An Australian Country Murder Mystery (Day 4)

[Long Con]

I believe LC believes what he’s saying much more than I believe Nutella believes what she’s saying. He can gnaw on my pant leg for awhile.

please rephrase your last sentence, I try to understand it.

I’m characterizing LC as a small dog, grabbing my pantleg in his teeth and pulling. He’s “attacking” me but it doesn’t bother me and I’m not going to try to lynch him for it.

Ain't no big dog attacks on Day 1, dude. And so you would try to lynch people who suspect you, but only if you think they're serious and might be successful? You're just Mr "No U"?

This is Civ behaviour now? "I'd OMGUS him but i think I can weather this so I won't."

Okay, LC. Why should I suspect you as much as I suspect Nutella?

Vote me if you suspect me. Don't vote me because I suspect you. Don't vote anyone because they suspect you.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I believe LC believes what he’s saying much more than I believe Nutella believes what she’s saying. He can gnaw on my pant leg for awhile.

please rephrase your last sentence, I try to understand it.

I’m characterizing LC as a small dog, grabbing my pantleg in his teeth and pulling. He’s “attacking” me but it doesn’t bother me and I’m not going to try to lynch him for it.

Ain't no big dog attacks on Day 1, dude. And so you would try to lynch people who suspect you, but only if you think they're serious and might be successful? You're just Mr "No U"?

This is Civ behaviour now? "I'd OMGUS him but i think I can weather this so I won't."

Okay, LC. Why should I suspect you as much as I suspect Nutella?

Vote me if you suspect me. Don't vote me because I suspect you. Don't vote anyone because they suspect you.

Good advice.

I’m voting Nutella for saying things that aren’t true and answering my questions about her opinions with “lol idk.”

[Dom]

I think both LC and Jack don’t look great here.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I think both LC and Jack don’t look great here.

I look fabulous.

[nutella]

@DFaraday

You have a history of missing day phases and ending games with under 10 posts. I understand that irl stuff happens but It has become a pattern.

I would absolutely love to play a mafia game with you but that’s going to require you to play a mafia game with me as well.

Please post.

You're mafia.

No you.

If I was mafia, I wouldn’t start the game with a push on a guy who tends to get himself lynched all on his own.

Why wouldn't you? In a game with so few players, nearly all of which are vanilla, every town vote is significant. The usual approach of leaving me for late game won't fly here, since in a few phases I could conceivably pop back in after a hiatus and cast a deciding vote. It might be a better approach for the Mafia to go for a softball right out of the gate to get a jump on the numbers without really putting themselves on the line in the way they might in trying to fabricate a case on a more prominent player.

yeah. this is why "mislynch bait"/going after low-hanging fruit is a problem. it almost always ends up in the scum's favor

but I still feel like my initial concern wasn't even answered. Jack were you "pushing" DF with the post or not?

No. And you fucking know that.

I pinged him early and asked him to play.

Yes exactly. In your next post about it you implied you were pushing him. Do you see what I am confused about

[nutella]

You were suddenly very defensive and you were all "why would I push him if I were scum" but apparently you weren't even pushing him so why does that matter. It's an empty defense at best and a bizarre inconsistency/misdirection at worst

[Dom]

Jack— you’re doing the exact thing LC just accused you of.

[Dom]

[mention]Sloonei[/mention]

]Sloonei[/mention]

Maybe I missed it, but why are you voting LC?

[Jackofhearts2005]

You were suddenly very defensive and you were all "why would I push him if I were scum" but apparently you weren't even pushing him so why does that matter. It's an empty defense at best and a bizarre inconsistency/misdirection at worst

I guess it was a bizarre misdirection then.

You’re still a wolf.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack— you’re doing the exact thing LC just accused you of.

Which is what?

[nutella]

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine for now. I’m absolutely not getting lynched because I asked DF to play. Asinine.

I like this vote.

Jack-- talk to me about Long Con.

After catching up, I don't feel super strong about most of the field so far, but Nutella is a standout as seeming towny to me. She's offering thoughts on a lot of players, asking questions, not being waffly.

Why would I fucking buddy DF even if I was a wolf? There’s only about a 25% chance he even votes today.

I don’t believe you believe the things you are saying.

Gonna go ahead and vote [VOTE: Jack] aubergine for now.

Nutella’s town meta is being waffley and when asked to back up her opinions, she’s like “lol idk” and she’s not even really asking questions but making false statements.

Is that indicative of her mafia meta, though?

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Hey everyone! I hope we're not all acting Australian somehow, because I don't know how to do that and I'd end up going Crocodile Dundee.

Because this is his only post and it’s nothing at all.

Hey, don't vote me! We're voting Jack.

lol I wanted to question your sheeping of me but this is legit, you can have a townread

This game is a joke right? Everyone high giving and giving townreads to scummy players. Wtf?

I don't like the LC/nutella interaction either.
So-- which is worse, nutella or LC?

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

Stupid Sloonei frisbee votes.

I'm unclear on a clear rationale as to why you're voting nutella. Can you explain it linearly?

Why nutella over LC?

Nutella: Jack is suspicious.
Jack: Why?
Nutella: Cause you did this thing.
Jack: I clearly didn’t. Why am I suspicious?
Nutella: Cause maybe you were doing this other thing.
Jack: That’s stupid. Of course I wouldn’t do that as a wolf. Why am I suspicious?
Nutella: Lol idk.
LC: I like the part where Nutella says “Cause you did this thing.” Vote Jack”
Tony: Jack is obviously town.
Quin: Jack is obviously town.
Nutella: Tony Probably has tmi.

So Nutella has been caught making false statements, reads that aren’t based on anything and general jenga-y play.

Doesn’t keep pushing me. Doesn’t drop it. Switches to a clarifying question with an already apparent answer that doesn’t really do anything but deescalate and moves on to Tony.

Yeah so I haven't quite sorted out whether I suspect you, because I'm literally just trying to figure out why your second post about DF existed. once you fucking answer that maybe I'll have a real take. I just don't understand why you jumped to a "why would I do this as scum" defense about something you didn't do.

[nutella]

You were suddenly very defensive and you were all "why would I push him if I were scum" but apparently you weren't even pushing him so why does that matter. It's an empty defense at best and a bizarre inconsistency/misdirection at worst

I guess it was a bizarre misdirection then.

You’re still a wolf.

Great answer

And no, I'm not. You're trying to make that stick but have no actual reasons. Try elsewhere.

[Sloonei]

Jack is town.

[nutella]

If you changed your mind on me, that’s not an excuse. I want answers.

I gave you some.

You aren't infallible. Why should I just trust you?

Drop the arrogance and engage with me.

Infallible implies I’m making a mistake. As a wolf? What mistake am I making? As a townie? Then what’s your point?

You're being pedantic.

I'm trying to engage with you on the level. I'm saying if you're a civvie, you're not perfect so drop the act and just talk to people.

I’m not perfect. I’m unlynchable.

Who wants to test this theory


[VOTE: jack] aubergine

[nutella]

Jack is town.

Why's that

[Jackofhearts2005]

Cause I spent a long time trying to type a message that both emphasized how I think it’s important that DF actually play the game without sounding like a dick and I guess I was ready to get flack for it. DF is mislynch bait when he’s town and I was taking a somewhat hostile stance towards him.

[Jackofhearts2005]

If you changed your mind on me, that’s not an excuse. I want answers.

I gave you some.

You aren't infallible. Why should I just trust you?

Drop the arrogance and engage with me.

Infallible implies I’m making a mistake. As a wolf? What mistake am I making? As a townie? Then what’s your point?

You're being pedantic.

I'm trying to engage with you on the level. I'm saying if you're a civvie, you're not perfect so drop the act and just talk to people.

I’m not perfect. I’m unlynchable.

Who wants to test this theory


[VOTE: jack] aubergine

Ooph. Yeah, let’s test a theory.

Cause the theory says you get lynched today, not me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

You were suddenly very defensive and you were all "why would I push him if I were scum" but apparently you weren't even pushing him so why does that matter. It's an empty defense at best and a bizarre inconsistency/misdirection at worst

I guess it was a bizarre misdirection then.

You’re still a wolf.

Great answer

And no, I'm not. You're trying to make that stick but have no actual reasons. Try elsewhere.

No. You’re today’s lynch.

You can keep pushing but I already have three players townreading me.

You’ve already spewed me, DF and Tony town.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Notice how the strength of Nutella’s read moves with the thread momentum.

I push back on her and she suddenly thinks I’m town and Tony is a wolf for having tmi on me.

She leaves for a bit and comes back to me questioning her and says “I’m just trying to figure out what you meant.”

Then she sees I have two votes on me and votes there as well, forgetting her earlier tmi read.

She’s not hunting. She’s looking for a mislynch and looking to avoid trouble.

She’s a wolf.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: JackofHearts2005] aubergine

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei

]Sloonei[/mention]

Maybe I missed it, but why are you voting LC?

He made a bland entrance.

[Jackofhearts2005]

If Nutella is a wolf, LC is town as well.

[Sloonei]

Jack is town.

Why's that

Prodding DF the way he did probably isn’t a thing scum jack does. Overreacting to initial concerns over it definitely is not a thing scum jack does. He’s a player that people treat with skepticism fairly often because his style of play doesn’t change much between factions. I sense that his frustration today stems from being tired of being misread, especially this aggressively so early on in a game.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

I do not like his Jack vote.

[nutella]

I believe LC believes what he’s saying much more than I believe Nutella believes what she’s saying. He can gnaw on my pant leg for awhile.

please rephrase your last sentence, I try to understand it.

I’m characterizing LC as a small dog, grabbing my pantleg in his teeth and pulling. He’s “attacking” me but it doesn’t bother me and I’m not going to try to lynch him for it.

Ain't no big dog attacks on Day 1, dude. And so you would try to lynch people who suspect you, but only if you think they're serious and might be successful? You're just Mr "No U"?

This is Civ behaviour now? "I'd OMGUS him but i think I can weather this so I won't."

Okay, LC. Why should I suspect you as much as I suspect Nutella?

Vote me if you suspect me. Don't vote me because I suspect you. Don't vote anyone because they suspect you.

Good advice.

I’m voting Nutella for saying things that aren’t true and answering my questions about her opinions with “lol idk.”

Lol didn't you just say that was my town meta tho

You're so full of inconsistencies your eyes are heterochromatic

[Epignosis]

[nutella]

Cause I spent a long time trying to type a message that both emphasized how I think it’s important that DF actually play the game without sounding like a dick and I guess I was ready to get flack for it. DF is mislynch bait when he’s town and I was taking a somewhat hostile stance towards him.

Yeah this still doesn't explain why you got all defensive about pushing him when you weren't pushing him

[Jackofhearts2005]

please rephrase your last sentence, I try to understand it.

I’m characterizing LC as a small dog, grabbing my pantleg in his teeth and pulling. He’s “attacking” me but it doesn’t bother me and I’m not going to try to lynch him for it.

Ain't no big dog attacks on Day 1, dude. And so you would try to lynch people who suspect you, but only if you think they're serious and might be successful? You're just Mr "No U"?

This is Civ behaviour now? "I'd OMGUS him but i think I can weather this so I won't."

Okay, LC. Why should I suspect you as much as I suspect Nutella?

Vote me if you suspect me. Don't vote me because I suspect you. Don't vote anyone because they suspect you.

Good advice.

I’m voting Nutella for saying things that aren’t true and answering my questions about her opinions with “lol idk.”

Lol didn't you just say that was my town meta tho

You're so full of inconsistencies your eyes are heterochromatic

What? No. Your town meta is that you’re waffly. Waffling and being misleading are not the same thing. They’re not even remotely similar. Waffling and having reads that you can’t given reasons for because they’re fake are not the same thing either.

You’re not considering my alignment. You’re considering my vulnerability.

[nutella]

Notice how the strength of Nutella’s read moves with the thread momentum.

I push back on her and she suddenly thinks I’m town and Tony is a wolf for having tmi on me.

She leaves for a bit and comes back to me questioning her and says “I’m just trying to figure out what you meant.”

Then she sees I have two votes on me and votes there as well, forgetting her earlier tmi read.

She’s not hunting. She’s looking for a mislynch and looking to avoid trouble.

She’s a wolf.

No dude, my read of Tony happened because of Tony's post, not because of you. Calm your ego.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Cause I spent a long time trying to type a message that both emphasized how I think it’s important that DF actually play the game without sounding like a dick and I guess I was ready to get flack for it. DF is mislynch bait when he’s town and I was taking a somewhat hostile stance towards him.

Yeah this still doesn't explain why you got all defensive about pushing him when you weren't pushing him

Hang on to that idea like your life depends on it, fur ball.

I’ve got six pelts this year from wolves doing exactly what you’re trying to do.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Notice how the strength of Nutella’s read moves with the thread momentum.

I push back on her and she suddenly thinks I’m town and Tony is a wolf for having tmi on me.

She leaves for a bit and comes back to me questioning her and says “I’m just trying to figure out what you meant.”

Then she sees I have two votes on me and votes there as well, forgetting her earlier tmi read.

She’s not hunting. She’s looking for a mislynch and looking to avoid trouble.

She’s a wolf.

No dude, my read of Tony happened because of Tony's post, not because of you. Calm your ego.

How can Tony have a tmi townread on me if I’m a wolf?

[nutella]

Also I didn't look at the poll before voting, didn't even know you already had two votes (though I guess I remember LC's.) I was surprised actually

[nutella]

Jack is town.

Why's that

Prodding DF the way he did probably isn’t a thing scum jack does. Overreacting to initial concerns over it definitely is not a thing scum jack does. He’s a player that people treat with skepticism fairly often because his style of play doesn’t change much between factions. I sense that his frustration today stems from being tired of being misread, especially this aggressively so early on in a game.

ok

[nutella]

I’m characterizing LC as a small dog, grabbing my pantleg in his teeth and pulling. He’s “attacking” me but it doesn’t bother me and I’m not going to try to lynch him for it.

Ain't no big dog attacks on Day 1, dude. And so you would try to lynch people who suspect you, but only if you think they're serious and might be successful? You're just Mr "No U"?

This is Civ behaviour now? "I'd OMGUS him but i think I can weather this so I won't."

Okay, LC. Why should I suspect you as much as I suspect Nutella?

Vote me if you suspect me. Don't vote me because I suspect you. Don't vote anyone because they suspect you.

Good advice.

I’m voting Nutella for saying things that aren’t true and answering my questions about her opinions with “lol idk.”

Lol didn't you just say that was my town meta tho

You're so full of inconsistencies your eyes are heterochromatic

What? No. Your town meta is that you’re waffly. Waffling and being misleading are not the same thing. They’re not even remotely similar. Waffling and having reads that you can’t given reasons for because they’re fake are not the same thing either.

You’re not considering my alignment. You’re considering my vulnerability.

No you literally said my town meta is to say "lol idk"

[Jackofhearts2005]

Ain't no big dog attacks on Day 1, dude. And so you would try to lynch people who suspect you, but only if you think they're serious and might be successful? You're just Mr "No U"?

This is Civ behaviour now? "I'd OMGUS him but i think I can weather this so I won't."

Okay, LC. Why should I suspect you as much as I suspect Nutella?

Vote me if you suspect me. Don't vote me because I suspect you. Don't vote anyone because they suspect you.

Good advice.

I’m voting Nutella for saying things that aren’t true and answering my questions about her opinions with “lol idk.”

Lol didn't you just say that was my town meta tho

You're so full of inconsistencies your eyes are heterochromatic

What? No. Your town meta is that you’re waffly. Waffling and being misleading are not the same thing. They’re not even remotely similar. Waffling and having reads that you can’t given reasons for because they’re fake are not the same thing either.

You’re not considering my alignment. You’re considering my vulnerability.

No you literally said my town meta is to say "lol idk"

The fuck are you talking about?

[nutella]

Cause I spent a long time trying to type a message that both emphasized how I think it’s important that DF actually play the game without sounding like a dick and I guess I was ready to get flack for it. DF is mislynch bait when he’s town and I was taking a somewhat hostile stance towards him.

Yeah this still doesn't explain why you got all defensive about pushing him when you weren't pushing him

Hang on to that idea like your life depends on it, fur ball.

I’ve got six pelts this year from wolves doing exactly what you’re trying to do.

I'm not "trying to do" anything lol

[nutella]

Notice how the strength of Nutella’s read moves with the thread momentum.

I push back on her and she suddenly thinks I’m town and Tony is a wolf for having tmi on me.

She leaves for a bit and comes back to me questioning her and says “I’m just trying to figure out what you meant.”

Then she sees I have two votes on me and votes there as well, forgetting her earlier tmi read.

She’s not hunting. She’s looking for a mislynch and looking to avoid trouble.

She’s a wolf.

No dude, my read of Tony happened because of Tony's post, not because of you. Calm your ego.

How can Tony have a tmi townread on me if I’m a wolf?

Ya that's why I wasn't sure. But I think it's quite likely one of you is bad. If you don't want me to vote for you convince me it's Tony.

[nutella]

After catching up, I don't feel super strong about most of the field so far, but Nutella is a standout as seeming towny to me. She's offering thoughts on a lot of players, asking questions, not being waffly.

Why would I fucking buddy DF even if I was a wolf? There’s only about a 25% chance he even votes today.

I don’t believe you believe the things you are saying.

Gonna go ahead and vote [VOTE: Jack] aubergine for now.

Nutella’s town meta is being waffley and when asked to back up her opinions, she’s like “lol idk” and she’s not even really asking questions but making false statements.

This lmao

[nutella]

Sloonei might be right about you though, I'll think about it.

Or he might be your buddy lol

[Jackofhearts2005]

Notice how the strength of Nutella’s read moves with the thread momentum.

I push back on her and she suddenly thinks I’m town and Tony is a wolf for having tmi on me.

She leaves for a bit and comes back to me questioning her and says “I’m just trying to figure out what you meant.”

Then she sees I have two votes on me and votes there as well, forgetting her earlier tmi read.

She’s not hunting. She’s looking for a mislynch and looking to avoid trouble.

She’s a wolf.

No dude, my read of Tony happened because of Tony's post, not because of you. Calm your ego.

How can Tony have a tmi townread on me if I’m a wolf?

Ya that's why I wasn't sure. But I think it's quite likely one of you is bad. If you don't want me to vote for you convince me it's Tony.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] [mention]Dom[/mention] [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention]

[Jackofhearts2005]

After catching up, I don't feel super strong about most of the field so far, but Nutella is a standout as seeming towny to me. She's offering thoughts on a lot of players, asking questions, not being waffly.

Why would I fucking buddy DF even if I was a wolf? There’s only about a 25% chance he even votes today.

I don’t believe you believe the things you are saying.

Gonna go ahead and vote [VOTE: Jack] aubergine for now.

Nutella’s town meta is being waffley and when asked to back up her opinions, she’s like “lol idk” and she’s not even really asking questions but making false statements.

This lmao

These are separate thoughts.

You think I think your town meta includes “she’s not even really asking questions but making false statements?”

Come the fuck on.

[nutella]

After catching up, I don't feel super strong about most of the field so far, but Nutella is a standout as seeming towny to me. She's offering thoughts on a lot of players, asking questions, not being waffly.

Why would I fucking buddy DF even if I was a wolf? There’s only about a 25% chance he even votes today.

I don’t believe you believe the things you are saying.

Gonna go ahead and vote [VOTE: Jack] aubergine for now.

Nutella’s town meta is being waffley and when asked to back up her opinions, she’s like “lol idk” and she’s not even really asking questions but making false statements.

This lmao

These are separate thoughts.

You think I think your town meta includes “she’s not even really asking questions but making false statements?”

Come the fuck on.

....uh I guess I read the last bit as a separate thought but not the middle bit? Idk you worded that really badly bit also the lol idk part is actually accurate so it made sense in my head

[nutella]

I haven't made any false statements though, no idea what you're referring to there. I have a truth meta y'know

[Jackofhearts2005]

I haven't made any false statements though, no idea what you're referring to there. I have a truth meta y'know

Oh yeah me too.

Talk to me about Tony and why you suspect him so much.

[nutella]

I haven't made any false statements though, no idea what you're referring to there. I have a truth meta y'know

Oh yeah me too.

Talk to me about Tony and why you suspect him so much.

His post about you was icky. Do you believe what he said about him being able to read you by d3? "Unless he dies first" lol

[nutella]

Alright who’s a murderer

Chop chop give yourself up it’s an inevitability you will be caught and hanged for your crimes

Also he opened with this cartoonishly aggro jokey thing, idk probably NAI but it seemed uncharacteristic

[Jackofhearts2005]

I haven't made any false statements though, no idea what you're referring to there. I have a truth meta y'know

Oh yeah me too.

Talk to me about Tony and why you suspect him so much.

His post about you was icky. Do you believe what he said about him being able to read you by d3? "Unless he dies first" lol

Absolutely, I do. The last time he was a townie and I was a wolf, he died absolutely certain that I was a wolf.

[Michelle]

I believe LC believes what he’s saying much more than I believe Nutella believes what she’s saying. He can gnaw on my pant leg for awhile.

please rephrase your last sentence, I try to understand it.

I’m characterizing LC as a small dog, grabbing my pantleg in his teeth and pulling. He’s “attacking” me but it doesn’t bother me and I’m not going to try to lynch him for it.

i see, you want to make him feel small but worthy ^^
Seems like you TR him for that it's correct?

Going to catch up now

[Jackofhearts2005]

I believe LC believes what he’s saying much more than I believe Nutella believes what she’s saying. He can gnaw on my pant leg for awhile.

please rephrase your last sentence, I try to understand it.

I’m characterizing LC as a small dog, grabbing my pantleg in his teeth and pulling. He’s “attacking” me but it doesn’t bother me and I’m not going to try to lynch him for it.

i see, you want to make him feel small but worthy ^^
Seems like you TR him for that it's correct?

Going to catch up now

More like “misguided but harmless” and wolves are neither.

Yes, I think LC is town. If Nutella flips wolf, that read strengthens because I don’t think they do all the things they’re doing as teammates.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m not really a fan of Epi’s posts but they’re so bare bones, I don’t know how to read them. It would be convenient if he would speak [mention]Epignosis[/mention]