DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Tangrowth]

I’m officially in the “why the fuck are there so many posts on Day 0” camp

Alright, you know what.

I'm done. I put up with people saying this enough already. This is not just directed at you, Colin, sorry, just you all in general.

I'm trying to solve this fucking game. If you don't like it, too fucking bad.

It'd be much better for thread health if going forward people either just keep such sentiments to yourself or post some actual content.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Alien, who do you find most suspicious in this game apart from MP?

[Infected_alien8_]

Alien, who do you find most suspicious in this game apart from MP?

Hmm, probably Luna but I can only remember 2 posts from them and I feel like I need more content from them to solidify a read.

[Tangrowth]

I'm tired of being guilted already about trying to solve the game. It decreases my morale and drags the morale down of everyone else.

If you're town and you don't like the volume of the thread, you DON'T NEED TO CATCH UP ON EVERY POST TO POST CONTENT.

Interact with me or others in real time and produce reads that way.

Start ISOing players and produce reads that way.

No one is forcing you to read the entire thread. Just do what you can.

Meanwhile I'm going to keep trying to crack open this game, and I'd appreciate it if people didn't try to make me feel bad for doing so and for really wanting to play this damn game with all of you.

[Tangrowth]

And DH in particular can go fuck off or actually start doing some things or I will gladly help lead his lynch D1 for real. No more kid gloves man. Either shit or get off the pot.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Alien, who do you find most suspicious in this game apart from MP?

Hmm, probably Luna but I can only remember 2 posts from them and I feel like I need more content from them to solidify a read.

A trend I have noted in your posts is that you've been pretty agreeable, at least in your dealings with me, in that you have acknowledged at least some portion of a point being made without really committing to that thought. Indeed, the only commitment I observe in your play to this point is to voice suspicion of M Plus 7. I can understand having suspicions of MP, but for him to be the sole suspect of note at this stage of 700 some posts is hard to believe.

[Tangrowth]

And DH in particular can go fuck off or actually start doing some things or I will gladly help lead his lynch D1 for real. No more kid gloves man. Either shit or get off the pot.

And I realize the irony of saying this and complaining about thread health but DH and I have a long history and he can handle it. i would never say this to anyone else.

[Infected_alien8_]

Alien, who do you find most suspicious in this game apart from MP?

Hmm, probably Luna but I can only remember 2 posts from them and I feel like I need more content from them to solidify a read.

A trend I have noted in your posts is that you've been pretty agreeable, at least in your dealings with me, in that you have acknowledged at least some portion of a point being made without really committing to that thought. Indeed, the only commitment I observe in your play to this point is to voice suspicion of M Plus 7. I can understand having suspicions of MP, but for him to be the sole suspect of note at this stage of 700 some posts is hard to believe.

Why is it hard to believe? Who do you find suspicious, what am I missing?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Let's be cool. We're fine here. We're good. Let's put on our cool sunglasses. Here they are:



Yeah, just slide those puppies on. Kick back. Be cool.



Now we're talking. Cool as can be.

[Tangrowth]

That it is currently "Day 0" is merely a matter of thread title. It is essentially an extended Day 1. Voting will begin relatively soon. Play the dang thing like it's Day 1.

Where's the "love" react for this post?

[Tangrowth]

Let's be cool. We're fine here. We're good. Let's put on our cool sunglasses. Here they are:



Yeah, just slide those puppies on. Kick back. Be cool.



Now we're talking. Cool as can be.

Yes, we're cool. I love every one of you. I am enjoying this.

I am just not going to sit back here and become everyone's punching bag for actually putting in a lot of effort to get the game kicking into high gear. I'm tired of that. It's a running theme of the last 8 years.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Alien, who do you find most suspicious in this game apart from MP?

Hmm, probably Luna but I can only remember 2 posts from them and I feel like I need more content from them to solidify a read.

A trend I have noted in your posts is that you've been pretty agreeable, at least in your dealings with me, in that you have acknowledged at least some portion of a point being made without really committing to that thought. Indeed, the only commitment I observe in your play to this point is to voice suspicion of M Plus 7. I can understand having suspicions of MP, but for him to be the sole suspect of note at this stage of 700 some posts is hard to believe.

Why is it hard to believe? Who do you find suspicious, what am I missing?

I have voiced some concerns about MacDougall, whom you've waffled around on. I posted a considerable ISO attacking DharmaHelper, some of which you seemed to find compelling. I have voiced a couple of gripes against Kylemii, at least one of which you agreed with on some level. Just now we seemed to see eye to eye on the potential for trouble with Russtifinko.

Through all that, you've emerged with one guy in your crosshairs, the same guy you initiated suspicion against yesterday. I am not seeing that read progress, and I am not seeing many other reads progress either.

[Tangrowth]

I compiled a quick list of names for players who have put something in this thread now, but I don't recall seeing a lot of reads on them off-hand.

ColinIsCool
Kylemii
Marmot
RobotNerd277
Russtifinko
sprityo
Turnip Head

Tell me where these people stand in your game view. I will consider the same.

GTH Style

Town
Town
Scum
Town
Scum
Town
Town

[Tangrowth]

Non-GTH Style

Colin - slight town
Kyle - slight town
Marmot - slight scum
Robot - moderate town
Russ - slight scum
sprityo - slight town
TH - slight town

[Infected_alien8_]

Alien, who do you find most suspicious in this game apart from MP?

Hmm, probably Luna but I can only remember 2 posts from them and I feel like I need more content from them to solidify a read.

A trend I have noted in your posts is that you've been pretty agreeable, at least in your dealings with me, in that you have acknowledged at least some portion of a point being made without really committing to that thought. Indeed, the only commitment I observe in your play to this point is to voice suspicion of M Plus 7. I can understand having suspicions of MP, but for him to be the sole suspect of note at this stage of 700 some posts is hard to believe.

Why is it hard to believe? Who do you find suspicious, what am I missing?

I have voiced some concerns about MacDougall, whom you've waffled around on. I posted a considerable ISO attacking DharmaHelper, some of which you seemed to find compelling. I have voiced a couple of gripes against Kylemii, at least one of which you agreed with on some level. Just now we seemed to see eye to eye on the potential for trouble with Russtifinko.

Through all that, you've emerged with one guy in your crosshairs, the same guy you initiated suspicion against yesterday. I am not seeing that read progress, and I am not seeing many other reads progress either.

There was one point I found compelling in your ISO of Dharma yes, but it's not compelling enough to make me want him lynched over M Plus 7. What was the thing about kyle? The russ thing yes, I can see your perspective, I asked Russ to explain where he was going with that and I'll go from there with that read.

I don't think I have 'one guy in my crosshairs' at all, he's my top suspect but he's not my only suspect and I think I've made that clear at least.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Robot - moderate town

Tell me more. My initial take on his efforts to catch up left me in a similar place to my initial allergies to alien's entry -- hodge podge review post with no theme other than "catch up with the game", seeming to net minimal reads production.

[Tangrowth]

Spoiler: show

MP
Tsaiah

You ain't posted yet, shit

Kyle
Colin

Mac
abyssum
DH

I forgot that you actually suck at Mafia now. Sucks to be you.

My reads aren’t terribly different from those you’ve provided. Also you know I’m a civilian.

Hi yes this, re: the bolded

@MacDougall , what reads do you/did you disagree with here besides the read on you?

Or does Jay just "suck at mafia" because he's scumreading you?

I should just let Mac handle this, but for anyone of you who are wondering, the Jay "sucking at mafia" is a running thing from what I've seen. I believe it refers to a few games where Jay had a bad run of not being as accurate as usual (which is usually pretty accurate), specifically with Mac fooling him pretty hard one of those times. Was that Ass Class, Jay?

[Tangrowth]

Yeah well... that’s pretty fair. It just reads really genuine to me. You’re right though that if anyone could fake stuff like that it would Mac but shouldn’t we still try to assess him at face value?

Yes, we should. For the moment I am content to monitor Mac's progress and judge accordingly.

That works for me. I'd rather not lynch him D1 at least with how I feel right now.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

There was one point I found compelling in your ISO of Dharma yes, but it's not compelling enough to make me want him lynched over M Plus 7. What was the thing about kyle? The russ thing yes, I can see your perspective, I asked Russ to explain where he was going with that and I'll go from there with that read.

I'm referring to his request that a handful of players give him their "histories".

I don't think I have 'one guy in my crosshairs' at all, he's my top suspect but he's not my only suspect and I think I've made that clear at least.

I wouldn't say you've made it clear. You've hinted, you've suggested, and you've dabbled, but you haven't made it clear.

[Tangrowth]

Russ - Light Town because their posts accusing me felt genuine actually

I am inclined to disagree on this one. I found Russ's take on your proposed Mac slip to be convoluted, in that the variables he introduced (primarily the relationship/experience you've had or not had with MacDougall) to be of shaky relevance, and I struggled to follow the thread of thought he was putting to paper.

!

This reminds me of something important.

There was a game where Russ was scum and caught by I believe it was even MacDougall with similar logic.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] do you remember this? What game was it? You and I even argued about it didn't we?

Fuck why can't I remember what game it was

[Infected_alien8_]

There was one point I found compelling in your ISO of Dharma yes, but it's not compelling enough to make me want him lynched over M Plus 7. What was the thing about kyle? The russ thing yes, I can see your perspective, I asked Russ to explain where he was going with that and I'll go from there with that read.

I'm referring to his request that a handful of players give him their "histories".

I don't think I have 'one guy in my crosshairs' at all, he's my top suspect but he's not my only suspect and I think I've made that clear at least.

I wouldn't say you've made it clear. You've hinted, you've suggested, and you've dabbled, but you haven't made it clear.

Oh yeah, I did wonder where he was going with that read, I'm waiting on his response to M Plus 7's question about that.

And well okay fair enough, but what gave you the impression M Plus 7 was the only guy in my crosshairs?

[Tangrowth]

Spoiler: show

Look at Tsaiah asking questions and shit.

TSAIAH IS PURE AS FUCK

I WILL CUT ANYONE THAT KILLS HER

Again the confidence in her purity even though you've never played a full game with her so presumably don't know her that well pings me. I agree she looks like she's genuinely solving but I also think she could be faking it, and I don't share your confidence in her being so pure to that degree, which is why it pings me

Ughhhh

Look Alien I never know anyone’s alignment 100%

If anything for me as a person it’s tough for me to feel confident about anything especially making assessments like this

I’ve decided that I’m a better player when I make assessments and stick to them instead of constantly second guessing myself and never arriving at any reads

My strongpoint is identifying town reads and crunching via POE

Those town reads will be reassessed with every single post

Yes I’m incredibly confident right now in tsaiah being town because I feel it in my gut

Will I feel that way on d1? Who knows because I will keep reassessing her content

If you think I’m throwing out reads too confidently and it makes me scum I don’t know what else to say because honestly the buddying accusation is garbage and I’ve gotten it my whole mafia career and the reality is I’m much more likely to keep my options open when scum than town

I guess that makes sense, it's just drastically different to how you were in the other games, you have no sense of paranoia about you at all. It might just be because it's not a champs game anymore or something but it just feels really off and I can't ignore it because I haven't seen anything from you yet that makes me think you're Town, so I guess I'll just keep observing and questioning you to see if that changes

But I do have paranoia. How would you know that?

I don't want to engage in such paranoia actively at this stage for the most part. It's too early for that shit. Tsaiah is townier than literally everyone else in the game right now. I'm willing to fight anyone who wants to vote her for that reason.

[Tangrowth]

One note: given the generally positive vibes I am getting from the most active core of play so far, I am finding the "null" players to be, by default, more suspicious than null. At this point if I have no concrete reason to see someone as a civilian or a mafioso, that's a bad thing.

I'll agree with that although I am actively searching for a deepwolf.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

One note: given the generally positive vibes I am getting from the most active core of play so far, I am finding the "null" players to be, by default, more suspicious than null. At this point if I have no concrete reason to see someone as a civilian or a mafioso, that's a bad thing.

I'll agree with that although I am actively searching for a deepwolf.

That's fair. I'd expect at least one.

[Infected_alien8_]

Spoiler: show

Look at Tsaiah asking questions and shit.

TSAIAH IS PURE AS FUCK

I WILL CUT ANYONE THAT KILLS HER

Again the confidence in her purity even though you've never played a full game with her so presumably don't know her that well pings me. I agree she looks like she's genuinely solving but I also think she could be faking it, and I don't share your confidence in her being so pure to that degree, which is why it pings me

Ughhhh

Look Alien I never know anyone’s alignment 100%

If anything for me as a person it’s tough for me to feel confident about anything especially making assessments like this

I’ve decided that I’m a better player when I make assessments and stick to them instead of constantly second guessing myself and never arriving at any reads

My strongpoint is identifying town reads and crunching via POE

Those town reads will be reassessed with every single post

Yes I’m incredibly confident right now in tsaiah being town because I feel it in my gut

Will I feel that way on d1? Who knows because I will keep reassessing her content

If you think I’m throwing out reads too confidently and it makes me scum I don’t know what else to say because honestly the buddying accusation is garbage and I’ve gotten it my whole mafia career and the reality is I’m much more likely to keep my options open when scum than town

I guess that makes sense, it's just drastically different to how you were in the other games, you have no sense of paranoia about you at all. It might just be because it's not a champs game anymore or something but it just feels really off and I can't ignore it because I haven't seen anything from you yet that makes me think you're Town, so I guess I'll just keep observing and questioning you to see if that changes

But I do have paranoia. How would you know that?

I don't want to engage in such paranoia actively at this stage for the most part. It's too early for that shit. Tsaiah is townier than literally everyone else in the game right now. I'm willing to fight anyone who wants to vote her for that reason.

No sense of paranoia, like, I don't feel it from you. If you don't want to engage with it then fair enough I guess, but I never got the impression you were not paranoid early on in my other experiences with you, which could be explained by different forums and circumstance sure but it feels scummy to me

[JaggedJimmyJay]

And well okay fair enough, but what gave you the impression M Plus 7 was the only guy in my crosshairs?

You summarized your reads recently:

Okay I'm caught up.

I think my top town-reads would be Jay and Tsiah. My main suspicion M Plus 7. Town lean on Mac too but I can't help but feel their post explaining their 'fake' reads was an excuse to stop Jay pushing on them, but it does make sense so I'm sort of like 'well fair enough'. I feel like I need to mull over that post

You named two top town reads (Tsaiah and I) and a lesser town read (MacDougall). You named only one suspicion (M Plus 7). If you have other suspicions, they apparently weren't notable enough to warrant mention here.

[Tangrowth]

And I should clarify

Tsaiah and I played the hydra game here even though she never posted and was able to play because she got deathly sick I have talked to her rather often about mafia

Further she was scum in the game we played on DLP at the same time and I have actually seen her as scum but she had to sub out (same timing because of getting sick)

I was immediately cautious of her in that game though it’s tough to know exactly how it would have gone

I can already sense a HUGE difference in the way she’s approaching the game here than she did there and based on our conversations

I also feel like I have a pretty good idea of how HER brain works and so far everything read like a genuine townie with no information excited to solve the game

Can you go into detail about this please? What differences can you sense, what about your conversations is informing your read etc?

Tsaiah is an incredible player, but her scum game needs a lot of work.

Add in the fact that she's in a totally foreign environment.

Add in the fact that if she's scum she'd be up against town!me right now, and I think that would rightfully terrify her.

Instead she's in here with literally every bit of free time, engaging other players, asking them questions, trying to get inside their head, making reads, etc. Her tone is also immaculate. Every single word reads like a townie with no information to me.

I think she's pure as fuck.

[Tangrowth]

You know

I think maybe there is a discernable thing i saw different in skimming M Plus 7's scumgame during his qualifier

I'll havta go look again and see

@M Plus 7 gimme scumgames on the syndicate pls n thx
I don't wanna dig thru your mu isos (plus i remember some links being now inaccessible in wcs)

No hurry tho, i'm gonna finish catching up and take a break first, might not get to that til tomorrow

(And no, i'm not telling you what i'm looking for )

Let me get back to you on this once I've caught up, then I'll be gone for a while myself. Don't let me forget if you happen to be around and I've not done it yet.

[Infected_alien8_]

And well okay fair enough, but what gave you the impression M Plus 7 was the only guy in my crosshairs?

You summarized your reads recently:

Okay I'm caught up.

I think my top town-reads would be Jay and Tsiah. My main suspicion M Plus 7. Town lean on Mac too but I can't help but feel their post explaining their 'fake' reads was an excuse to stop Jay pushing on them, but it does make sense so I'm sort of like 'well fair enough'. I feel like I need to mull over that post

You named two top town reads (Tsaiah and I) and a lesser town read (MacDougall). You named only one suspicion (M Plus 7). If you have other suspicions, they apparently weren't notable enough to warrant mention here.

Oh, fair enough. I just wanted to write down my main suspicion because my others I'm still sort of feeling out, like I'm awaiting kyle's response, I'm still waiting for more content from Luna, still waiting for more content from DH. The only solid suspicion, and my top suspicion, is M Plus 7, the others are light enough for me to not want to push on them for a lynch just yet, and after I'd just caught up posting my suspicions on the others I guess I didn't feel the need to re-state those suspicions again because I'd just said them

[DharmaHelper]

Ape no kill ape.

[Tangrowth]

Tinfoil thought:

Jay and Alien are scummates.

Expand.

I already have cooled off on it.

but basically at the time I felt like it was somewhat more like it's on his end than yours. In the moment it felt like Alien is actively trying to break up me and Tsaiah and then you coincidentally ask me the same question. I feel like he's been treating you differently than me or Tsaiah or another active player such as Mac but I'd have to dig through his ISO to confirm or deny that feeling. I also feel like you came to a townread of him rather quickly, but this point doesn't stand as much perhaps now that you're interrogating him (then again...).

[Tangrowth]

I also have a sneaking suspicion that scum!Alien is TMIing town!Tsaiah, and the easiest way for him to get engaged in this game is to fabricate a suspicion on town!me. I don't feel like his thoughts on me are progressing anywhere despite our already extensive dialogue. He just keeps coming back to "but...". At this point I don't feel like he's actually listening to me.

[Tangrowth]

If there's a deepwolf it's definitely Alien. I'm fine with everyone else.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]M Plus 7[/mention]
[mention]Infected_alien8_[/mention]

Refresh my memory. Did you both play in the qualifier and the wild card, or just the latter?

[Tangrowth]

Okay I'm caught up.

I think my top town-reads would be Jay and Tsiah. My main suspicion M Plus 7. Town lean on Mac too but I can't help but feel their post explaining their 'fake' reads was an excuse to stop Jay pushing on them, but it does make sense so I'm sort of like 'well fair enough'. I feel like I need to mull over that post

I'm increasingly wondering whether you actually suspect me.

Why's that?

Well I've just spoken to this.

It's a likely tinfoily thought, but it's a concern nonetheless. I'm starting to feel lately like you're just tunneling me as an act.

[Tangrowth]

M Plus 7
Infected_alien8_

Refresh my memory. Did you both play in the qualifier and the wild card, or just the latter?

Both.

[Infected_alien8_]

I also have a sneaking suspicion that scum!Alien is TMIing town!Tsaiah, and the easiest way for him to get engaged in this game is to fabricate a suspicion on town!me. I don't feel like his thoughts on me are progressing anywhere despite our already extensive dialogue. He just keeps coming back to "but...". At this point I don't feel like he's actually listening to me.

Sorry, I am listening to you, your explanations make sense, but they just don't change the way I feel about you. I feel like you're Mafia in my gut. If you're Town I think the most likely way my gut will change its mind is just to see you show your Town feathers as you would say, rather than give me explanations for your behaviour, because I'm not inclined to buy them, even though they make sense. So I guess it'll just keep feeling like talking to a brick wall with me, so I'm sorry about that

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If there's a deepwolf it's definitely Alien. I'm fine with everyone else.

I have some mild concern that abyssum's content to this point wouldn't pose a terrible challenge for a mafioso to generate, even if a few isolated moments seemed organic.

[Tangrowth]

Alien, who do you find most suspicious in this game apart from MP?

Hmm, probably Luna but I can only remember 2 posts from them and I feel like I need more content from them to solidify a read.

A trend I have noted in your posts is that you've been pretty agreeable, at least in your dealings with me, in that you have acknowledged at least some portion of a point being made without really committing to that thought. Indeed, the only commitment I observe in your play to this point is to voice suspicion of M Plus 7. I can understand having suspicions of MP, but for him to be the sole suspect of note at this stage of 700 some posts is hard to believe.

JAY AND SOCK MINDMELDING YEAHHHHHH

[JaggedJimmyJay]

M Plus 7
Infected_alien8_

Refresh my memory. Did you both play in the qualifier and the wild card, or just the latter?

Both.

You were both civilians in the qualifier, correct? If true, please describe briefly how the two of you interacted in that game -- was there some significant suspicion being traded in either direction?

[Tangrowth]

Robot - moderate town

Tell me more. My initial take on his efforts to catch up left me in a similar place to my initial allergies to alien's entry -- hodge podge review post with no theme other than "catch up with the game", seeming to net minimal reads production.

Gut thing. It's definitely fakeable. I just felt like Robot very quickly dug her (prefers she/her or them/they I believe but Robot can correct me if I'm wrong) heels into the thread and start digging. Yeah there's not like any really solid reads there but it did seem like genuine gears turning to me more than not.

I suppose jury's out a bit until she provides more content but I still feel like she's just on the cusp of moderate town at this stage.

I'm tired of ignoring my gut.

WC1 proved to me that my gut actually fucking knows what it's talking about more than I ever thought it does.

[Tangrowth]

Spoiler: show

Robot - moderate town

Tell me more. My initial take on his efforts to catch up left me in a similar place to my initial allergies to alien's entry -- hodge podge review post with no theme other than "catch up with the game", seeming to net minimal reads production.

Gut thing. It's definitely fakeable. I just felt like Robot very quickly dug her (prefers she/her or them/they I believe but Robot can correct me if I'm wrong) heels into the thread and start digging. Yeah there's not like any really solid reads there but it did seem like genuine gears turning to me more than not.

I suppose jury's out a bit until she provides more content but I still feel like she's just on the cusp of moderate town at this stage.

I'm tired of ignoring my gut.

WC1 proved to me that my gut actually fucking knows what it's talking about more than I ever thought it does.

Now watch Tsaiah be scum or something, but you know what, I think I'll find that out either way in due time.

[Infected_alien8_]

Also M Plus 7, why do you think the easiest way for me to fabricate a suspicion would be on you?

[Infected_alien8_]

If there's a deepwolf it's definitely Alien. I'm fine with everyone else.

I have some mild concern that abyssum's content to this point wouldn't pose a terrible challenge for a mafioso to generate, even if a few isolated moments seemed organic.

Which moments do you think seemed organic, could you quote them?

[Tangrowth]

One note: given the generally positive vibes I am getting from the most active core of play so far, I am finding the "null" players to be, by default, more suspicious than null. At this point if I have no concrete reason to see someone as a civilian or a mafioso, that's a bad thing.

I'll agree with that although I am actively searching for a deepwolf.

That's fair. I'd expect at least one.

This is the second post now that you've made that pinged me, Jay.

Why would you expect at least one?

This doesn't sound like something town!Jay would say at all.

I hate it.

[Tangrowth]

I really hate that post. It feels like Jay is subtly stoking the fires of my town paranoia. I never feel that way about town!Jay. Town!Jay is always blunt about everything. He never just plops something like that in the thread without saying who he thought that deepwolf was and why. It's stoking the fires of the thread without diving into it himself.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

One note: given the generally positive vibes I am getting from the most active core of play so far, I am finding the "null" players to be, by default, more suspicious than null. At this point if I have no concrete reason to see someone as a civilian or a mafioso, that's a bad thing.

I'll agree with that although I am actively searching for a deepwolf.

That's fair. I'd expect at least one.

This is the second post now that you've made that pinged me, Jay.

Why would you expect at least one?

This doesn't sound like something town!Jay would say at all.

I hate it.

You don't always have the clearest perception of what a "town!Jay" would say. I am not a press-button plastic toy with some revolving cycle of statements. We're all dynamic here.

The game has been active enough, and with a diverse enough set of contributors to that activity, that probability alone suggests at least one of them isn't a civilian. It's pretty unlikely the mafia team is exactly "DharmaHelper, Turnip Head, and Marmot" for example. There aren't many people left who've given little discernible effort.

[Tangrowth]

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Look at Tsaiah asking questions and shit.

TSAIAH IS PURE AS FUCK

I WILL CUT ANYONE THAT KILLS HER

Again the confidence in her purity even though you've never played a full game with her so presumably don't know her that well pings me. I agree she looks like she's genuinely solving but I also think she could be faking it, and I don't share your confidence in her being so pure to that degree, which is why it pings me

Ughhhh

Look Alien I never know anyone’s alignment 100%

If anything for me as a person it’s tough for me to feel confident about anything especially making assessments like this

I’ve decided that I’m a better player when I make assessments and stick to them instead of constantly second guessing myself and never arriving at any reads

My strongpoint is identifying town reads and crunching via POE

Those town reads will be reassessed with every single post

Yes I’m incredibly confident right now in tsaiah being town because I feel it in my gut

Will I feel that way on d1? Who knows because I will keep reassessing her content

If you think I’m throwing out reads too confidently and it makes me scum I don’t know what else to say because honestly the buddying accusation is garbage and I’ve gotten it my whole mafia career and the reality is I’m much more likely to keep my options open when scum than town

I guess that makes sense, it's just drastically different to how you were in the other games, you have no sense of paranoia about you at all. It might just be because it's not a champs game anymore or something but it just feels really off and I can't ignore it because I haven't seen anything from you yet that makes me think you're Town, so I guess I'll just keep observing and questioning you to see if that changes

But I do have paranoia. How would you know that?

I don't want to engage in such paranoia actively at this stage for the most part. It's too early for that shit. Tsaiah is townier than literally everyone else in the game right now. I'm willing to fight anyone who wants to vote her for that reason.

No sense of paranoia, like, I don't feel it from you. If you don't want to engage with it then fair enough I guess, but I never got the impression you were not paranoid early on in my other experiences with you, which could be explained by different forums and circumstance sure but it feels scummy to me

Lol at the timing of this.

[Tangrowth]

I also have a sneaking suspicion that scum!Alien is TMIing town!Tsaiah, and the easiest way for him to get engaged in this game is to fabricate a suspicion on town!me. I don't feel like his thoughts on me are progressing anywhere despite our already extensive dialogue. He just keeps coming back to "but...". At this point I don't feel like he's actually listening to me.

Sorry, I am listening to you, your explanations make sense, but they just don't change the way I feel about you. I feel like you're Mafia in my gut. If you're Town I think the most likely way my gut will change its mind is just to see you show your Town feathers as you would say, rather than give me explanations for your behaviour, because I'm not inclined to buy them, even though they make sense. So I guess it'll just keep feeling like talking to a brick wall with me, so I'm sorry about that

You should question me all you want. I'll do everything I can to show you I'm town.

[Tangrowth]

If there's a deepwolf it's definitely Alien. I'm fine with everyone else.

I have some mild concern that abyssum's content to this point wouldn't pose a terrible challenge for a mafioso to generate, even if a few isolated moments seemed organic.

Sure, I don't disagree, but I was thinking you/Alien/Tsaiah when I meant "deepwolf" specifically at this particular stage.