The majority wasn't on you. The vote was tied. Your self-vote looks like a ploy to scare away voters.Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:38 pmWhat does it matter if my vote is on me if I move it and the majority is still on me? I am being a team player. I am going to vote with the majority. If the majority moves, I will move my vote. You think my vote for me is wrong? I think your vote for me is wrong. I am glad the dialogue about me is open. Hopefully it ends up in some votes moving.Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:32 pmIf you are a civilian and you lynch yourself with the game on the line, that would be the most petulant, despicable thing I've ever seen in a Mafia game. I have played in a lot of Mafia games.
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If you move your vote to Frank, I will put my vote on you because I think you are the best candidate to be lynched today.
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It matters because it was a tie. You broke that tie and made it a majority on you.
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I am trying to scare away voters from me because I am INNOCENT and if you lynch me, things get really rough, really fast.Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:41 pmThe majority wasn't on you. The vote was tied. Your self-vote looks like a ploy to scare away voters.Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:38 pmWhat does it matter if my vote is on me if I move it and the majority is still on me? I am being a team player. I am going to vote with the majority. If the majority moves, I will move my vote. You think my vote for me is wrong? I think your vote for me is wrong. I am glad the dialogue about me is open. Hopefully it ends up in some votes moving.Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:32 pmIf you are a civilian and you lynch yourself with the game on the line, that would be the most petulant, despicable thing I've ever seen in a Mafia game. I have played in a lot of Mafia games.
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Sometimes something drastic is needed. I come back and am shocked to see the tide has turned to me. I thought the move would relatively quickly show that lynching me is a mistake.... apparently I, Uncle Leo, made the mistake in thinking that, but I still believe in the point I was trying to make.George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:42 pm It matters because it was a tie. You broke that tie and made it a majority on you.
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It would certainly not be hilarious. I have suspected Jerry many times, some of them with serious intent, and some of them without. Killing that bastard the Soup Nazi was a boneheaded move. Jerry's an idiot, sure, but he's not a bonehead.George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:36 pm Would be hilarious if Jerry is scum though. I mean really, hats off to you. While no one is questioning Elaine and Steinbrenner, you're not even a confirmed PR and no one's questioning your alliance.
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Things that don't make sense in any universe:
Leo wants to lynch Whatley. Leo was tied with Whatley. That final tally has a 50-50 chance of lynching Whatley.
So Leo moves to a self vote. This ensures a 0 chance of lynching Whatley and a 100 chance of lynching himself.
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I had to interrupt things before more experienced and savvy players sent anyone else in the wrong (my) direction. To quote whoever just said this, votes can be changed. It's the final vote that matters. If you don't want me to be lynched, remove your vote from me. That makes sense?! Also someone please PM the list of strategies not allowed to be used in this game and I will avoid all of them in the future. (If possible, please read as sincere and not sarcastic.)Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:44 pmThings that don't make sense in any universe:
Leo wants to lynch Whatley. Leo was tied with Whatley. That final tally has a 50-50 chance of lynching Whatley.
So Leo moves to a self vote. This ensures a 0 chance of lynching Whatley and a 100 chance of lynching himself.
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I'm playing this from Tawni's computer, and during my pee break I found a tube of fungicide in her medicine cabinet. Should I be concerned about this?
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Why Leo? I don't have time to reas a bunch of stuffJerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:22 pm @Frank Costanza
@Elaine Benes
@George Steinbrenner
Your votes are critical now. I think Leo is the best vote presently. Whatley remains in my 3-player POE, but I do agree with George that his voting behavior in this late phase hasn't been pro-mafia. That's a good thing.
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Rule #6Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:48 pm I had to interrupt things before more experienced and savvy players sent anyone else in the wrong (my) direction. To quote whoever just said this, votes can be changed. It's the final vote that matters. If you don't want me to be lynched, remove your vote from me. That makes sense?! Also someone please PM the list of strategies not allowed to be used in this game and I will avoid all of them in the future. (If possible, please read as sincere and not sarcastic.)
6. No self-voting, even as a placeholder. This is considered an illegal move in this game as much as voting for the non-player option. There is an "Unvote" option for a vote placeholder.
Please move that for the rules' sake if nothing else. I didn't even see it until now.
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There's still much to consider unfortunately. You should just follow to the best of your ability and make your own choice.George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:53 pmWhy Leo? I don't have time to reas a bunch of stuffJerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:22 pm @Frank Costanza
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Your votes are critical now. I think Leo is the best vote presently. Whatley remains in my 3-player POE, but I do agree with George that his voting behavior in this late phase hasn't been pro-mafia. That's a good thing.
You can judge Leo in the immediate present based on his self-vote at least. He was tied with Whatley in the poll and broke that tie with a vote for himself. I am determining whether it was ill-advised civilian flailing or a mafia ploy.
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back to whatley I go.Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:53 pmRule #6Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:48 pm I had to interrupt things before more experienced and savvy players sent anyone else in the wrong (my) direction. To quote whoever just said this, votes can be changed. It's the final vote that matters. If you don't want me to be lynched, remove your vote from me. That makes sense?! Also someone please PM the list of strategies not allowed to be used in this game and I will avoid all of them in the future. (If possible, please read as sincere and not sarcastic.)
6. No self-voting, even as a placeholder. This is considered an illegal move in this game as much as voting for the non-player option. There is an "Unvote" option for a vote placeholder.
Please move that for the rules' sake if nothing else. I didn't even see it until now.
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ill-advised civilian flailingJerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:55 pmThere's still much to consider unfortunately. You should just follow to the best of your ability and make your own choice.George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:53 pmWhy Leo? I don't have time to reas a bunch of stuffJerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:22 pm @Frank Costanza
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Your votes are critical now. I think Leo is the best vote presently. Whatley remains in my 3-player POE, but I do agree with George that his voting behavior in this late phase hasn't been pro-mafia. That's a good thing.
You can judge Leo in the immediate present based on his self-vote at least. He was tied with Whatley in the poll and broke that tie with a vote for himself. I am determining whether it was ill-advised civilian flailing or a mafia ploy.
mafia ploy is ridiculous, do I seem smart enough to you to come up with that as a mafia ploy?
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I don't know who's wearing your skin, Leo, or how smart someone has to be to do that.
However, I am leaning in the direction you're urging me to lean. Nobody experiences more mind changes and epiphanies than I do.
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The move to self vote was to show that even when thought of as mafia, I am still attempting to be a team player in this crucial moment. You all have said to be here for EOD and that a majority is needed, etc, etc. So even as the knife twists into old Leo, here he is, voting with the team.Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:55 pmThere's still much to consider unfortunately. You should just follow to the best of your ability and make your own choice.George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:53 pmWhy Leo? I don't have time to reas a bunch of stuffJerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:22 pm @Frank Costanza
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Your votes are critical now. I think Leo is the best vote presently. Whatley remains in my 3-player POE, but I do agree with George that his voting behavior in this late phase hasn't been pro-mafia. That's a good thing.
You can judge Leo in the immediate present based on his self-vote at least. He was tied with Whatley in the poll and broke that tie with a vote for himself. I am determining whether it was ill-advised civilian flailing or a mafia ploy.
Obviously it was a mistake.
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Read on Leo right now, George. Pronto.George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:42 pm It matters because it was a tie. You broke that tie and made it a majority on you.
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STUCK ON THE SUBWAY, JERRY
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Teamwork is the most important element of most civilian wins. If you're truthful then your heart is in the right place. However, you can always make an exception for yourself. Literally every other player, even the claimed power roles, ought to be more likely to be scum than you are. You've only seen your own role card!Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:59 pm The move to self vote was to show that even when thought of as mafia, I am still attempting to be a team player in this crucial moment. You all have said to be here for EOD and that a majority is needed, etc, etc. So even as the knife twists into old Leo, here he is, voting with the team.
Obviously it was a mistake.
If you're bullshitting though, that's a pretty lame move in its own right.
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Let me rephrase -- do I seem like a good enough Mafia player to come up with that, specifically as a mafia ploy? Based on all that responses to me in this game so far, I would like to think that answer is easily no.Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:58 pmI don't know who's wearing your skin, Leo, or how smart someone has to be to do that.
However, I am leaning in the direction you're urging me to lean. Nobody experiences more mind changes and epiphanies than I do.
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I'm uncomfortable by how this turned out. I feel more comfortable with a Frank lynch. I dont think Mafia Leo would resort to self voting.Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:00 pmRead on Leo right now, George. Pronto.George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:42 pm It matters because it was a tie. You broke that tie and made it a majority on you.
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My heart is in the right place. Chalk it up to senility for Leo, and unacceptable ignorance to me as the person playing Leo.Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:02 pmTeamwork is the most important element of most civilian wins. If you're truthful then your heart is in the right place. However, you can always make an exception for yourself. Literally every other player, even the claimed power roles, ought to be more likely to be scum than you are. You've only seen your own role card!Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:59 pm The move to self vote was to show that even when thought of as mafia, I am still attempting to be a team player in this crucial moment. You all have said to be here for EOD and that a majority is needed, etc, etc. So even as the knife twists into old Leo, here he is, voting with the team.
Obviously it was a mistake.
If you're bullshitting though, that's a pretty lame move in its own right.
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"Fish slap" was a mistake for anyone trying to read into what Leo means by fish slapping.
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I have moved my vote to Frank
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I am in no way caught up. Like I said, today was the suck.
But think back to the day Jackie got lynched. Jackie Lynch!
Get it?
HA HA HA.........HA HA HA
She's a real estate agent in Arlington Heights, Illinois. Come on people.
Anyway, when Jackie was lynched, Peterman was the one running away with the votes.
That's how I read that.
But think back to the day Jackie got lynched. Jackie Lynch!
Get it?
HA HA HA.........HA HA HA
She's a real estate agent in Arlington Heights, Illinois. Come on people.
Anyway, when Jackie was lynched, Peterman was the one running away with the votes.
That last statement, "Well, hopefully we'll find out" was in response to my eleventh hour accusation of Jackie. That makes me think Jackie was not wanting Peterman lynched, but was resigned to his fate and hoped he could save himself and lynch ME for saving Peterman (who I think is mafia because of this interaction).
That's how I read that.
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Your vote would have been transparent if you said up front that it was for pressure, rather than for some unspecified reason about Peterman's 7 posts that had been "said already." I'm valuing transparency because mafia have more reasons to lie in this game.Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:23 pm Regarding this, would you say that this makes sense following my reveal of this being a pressure vote or not? How was my vote supposed to be transparent, when I had no real reason for it other than for observation? I want to know why you are valuing transparency here as it seems to be irrelevant to me.
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I can understand that, [mention]Elaine Benes[/mention]. One immediate concern I have is that if true, that'd strike me as a net negative move for Jackie Con to make. Even if he succeeds by lynching mafia Peterman instead of himself and then lynching you next, you're then revealed as a tracker and he's dead meat. Is that a likely maneuver for him to pursue?
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Are you saying Peterman is in no way mafia now? Or just in that hypothesis?Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:12 pm I can understand that, @Elaine Benes. One immediate concern I have is that if true, that'd strike me as a net negative move for Jackie Con to make. Even if he succeeds by lynching mafia Peterman instead of himself and then lynching you next, you're then revealed as a tracker and he's dead meat. Is that a likely maneuver for him to pursue?
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The latter. I can see perhaps an alternate scenario where Jackie just voted Peterman because it was the obvious, self-preservation on the table and the only believable vote he could make (regardless of whether Peterman is on his team).George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:14 pmAre you saying Peterman is in no way mafia now? Or just in that hypothesis?Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:12 pm I can understand that, @Elaine Benes. One immediate concern I have is that if true, that'd strike me as a net negative move for Jackie Con to make. Even if he succeeds by lynching mafia Peterman instead of himself and then lynching you next, you're then revealed as a tracker and he's dead meat. Is that a likely maneuver for him to pursue?
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The "mention" feature is awful. Please stop using it.
I think Jackie didn't know what to do when I exposed him. Were Peterman another goon, Jackie could just vote him and be done with it. What if Peterman was the Godfather, and Jackie didn't want to see him go, but didn't want to go either? Remember that Peterman wasn't around to change his vote. That can put a teammate under a lot of "What do I do?" kind of pressure.
I think Jackie didn't know what to do when I exposed him. Were Peterman another goon, Jackie could just vote him and be done with it. What if Peterman was the Godfather, and Jackie didn't want to see him go, but didn't want to go either? Remember that Peterman wasn't around to change his vote. That can put a teammate under a lot of "What do I do?" kind of pressure.
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I think you give the mafia too much credit, Jerry.
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And did Tim Whatley in no way sway your opinion about him with his contributions today?
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At this point he had previously named three suspects -- the Costanzas and Elaine. So his Peterman vote was just the self-preservation opportunity I think. Moreover, he had not contributed to that Peterman wagon before (and prior to Elaine's hard claim it looked like Peterman was going down). Jackie's failure to comment on Peterman otherwise, or contribute to that wagon, to me looks like a mafioso keeping his distance from a mislynch. Had Peterman been his teammate, he had opportunities there to fish for credit with accusations against Peterman or even defend him outright -- something. I think that makes Peterman look a bit better.
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He swayed them less than you and Leo have. Frank hasn't done much to move me either. I'm kind of banking on the chance that someone else is the godfather and can clear him. He's a top suspect though.George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:20 pm And did Tim Whatley in no way sway your opinion about him with his contributions today?
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It looks like nobody else is going on George, so I'll switch to Whatley. I can see the argument for him being bad, even though my gut says he's not. And obviously my gut has been wrong on several different occasions this game.
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Could be. Is there a living teammate for Peterman that you think fits the paradigm?
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Is there anyone for whom you cannot see the argument for their being bad? Disregard Elaine, Steinbrenner, and I.Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:22 pm It looks like nobody else is going on George, so I'll switch to Whatley. I can see the argument for him being bad, even though my gut says he's not. And obviously my gut has been wrong on several different occasions this game.
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if Whatley is innocent, who would you lynch tomorrow?Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:21 pmHe swayed them less than you and Leo have. Frank hasn't done much to move me either. I'm kind of banking on the chance that someone else is the godfather and can clear him. He's a top suspect though.George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:20 pm And did Tim Whatley in no way sway your opinion about him with his contributions today?
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Well, forgive me Jerry, if I don't trust your judgment. You were Jackie Chile's bowling partner a few days ago.Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:20 pmAt this point he had previously named three suspects -- the Costanzas and Elaine. So his Peterman vote was just the self-preservation opportunity I think. Moreover, he had not contributed to that Peterman wagon before (and prior to Elaine's hard claim it looked like Peterman was going down). Jackie's failure to comment on Peterman otherwise, or contribute to that wagon, to me looks like a mafioso keeping his distance from a mislynch. Had Peterman been his teammate, he had opportunities there to fish for credit with accusations against Peterman or even defend him outright -- something. I think that makes Peterman look a bit better.
Vote J. Peterman
I think your paradigm of what's going on in this whole deal is way off. I think Jackie was the only person on his team really paying attention (unless you're on his team, of course), so I wouldn't put too much effort in trying to figure out their strategy. I think the mafia just are no good at what they do. Like men.
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The remaining two names in my then two-man POE would be Leo and Frank. I'd do a full reassessment before committing to that though, because I'm going to discard suspicion of the guy with 14 posts or you either. Who would you lynch?George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:25 pmif Whatley is innocent, who would you lynch tomorrow?Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:21 pmHe swayed them less than you and Leo have. Frank hasn't done much to move me either. I'm kind of banking on the chance that someone else is the godfather and can clear him. He's a top suspect though.George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:20 pm And did Tim Whatley in no way sway your opinion about him with his contributions today?
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Jerry.Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:23 pmCould be. Is there a living teammate for Peterman that you think fits the paradigm?
Today was hell.
Hell.
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Re: [DAY 3] Seinfeld Mafia
Would this imply Peterman and Leo then? Who else doesn't know what they're doing?Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:26 pmWell, forgive me Jerry, if I don't trust your judgment. You were Jackie Chile's bowling partner a few days ago.Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:20 pmAt this point he had previously named three suspects -- the Costanzas and Elaine. So his Peterman vote was just the self-preservation opportunity I think. Moreover, he had not contributed to that Peterman wagon before (and prior to Elaine's hard claim it looked like Peterman was going down). Jackie's failure to comment on Peterman otherwise, or contribute to that wagon, to me looks like a mafioso keeping his distance from a mislynch. Had Peterman been his teammate, he had opportunities there to fish for credit with accusations against Peterman or even defend him outright -- something. I think that makes Peterman look a bit better.
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I think your paradigm of what's going on in this whole deal is way off. I think Jackie was the only person on his team really paying attention (unless you're on his team, of course), so I wouldn't put too much effort in trying to figure out their strategy. I think the mafia just are no good at what they do. Like men.
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Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
Frank and Peterman if Whatley is innocent.
Leo's meltdown was too dramatic and extreme to be scum I think.
Leo's meltdown was too dramatic and extreme to be scum I think.
Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
K I'm cop, Leo's a Mafioso. I haven't used my 2nd check. This is why Elaine s claim game spooked me.
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Re: [DAY 3] Seinfeld Mafia
I think that's reasonable, or Peterman and Whatley. I think Whatley falls into that category too. He was just around last minute, but hadn't been much around before.Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:28 pmWould this imply Peterman and Leo then? Who else doesn't know what they're doing?Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:26 pmWell, forgive me Jerry, if I don't trust your judgment. You were Jackie Chile's bowling partner a few days ago.Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:20 pmAt this point he had previously named three suspects -- the Costanzas and Elaine. So his Peterman vote was just the self-preservation opportunity I think. Moreover, he had not contributed to that Peterman wagon before (and prior to Elaine's hard claim it looked like Peterman was going down). Jackie's failure to comment on Peterman otherwise, or contribute to that wagon, to me looks like a mafioso keeping his distance from a mislynch. Had Peterman been his teammate, he had opportunities there to fish for credit with accusations against Peterman or even defend him outright -- something. I think that makes Peterman look a bit better.
Vote J. Peterman
I think your paradigm of what's going on in this whole deal is way off. I think Jackie was the only person on his team really paying attention (unless you're on his team, of course), so I wouldn't put too much effort in trying to figure out their strategy. I think the mafia just are no good at what they do. Like men.
Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
I planned to reveal earlier if needed but work got in the way.
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Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
I see.Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:30 pm K I'm cop, Leo's a Mafioso. I haven't used my 2nd check. This is why Elaine s claim game spooked me.
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Re: [DAY 4] Seinfeld Mafia
......the fudge