The Syndicate

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Dont be like that.

:P

I was kidding. I don't blame you. I considered NKing you in LMS afterall.

I needed you in LMS I have no shot against the whores.

I know. It hurt so much to watch you get annihilated in that game. It brought tears to my eyes.

But seriously, Sophie and I are out, and everyone else wins right?

Is there something I'm missing?

Black Rock wrote:Also, what happened to it when he was lynched? I was so hoping to get it. Instead I had to figure out how I could get a kill.

I have no clue.

Are we in postgame now? Are we waiting on anything?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Dont be like that.

:P

I was kidding. I don't blame you. I considered NKing you in LMS afterall.

I am holding a grudge against Bass now, after we let him win in Death Note. It's personal.

Black Rock wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FZ. wrote:Everyone knows who I am at this point, so whoever is keeping their vote on me is bad. They are just lurking and enjoying themselves. We should have lynched LC last day when we had the chance.

Yes we really should have. We gave them that extra chance they needed.

Tbh, I don't think we stood much of a chance from the beginning of the game, but I felt like we (some of us) gave ourselves the chance to win.

Post-game analysis will prove beyond a shadow of doubt that it was very much the opposite.

Doubt it, but I guess we'll see.

We have been a baddie team without a kill ALL game. We have literally been harmless pussycats. The civvies killed more people. You guys started with BTSC and your kill. We started with nothing. I almost quit the game.

There was still 7 of you, and the fact that you DIDN'T have BTSC was a huge turn of events for your favor. If we lynch one baddie, we can't look through interactions to spot the other ones, and even vote patterns are hard to use, we're just blindly lynching players.

Now, I (we the Detectives) did have the benefit of information, but I had a really hard time actually utilizing my role because I could rarely ever catch MR online. I didn't try my darndest though, but I sent in messages to be posted a few times that never got posted, and I don't know what happened to them.



And I have no idea why TH inherited the nightkill. That seemed like an odd event.

And I wasted 2 hours yesterday doing a "catchup" post for DF and a complete role analysis on everyone, all for naught.

LC was probably laughing in BTSC. "No, no this is good stuff"...

We so fucked!

DFaraday wrote:Sorry, FZ, it seems like you really put a lot into this game.

Go away Plunder, you're dead.

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FZ. wrote:Everyone knows who I am at this point, so whoever is keeping their vote on me is bad. They are just lurking and enjoying themselves. We should have lynched LC last day when we had the chance.

Yes we really should have. We gave them that extra chance they needed.

Tbh, I don't think we stood much of a chance from the beginning of the game, but I felt like we (some of us) gave ourselves the chance to win.

Post-game analysis will prove beyond a shadow of doubt that it was very much the opposite.

Doubt it, but I guess we'll see.

Apparently I still have a chance.

Did I win yet?

timmer wrote:

You should have just died on Day 3 when you were supposed to.

I haven't even seen anyone on the map. I had a chance early on before the Day 3 switcheroo.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Sorry MM I never ran into you on the map.

That's fine. I'll make my Fullmetal Alchemist game a map game, and I'll lock you in the corner.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Sorry FZ I but I have to stay true.

I told you I couldn't trust you.

Linki: Probably by Iron Heights, since they managed to bust DF out.

I guess you could end the day early and see what happens.

FZ. wrote:Everyone knows who I am at this point, so whoever is keeping their vote on me is bad. They are just lurking and enjoying themselves. We should have lynched LC last day when we had the chance.

Yes we really should have. We gave them that extra chance they needed.

Tbh, I don't think we stood much of a chance from the beginning of the game, but I felt like we (some of us) gave ourselves the chance to win.

FZ. wrote:Yeah, it is. I wish there was something we could do. Thing is, I told you all BR was bad the entire game, and no one listened to me.

What happens if Bass does join us and it's a tie?

I acknowledged your argument. Sometimes.

FZ. wrote:Yeah, it is. I wish there was something we could do. Thing is, I told you all BR was bad the entire game, and no one listened to me.

What happens if Bass does join us and it's a tie?

We cross our fingers.

Tbh, he should not be able to win as Double-Down, not if he replaced back in.

I guess what I'm saying is that one of them could very well be an Indy Rogue based on my analysis earlier this day phase. Not guaranteed, as that Indy Rogue could be dead, but it's a guess.

And we've also had two non-New Rogues get themselves lynched by self-voting.

Linki: That's seriously fucked up.

Hey FZ, how sure do you feel about Devin?

Looking back, he was the only one of the three (BR, LC, and Devin) that voted for timmer on the day that SVS was lynch. Not only that, but he broke a 2-2 tie in the voting.



S~V~S
5
Long Con (4), timmer (5), Sophie (10), S~V~S (11), Black Rock (12)
42%

Timmer
3
Metalmarsh89 (3), FZ. (7), Devin the Omniscient (8)
25%

Come and make a stand Bass!

DFaraday. Yay!

I'm moving my vote back to DF. He's had plenty of time to read and respond.

FZ. wrote:Okay, but are you sure about DF?
Do you think it was the poll, or Timmer being able to switch?

I think timmer was not related to the incident, but your guess is as good as mine. As soon as I feel like I'm figuring things out, things start going crazy again.

Black Rock said she would actually vote for DF though. I don't know if she would want to vote for Devin.

I don't disagree with you, but Plunder does kill tonight.

I'll follow your vote, but I would rather lynch DFarady though, just in case he is actually Plunder.

Pitchfork I believe, 3-2.

Oh no, what have we done.



What sort of influence?

The lack of response to my role/player analysis has me worried as well.

I essentially put DFaraday, Long Con, Black Rock, and Devin into one group, and said that only one of them could be an Indy Rogue, while the rest of them are probably New Rogues. Either they didn't read the post, or they didn't have a good response.

FZ. wrote:MM, why did you vote BR?

Because I think we are seeing the New Rogues combining forces here, and using the excuse of "placeholding".

I can't just remove it, as I'd have to put it on someone else.

I mean, look at that pile of votes on the semi-confirmed civ. The bigger problem lies here.

Sorry for the insane posts.

Black Rock wrote:What happened to Bass this game?

There's been a weird pattern with Bass. He did not speak on Day 8, but did on Day 9. He did not speak again on Day 10, but did again on Day 11. Then he hasn't spoken today.

Black Rock wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm sorry DF. We were forced to take action early after llama was lynched on Day 1.

Why did you choose DF?

I don't really remember. I know that someone suggested BR, and I put my foot down, lol. I think we picked him because he is hardly ever killed early in games, and because he voted for llama.

I missed this and thank you. I might have lost my mind if I died night 1 again.

But of course. I can't guarentee that every time.

Black Rock wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Probably DF, his rez is totally suspish. Plus these boys are totally copying me. I don't get the joke.

You should vote for him too then.

I might just do that, I'm waiting for everybody to check in before I really vote.

But it's suspish. Why wait?

Black Rock wrote:Probably DF, his rez is totally suspish. Plus these boys are totally copying me. I don't get the joke.

You should vote for him too then.

Black Rock wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:This thread has gone nuts. I feel like I'm missing an inside joke or something.

Are you a New Rogue?

nope

Voted.

So you don't want to vote a new rogue?

Who should I vote for?

Black Rock wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:This thread has gone nuts. I feel like I'm missing an inside joke or something.

Are you a New Rogue?

nope

Voted.

Black Rock wrote:This thread has gone nuts. I feel like I'm missing an inside joke or something.

Are you a New Rogue?

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm sorry DF. We were forced to take action early after llama was lynched on Day 1.

Why did you choose DF?

I don't really remember. I know that someone suggested BR, and I put my foot down, lol. I think we picked him because he is hardly ever killed early in games, and because he voted for llama.

I'm sorry DF. We were forced to take action early after llama was lynched on Day 1.

Long Con wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I tell you what, some players have gone awfully quiet lately.

Long Con, where do you think you will vote today?

I haven't decided yet, but I'm not moving it unless you take your vote off me.

Herm, I supposed that's fair.

I'll placehold it on myself for now. That won't hurt anyone.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 50#p148766

That link may help you out. It's a pretty brief summary, just for you!

DFaraday is here! Hi DF. Welcome back.

I tell you what, some players have gone awfully quiet lately.

Long Con, where do you think you will vote today?

Wasn't his reason for that so there was an Old Rogue he claim as?

My conclusion is pretty rough. Please don't assume I know everything, because I definitely don't. Most of the assumptions I've made are not based on known certainty, but educated guesses, and constant readbacks. But again, they are assumptions for a reason, and were noted as such.

That said, I want to know where people agree and/or disagree.

Now I will do a further breakdown of the roles that are unknown. There are 11 in total.

Old Rogues

Heat Wave - ??? (presumed dead)
Mirror Master - ??? (presumed dead)

Independent Rogues

Captain Boomerang - ??? (presumed dead)
Magenta - ??? (presumed dead)
The Folded Man - ???

New Rogues

Blacksmith - ???
Murmer - ???
Girdir - ???
Tar Pit - ???
Plunder - ??? (presumed dead)

Arch-Villains

Zoom - ??? (presumed dead)

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Here is a list of players that are not accounted for in the above role list. Again, there are 11 in total.

Black Rock
Bullzeye- Killed Night 4 by ?????
DFaraday - Jailed Night 1 by Wally West, Rezzed Night 11
DharmaHelper- Killed Night 3 by Captain Cold
Elohcin timmer - Jailed Night 11 by Wally West
Epignosis- Killed Night 2 by Captain Cold
fingersplints- Killed Night 1 by Gorilla Grodd
ika Devin the Omniscient
Long Con
rabbit8 - Jailed Night 9 by Wally West
Spacedaisy- Killed Night 6 by ?????


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Okay, now for a breakdown of the unknown roles, and who they could be.

Heat Wave and Mirror Master - Based on Roxy being Captain Cold, the general assumption is that Heat Wave and Mirror Master were both nightkilled before Roxy was, since Captain Cold killed twice. Thus, DFaraday, Epignosis, and fingersplints must occupy these two roles somehow. I believe fingersplints was Heat Wave, based on reading the thread (no I am not certain), meaning that one of DFaraday and Epignosis was the Mirror Master. I'm going to assume Epignosis is for the time being.

Magenta - The reason Magenta is presumed dead (by me) is because she never stopped a lynch. There is a good chance she was a relatively inactive player, or just killed off early. Honestly, the only two players I can guess are this role are either Devin (who replaced ika early on) or rabbit8. I'm going to assume rabbit was for the time being.

Captain Boomerang - I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think he's dead, and that he was DharmaHelper. timmer said he visited DH's grave, and presumably picked up an item. He also said he knew DH was an Indy Rogue, and a boomerang was used on the previous lynch. This seems like an odd move considering that timmer was the generally agreed upon lynchee the previous night. I would guess that DH was Captain Boomerang.

The Folded Man - I've got no leads on this one. Actually, I do have an idea, but I won't mention it yet.

Zoom - Okay, I'm still alive, so Zoom is probably dead at this point. But this all depends on his role and how it works.

Plunder - I have a theory as to who this is as well, but I will not mention it yet. There is a good chance he was killed early though, based on how events have panned out, and the lack of kills.

Girdir - This role is definitely still alive and out there. He cannot be nightkilled, and has not been lynched.

Blacksmith, Murmer, Tar Pit - timmer was most definitely one of these three roles, and I would sig bet on it. My best guess is that he is Murmer (based mainly on what Bass has said and done, but I could be wrong), so I will assume that for now. Regardless, he was probably a New Rogue.

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Addendum, these 6 roles:

• The Folded Man
  Zoom
  Plunder
  Girdir
  Blacksmith
  Tar Pit

Should be occupied by these 6 players:

• Black Rock
  Bullzeye
  Devin the Omniscient
  DFaraday*
  Long Con
  Spacedaisy

*I realize DFaraday is alive, but he was killed early, so I will list him as dead for the sake of this argument.




Thoughts?