said, I would advocate an MP lynch today as well.

MacDougall wrote:

Dom wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Dom and Sorsha, what are your current thoughts on MP?

Not good.

I felt like he pulled a NO U on me and has made minimal effort to have his own thoughts while accusing me of doing the same. I think his claim that my suspicions have been "all over the place" is unsubstantiated-- he has yet to really back this up. I am very okay with a MP lynch because as SOON as I entertained the thought of him being bad, I dropped down to dark red on his rainbow list. He claims I'm not baddie hunting, but I don't think that's true. I voted early in both Matt and Enrique's lynches. I was busy on the day of bcornett's and I think i missed the vote. I was suspicious of Bass (and was wrong)-- same with Simon. Yesterday, I felt like it might be best to get rid of one of Golden or Mac because of how the thread was "behaving" and which one I thought was more bad is who i voted for. I think MP's claim is bogus and it's a way to silence his critics.
Additionally, who has MP really suspected all game?


I understand I had a rough few days in the thread where I was very frustrated with some of the goings-ons, but my frustration was real, A2Z.

Dom, you haven't really made a strong case against me either. You've said I was suspicious. That I was worse than Golden. That I drain the energy of the game. But nothing alignment indicative enough for you to be calling me suspicious again now that the 1 v 1 that you must have agreed with to actually get your vote on me, is a thing of the past. And you also told Golden you weren't sold by his case about 10 minutes before voting for me after he gave you the cliffs, yet then backed up the vote not saying he convinced you, but saying more or less that you thought I was more likely to be bad than him.

Can you see why that sort of thing would be considered a scummy look in the minds of people? I don't think it's a lock or entirely alignment indicative but if I had to explain why it could be a bad look it looks like a scum player who hasn't put the work in to make a really convincing fake case just throwing vague shade on someone who is producing enough controversial content to maybe get jag lynched by it. It's the scum who can't be bothered look.

Your scum read of me;

I've been "cryptic"
I've been draining
You tried to put shade on me briefly over the Roxy thing, which looked like a real weak attempt to shade me again
Better me than Golden

It's not very convincing. Has a real look of scum having a scum read on someone because you gotta have a scum read on someone ya know?

At least tell me you can see how it could be taken that way?

a2thezebra wrote:

Dom wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Dom and Sorsha, what are your current thoughts on MP?

Not good.

I felt like he pulled a NO U on me and has made minimal effort to have his own thoughts while accusing me of doing the same. I think his claim that my suspicions have been "all over the place" is unsubstantiated-- he has yet to really back this up. I am very okay with a MP lynch because as SOON as I entertained the thought of him being bad, I dropped down to dark red on his rainbow list. He claims I'm not baddie hunting, but I don't think that's true. I voted early in both Matt and Enrique's lynches. I was busy on the day of bcornett's and I think i missed the vote. I was suspicious of Bass (and was wrong)-- same with Simon. Yesterday, I felt like it might be best to get rid of one of Golden or Mac because of how the thread was "behaving" and which one I thought was more bad is who i voted for. I think MP's claim is bogus and it's a way to silence his critics.
Additionally, who has MP really suspected all game?


I understand I had a rough few days in the thread where I was very frustrated with some of the goings-ons, but my frustration was real, A2Z.

I understand. While I share MP's suspicion of you, I do think his suspicion is less justified and/or more fabricated. And the part I colored red is my main issue. I can't remember MP really going after anyone all game. Question people sure, but not actually hunt scum.

linki - No that was directed at Sorsha and I missed the linki of the post I'm quoting here, that's my bad.

a2thezebra wrote:Do you suspect MP?

a2thezebra wrote:Dom and Sorsha, what are your current thoughts on MP?