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#1051

@Epi - You should read the EoD again.

#1052

Dyslexicon wrote:
Golden wrote:Dizzy, gun to head, who is the baddie team?
Already kind of disagree on my answers. >_>
Marmot and INH maybe.

What thoughts came into your head that made you shift the way you felt?

#1053

Golden wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:
Golden wrote:Dizzy, gun to head, who is the baddie team?
Already kind of disagree on my answers. >_>
Marmot and INH maybe.
What thoughts came into your head that made you shift the way you felt?

Doubt. And I remembered INH's vote shift on LC.
Also, I know I felt that FZ and Marmot could be teamed at a point earlier in the game, but I don't remember why. Going to look through both of their posts.

#1054

Marmot wrote:Dyslexicon votes for FZ.

FZ responds in under 5 minutes.

That said, I agree with the feelz that Meester Long Con describes in that one post where he talked about FZ and voted her, so

So here's a thing where Marmot seeds me and FZ as connected, which I didn't like at the time and also sparked my tinfoil on Marmot. Actually he refuted this later though and concluded that we were NOT teamed. So that would look good actually. BUT, I also found that his last line here definitely doesn't mach up to his rainbow a couple of pages later. Also looks like he's trying to play FZ off as a fake peek, which is convenient knowing FZ is scum.

Marmot wrote:Dyslexicon
Epignosis
FZ.
DrWilgy
Elohcin
insertnamehere
JaggedJimmyJay
Long Con
Luke11646
MovingPictures07
speedchuck
nutella

#1055

Day 4 - The Moment

I fell in love with the sound of my heels on the wooden floor

Epignosis has been killed. He was The Moment. He was a...

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Day 4 has commenced

#1056

In case anyone is wondering, a mafia victory will occur on this day if one more civ is lynched.

#1057

Voting FZ.

I realize based on FZ's treatment of me in her posts, and my shit voting record, there's a decent amount of feces directed at me that I can't really defend myself from. Instead, I have to hope that you all don't go for the easy target, and instead vote out the confirmed liar.

#1058

Dyslexicon wrote:
Golden wrote:Dizzy, gun to head, who is the baddie team?
Marmot and JJJ.
Gun to head. BUT I haven't done the work and looked through the FZ-stuff.

This'd be my GTH baddie team too. Plus FZ of course.

#1059

Voted fz.

It's lylo. Obviously we vote the confirmed baddie. Gives us more time to analyse. But I'm bummed it's lylo, it means we don't have a single chance to get this wrong.

#1060

insertnamehere wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:
Golden wrote:Dizzy, gun to head, who is the baddie team?
Marmot and JJJ.
Gun to head. BUT I haven't done the work and looked through the FZ-stuff.
This'd be my GTH baddie team too. Plus FZ of course.

If you are not bad, do me a favour... it's something I'm doing myself as well...

Read back and consider a marmot/dizzy team and see what you think.

#1061

I'm here for a while. Go go gadget interactive reads.

#1062

I'll be around tonight and tomorrow to say stuff.

Also, Epignosis was kightkilled. You know what that means?

#1063

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 04#p351602

Looking at the last three posts before MPs death, starting with that one... what do people think of Marmot's post in there? I tend to think it looks like, not something a baddie would bother asking when they are about to kill MP.

#1064

Marmot wrote:Also, Epignosis was kightkilled. You know what that means?

Absolutely nothing.

#1065

Marmot wrote:I'll be around tonight and tomorrow to say stuff.

Also, Epignosis was kightkilled. You know what that means?

Do you feel the kill should reflect positively on you?

#1066

Marmot wrote:Do you think FZ opted to fakeclaim on her own, or that another player (in this case Dizzy) may have proposed the idea?

The reason I asked this question was because Jay specifically said near the EoD he didn't think FZ would have fake-claimed like this on her own.

Jay, knowing now that FZ likely did fake-claim, what do you make of that assertion?

#1067

Golden wrote:http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 04#p351602

Looking at the last three posts before MPs death, starting with that one... what do people think of Marmot's post in there? I tend to think it looks like, not something a baddie would bother asking when they are about to kill MP.

Could be. If Marmot is bad, MP's last living post there would be a victory for him. The question he asked would then represent milking it, which strikes me as unnecessary.

#1068

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Marmot wrote:I'll be around tonight and tomorrow to say stuff.

Also, Epignosis was kightkilled. You know what that means?
Do you feel the kill should reflect positively on you?

Epignosis was a confirmed civilian, so exceptions would be made. But so is speedchuck, so

#1069

Marmot wrote:
Marmot wrote:Do you think FZ opted to fakeclaim on her own, or that another player (in this case Dizzy) may have proposed the idea?
The reason I asked this question was because Jay specifically said near the EoD he didn't think FZ would have fake-claimed like this on her own.

Jay, knowing now that FZ likely did fake-claim, what do you make of that assertion?

I wasn't sure she was the type to pull a fake claim gambit at all given her minimal experience playing in roleclaim-friendly mafia games. She was absent for much of 2016 here when those games truly became more prevalent on The Syndicate.

I was wrong. It's possible she was advised by a teammate; it's possible she came up with it herself.

#1070

Dyslexicon wrote:
Marmot wrote:Dyslexicon votes for FZ.

FZ responds in under 5 minutes.

That said, I agree with the feelz that Meester Long Con describes in that one post where he talked about FZ and voted her, so
So here's a thing where Marmot seeds me and FZ as connected, which I didn't like at the time and also sparked my tinfoil on Marmot. Actually he refuted this later though and concluded that we were NOT teamed. So that would look good actually. BUT, I also found that his last line here definitely doesn't mach up to his rainbow a couple of pages later. Also looks like he's trying to play FZ off as a fake peek, which is convenient knowing FZ is scum.

Marmot wrote:Dyslexicon
Epignosis
FZ.
DrWilgy
Elohcin
insertnamehere
JaggedJimmyJay
Long Con
Luke11646
MovingPictures07
speedchuck
nutella

I had reasons to think you were civilian. Specifically your question (and suspicion of me thereafter) about daytime BTSC.

But I'll look back at that later, and see if I feel the same way about it now.

#1071

Las interacciones de FZ y Dyslexicon

FZ stuff

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Brief exchange in which there is some confusion about who FZ is. Things like this bear some capacity for WIFOM which leaves me disinclined to view it as dissociative. Dizzy strikes me as a fan of WIFOM.

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FZ. gives civilian reads, Dizzy prods for explanations, FZ. responds accordingly. This is a neutral exchange between them in terms of their treatment of each other. Dizzy's prod for expansion is an okay look in that it forced FZ to qualify further than she may have wanted.

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FZ covers a lot of ground in this discussion -- to be "thinking the exact same thing Marmot was" in this circumstance would be to suggest suspicion, but she went to some lengths to devalue that suspicion with the rest of this commentary. The reasoning is questionable too: if Dizzy is mafia and thinks Luke is the cop, that shouldn't prevent Dizzy from trying to lynch him. The mental gymnastics supporting the waffle aren't a great look. She reiterated the point later.

Dyslexicon stuff

One of six players included in this early list of "cat .gif reads". It's pointless.

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This vote appears meant to be RVS. Its reactive value would seem limited without any reason provided though, no matter how petty. "Cause wagon" isn't my favorite phrase at face value. Vote placed here

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Their interaction that follows from that vote is rather chummy. FZ says a lot about the vote but doesn't take a stance beyond the eyeball emoji. Dizzy doesn't go anywhere with it thereafter.

Dizzy Day 1 reads list -- They took a stance (slight scum) which is better. Dizzy asserts they didn't like FZ's first post, which had been a dialogue earlier. I don't believe Dizzy participated in it until this moment. That would have been the sort of accusation which'd ideally be tacked onto the "wagons are fun" vote previously.

Dizzy next post was to like one of FZ's -- apart from liking the post, the rest of Dizzy's commentary here is to contest her reception of MP's cop strategizing and ask for expanded thoughts. It's not clear why Dizzy liked the post.

Day 1 POE list, FZ is in the "could lynch" tier

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Typical prod.

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They placed an FZ vote late in Day 1 and then observed that they were not alone in doing so. The language accompanying the vote is tentative.

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This question was soon followed by a changed vote to nutella. The prodding continued which is what led to the discussion of FZ's town reads I already mentioned.

Dizzy doesn't like FZ's reaction to the nutella flip. The middle portion of this post in which Dizzy voices suspicion of her based upon the notion that nutella's alignment was clear pre-flip is hard to follow and at face value doesn't look great to me. That's an extremely specific accusation based upon a premise that I don't really buy.

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Dizzy asked this question after having already given MP a "RIP". That means the question is unanswerable and was meant to be rhetorical -- "what should we make of FZ and Marmot being elevated on MP's list before he died?"

Not ideal.

Day 2 POE with FZ on the bad end.

Contemplating FZ/Marmot as a team but not FZ/speed

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Day 3 vote for FZ is their first mention of her that phase. Expanded with an assertion that we're "close to the time of solving". This is vague. Dizzy please explain what you meant by that.

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After her cop claim, Dizzy was doubtful.

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Dizzy made it clear they wanted to lynch FZ and sided with LC throughout EOD, including voting for me in the end. I am hesitant to award much credit for their having been correct given that this commentary occurred when the LC wagon had taken off. The likelihood of the lynch moving back to FZ at that point was lessened. If Dizzy is bad then this would represent a pretty standard example of highroading a lynch.

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Conclusion

I would call Dizzy a compatible teammate of FZ. The positive indicators are smaller and less numerous than the negative indicators.

#1072

Las interacciones de FZ y Elohcin

FZ stuff

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Softball question for Elohcin regarding her meta perspective of her husband. Expanded. This looks like FZ just trying to cram herself into some dialogue or another which would make Elohcin a circumstantial bystander.

Gives speedchuck shit for a rainbow, specifically coloring Wilgy and Eloh orange (along with her) without discussing those two as much. This reads similar to a "why me?" defense in that FZ is griping about receiving more negative press than two other baddie reads beyond just the rainbow. I think that's a nice look for Eloh. FZ pushes the issue with MP by criticizing him for not inquiring with speedchuck about those reads. It's all quite cooked.

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This is a question thrown into the void, a prod of the two people least likely to answer it. It bears the appearance of a smear.

One last prod

Elohcin stuff

Nothing really other than a brief response to the initial meta query about Epi.

Conclusion

I think the best look is in FZ's handling of the speedchuck rainbow and MP. Beyond that, I think we'll have to judge Golden at face value for the content he puts in the thread now. He's shown solid investigative energy so far. It's an overall positive.

#1073

Marmot wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Marmot wrote:I'll be around tonight and tomorrow to say stuff.

Also, Epignosis was kightkilled. You know what that means?
Do you feel the kill should reflect positively on you?
Epignosis was a confirmed civilian, so exceptions would be made. But so is speedchuck, so

I'm not as big of a threat as Epi.

#1074

Seriously? You think I'm bad, after all I've done for you. That's insulting

Sadly, I think I have nothing more to contribute to the game, so I'll step down. I hope no one is really mad.
I played a lousy game. The least I could do was go down kicking and screaming. I had fun though.

Thanks Floyd!

Oh, and welcome Golden. Too bad we couldn't play together

#1075

#1076

FZ. wrote:Seriously? You think I'm bad, after all I've done for you. That's insulting

Sadly, I think I have nothing more to contribute to the game, so I'll step down. I hope no one is really mad.
I played a lousy game. The least I could do was go down kicking and screaming. I had fun though.

Thanks Floyd!

Oh, and welcome Golden. Too bad we couldn't play together

Why would we be mad?

This is the way the mafia game goes. You were here, and all, and you managed to avoid two lynches. Good job.

Now die.

#1077

FZ. wrote:Seriously? You think I'm bad, after all I've done for you. That's insulting

Sadly, I think I have nothing more to contribute to the game, so I'll step down. I hope no one is really mad.
I played a lousy game. The least I could do was go down kicking and screaming. I had fun though.

Thanks Floyd!

Oh, and welcome Golden. Too bad we couldn't play together

I thought you made a marvelous performance. You had me fooled until the end.

But as a wise young man once said, "Now die!"

#1078

Golden wrote:http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 04#p351602

Looking at the last three posts before MPs death, starting with that one... what do people think of Marmot's post in there? I tend to think it looks like, not something a baddie would bother asking when they are about to kill MP.

Like why?

Marmot wrote:I had reasons to think you were civilian. Specifically your question (and suspicion of me thereafter) about daytime BTSC.

But I'll look back at that later, and see if I feel the same way about it now.

My question for you is really about your thought process on FZ - you seem to say you agree on LC's suspicion, but then put FZ as a town read afterwards? I know this was D1, but do you remember your thought process around FZ? It looks like you're having two opposite thoughts at the same time.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I wasn't sure she was the type to pull a fake claim gambit at all given her minimal experience playing in roleclaim-friendly mafia games. She was absent for much of 2016 here when those games truly became more prevalent on The Syndicate.

I was wrong. It's possible she was advised by a teammate; it's possible she came up with it herself.

I don't know what is normal or not here, but wouldn't it just make sense as a last effort anyway instead of just to roll over and die? Also, what is the significance of her coming up with it herself or not? Wouldn't all other suspects here, myself included, be likely to see fake claiming as a possibility?

#1079

Answers to JJJ (the parts I feel I can comment on)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Las interacciones de FZ y Dyslexicon

FZ stuff

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FZ. wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:
FZ. wrote:I've never played with this cat person. Feels like Vompatty 2. No connection between what is going on, and his own actions.

@linki: What is PerC?
Huh, sorry. PerC is short for PersonalityCafe, which is my "home site", and I could've sworn there was a player called "FZ" that played one game there a while back but then disappeared. If it's not you then you have a mafia playing evil twin name brother or I have a shitty memory.
Nope, not me.
Brief exchange in which there is some confusion about who FZ is. Things like this bear some capacity for WIFOM which leaves me disinclined to view it as dissociative. Dizzy strikes me as a fan of WIFOM.

Question: Does the interaction look faked to you in any way?
I honestly mixed up FZ. and FM. and thought we had played before, which would be relevant information for me. If scum has day chat, why would I not just ask her in the chat then? Why would I want the thread to know we had played together if that was the case and make this whole thing about it? I don't know how well you know me or my game play or what you can infere and not, but I'm very unlikely to ask such a thing to a teammate in thread if I can just do it in the chat, because teammate interactions can easily look very awkward and this would be totally unnecessary. In fact, I think FZ' answers are awkward, and I'm me so I know mine are genuine, but I want to hear what it makes you FEEL - so again, does it look faked?

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FZ. wrote:Lastly, I was thinking the exact same thing Marmot was, regarding Luke's death and Dizzy's potential part in it. The only problem I have with this theory is, why would Dizzy go to the trouble of trying to lynch Luke. At that point no one seemed to take Luke that seriously. If he thought Luke was the cop, wouldn't it be better to wait until the night to take him out? So the cop, for example won't try to find his ties and look into people he thought were connected to him?
FZ covers a lot of ground in this discussion -- to be "thinking the exact same thing Marmot was" in this circumstance would be to suggest suspicion, but she went to some lengths to devalue that suspicion with the rest of this commentary. The reasoning is questionable too: if Dizzy is mafia and thinks Luke is the cop, that shouldn't prevent Dizzy from trying to lynch him. The mental gymnastics supporting the waffle aren't a great look. She reiterated the point later.

I can't answer to the Luke kill, because I didn't make it and if I'm going to be a mislynch because of that that would actually feel fine. If I was scum, killing Luke would be outright dumb. He was a new player which means if he was the cop he would probably make it very clear if he then had a red check on me. Everyone started doubting me after this kill, success. If FZ tried to frame me for it in an obvious way I'm pretty sure I would be able to pick that up very easily. Speaking of, you also pushed doubting me in a way I didn't like for the Luke kill. I'm going to go through all of your posts together with everyone else's in relation to FZ, even if it's going to take me all night and all day tomorrow.

Question to any regular player on site: What is common practice if scum team doesn't send in a kill? No kill or random kill?

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These cat gifs actually expressed what I felt about certain players pretty accurately. And I regret nothing.

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Dyslexicon wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I have voted DrWilgy. I will likely do so until I am satisfied with his production.
Wilgy feels like Wilgy.

@linki: Nothing other than you just voted for me for reasons of "bandwagon". WIFOM much? I'm sorry. I don't do well with players who try to fluff their way through the game and use shenanigans. I'm more the straightforward type. So right now, I'm wondering whether you're just fooling around, or if I should just vote you back. In the past, I'd say players wouldn't be that stupid to say bandwagon if they really are doing it, but experience on this site has taught me players are stupid Kidding, but I've learnt that anything goes. So I'm watching you.
But bandwagons are fun. Plus it's kind of the name of the game. And this is my serious face ---> I really was wanting to post only cat gifs after my whiskers detected some cat hate around here. You actually remind me a bit of FM. which is kind of funny in a funny way.
Their interaction that follows from that vote is rather chummy. FZ says a lot about the vote but doesn't take a stance beyond the eyeball emoji. Dizzy doesn't go anywhere with it thereafter.

Spoiler alert for my game play. When I get bad vibes from someone I'd rather not play out all my cards at once, and I like not appearing as a threat early in general - that is my TOWN play. The "I'm watching you" is typical scum to town behavior. I also think FZ did pretty much exactly the same thing to MP or whoever that was.

Dizzy Day 1 reads list -- They took a stance (slight scum) which is better. Dizzy asserts they didn't like FZ's first post, which had been a dialogue earlier. I don't believe Dizzy participated in it until this moment. That would have been the sort of accusation which'd ideally be tacked onto the "wagons are fun" vote previously.

This is where my beautiful cat gifs actually are relevant lol. I did think FZ had a post just to have a post, which is what I tried reflecting in my catty read list, and lol maybe this sounds stupid to you but whatever. FZ and Nut actually got similar ones because I had a somewhat similar reason to suspect them. Meh, guess I can't prove this further.

Dizzy next post was to like one of FZ's -- apart from liking the post, the rest of Dizzy's commentary here is to contest her reception of MP's cop strategizing and ask for expanded thoughts. It's not clear why Dizzy liked the post.

I remember that post. It felt genuine to me, and I'm pretty sure I was not the only one feeling that. Good on FZ I guess. Also, I would certainly be way less likely to give support immediately like that if we were teamed scum together. If I'm not mistaken FZ was a likely lynch at this point, and I'm no stranger to busing as scum. This is probably one of the most un-scum!Dizzy-like things you've pointed out.

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Dyslexicon wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't buy this explanation. I think she fabricated that suspicion of me. She doesn't seem to care about solving me; she only keeps coming with reasons to further her suspicion.

Let's lynch her.

If you disagree with me, tell me why.
I guess I could go with this. She's a mixed read for me, but has been at least a bit active.

Vote FZ

Dyslexicon wrote:Oh wow, suddenly everyone voted FZ.
They placed an FZ vote late in Day 1 and then observed that they were not alone in doing so. The language accompanying the vote is tentative.

My lynch intent here was genuine, cause I think some of the other candidates was lurkers and I'm not that much fan of a lurker lynch D1 (cause lack of info). I know I changed my vote later, but I'm pretty sure FZ still was the lynch lead when I did (again not something I would do if I was teamed with her). I changed to Nutella cause she was also one of my suspects (probably more than FZ at the point), but the reason I switched was to test MP's theory of FZ + Nut team. I opened for FZ to change to Nut who she had been loosely scum reading. I thought the pairing was likely so I wanted to see if FZ wanted to commit with a vote as well, but she didn't do that, she voted LC instead, which made me that more fine with the Nut lynch. This all reminds me I especially need to go over this lynch again, since FZ was a contender near EoD.

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Dyslexicon wrote:@FZ - What is the reason you're not voting anyone at this point?
This question was soon followed by a changed vote to nutella. The prodding continued which is what led to the discussion of FZ's town reads I already mentioned.

See above.

Dizzy doesn't like FZ's reaction to the nutella flip. The middle portion of this post in which Dizzy voices suspicion of her based upon the notion that nutella's alignment was clear pre-flip is hard to follow and at face value doesn't look great to me. That's an extremely specific accusation based upon a premise that I don't really buy.

Those are exactly the things I consider when I play, I can't help how my mind works. I was actually more suspicious of MP for it, but I dropped it based on learning the hard way that town can word themselves weirdly to me.

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Dyslexicon wrote:
speedchuck wrote:MP your readlist is weird. Why is dizzy low?
Huh, I would want to know that too. Epi and me down, and FZ and Marmot up?
Dizzy asked this question after having already given MP a "RIP". That means the question is unanswerable and was meant to be rhetorical -- "what should we make of FZ and Marmot being elevated on MP's list before he died?"

Not ideal.

What is not ideal about it? I'm still wondering about it acutally. It looked really random to me.

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Dyslexicon wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:@JJJ - Not going to respont to your ISO, sorry. Don't know what else to say than I think I've played a pretty straight town game (well, straight for me lol), and I can't really answer to the Luke kill, which is annoying.
I don't care about your answer to my ISO. I care about your reads.
Well, I'm going to

Vote FZ

And then I will note that your tone has changed towards me. Do you not care about my health and well being anymore?
Day 3 vote for FZ is their first mention of her that phase. Expanded with an assertion that we're "close to the time of solving". This is vague. Dizzy please explain what you meant by that.

I wanted to look cop-ish.

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Dyslexicon wrote:I've read LC way more town than FZ throughout the game. But I may suck.

Dyslexicon wrote:Wait, what is happening? Why are we moving from FZ? We have two cop claims, surely we should lynch one of those? O.o

Dyslexicon wrote:I don't understand how we are not lynching either FZ or Epi here! Obviously one of them is lying.

Dyslexicon wrote:Fuck claims. FZ has been way more scummy than LC has been to me.
Dizzy made it clear they wanted to lynch FZ and sided with LC throughout EOD, including voting for me in the end. I am hesitant to award much credit for their having been correct given that this commentary occurred when the LC wagon had taken off. The likelihood of the lynch moving back to FZ at that point was lessened. If Dizzy is bad then this would represent a pretty standard example of highroading a lynch.

This is me prefering to lynch FZ. I didn't really buy her claim, much because of my town read on LC, which I haven't really wavered on all game and probably the only thing I'm proud of this game lol. Of course, you can always argue it as highroading or busing or what not, but that is just throwing wifom over it.

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Conclusion

I would call Dizzy a compatible teammate of FZ. The positive indicators are smaller and less numerous than the negative indicators.

K, so this ISO is more like "if Dizzy is scum this is how it is" - what would be the reasons I'm town in your opinion?

#1080

FZ. wrote:Seriously? You think I'm bad, after all I've done for you. That's insulting

Sadly, I think I have nothing more to contribute to the game, so I'll step down. I hope no one is really mad.
I played a lousy game. The least I could do was go down kicking and screaming. I had fun though.

Thanks Floyd!

Oh, and welcome Golden. Too bad we couldn't play together

Maybe I'll change my vote if you give us all of your reads?

Do you think I'm teamed with you? >_>

But seriously, well played indeed.

#1081

Long Con wrote:

Airplane! I miss you.

#1082

Will go through the thread when I have the time, either tonight or tomorrow. Is the day still 48 hours?

#1083

speedchuck wrote:I'm not as big of a threat as Epi.

Well, looked like he was convinced I was scum so. More wifom for your bucks. Also, need you to ask ALL OF THE QUESTIONS this day phase plz. Hi.

#1084

Dyslexicon wrote:
speedchuck wrote:I'm not as big of a threat as Epi.
Well, looked like he was convinced I was scum so. More wifom for your bucks. Also, need you to ask ALL OF THE QUESTIONS this day phase plz. Hi.

Oh. I just realized that I'm the only townfirm. You want me to step up like JJJ or Epi would, be the discussion lead?

I don't think I'm capable of that.

#1085

Las interacciones de FZ y Marmot

FZ stuff

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When FZ dug into MP for the "drawing out the cop", the accusation was focused around speedchuck listing Marmot as green in a rainbow and MP inquiring about it. I find myself wondering whether she'd be equally willing to take this angle of attack if Marmot is her teammate versus if he isn't. If Marmot is bad, then there ought to be other opportunities here which require less effortful manufacturing, like erroneously linking Marmot to speedchuck and/or MP down the line. It's a complex and speculative notion I grant. Either way it's fair to think that FZ meant to discredit her accuser (MP) above all else, and that would leave Marmot as a bystander.

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She revisited the matter a number of times while answering questions about it. Marmot continues to exist as a bystander in this discussion. I think the highlighted portion is a decent look for him. It was specifically not the read itself that she wanted to harp on, it was MP's treatment of the read. I don't know that most baddies approach this scenario this way if their teammate is the bystander.

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She supported Marmot's suspicion of Dizzy on Day 3, but also garbled that support into a giant waffle. She positioned herself here in such a way that she could treat any potential Dizzy lynch however she wanted and still have supporting data behind it. If Dizzy was to be lynched she was set to share the credit or the blame with Marmot, another decent look for him.

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Prods him for an INH vote.

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Marmot stuff

Day 0 banter

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I've said on a couple occasions that I think this is the sort of little detail that a civilian Marmot tends to notice. I wouldn't say this is a purposeful accusation if they're teammates beyond WIFOM, because it's not likely to move anyone. It looks more like something he noticed and felt like exploring.

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The vibes are vague. This comment is fluff.

FZ is one of three greens in a Day 1 rainbow. I don't know what inspired this read.

Marmot supported FZ in her concern about MP drawing out the cop. He also clarified here that his green reads were intended to contribute to the cop cover strategy. It's a convenient answer.

Discarded his prior concern regarding the timestamp observation re: FZ and Dizzy

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He felt FZ looked sincere in her responses to MP.

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He supported FZ in her late Day 1 grievance with LC. I don't object to that, because I did too.

Part of his case against INH was that he believed FZ was an easy target for INH's suspicions.

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Marmot supported FZ in her cop claim. I understand the base premise of the reason he provided -- that in the absence of a counterclaim, the claimant should generally be believed. This is a standard I have voiced before. Circumstance shouldn't be ignored though, and I do think there was room for question in the scenario we saw unfold given that FZ was under lynch pressure at the time of the claim. I'll grant that if Marmot is her teammate then this is very brazen public cop hunting that they'd have collaborated on. WIFOM.

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Conclusion

It's a mixed bag. I think FZ's posts reflect more positively on Marmot, because she was sort of using him as a circumstantial weapon to attack MP. Marmot's posts are less encouraging, largely on a basis of WIFOM for his vocal support of her on Day 1 and his response to her cop claim. I'd say this interaction is teammate compatible, but with enough reservations that a confident read is difficult.

#1086

Las interacciones de FZ y insertnamehere

FZ stuff

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FZ's mention of INH here appears pretty forced, as though she felt the need to acknowledge his existence however she could. That's not great.

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She voiced some support for the notion of lynching INH on Day 1, though that support was half-hearted with caveats. She revisited this, in combination with comments about MP and nutella, later in response to accusations that she wasn't providing enough reads. Her Day 1 vote ended up on Long Con while the latest prevailing wagons were nutella and INH, so she didn't follow through on this.

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This question serves little purpose other than to smear Eloh and INH for missing votes, something unsurprising given their sporadic presence in the game.

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Her original suspicion of INH was half-hearted, but she seems to have discarded it by Day 3 when she asked for a case. Reiterated

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insertnamehere stuff

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He was dismissive of the early dialogue between MP and FZ. I'm not sure what "he said/she said" means in this context. Please expand, INH.

Bottom red in a Day 2 rainbow

He didn't like her responses to attacks. It'd be ideal to know which responses this refers to, as it is apart from the prior dismissal of the MP-specific conversation.

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He went for an FZ/LC dichotomy after the cop claim and didn't initially take a side. In the end he followed Occam's Razor, which I think was an LC vote (correct me if not). INH, you said you meant to look at their posting histories to make your decision -- did you do that, and if so what did you find?

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Conclusion

I think INH emerges from this looking worse. Most of FZ's posts and his EOD1 dismissal are bad looks. His read from Day 2 onward is severe, but there isn't follow-through.

#1087

Having reviewed the interactions, I'd rank the teammate candidates as follows (least to most likely):

Golden
Marmot
INH
Dizzy

#1088

Dyslexicon wrote:I don't know what is normal or not here, but wouldn't it just make sense as a last effort anyway instead of just to roll over and die? Also, what is the significance of her coming up with it herself or not? Wouldn't all other suspects here, myself included, be likely to see fake claiming as a possibility?

Yes it makes sense, as is visible in the results of the gambit. It worked. Whether it makes sense is less meaningful to me than whether a player is likely to actually do it -- I don't drive my reads based upon what is most "ideal", but rather what I perceive as most "likely". This kind of gambit simply hasn't happened much on The Syndicate if at all, even in scenarios where it probably should have, because most players are not accustomed to this kind of claiming environment. FZ especially has been away for a while when games like this have become more prevalent. I made a judgment call and it was wrong. I don't know who came up with the idea; my reads are focused on other points.

#1089

Talking with Dizzy:

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It doesn't make me feel much of anything. I could believe that the mixup was genuine. I highlighted a question you asked though which covers some of my room for doubt: I don't see what reason you have to care if the thread knows you and "FZ/FM" had played together before. The dialogue is all neutral.

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I understand that you can't really answer to the Luke kill. It's circumstantial suspicion. That's how the game works though. If the Luke kill was motivated by a cop hunt, then it's a bad look for you -- Luke's only read on Day 2 was to suspect you. That's not the only plausible scenario, but it's one that must be considered.

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It's been no kill in each example I've seen. I doubt that's relevant to this game with the entire mafia team alive.

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I don't know that I believe you had real intentions behind the cat gif reads. You could explain them now just about any way you want; they were illegible when you provided them.

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Okay. I'm forced to take or leave things like this at face value, because you're telling me what your own meta is. It might be helpful if you'd explain why you wouldn't do whatever thing as scum instead of that you wouldn't do it. This is a recurring theme throughout your response.

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It looks that way. The attempt was rather blatant. Did you anticipate drawing a night kill for this?

#1090

Hey all

Realistically, there's no way I can play this to normal intensity. My life is manic right now. Haven't had time to think today let alone read. We have an open home on our rental on Saturday and too much to do. So I'll contribute where I can but it's going to be minimal.

#1091

I really think someone should join me in voting Speedchuck. I feel lonely. It's not like you're not going to have enough votes to lynch me, right? It's really hard seeing all everyone's vote next to your name.

#1092

FZ. wrote:I really think someone should join me in voting Speedchuck. I feel lonely. It's not like you're not going to have enough votes to lynch me, right? It's really hard seeing all everyone's vote next to your name.

Would you vote JaggedJimmyJay with me?

#1093

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It's a mixed bag. I think FZ's posts reflect more positively on Marmot, because she was sort of using him as a circumstantial weapon to attack MP. Marmot's posts are less encouraging, largely on a basis of WIFOM for his vocal support of her on Day 1 and his response to her cop claim. I'd say this interaction is teammate compatible, but with enough reservations that a confident read is difficult.

For what it's worth, I was at work and posting from my phone that EoD period, so I wasn't able to devote my full attention to the events that unfolded.

I don't know if I'd have responded differently, but I'd at least have been available to discuss things.

#1094

speedchuck
Marmot
Golden
JaggedJimmyJay
Dyslexicon
insertnamehere
FZ.

The question is, mainly, if I should throw Golden or JJJ in to replace Dizzy. It doesn't feel like I should, based on interactions and metareads.
But Golden and JJJ both are people that might could pull things off to this point. Golden, especially, is hard to read, since Eloh just left. I find that more people replace out under the pressure that comes with being scum.

It would be nice if I had any concrete reasons to suspect Golden or JJJ though.

#1095

I'm gonna die in 26 hours and 14 minutes. Does anyone have any questions for me before then?

#1096

Night 4 - New Person, Same Old Mistakes

I know that you think it's fake
Maybe fake's what I like

FZ has been lynched. They were New Person, Same Old Mistakes, a...

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Night 4 has commenced

#1097

Day 4

#1098

For the players who are still participating, I'm willing to shorten the duration of the days from 48 hours to 24 hours so the game runs a bit quicker. Who would be satisfied with that

#1099

I vote no. In fact I simply couldn't cope with current life pressures with shortened days.

#1100

I vote no

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