The Syndicate

I may well be very skilled. I have done good things in my Mafia life. But everyone hits their floor sometimes, and it always seems to happen to me in games like this. I need a new approach to deploy when we enter POE-is-impossible mode, even if it’s a rare problem.

I think Jay was aware that the AS was the Shingen, or at least thought it likely true, especially when you compare AS flip to every other one in the game...it was unique, and understated in a way that belied their role Then Jay 4D chess the next phase by starting up the train of thought "Maf f...

His responses to today’s suspicion might as well have been “tee hee neener neener”.

Epi is clearly mafia. I’m not sure about the teammate.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

So hypothetically if wolves knew Moto was Mason, they could kill Wilgy, collect the credit, and then grab the bag in time to keep going I suppose that's a possible world. Before this takes the inevitable turn: I didn't really catch on to motobot as a likely BTSC until yesterday. :haha: :haha: :haha...

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:13 pm I should have voted for Jay day 2 and gotten someone else to do it with me

The game would definitely not be any better off. Cricket chirp chirp.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:18 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:41 am posting Tony style is kinda therapeutic
This is the 2nd time this game you've made a point to imitate a player's posting style...is this something you do often?

I can't say I've ever seen it before

I wouldn’t say I do it “often”. I don’t know why that is important to you.

just putting words in here and having a go

posting Tony style is kinda therapeutic

or Tony is mafia and outed his mech strat to taunt me

or sig is mafia and is playing the best game of his career

I think falcon has made some posts that look town. Most of them don't, but some do. I am not extremely confident about him in an individual sense (though POE that leads me to him feels a bit better). However, everyone alive fits that description. Something's gotta give. I could vote Epignosis, becau...

Conceivable that motobot was killed as a universal town read that nobody would vote for and not because he was viewed as a BTSC candidate.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:28 am So hypothetically if wolves knew Moto was Mason, they could kill Wilgy, collect the credit, and then grab the bag in time to keep going

I suppose that's a possible world. Before this takes the inevitable turn: I didn't really catch on to motobot as a likely BTSC until yesterday.

You’re good at mafia explain to me why we’re sitting here on day 4 with a solid town core since day 2 and our PRs dead and no wolf flips I'm sure as hell not good at Mafia in this game, but we're here because there has been no good avenue to solve this at any juncture. We've been guessing and it ha...

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:24 am Ok numbers game. Let’s say wolves are 100 percent sure Moto is the partner, it’s N2, there are 10 remaining. They kill Moto,
7v2
three dead a day, one mischop

It doesn’t change it right? Still two day kills?

I think what you're saying works out. It reduces to either 3-1 or 2-1

I don't have a super compelling reason to dissociate Epi and Long Con

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:21 am Cause it’s another chop, right?

Not following your meaning -- are you referring to what happens if Epi goes today?

If it isn't falcon, I'd have to open doors within the Epi/LoRab/Long Con trio. Let me revisit what I said about some of those a bit ago.

If it is Epi/falcon, we'll need to discuss the merits of taking out Epi first. If it's right and sig, Epi, and I are all alive in the next day, town probably loses.

Not sure here, but I worry.

Debating between defending my mafia-aligned prowess in the face of this slander and just letting Tony have his stream of consciousness. You have like half a dozen posts this game where you say something like “man if I were a wolf right now [I wouldn’t be doing this]” If, when you say "range&qu...

Anyway there was a good reason to doubt Simon was the BTSC haver so meh

Debating between defending my mafia-aligned prowess in the face of this slander and just letting Tony have his stream of consciousness.

You act as though I've given this entire game the benefit of my thought...and you just said... "Epi has not given a single shit who has been eliminated any day phase." I suspect you'd have given a shit if falcon was closer to death. What is your read on him? Say something about falcon.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:26 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:10 am It should be plenty apparent that I am not teamed with Epignosis, and not just based on today.
Now you're speaking truth!

Way to ignore the previous bit about Long Con and I. Inconsistent with your obvious agenda.

Oh, I read that. I'm just saying I wouldn't mind playing the long game for credibility and I think you'd do something similar (and LC certainly wouldn't be opposed to that). Maybe that's true in your case. But I am not making a mechanically suboptimal kill unless it provides some kind of clear and ...

Epi has not given a single shit who has been eliminated any day phase. Look at his posts. He does not care. He has flirted with plenty votes himself on various candidates to be eliminated (at least including both Abigails, Simon, LoRab, and myself). The standout frequent wagons that he never contrib...

The mafia are Epignosis and falcon. Confidence increasing.

It should be plenty apparent that I am not teamed with Epignosis, and not just based on today. falcon has been complaining at me the whole game. He's clearly not my teammate. sig wants my head on a pike. He's clearly not my teammate. Tony is nobody's teammate, and I am a part of nobody. Everybody? N...

Whether folks believe me or not is their own prerogative. I don't give a damn at this point. But for my own peace of mind and perhaps for future reference (in my dreams): Long Con, when civilian and accused, "annoys" me (for lack of a better word). This is not meant as a criticism of Long...

I can already smell the prevailing counter theory -- that Long Con and I are both mafia. So before anyone even bothers trying to pull that crap, return to Day 1 and take a look.

LoRab is only mafia if she is with Long Con. While it's not conclusive, I think their interactions suggest otherwise. Maybe we just clear LoRab here too.

That would be unexpected and very welcome.

I suppose my hang up is the expectation that everyone is going to play "optimally" as mafia. I have hosted a ton and that just doesn't happen all the time. To be clear: most people won't. In this particular case, there is a core mechanic at work. Some people would miss it. I think some pe...

It’s not Epi Lorab

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

Citation: DrWilgy

@Long Con do you have an initial take on my view of Epignosis?

I also totally forgot about TSP in the above. Do we think we have two independents? If not he has to be mafia right? I could also see him being one to do a gambit with Wilgy I don't believe he is independent. I think he was trying to draw a kill instead of Kagemusha. If he is independent, then what...

@TonyStarkPrime if Long Con is mafia, you're probably the one best-suited to tell me that. I am towning him right now, but I acknowledge I am taking leaps to do so. I feel like I have no choice.

What has Epignosis actually done in this game that is indicative of his being a civilian? Serious question.

Everyone has seemed town at one point or another. Who cares anymore. Raise the bar.

However, my view on Jay hasn’t changed his willingness to switch from lorab/falcon to Simon is a red flag especially given his other theory which we were keeping quite but no point now. I quite literally had no clue what do with my vote. Everyone felt like a guess. Ask yourself if you'd have a clue...

Epi/falcon and Epi/LoRab seem like the most likely teams by a decent margin to me. Deciding which one is no simple task, but Epignosis is the common denominator.

I also totally forgot about TSP in the above. Do we think we have two independents? If not he has to be mafia right? I could also see him being one to do a gambit with Wilgy I don't believe he is independent. I think he was trying to draw a kill instead of Kagemusha. If he is independent, then what...

sig wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 10:53 pmI think I need to totally reevaluate this game.

Don't say this and then proclaim total trust two lines later lol. Do it. View the game through town Jay's eyes (and town LC's and town LoRab's). It shouldn't be that hard.

However, my view on Jay hasn’t changed his willingness to switch from lorab/falcon to Simon is a red flag especially given his other theory which we were keeping quite but no point now. I quite literally had no clue what do with my vote. Everyone felt like a guess. Ask yourself if you'd have a clue...

Long Con and LoRab -- meh
Long Con and falcon -- doubt it
Long Con and Epignosis - meh

LoRab and falcon - doubt it
LoRab and Epignsosis - meh

Epignosis and falcon - sure

Association reads. Epignosis is probably mafia.

If epi is mafia we’re cooked and it may or may not be sigs fault :p Things aren’t looking great, granted I didn’t pop up last phase in time so oops, BUT I don’t like how that Simon vote went down mafia definitely went along with it We're only cooked if we don't vote him out today or tomorrow. That ...

Yea I’m not really a fan of anyone on the falcon wagon. Lorab is probably the only solid read one the three. I think ONLY focusing on the Wilgy flip and mech is very very dangerous and scummy in fact the more I think about it the less I like people making those cases. It just seems like a really ea...

gif What's your falcon read? :shrug: What’s your JaggedJimmyJay and/or Epignosis read? I'm not doing reads right now. Scotty town Epi town I won't lie, having the Epi family all in this game is a strange wrinkle that is a factor in how I think about it. Agreed, it's an unavoidable piece of the puzz...

Current thoughts: I’m of 2 minds on LC, because I read him wrong last game . But he has been pingy. Especially using the FEB emoji. So, not voting him for now, but keeping an eyeball there. :eye: Just because it's a reasonable piece of evidence to decry any emoji tells you might be implying: Almost...

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