The Lion King [MAFIA WIN]

[Scirrus]

anyway i really have to go rip.

[Scirrus]

my reads are the same tbh tbh

[tutuu]

long con staying under the radar smh

but then again thats probably NAI for him

[Alison]

I've noticed when I was catching up quite a few people saying stuff along the lines of "I don't know how to read Alison". That's fine. But usually, I'd expect someone to ask me to describe my meta, or explain the differences between me being town and me being scum so they can read me better. Or even to ask the people I last played with what I was like.

I don't know what to make of this, but it bothered me a little so I'm writing it down.

[Dyslexicon]

Alright. I see your reasoning. Why do you town read Michelle though, and also Proto? I have them both as possible lynches today, does that make me suspicious too? What do you think about me town reading Scirrus, considering I know him pretty well. I wish I could explain my read better actually, and I'd hate to be wrong on this. But I really don't see the scum there.

I don't townread Michelle.
Not going to justify my townread on proto unless he gets close to banishment.
I don't think you're suspicious, just looking in the wrong directions. I also think that you're the type of player who builds an understanding of a couple of players' alignments, then uses that to build a broader understanding of the game as a whole. Is that wrong? If that's how you look at the game, it would make sense to me that one wrong read would lead to others.

That is probably correct. Though I would say I operate with multiple possible worlds on top of each other. Also, the deeper insights you have, the more I worry about you being scum. So that's fun.

[protocultures]

It's cool you townread me but I have no idea why you townread me.

I have one more question: Last game you said multiple times that you were suspicious of people town reading you and that you thought people should push you or suspect you more, at least from how I remember it. Why is your reaction to me pushing you that I must be scum now?

I didn't say it's only scum dizzy. It can also be town dizzy who is trying to kill town. They must both be stopped if possible.

If it makes you feel better it's unlikely you get misyeeted so your record is unlikely to be tarnished this day.

I was right to be suspicious of people townreading me because I thought mafia would be in there. That was correct.

You have had enough experience through the game and spec chat to know how my mind works by now to make a decent read on me. In the same way as I do on tutuu now. I'm still a bit traumatised by Alison. I was leaving you alone until you wanted to push into jeraldoo and me because you were within "dizzy town range".

[Alison]

Alison have you given a read on me yet?

Nope. You're still kinda nullish for me - I just don't get a strong read off your posts. Sorry if you're town! The fact that you're being pushed as the counterwagon to Michelle, who I think is scum, is sort of promising and it's why I won't support your execution today.

Okay, I don't think Alison and Urist are w/w at least.

Why do you think this? I don't think anything in our interactions wasn't easily fakeable.

im curious what are your intentions behind this post ali? cuz like, u already have mp7 as high town, i doubt u ask this to solve her alignment.

so like, were you just thinking out loud / like did it bother you that something that u perceive as illogical was said so u felt the need to argue it, just for the sake of arguing something that u think is wrong? or some other reason?

I was confused and seeking clarification. Nothing in our interactions felt like something that should strike off W/W to me, so I wanted to know MP7's perspective to better understand her thinking.

[Dyslexicon]

I've noticed when I was catching up quite a few people saying stuff along the lines of "I don't know how to read Alison". That's fine. But usually, I'd expect someone to ask me to describe my meta, or explain the differences between me being town and me being scum so they can read me better. Or even to ask the people I last played with what I was like.

I don't know what to make of this, but it bothered me a little so I'm writing it down.

I mean, I was one of the people saying that, and I've seen you as both so rip I guess. Tbh I'm more so hoping you are town atm. And it's probably fair to say I should do more to solve your alignment. I don't want to yeet you today, but I also don't want to lose lol

[tutuu]

alright!

[Urist]

[VOTE: jeraldooo] aubergine

not going to be around for deadline, 7pm is awful for me. like i might jump on to resolve a tie or something but that's it.
scirrus isn't getting banished today so let's try this

[Alison]

Actually oh boy, I didn't realize we started at 7:00 PM. I do not have enough time for the day 1 because my work ends at 5PM tomorrow so I will have only two hours, should I DM and have someone replace me?

this guy is like lock town.

bit of background on 1612. Nicest guy ever. Also, fabulous hair. Just amazing. The best. We often have to wait for him to finish blowdrying it before we can start a voice mafia game with him. We wait for him because hes awesome.

So anyway, if he was mafia, he would just skip sleep and post so as to not let down his mafia team. He is only floating the idea of having someone else sub in because he is town and doesnt feel like he would be letting down a team.

my 2 cents, take it or leave it since its basically an entirely OGI read.

I'm a liiiitle uncomfortable with how angleshooty this read feels, but I guess it's not that different from a meta read of "1612 would put in more effort if they were scum so they wouldn't let their team down". I'll accept this read.

[Alison]

Also lol, Michelle, I don't think clearing MP off of volume is how reading MP works imo. It's like clearing Hally on volume which is lol. Do you not think she can post as much as scum?

Clear me off of volume instead.

[Alison]

What do people think about yeeting Alison just to see how she'd flip? Cause I think that would be pretty fun tbh tbh

[juliets]

The tutuu ISO link has been fixed.

[Dyslexicon]

I need to take a break. I'll be back in good time before EoD I think.

MP, help.

[VOTE: Jeraldo] aubergine

I don't know where I am with Proto. He just doesn't make sense to me. To be fair, he didn't last game either, but then at least I town read him anyway. I'll mull ig

[tutuu]

Also lol, Michelle, I don't think clearing MP off of volume is how reading MP works imo. It's like clearing Hally on volume which is lol. Do you not think she can post as much as scum?

Clear me off of volume instead.

[Alison]

Last few pages thoughts:

- Coming in and scumreading a bunch of town players is one of those mafia strategies that people often talk about, and often are paranoid about, but in my experience, is rarely actually executed by the mafia. The default instinct is to be agreeable, to go with the flow, and to avoid drawing too much attention to yourself. I'm sure it's within a strong scum player's range, but on the face of it, it is more townie than scummy. I think jeraldo is town.

- Dizzy and proto have very different ways of playing the game, and that leads to clashes and them mutually finding each other suspicious. I'm not really convinced by each person's case on the other, and I suspect that this is just an extension of that clash of playstyles more than anything. In a vacuum, I'd expect Dizzy and proto to wrongly scumread each other more often in general because of that.

[Alison]

i shouldn't be the axe today. Just saying. I trust you town. Please believe <3

okii i perceive this as a PR soft claim, mafia pls kill scirrus to flip him! (sorry scirrus, very cruel of me to write this post lol, but mafia is no fun and games its serious business!!!)

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine (i dont actively scumread anyone btw)

Wait what?

tutuu if you genuinely thought this was a PR soft why would you out Scirrus instead of quietly switching your vote to Michelle?

[Alison]

uhhh proto didnt u also butt heads with dizzy last game and werent u both town? >.>

Dizzy was in a null pile for ages and then we enacted the kill 4 plan which was a disaster. I take credit for that disaster too.

I didn't really butt heads with dizzy because I was too busy tunnelling epi. Fun times.

I was so fucking not in the null pile. I was obvious to town to anyone who knows me. I'd advice listening to that. I'll be damned if this happens again. I know I have obvious self bias, but this is how I feel.

If it's worth anything, Dizzy, I thought you were town the whole time.

[tutuu]

i shouldn't be the axe today. Just saying. I trust you town. Please believe <3

okii i perceive this as a PR soft claim, mafia pls kill scirrus to flip him! (sorry scirrus, very cruel of me to write this post lol, but mafia is no fun and games its serious business!!!)

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine (i dont actively scumread anyone btw)

Wait what?

tutuu if you genuinely thought this was a PR soft why would you out Scirrus instead of quietly switching your vote to Michelle?

i guess impatience. i want maf to use their kill on someone in our poe

[Alison]

So, my catchup's done. Here's why Michelle is scum.

Fos for tutuu because he expects performance like Dizzy is a robot working at a norm. I see it as a joke too but i dislike it.
Also associative reads so early? smh

I was first pinged by this post. I didn't like the mental gymnastics here - at once she simultaneously acknowledges that it was a joke from tutuu, and at the same time says that we should scumread tutuu for it. That doesn't really make sense to me - and it reads like an attempt to shade tutuu.

Later on Michelle says she is very busy and doesn't have time to read the game. I believe her. When you're scum and you don't have time to properly read and invest time into the game, you're far more likely to wolf "openly" (just straight up pushing your agenda, attacking town players, defending buddies etc. as opposed to more WIFOMy or manipulative plays). And you're far more likely to just skim through the thread until you find something a townie said that looks objectionable or sketchy, slap a scumread on them for it, and boom! You're done. You look like you've done solving and you've cast shade on a townie. That's what wolves who can't put in effort do.

It depends on my mates but usually no

This part rang as suspicious as well. Michelle's tone has come across as being rather uncomfortable this game. Not rushed, not cramped or curt, but uncomfortable. When she says she doesn't like playing scum - then I am inclined to suspect that the source of her discomfort is her role card.

Prepare yourself to be disappointed.
I'm really busy and my playtime it's very short, take it as you like it.
But for you to jump like this on a lynching bait is nagl

This post is really bad, and it's a continuation of the behavior I described earlier - lazily picking out something objectionable to scumread and calling it bad to shade that player. If Michelle is town here, why does she think of herself as exebait? She hasn't posted anything overtly scummy, and she hasn't even let on that she's going to be relatively inactive at the time I "jumped" on her. She's not a chronically misexecuted player either - she's a Champs level player. I think she doesn't actually think she's exebait - she's just looking for a reason to make me look bad (she even calls it nagl - not a good look).

Note the agenda behind Michelle's post here. Exebaits, by definition, are people who are easy to execute because they exhibit scummy behavior. In other words, if she really was exebait, then I could easily be a town member falling for the exebait. How does Michelle know I'm scum trying to push her on false pretences rather than town attacking what appears to be a scummy individual? Does she put any effort into trying to sort me, or figure out my perspective or point of view to think if I'm attacking her from a scummy or townie standpoint? No, she doesn't - she's just coming at me with the intention of making me look bad.

Without reading much i want to consider M7 volume cleared for now, and my wagon suspect for voting me for few not AI posts.

Michelle

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33% Voters: Scirrus, Alison

[VOTE: Scirrus] aubergine

The MP7 volume clear is lazy. If you're good enough to be in Champs, you're good enough to know that scum can have a high volume of posts. The suspicion on her wagon feels like lashing out in an OMGUS-y way. Specifically, the claim that we're voting her for NAI posts is suspect. Her post literally had an FoS on tutuu. Is that NAI? I don't think so. I think it's just Michelle - yet again - making up reasons to frame people's actions in a bad light, in a way that looks plausible on the surface (or to someone skimming the game because they're busy, like her), but that doesn't stand up to careful examination.

[Alison]

tl;dr - almost everything that Michelle has been saying is tinged with agenda, makes absolutely no sense, and fits completely within the MO of a busy wolf who doesn't have time to read or post carefully.

[Urist]

[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] i'm cool with the jeraldooo banish, but if we want to nab Alison we should probably do it today.

[tutuu]

hands off alison shes my friend and im pretty sure shes town

[Alison]

@Dyslexicon i'm cool with the jeraldooo banish, but if we want to nab Alison we should probably do it today.

I don't understand this post.

[Urist]

I don't understand this post.

good thing it wasn't directed at you then

[Alison]

Actually, Urist, I want you to vote between Scirrus and Michelle today. I don't like that you're trying to go for a third option (whether it be jeraldo or me), because I think that when there's two closely tied wagons and the people they're on have high scum equity, it can be very alignment-revealing to force people to choose between them. For example, if Michelle flips scum, that says things about the people on her, and it says things about the people who were adamant about being on the counterwagon to her.

Do you have a compelling reason to believe that either jeraldo or I are better votes than Michelle/Scirrus, given the above analysis?

[tutuu]

I believe ive explained all of my reads in detail except alison

I will confess that the reason is purely selfish. as in, she believes that you can only catch her based off of reasons X Y Z which she had previously told me. i believe ive caught her as town based off of reason M and i dont wanna disclose M

[Urist]

Do you have a compelling reason to believe that either jeraldo or I are better votes than Michelle/Scirrus, given the above analysis?

My preferred banishments are Scirrus >> Alison > jeraldooo.
Unfortunately I don't have high hopes for Scirrus getting banished, given the PR claim he's thrown out.
Also unfortunately I'm under pressure to decide my vote early since I won't be around for deadline.

[Alison]

Do you have a compelling reason to believe that either jeraldo or I are better votes than Michelle/Scirrus, given the above analysis?

My preferred banishments are Scirrus >> Alison > jeraldooo.
Unfortunately I don't have high hopes for Scirrus getting banished, given the PR claim he's thrown out.
Also unfortunately I'm under pressure to decide my vote early since I won't be around for deadline.

Why do all these people have scum equity over Michelle?

[Alison]

I believe ive explained all of my reads in detail except alison

I will confess that the reason is purely selfish. as in, she believes that you can only catch her based off of reasons X Y Z which she had previously told me. i believe ive caught her as town based off of reason M and i dont wanna disclose M

I'll be very eager to hear what M is postgame so I can fake it when I'm scum.

[tutuu]

I believe ive explained all of my reads in detail except alison

I will confess that the reason is purely selfish. as in, she believes that you can only catch her based off of reasons X Y Z which she had previously told me. i believe ive caught her as town based off of reason M and i dont wanna disclose M

I'll be very eager to hear what M is postgame so I can fake it when I'm scum.

Too bad cuz unlike you im selfish and i dont reveal stuff like that willy nilly :P

well, maybe we can barter. a trade for a trade. we'll talk post game lul

[Alison]

[Urist]

Why do all these people have scum equity over Michelle?

I feel like I've explained these things already.

[Alison]

Why do all these people have scum equity over Michelle?

I feel like I've explained these things already.

No, I didn't mean "why is X scummy". I meant "why is X scummier than Michelle". I'd like you to weigh your reasons for scumreading them against my stated case against Michelle, and explain why you don't believe in my case as much.

[Alison]

(I have no idea how that eye emoji got there. I didn't intend to put it there.)

[Lavender]

hi everybody please enjoy the following reads which i had a great time making and consist of a combination of my brain and heart

notes:

1612 - if he ever says "oh no" it's a sure sign of absolutely nothing because its nai. we play all the time on mafia.gg. if he doesn't tunnel me he is likely mafia. if he does tunnel me we're both town
Alison - gut townread, i like the early reaction test voting on michelle cuz it's something i do a lot, will be watching to see if it was really a reaction test or something else
cobbler - gut scum read
Dyslexicon - they and mp7 are not both scum, see below ⬇
jeraldooo - now u may or may not know this but jeraldoo and i have a psychic connection where we can pretty much always townread each other when we are both town. on the other hand we also townread each when one of us is mafia and one of us is town. or at least when i'm mafia and he's town. i don't actually know if this holds true if we are both mafia. but anyway i'm gonna bus him if he doesn't show up soon
Long Con - gut scum read, i don't like the warning to dyslexicon about mplus7
Michelle - probably pr, come at me
M Plus 7: apparently universally townread. into transparency. has lots of interaction with dyslexicon. so...doubt they are both scum
proto - in mafia.gg and daily mafia my scumtells for proto are scumreading someone quickly d1 and then backing off. so i'm watching to see if he backs off urist. on the other hand he put a lot of effort into his reads. but i guess that's the point of forum. also proto and i aren't both scum cuz would we really use the same format of posting notes, hell no we wouldn't, like i actually copy pasted it, come on now
Scirrus - putting lots of effort into their posts, but i townread them more than urist
tutuuu - town, i like their style. this is probably going to be my gut tr that causes me to lose the game for town in f3, which will be an excellent opportunity for me to become the forum player i was born to be, next game of course
Urist - posted scar poem, nai all the way down. putting lots of effort into their posts. i kinda want to vote them to pocket proto, also they seem like the kind of town player that mafia would be scared to push, so we can just banish them and then vote the nonvoters when they flip blue, game solved pog

so long story short i'm voting long con. now i have to figure out how to vote, hold up

so someone asked me later in the read what bits I disagree with from Lav.

Cobbler being scum. nah

I disagree they should gut scumread LC. There isnt enough to read LC at all.

Michelle being PR. I get no PR vibes at all.

Michelle, now that uve claimed villy, what do u think about the fact that I said u were pr? I'm never voting u btw

[tutuu]

lol

u realize ur not talking to michelle right?

[Lavender]

hi everybody please enjoy the following reads which i had a great time making and consist of a combination of my brain and heart

notes:

1612 - if he ever says "oh no" it's a sure sign of absolutely nothing because its nai. we play all the time on mafia.gg. if he doesn't tunnel me he is likely mafia. if he does tunnel me we're both town
Alison - gut townread, i like the early reaction test voting on michelle cuz it's something i do a lot, will be watching to see if it was really a reaction test or something else
cobbler - gut scum read
Dyslexicon - they and mp7 are not both scum, see below ⬇
jeraldooo - now u may or may not know this but jeraldoo and i have a psychic connection where we can pretty much always townread each other when we are both town. on the other hand we also townread each when one of us is mafia and one of us is town. or at least when i'm mafia and he's town. i don't actually know if this holds true if we are both mafia. but anyway i'm gonna bus him if he doesn't show up soon
Long Con - gut scum read, i don't like the warning to dyslexicon about mplus7
Michelle - probably pr, come at me
M Plus 7: apparently universally townread. into transparency. has lots of interaction with dyslexicon. so...doubt they are both scum
proto - in mafia.gg and daily mafia my scumtells for proto are scumreading someone quickly d1 and then backing off. so i'm watching to see if he backs off urist. on the other hand he put a lot of effort into his reads. but i guess that's the point of forum. also proto and i aren't both scum cuz would we really use the same format of posting notes, hell no we wouldn't, like i actually copy pasted it, come on now
Scirrus - putting lots of effort into their posts, but i townread them more than urist
tutuuu - town, i like their style. this is probably going to be my gut tr that causes me to lose the game for town in f3, which will be an excellent opportunity for me to become the forum player i was born to be, next game of course
Urist - posted scar poem, nai all the way down. putting lots of effort into their posts. i kinda want to vote them to pocket proto, also they seem like the kind of town player that mafia would be scared to push, so we can just banish them and then vote the nonvoters when they flip blue, game solved pog

so long story short i'm voting long con. now i have to figure out how to vote, hold up

I don't know where to begin with this post.
Are you mafia? Cause I feel yes. Can you talk a little bit about how you're used to playing and how long you've played?

what makes u say that?

i play the most on mafia.gg (text based, games usually last under 2 hours). anything unjustified u can take as a reaction check. anything justified u can take as gospel

by the way, since nobody likes my long con read, i'm happy to vote proto with u today, especially since he gave me permission to tunnel him or whatever. i'd much prefer proto to jeraldooo

[Lavender]

lol

u realize ur not talking to michelle right?

i'm not sure what u mean. i recognize the person i quoted is not michelle

[tutuu]

lol

u realize ur not talking to michelle right?

i'm not sure what u mean. i recognize the person i quoted is not michelle

then what did "michelle now that youve claimed villy" meant?

[tutuu]

ic she said "i promise im villager". guess i misunderstood u as talking about a vanilla town claim

[Lavender]

hi everybody please enjoy the following reads which i had a great time making and consist of a combination of my brain and heart

notes:

1612 - if he ever says "oh no" it's a sure sign of absolutely nothing because its nai. we play all the time on mafia.gg. if he doesn't tunnel me he is likely mafia. if he does tunnel me we're both town
Alison - gut townread, i like the early reaction test voting on michelle cuz it's something i do a lot, will be watching to see if it was really a reaction test or something else
cobbler - gut scum read
Dyslexicon - they and mp7 are not both scum, see below ⬇
jeraldooo - now u may or may not know this but jeraldoo and i have a psychic connection where we can pretty much always townread each other when we are both town. on the other hand we also townread each when one of us is mafia and one of us is town. or at least when i'm mafia and he's town. i don't actually know if this holds true if we are both mafia. but anyway i'm gonna bus him if he doesn't show up soon
Long Con - gut scum read, i don't like the warning to dyslexicon about mplus7
Michelle - probably pr, come at me
M Plus 7: apparently universally townread. into transparency. has lots of interaction with dyslexicon. so...doubt they are both scum
proto - in mafia.gg and daily mafia my scumtells for proto are scumreading someone quickly d1 and then backing off. so i'm watching to see if he backs off urist. on the other hand he put a lot of effort into his reads. but i guess that's the point of forum. also proto and i aren't both scum cuz would we really use the same format of posting notes, hell no we wouldn't, like i actually copy pasted it, come on now
Scirrus - putting lots of effort into their posts, but i townread them more than urist
tutuuu - town, i like their style. this is probably going to be my gut tr that causes me to lose the game for town in f3, which will be an excellent opportunity for me to become the forum player i was born to be, next game of course
Urist - posted scar poem, nai all the way down. putting lots of effort into their posts. i kinda want to vote them to pocket proto, also they seem like the kind of town player that mafia would be scared to push, so we can just banish them and then vote the nonvoters when they flip blue, game solved pog

so long story short i'm voting long con. now i have to figure out how to vote, hold up

I don't know where to begin with this post.
Are you mafia? Cause I feel yes. Can you talk a little bit about how you're used to playing and how long you've played?

what makes u say that?

i play the most on mafia.gg (text based, games usually last under 2 hours). anything unjustified u can take as a reaction check. anything justified u can take as gospel

by the way, since nobody likes my long con read, i'm happy to vote proto with u today, especially since he gave me permission to tunnel him or whatever. i'd much prefer proto to jeraldooo

your question warrants a better response but i can't be bothered rn. i'll try to get something in before the vote closes today but it will probably be this evening, more likely. for now i hope u will accept this shitty pocket and implicit townread

if proto is town and dys is mafia, please kill me tonight

[Lavender]

ic she said "i promise im villager". guess i misunderstood u as talking about a vanilla town claim

yes i was talking about that quote

i will learn how to multiquote...presently

[Alison]

Why is proto scum, Lavender?

[Lavender]

Why is proto scum, Lavender?

this:

The votes are worrying me. I didnt think other people were scumreading Scirrus so much, and their later posts were more towny than the earlier ones.

in hindsight, I guess it looks like I was distancing from Scirrus by scumreading them and then relaxing that scumread on them.

Lavender probably gonna tunnel me for 2 days straight after this.

still undecided where to place my vote for now, so will hold it.

and his reaction to me saying michelle is pr ("i don't get pr vibes from michelle", rather than "why are u trying to out prs" or "lol lavender reaction check"). also drawing attention to the fact the long con is probably pr which is huge ginormous rip ⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰ . i preferred to leave that unsaid but not proto, oh no

[Alison]

Yeah, Lavender is town.

[Lavender]

Why is proto scum, Lavender?

this:

The votes are worrying me. I didnt think other people were scumreading Scirrus so much, and their later posts were more towny than the earlier ones.

in hindsight, I guess it looks like I was distancing from Scirrus by scumreading them and then relaxing that scumread on them.

Lavender probably gonna tunnel me for 2 days straight after this.

still undecided where to place my vote for now, so will hold it.

and his reaction to me saying michelle is pr ("i don't get pr vibes from michelle", rather than "why are u trying to out prs" or "lol lavender reaction check"). also drawing attention to the fact the long con is probably pr which is huge ginormous rip ⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰⚰ . i preferred to leave that unsaid but not proto, oh no

oh i forgot my most important and initial reason which was sheeping my tutuu tr

[dunya]

Effective immediately, [mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] has replaced [mention]Long Con[/mention]!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Hi guys I haven’t read

Pretty sure LC is town tho that’s my one read