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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
The Echo lynch might seem like the obvious choice, but it would be lame if we let the phase fetter away quietly while he gets lynched. Complacency is the opposite of ideal, especially in a game where the analytic power of the civilians is diminished by the mechanics. Let's use our time effectively. Tell me what you think of my interaction checks. Give your own reads. Say things about the mafia game. Say things in general. Escape from the harshness of cruel reality in this message board forum thread.
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
The most suspicious thing from last day phase was Foxtrot's change from apathy towards the setup to pushing pretty hard on a few people and making the connections between players that he was saying wouldn't be there with no flips. Would currently be my choice for next days lynch.
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Even though I couldn't complete my personal "let's spell dick" mission I'm really proud that it is now being brought up as an event worthy of reading people's alignments based on.
I'm finding myself agreeing with a lot of Bravo's thoughts on potential Echo ties.
I'm finding myself agreeing with a lot of Bravo's thoughts on potential Echo ties.
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
Nice analysis Bravo. I'd definitely be down to vote for Juliets next phase or maybe Foxtrot (I can't quite put my finger on how I feel about Foxtrot yet)
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
Juliet* lol
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It's kinda weird that everyone that isn't an a passing grade letter just vanished off the face of the earth.
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I did not
The vote split was 1,2,1,4 but that’s as far as I remember
I’ll be sure to get it next time
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yeah where the heck is everyone? although I just remembered that we have 48 hour days, not 24 so this isn't ending now
[mention]sprityo[/mention] why isn't the poll showing the deadline??
[mention]sprityo[/mention] why isn't the poll showing the deadline??
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
We can probably reconstruct the poll if we work together and believe in each other. I voted for...... Delta
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
I voted Kilo.
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
idk how to do that to be honest
I just hop on at 10pm est to lock the thread
Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 1]
Sup y'all!!! Dr. J is back in the house.
My new album was not a hit, so I've left the music biz in pursuit of other things to grind my bling. But before I completely pack my bags, I'll address my critics.
Alpha on the other hand, came in with an ambivalent approach. Agreeing with India, yet being wishy-washy to the rhymes. Not cool! Additionally, Alpha was chilling around, laying other posts on the thread after my above-quoted track, with no response to yours truly. Bad jazz for you Alpha-friend.
Especially with the immediate agreement with India, and the immediate vote-vote.
And to answer Bravo-Man-Burrito:
Let the talkers keep talking and eliminate the quiet ones who may never answer your pleas.
The arrogance is strong in this one.
What do you think about someone claiming to be the Oracle?
Also, the guy who said this:
previously asked this:
Alpha's gotta go.
Also, I see India's dead. Amazing! He/she's a badass.
My new album was not a hit, so I've left the music biz in pursuit of other things to grind my bling. But before I completely pack my bags, I'll address my critics.
India is a blunt letter. An immediate response of antagonism, but pulling no punches. I like that.Alpha wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:17 pm[mention]Juliet[/mention], rap is cool and fun and I'm glad you're doing it. It's also going to make it harder for you to communicate and harder for us to read you. I know this is maybe antithetical to your rap strategy but if you could include a tl;dr at the end of your rap verses I would appreciate it.India wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:09 pmI dislike this post. It says nothing.Juliet wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:45 pmHello friends, Dr. J is back
I saw this post, and I gotta react
I like your pause, I think it's got good tact
But reasons are reasons, scum will still slack
It's a game about the mind and a game about deceit
Take a seat, watch 'em speak, or accept defeat
If we talk and talk, keep 'em out on the street
We'll nab those wolves dead on their feet.
Alpha on the other hand, came in with an ambivalent approach. Agreeing with India, yet being wishy-washy to the rhymes. Not cool! Additionally, Alpha was chilling around, laying other posts on the thread after my above-quoted track, with no response to yours truly. Bad jazz for you Alpha-friend.
Especially with the immediate agreement with India, and the immediate vote-vote.
And to answer Bravo-Man-Burrito:
Spoiler: show
Spoiler: show
Spoiler: show
Also, the guy who said this:
Spoiler: show
Spoiler: show
Also, I see India's dead. Amazing! He/she's a badass.
Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
Wow, the line breaks in the post are uuuuuugly.
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
Juliet what's ambivalent about me telling you to speak more clearly? Assuming someone is bad just because they're incomprehensible isn't my jam. I'd rather give you an opportunity to speak more clearly and see if you take it.
[mention]Juliet[/mention] do you have any updated thoughts on the India/Echo thing?
[mention]Juliet[/mention] do you have any updated thoughts on the India/Echo thing?
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
Also there's a significant difference between being dismayed at there being no info flips and flipping the table over and complaining there was no point in playing because we aren't being rewarded with information.
Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
Your stance was ambivalent. You agreed with India's response, asked me to speak more clearly, but immediately turned that into a vote. It looks opportunistic considering I already had a vote.
You immediate response and then-after vote do not line up in my eyes.
No I don't, I'm not fully caught up on the goings-on there.
You immediate response and then-after vote do not line up in my eyes.
No I don't, I'm not fully caught up on the goings-on there.
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You took some liberties in writing a dramatic quote while accusing several other unnamed people of saying such things.
Then you stated those people would receive your ire for saying such a thing again.
So who flipped a table over and how did they do it and how is that different from what you said?
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J, this is a really weird wagon for you to hitch your horse to considering you just claimed you weren't caught up yet.
People were acting like babies and complaining about how the game wasn't fair and wouldn't be able to keep their interest. It became this whole thing and Sprityo intervened and had everyone vote for whether or not future lynches would include flips.
I was upset that people were giving up so easily, and weren't willing to try out Sprityo's vision just cus it was unfamiliar to them. I was also unhappy that our only power role had apparently leveraged their role's utility (giving us information) in order to keep from getting killed, but that turned out to have been false.
I complained that the game might be hard but I never gave up, and I also didn't just stop posting for three days straight. I'm still here playing because I believe we can win this game, and even if we can't I'm going to have fun or die trying.
People were acting like babies and complaining about how the game wasn't fair and wouldn't be able to keep their interest. It became this whole thing and Sprityo intervened and had everyone vote for whether or not future lynches would include flips.
I was upset that people were giving up so easily, and weren't willing to try out Sprityo's vision just cus it was unfamiliar to them. I was also unhappy that our only power role had apparently leveraged their role's utility (giving us information) in order to keep from getting killed, but that turned out to have been false.
I complained that the game might be hard but I never gave up, and I also didn't just stop posting for three days straight. I'm still here playing because I believe we can win this game, and even if we can't I'm going to have fun or die trying.
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
Complaining about players complaining about game mechanics and giving up is not the same thing as complaining about game mechanics.Juliet wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:09 pmYou took some liberties in writing a dramatic quote while accusing several other unnamed people of saying such things.
Then you stated those people would receive your ire for saying such a thing again.
So who flipped a table over and how did they do it and how is that different from what you said?
I didn't name the players directly cus I didn't want it to get personal and it wasn't suspicion related, I just wanted to end the toxicity before it spread. If you're really curious about who was complaining you can read it yourself.
Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
Catching up now, apologies for the absence!
Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
Okay, voting Echo because why not. Need to finish catching up and then hopefully can provide some reads. This has been a tough setup to get my mind around.
Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
I voted Kilo as well FWIW.
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 1]
Golf wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:45 pm No I am not bad. But frankly I joined this game to help fill the game out, so lynch me if you want. I won't cry over it, especially given the fact that there are no flips. I think it's unlikely the civs can possibly win this so whatever. I'm pretty uninvested.
Also, why would I distance from teammates like that if there are no flips? This is what I was trying to decide about Kilo...
Foxtrot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:01 pmMeans I no longer give a shit.
Too stressful to care about a game that doesn't reward you with info anyways.
I just wanna have a good time and spell funny words. Like... FIB and.... and IF
Let RNG hunt down mafia.
Linki - and here comes I to rain on F's parade.
These were the posts I was talking about. This is the toxicity I wanted to nip in the bud. I didn't like the whiney attitude and it seemed unfair to sprityo.
Also:
My vote for you was completely fair. I asked you to alter your gimmick to be more communication friendly and you refused to do so, so I placed my vote on you as added motivation to communicate more and also better. My vote didn't even stay on you so I don't really understand what your complaint is.
Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
Alpha and Bravo are supatown. If either one is bad, we're doomed.
Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
Bravo, regarding your interaction analysis of Charlie and Echo, I think it seems pretty unlikely that they're teammates.
Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
Duly noted, I'll try to use only full names going forward. My bad.
Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 1]
Thanks for pulling that quote. I missed that post originally.Alpha wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:48 pmGolf wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:45 pm No I am not bad. But frankly I joined this game to help fill the game out, so lynch me if you want. I won't cry over it, especially given the fact that there are no flips. I think it's unlikely the civs can possibly win this so whatever. I'm pretty uninvested.
Also, why would I distance from teammates like that if there are no flips? This is what I was trying to decide about Kilo...Foxtrot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:01 pmMeans I no longer give a shit.
Too stressful to care about a game that doesn't reward you with info anyways.
I just wanna have a good time and spell funny words. Like... FIB and.... and IF
Let RNG hunt down mafia.
Linki - and here comes I to rain on F's parade.These were the posts I was talking about. This is the toxicity I wanted to nip in the bud. I didn't like the whiney attitude and it seemed unfair to sprityo.
Also:
My vote for you was completely fair. I asked you to alter your gimmick to be more communication friendly and you refused to do so, so I placed my vote on you as added motivation to communicate more and also better. My vote didn't even stay on you so I don't really understand what your complaint is.
Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
The disguiser role is still somewhat confusing to me, but I'm taking your all's word for it and rolling with it. The lack of flips is very bizarre and I have no idea what to do with it. And maybe it's the sockpuppets too, but I've just been having trouble understanding pretty much anything so far.
Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
Sorry, not sure what else I can do to qualify it, but I can try. My reads were really weak at that stage (and still sort of are I think, but whatever), I was just trying to force myself to commit to at least some things. Alpha seemed genuinely supatown, Golf seemed genuine (given I know who is behind the sock, the frustration regarding receiving negative attention as well as the setup's lack of flips rang true), and Echo seemed genuine (not knowing who is behind the sock, but I liked the "jabs" and attempts to generate discussion when reading through the beginning of the game).Bravo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:41 pm Echo and Hotel things
I see no mention of Hotel in Echo's posts.
This is all I can find. Hotel liked Echo after a quick skim. Hotel qualified these as tone reads later. This isn't necessarily an issue, but it does beg expansion now. Please talk about these reads more if you could Hotel as they currently stand, even apart from just Echo.
Conclusion: the one data point doesn't inspire confidence. It doesn't terrify me either. This is inconclusive pending further dialogue.
Charlie (not knowing who was behind the sock but I think I have a solid idea now) seemed maybe insincere but I've since come to terms with that and don't have any particular concerns. and I felt wary of Foxtrot because they seemed insincere as well, and I'm not quite sure how I feel about them still. Need to ISO them probably.
Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
Did I just say qualify instead of quantify? Jeeze. need more coffee.
Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
A rainbow:
Alpha
Bravo
Charlie
Golf
Delta
Juliet
Foxtrot
Echo
Alpha
Bravo
Charlie
Golf
Delta
Juliet
Foxtrot
Echo
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
Yeah echo is dead
Night 2 ends in 21 hours or 10pm EST tomorrow
Chat to your hearts content
Night 2 ends in 21 hours or 10pm EST tomorrow
Chat to your hearts content
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
Is there a particular moment you could point to which brings you to that conclusion?Hotel wrote: ↑Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:57 pm Bravo, regarding your interaction analysis of Charlie and Echo, I think it seems pretty unlikely that they're teammates.
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
I like Hotel's content on this page. The combination of a confused approach to the game and to making reads with a willingness to give it a shot anyway and commit to those reads rings as genuine to me. I think it's the right mindset too. This is a challenging setup, but all we can do is give it our best shot with whatever reads we can develop under the circumstances.
Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
I'm sorry if you think I was being whiny, I've had discussions with Sprityo behind the scenes and made it clear to him that while my opinion is this is a severely civ handicapping element, I vote for flips but would defer to him if he felt like doing so would break his game. I don't appreciate you going on and on about how awful I and others are for saying outright what we see as a balance issue. I am entitled to my opinion and I have been nothing but supportive of whatever Sprityo believes is best for his game while still being honest about my evaluation of the balance. Clearly others think like you and I am fine with it, but I would appreciate if you would move on from continuing to make it a personal attack on me and any one else who stated what they believed to be a problematic mechanic. I am not a whiner and I don't appreciate you continuing to call me names basically. Stop it, or we can take it to the mod.
I apologize to the players and host for my recent absence in the last 48 hours, I have been extremely busy and not getting enough sleep. I just didn't have the time. But I am back now. Please don't take this personally Sprityo and bear with us, this is the holiday season and it might be hard to be as active as normal.
Where are we at here? Are we actually still in Day 2? If so, I'm self voting.
*votes Golf*
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
Oh wait, I remember now, we have a confirmed baddie in Echo, correct?
*votes Echo*
*votes Echo*
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
I haven't gone on and on about anything. Juliet was the one who brought it back up, and I needed to clarify things because they were acting like I was making things up.
I've been personally done with the subject since the end of day 1. I brought it up in the first place because I didn't feel like the negativity had any purpose other than to make sprityo feel bad. I probably went a little over the top with hyperbole calling the behavior "whining", and I'm sorry for that, but it seemed like the thread was going down a bad path and I wasn't okay with that. I didn't like that players were saying they weren't going to care about the game or take it seriously because there weren't any flips. I also didn't like that it seemed to be bothering sprityo.
I actually just.... don't really care about this topic, if you're here to play mafia then let's play mafia.
Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
Cool. I am indeed here to play mafia, so I am in nothing but agreement with you. I apologize for getting frustrated about it.Alpha wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:08 pmI haven't gone on and on about anything. Juliet was the one who brought it back up, and I needed to clarify things because they were acting like I was making things up.
I've been personally done with the subject since the end of day 1. I brought it up in the first place because I didn't feel like the negativity had any purpose other than to make sprityo feel bad. I probably went a little over the top with hyperbole calling the behavior "whining", and I'm sorry for that, but it seemed like the thread was going down a bad path and I wasn't okay with that. I didn't like that players were saying they weren't going to care about the game or take it seriously because there weren't any flips. I also didn't like that it seemed to be bothering sprityo.
I actually just.... don't really care about this topic, if you're here to play mafia then let's play mafia.
Now I'm going to eat lunch and I will try to look over everything in the thread again in light of recent events. Also, sorry I am a little discombobulated from my absence.
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
Honestly, if the people who complained in day one are still here to hunt mafia, despite their misgivings then I have already been proven wrong and that's good enough for me.
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Night 2]
In case I die tonight:
Juliets was suspiciously quick to not only accept that Echo was the real Oracle but also to practically praise Echo for their strategy which involved leveraging possibility of Oracle information in exchange for personal survival. In the light that Echo was a mafia member fake-claiming Oracle, this looks really bad. Juliet was also very quick to drop their suspicion of me and there was also some inconsistency there regarding their reasoning for suspecting me in the first place. The whole thing just felt kinda sketchy I guess. As of right now Juliet is my top scum read.
Bravo and Charlie are probably civ, everyone else I have neutral reads on.
Juliets was suspiciously quick to not only accept that Echo was the real Oracle but also to practically praise Echo for their strategy which involved leveraging possibility of Oracle information in exchange for personal survival. In the light that Echo was a mafia member fake-claiming Oracle, this looks really bad. Juliet was also very quick to drop their suspicion of me and there was also some inconsistency there regarding their reasoning for suspecting me in the first place. The whole thing just felt kinda sketchy I guess. As of right now Juliet is my top scum read.
Bravo and Charlie are probably civ, everyone else I have neutral reads on.
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Night 2]
good post opAlpha wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:48 pm In case I die tonight:
Juliets was suspiciously quick to not only accept that Echo was the real Oracle but also to practically praise Echo for their strategy which involved leveraging possibility of Oracle information in exchange for personal survival. In the light that Echo was a mafia member fake-claiming Oracle, this looks really bad. Juliet was also very quick to drop their suspicion of me and there was also some inconsistency there regarding their reasoning for suspecting me in the first place. The whole thing just felt kinda sketchy I guess. As of right now Juliet is my top scum read.
Bravo and Charlie are probably civ, everyone else I have neutral reads on.
Gosh it's quiet in here :\ and I think the night post is (over)due? but add me to the "if I die lynch juliet" club
Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Night 2]
Why does this look really bad?Alpha wrote: ↑Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:48 pm In case I die tonight:
Juliets was suspiciously quick to not only accept that Echo was the real Oracle but also to practically praise Echo for their strategy which involved leveraging possibility of Oracle information in exchange for personal survival. In the light that Echo was a mafia member fake-claiming Oracle, this looks really bad. Juliet was also very quick to drop their suspicion of me and there was also some inconsistency there regarding their reasoning for suspecting me in the first place. The whole thing just felt kinda sketchy I guess. As of right now Juliet is my top scum read.
Bravo and Charlie are probably civ, everyone else I have neutral reads on.
I liked your responses. What did you expect me to do that didn't feel "kinda sketchy". This accussation is trying to fit a narrative son. What would I have to gain as scum by saying these things? Do you feel that your responses were insufficient?
Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Day 2]
Well I feel silly. I just reread the Oracle and realize it reveals one player's role on death. What I thought it meant was it would reveal all players' roles (going forward) upon death.Bravo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:53 pmIf we accept the scenario where India is the oracle and Echo is the disguiser, this is a funny moment. Juliet protested India's protest of Echo's claim, or more accurately the strategy behind the claim. I'm not sure why Juliet felt the claim-on-day-1 plan was a good one.Juliet wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:54 amIt's not short-sighted, it's a pretty, solid plan,India wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:11 am We could have waited for day two to pull that. Then the oracle would have a choice regarding who to reveal. How unfortunate.
And furthermore, since the oracle is vanilla so long as it lives, I would imagine that the bad guys would avoid killing it. And the good guys would avoid lynching it as well.
So, I don't really want to believe you, Echo. I wonder what your motive is. Bad guy, trying to avoid being lynched? Good guy, trying not to get lynched or killed? Or are you a genuine Oracle, though very short-sighted?
What would you have done if you were dealt that hand?
Do you have some thoughts on why he took this stand?
I think it's legit, and he/she's a cool little can.
Conclusion: it doesn't look great at face value. I'd call them compatible teammates.
I'm just going to go sit in a corner now...
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Night 2]
well.... if it is, it at least half explains your agreement with echo's plan, but half unexplains it?
if you really didn't understand how the oracle works then that might have caused you to believe that Echo's bad fake plan was a good real plan. if you thought that the oracle was just a role that we could lynch at any time to have info flips for the rest of the game following that then revealing themselves would have been ideal and we should have voted to lynch Echo on the last day phase.
or if you had everything wrong but the "lynching the oracle does nothing" right then... even then the mafia would have even less reason to target the oracle. the better tactic would have still been to be super town and make themselves a target for the mafia naturally.
there was also a bunch of stuff written in india's posts that you rap-responded back to that should have contradicted your viewpoint of what the oracle did, and prompted you to go back and review the role.
if you really didn't understand how the oracle works then that might have caused you to believe that Echo's bad fake plan was a good real plan. if you thought that the oracle was just a role that we could lynch at any time to have info flips for the rest of the game following that then revealing themselves would have been ideal and we should have voted to lynch Echo on the last day phase.
or if you had everything wrong but the "lynching the oracle does nothing" right then... even then the mafia would have even less reason to target the oracle. the better tactic would have still been to be super town and make themselves a target for the mafia naturally.
there was also a bunch of stuff written in india's posts that you rap-responded back to that should have contradicted your viewpoint of what the oracle did, and prompted you to go back and review the role.
Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Night 2]
Ok, I read over the last four pages to make sure I understood everything that occurred since Echo's death.
Bravo you commented on Echo's post about this crap about Juliet being Wilgy. It was me that posted, but it was not what I actually said. What I had originally said was that Juliet's posts in rap gave my the impression of Juliet possibly being Wilgy. And if it was true it would make me inclined to see Juliet as more town, because the behavior in my mind was more in line with how a town Wilgy would act. But if it were not Wilgy it would make me feel like someone was trying to look like a town leaning Wilgy. Juliet came in and clarified some of what made me think all this and it is no longer relevant. I've dismissed that line of thought as a result.
So it was me he was talking about. I assume he didn't say anything about me specifically because he didn't remember who said it. However, that would make me feel like they may have discussed it in BTSC. Otherwise he would have commented on it when he first read it, if it stood out to him. Which makes me wonder why that might be the case.
Bravo you commented on Echo's post about this crap about Juliet being Wilgy. It was me that posted, but it was not what I actually said. What I had originally said was that Juliet's posts in rap gave my the impression of Juliet possibly being Wilgy. And if it was true it would make me inclined to see Juliet as more town, because the behavior in my mind was more in line with how a town Wilgy would act. But if it were not Wilgy it would make me feel like someone was trying to look like a town leaning Wilgy. Juliet came in and clarified some of what made me think all this and it is no longer relevant. I've dismissed that line of thought as a result.
So it was me he was talking about. I assume he didn't say anything about me specifically because he didn't remember who said it. However, that would make me feel like they may have discussed it in BTSC. Otherwise he would have commented on it when he first read it, if it stood out to him. Which makes me wonder why that might be the case.
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Night 2]
I doubt I will be the one to die tonight, because I haven't done any hunting in the last cycle at all so I'm not a threat and I have drawn some attention. But if I do die, I think I would also say, lynch Juliet. I'm thinking the reason it might have come up in BTSC was because it was about one of them.
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Re: Phenon: Origins Mafia [Night 2]
This relates to a question I'd asked you before as well. Was it the post you missed that Alpha brought up which changed your mind, or the total collection of responses Alpha gave to your accusations?Juliet wrote: ↑Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:49 am Why does this look really bad?
I liked your responses. What did you expect me to do that didn't feel "kinda sketchy". This accussation is trying to fit a narrative son. What would I have to gain as scum by saying these things? Do you feel that your responses were insufficient?