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#1101

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:I'm down for G2H.
Good enough for me if you're in Diiny. Three out of however many ain't bad.

Diiny wants more people, otherwise he's not down. Wonder why that is.

#1102

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Oh fine.

Diiny wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: I'm going to make a friendly suggestion, sig. You can ignore it if you please. If you're town, I think you're too absorbed with people defending each other. Almost everything you have to say in this big post is in some way associated with that concept, and at least in every case involving my name, you're wrong. I think you'd be wrong most of the time with this mindset. Mafia-aligned players are going to dupe you frequently if you don't adjust. If I'm wrong about your mindset or you think I'm just wrong in general, very well.
What you say about Sig is true. He's looking entirely for connections and hasn't actually said why you were scummy. He's given one reason as far as I can see: that your reaction post was scummy. I did the research and found out you do this when you mislynch as town, but whatever. I have an issue with this, but I also have an issue with your reaction. I'm undecided on you, Jay, and whilst on the most part I'm seeing the JJJ that's only gotten himself lynched as town a couple of times with your most recent bout of posting, this seems like you're trying to emulate polite JJJ too much instead of being the aforementioned not-lynched-as town J. This man has constructed a case against you that doesn't actually accuse you of scummy behaviour, only connections that are based on you being scum. And instead of blowing it out of the water you politely suggest he think about the case in a different way if he wants to.
I don't think you're judging his case fairly. I even said "I don't fault you for thinking this." to at least one of his points. He's wrong, and I think his approach is a bad one, but that doesn't mean he has ulterior motives. I actually appreciate the enthusiasm he showed by jumping into this thread with a bone to pick, even if it's misguided. I get the impression he was spectating a bit before joining (he can refute that if necessary) and thought I was mafia as a neutral observer. I bet a solid few of those in spectator heaven think I'm mafia, it'd be understandable.

I even said earlier that I feel similar to how I felt in the Champs Finale, when I was mafia. This effort from me has not been to my standard and I would expect people to suspect me. I'm not quite the sleepless robot that many think I am, but based on the body of work people have observed before this game -- I understand.

I am suspicious of sig only in that he is the progeny of FZ.

I'm not sayins sig has ulterior motives, I'm saying that if you knew his case was wrong I'd have expected a response that was a bit less

Spoiler: show

. That's not actually the right word, timid and overly polite when I'd have expected a bit more fury. You straight up call epi's stuff bullshit. I understand that you can feel burdened and behind, esp when you've had bazillions of posts before but no matter how involved in the game you are, you tell people that their cases are wrong, you don't suggest it. I guess your suggestion was at sig's style of play, but if the guy's wrong about you, even if you can see why you do more than ask them to change their game up a bit.

In fairness you've done that more generally.

linki: I still think this would be better with more people but I got

'd and my pride won't let me back down

#1103

Still with us, Zebra?

#1104

#1105

GUN TO HEAD:

THEFLOYD73

MOTEL ROOM

#1106

town

town

#1107

She's always with us, right here. *gently points to heart, soft, christmassy music begins*

linki:

Scum

Town

#1108

TOWN

TOWN

#1109

ZEBRA

JJJ

#1110

ME

SCUM

#1111

town

hi

#1112

Town (surprised?)

fukken... Town

#1113

MOVINGPICTURES07

EPIGNOSIS

#1114

scum

scum

#1115

Town

Scum

#1116

I'm not surprised Diiny, that's consistent. I would be surprised if you chose the other option. Nice buddying lol

linki:

TOWN

TOWN

#1117

I'm buddying you? lmao

#1118

Yessir

#1119

DIINY

SIG

MACDOUGALL

#1120

SCUM

TOWN

TOWN

#1121

town

scum

town

#1122

I, Diiny, am buddying you, b3thehorse?

top bloke good egg

scum

town

#1123

I enjoyed a little indecision between Diiny and sig. Neat. I'll look into that.

#1124

sig was the closest of my town reads that could've been scum, but that's all FZ.

#1125

For now I have to go. I'll be back in a bit to offer whatever hunting I can manage. Expect me to have no influence on EOD though.

#1126

please explain how I'm buddying you and I'll read it when I come back zeb.

I made a nice little excel graph, cropped it wrong in paint and didn't save the actual document

oh well

#1127

I don't think buddying means what you think it does

#1128

What do you think it means?

#1129

buddying up means you invite someone out on a date, but don't call it a date since you're not sure they are into you right, so you know you're just being buddies? If I'm right I wanna be invited to your wedding with Diiny okay Zebra? :P

So JJJ and Diiny both in GTH read me as scum, is it because I'm acting scummy or was it FZ? I'll be honest I thought FZ was scummy before Isubbed in for her, so I don't fault you for that.

@JJJ if you aren't scum who do you think is?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
sig wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I would encourage those who've already voted for Diiny to at least pause for a moment and carefully consider their vote and their mindset, because this is one of those wagons that could easily drift into a lynch while everyone complacently just waits. That's rarely ideal -- critically assess the situation and ensure you're really giving him a fair opportunity.

I wish I had more time to personally address this in a thorough way instead of just rendering advice, but yanno. I gotta get to sleep now, but I'll be back tomorrow with plenty of time to spare. I hope it continues to be an active discussion.
Woot woot! Was looking for something like this if Diiny is scum so is JJJ this seems like a scum attempt to save their buddy. I will be curious to see JJJ role ingetting Enrique lynched.
I don't fault you for thinking this. It's a totally obvious thing and you don't know me very well, so sure. Some players here do know me well though and haven't made any effort to counter this, and that's silly. People who know me are well aware that I promote a culture of constant reassessment and objectivity, and that this post does not mean anything about my association with Diiny. I'd have made the exact same post if any other player was in his position instead.

Epignosis, Mac, Diiny, MP, and motel room would all be very hard-pressed to accuse me of this. Someone among them is likely enjoying my predicament, and apparently none of them is willing to stand up when a faulty point is made about me and say it.

I'm going to make a friendly suggestion, sig. You can ignore it if you please. If you're town, I think you're too absorbed with people defending each other. Almost everything you have to say in this big post is in some way associated with that concept, and at least in every case involving my name, you're wrong. I think you'd be wrong most of the time with this mindset. Mafia-aligned players are going to dupe you frequently if you don't adjust. If I'm wrong about your mindset or you think I'm just wrong in general, very well.

sig wrote:Enrique’s lynch was just smh, I’m quite surprised I’m guessing at least two scum on that wagon.
I don't regret it. Talk to the other four that helped.

sig wrote:Not lynching Diiny (former top scum read who escaped the lynch or FZ same as diiny?) But instead going after Epi?
Another understandable beef, also raised by Mac. FZ was my choice though, and my posts at the end of the day support that. I called for a lynch of either FZ or Epignosis. It eventually became clear that an Epi lynch wasn't going to develop. I thought an FZ lynch could, because pretty much nobody was calling her a town read. I probably waited too long. Shit happens.

sig wrote:Who is James? Also how did Diiny go from scum to civ?
"James" was me. My name is actually Jay, but Mac can call me that if he likes.

sig wrote:You don’t seem to be pushing for anyone else, or really caring that Wilgy is about to be lynched even though you think he is scum?
Well none of this sentence is true. I'll start with the back half since it's easiest: I did not think Wilgy was scum. Huh?

As for my "not pushing for anyone else", nah. I pushed for an Epi lynch quite a lot at the beginning and end of the day phase. I endorsed an FZ lynch well before placing my vote.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Well the current course is a Wilgy lynch given Zebra's abitrary drop. I think FZ or Epignosis would be the best choices.

First off thanks for reading my big ole posts, wasn't sure if people were going to.

Second this post seems kinda weird? Like your being very nice and it strikes me as odd.
Thanks for the advice I'm always willing to accept any advice even if I don't agree with it.
Part of my suspicion is based on your defense of Diiny, as well as the fact you formed the counterwagon that got Enrique lynched. Who do you think besides myself, and Epi should we lynch today?

Diiny wrote:Sig, why is JJJ scum outside of potential connections? Why am I scum outside of potential connections? Connections are useful as fuck in catching scum, and the spew review played a big part in last game's proceedings, but the connective element there was only useful because we'd already caught scum. Your scum read of certain players must be pretty strong to start making other people scummy by connection, and you've said next to nothing outside of connections. Why are your scum reads scummy in the first place?

linki: ugh, only if you reply to my reply to you first

I do have a strong scum read on him right know. I find the fact that you were able to survive two days of potentially being lynched to be suspicious, and JJJ post. Know what JJJ says about his meta might be true, but I don't know if it is. I recall JJJ being much different in TH mafia when I accused him.
I also believe he purposely set up a Enrique lynch. He mentioned Enrique a few times, but not to often then suddenly voted for him starting a counterwagon on you.

So yes a good part of my suspicion of him is based around his defense of you as well as his voting. It isn't a very strong case true, but I'm confident in my read of JJJ.

#1130

sig wrote:Second this post seems kinda weird? Like your being very nice and it strikes me as odd.

This bolded bit is one of my favorite sentences I've ever seen in a Mafia game. I know you didn't intend anything by it other than to state a read, but I can't help but smile. I feel like I could represent the entire concept of Mafia with that single sentence pretty well. Anyway, I try to be a nice person. I think it's important to be nice. Sometimes I might not seem nice, but I hope it's understood that my intentions aren't malicious or personal.

sig wrote:Who do you think besides myself, and Epi should we lynch today?

I also gut read MP as mafia, apparently. I'd rather lynch Epignosis than anyone else, but I don't think y'all seem keen on that one. Maybe you'll be more interested when I'm dead. Otherwise I'm going to consider the Diiny option. I don't have enough time or energy tonight to invest heavily in this hunt, but I'll give y'all something.

sig wrote:I also believe he purposely set up a Enrique lynch. He mentioned Enrique a few times, but not to often then suddenly voted for him starting a counterwagon on you.

I did assign what I considered to be "the most suspicious post in the thread" to Enrique. I think that's a valid enough inspiration for a Day 1 vote. Diiny would have been a better choice clearly, but Enrique gave us no way of knowing he was the cop until after the deadline (and hours after I'd left the thread and placed the only vote on him). So it was just a shitty thing, man. A shitty thing.

~~~

I will say sig that your tone couldn't read more town right now. That's a nice thing. My suspicion of you is entirely based on what FZ put in this thread, and I don't think you could have done a better job entering this game to show the right demeanor -- even if you're after me.

#1131

I could also consider Floyd. I've forgiven his dramatic language because it's so easy to associate it with Epi's crusade, but I can understand why some would view his reactions to the cop lynch dubiously.

People I wouldn't lynch:

Zebra
Mac*
motel room

*If I'm wrong about one of these, it's probably him.

#1132

Diiny wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:He looks too bad. I know that's kind of a cop-out on my part, but I have trouble supporting the lynch of a player whose actions seem too dangerous and too overtly transparent for a baddie to make. I'm in kind of the same place with Wilgy, although in Wilgy's case his actions are pure WIFOM whereas with motel room I think I could be more easily convinced that he's more likely low-key scum than bizarre town. Time will tell.
So, this point makes me feel a lot of feelings.

On one hand I disagree with the too bad to be bad argument. On the other hand, the logic I found odd about Wilgy's wifomminess not being an issue for zeb is used kinda fluently here which makes me think it's more likely that zeb actually believes it.

Diiny, I don't know what you mean here by "used kinda fluently" and would like for you to expand. I care because it's a necessary component of me judging whether you really have any investment in knowing whether Zebra "actually believes it".

#1133

Diiny wrote:Town (surprised?)

fukken... Town

This actually reads quite belabored. You shouldn't feel the need to qualify a GTH read with anything. "Surprised?" implies you give a shit what Zebra thinks of your read on him.

#1134

It's like he's buddying or something

#1135

I'd just like to point out to y'all that you trust someone who made this post:

Epignosis wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Epignosis's crusade against Floyd is based upon what strikes me as close to nothing, so I view it dubiously. Regardless of Floyd's alignment, I don't understand Epi's conduct as a town approach -- he is shouting his desired target and apparently doesn't care much at all about anything else happening in the game. That's not inspiring, and even if he is right about Floyd it would strike me as luck at best and calculated at worst. Epi doesn't strike me as the guy that plays for a lucky break.

I don't know how one can have any conviction in reading Floyd as town or mafia right now. There's not enough there.
I don't need a lecture about being inspiring and playing for lucky breaks from a guy who voted out the cop Day 1.

Good one.

#1136

Ugh I clicked MP's ISO expecting like 70 posts and there are over 120.

#1137

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'll expand on why I completely dismissed Epignosis when he questioned Mac and I for being unwilling to lynch Floyd before him. It's an important component of why I still have a mafia read on Epi. Some people brought up RYM #82. I think only motel room (underlined to get his attention) played in it, so I'm going to need you (aokiji) to help me out here by confirming or denying what I say. I'm going to draw a parallel.

In that game, my mafia strategy was very simple -- make people think I'm MrMungbean's team mate (he was town), and always keep him one step ahead of me on the tally. The benefit was two-fold. First, if Mungbean is lynched and flips town, that suspicion evaporates. Second, if I am lynched before Mungbean, then my mafia flip will be all people need to lynch him next. Toward the end of the game, I shifted to a position that'd facilitate him going before me because it'd force town into an early LyLo or near-LyLo scenario from which they couldn't recover.

They lynched him at LyLo and lost the game.

In this setup, we're never very far from LyLo. 10 vs 3 to start is already a daunting ratio, and two mislynches leaves us at LyLo eve if a townie is lynched again (as we're on course for currently). Epi's insistence that Floyd should be lynched before him, and that people who don't acknowledge that are inherently suspicious for it, looks to me quite a lot like what I pulled in RYM #82. Epi has noted that some players (Mac and I) associated him and Floyd as team mates, and he's playing into it by doing nothing to argue the notion and keeping Floyd one step in front of him in the tally -- or at least he's trying to.

This might be an overly personal parallel to draw. I don't know. But it's in my head and it's affecting my read. I'll allow you folks to judge as you may, and I do reiterate that I need motel room's input especially because he's the only player who can really understand what I'm trying to say unfortunately.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Epignosis wrote:That's posturing. If Floyd goes down as bad, you would have already called dibs on the theory that I was throwing a teammate under the bus.
Perhaps a better term than "strong desire to defend Floyd" would be "strong inclination to town read Floyd". Yes, I did defend Floyd to some degree because I didn't think his attacker could justify his attacks. I never called him a town read though. I never gave any actual read of him, because on Day 1 having a read on Floyd would have been bullshit.

As for dibs, you're damned right. You said the same thing about me. If he's bad, see you then.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I'm calling 3J and Floyd as teammates.
I'm tempted to call you and Floyd as team mates. I don't like to build mafia teams without getting a dead one first though.

Day 2, 3J raised the idea that I'm on a team with Floyd and throwing him under the bus. Day 3, 3J is suggesting that I'm bad and trying to only make people think Floyd is on a team with me.

It's like he can't figure out which lie will sell best.

#1138

Being consistent is the easiest thing in Mafia, Epi. I don't give a crap about being consistent. I care about developing my reads.

#1139

That development spawned directly from your nonsense about lynching Floyd first.

#1140

MovingPictures07 stuff.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Yup, definitely taking the role of observer for a while.
I don't like this post. At all.

If you can't stand the heat, then stay out of the kitchen. I struggle to see why a civilian zebra would want to dial back her participation.

Giving Zebra too much crap for what I think was an honest move. I asked him about it too, but it's not hard to understand why he'd do this as a townie.

MovingPictures07 wrote:However, I feel as though this post exemplifies a characteristic I've seen from you this game that I do not feel I typically see of a civilian JJJ, and that I feel I've seen more in the few games I've witnessed you as anti-town. It's hard to describe exactly and I've been having trouble figuring out how to express it... but there's a difference with the diction and sentence wording with you this game. For example, in the above post, I get the feeling that you're implying that we should town read you because you're not tunneling.

Does that make sense? Is there any way you can address my concern here? I realize it's a bit abstract and up to my interpretation of your words, but there's something distinctly different about you this game and I cannot for the life of me get on the same page with you yet.

Does anyone else know what I'm talking about or am I alone here?

Reads like someone really struggling to find a way to join the anti-JJJ climate. That it's so vague isn't ideal, but I'm more bothered by the assertion that MP is associating my "diction/sentence wording" with an anti-town alignment. That's a pretty specific association and without a better example than the one provided (I didn't say anything resembling "should", the operative word) it looks like it's being pulled from nowhere, as in it'd be fake.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:zebra, and anyone else who has currently voted for Diiny, please talk to me about him. I've not been pinged by him all game, except for finding his treatment of Wilgy's gambit suddenly altering his read on Wilgy perplexing (if he is town). I'm struggling to get my head wrapped around why people are calling his behavior mafia.
Every single one of his posts reads as remarkably disingenuous to me, not to mention his lynch was sealed until JJJ brought up Enrique. I try to avoid team theories like most, but come on. That's something. Since you're the minority, I'm curious to hear why you haven't been pinged by him yet.
Difference of perspective, I suppose, since I haven't seen practically anything in his posts that has pinged me as disingenuous. He seems on-meta, and I think he has been trying to legitimately mafia hunt.

The unique perspective of Diiny is fine. I like a different viewpoint. I don't know much about how MP arrived here though. Multiple times has he stood in defense of Diiny, primarily on the strength of his apparent mafia hunting and his sincerity -- without showing examples of that. It's perhaps unusual of MP to adopt an atypical read without making some effort to convey it to everyone else in a convincing way. The read is just presented repeatedly in confident terms for reasons I don't believe have been clarified much.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Day 2 MP rainbow list:

Epignosis

DrWilgy
MacDougall

Diiny

DFaraday
motel room
TheFloyd73

a2thezebra
JaggedJimmyJay

FZ.

Voting FZ.

MP and I had some decent discussions related to his suspicion of me, and in each case it seemed like he approved of my answers. It didn't do me any favors on the rainbow though. I'm not convinced this read is ever truly developing.

MovingPictures07 wrote:With that said, I agree that motel room engaging both Wilgy and me separately in conversation regarding Wilgy's strategy are a good look. I hadn't really thought of it with regards to motel room's attempt to form a substantive read on Wilgy, but it makes sense.

I'll think about how it affects him on my rainbow overall, but I think he'll move up a level or two. I'm not willing to call him a moderate town read, but I won't be voting for him today.

Thanks again for producing these.

Too much hesitation to give motel room a break. MP had placed him in the middle pile of his prior rainbow, and even grants here that he'd be willing to move him up a level or two -- but not to the point of being a "moderate town read". A level or two would be firmly in green land. What does he have to do?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Day 2 EOD MP rainbow list:

No strong town reads

Epignosis
MacDougall
DrWilgy

Diiny
motel room

TheFloyd73
DFaraday
JaggedJimmyJay

a2thezebra
FZ.

No strong mafia reads

Most suspicious of Zebra and FZ at the end of Day 2.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey all. I'm going to apologize profusely in advance to all of you and MM. But this Day 3 timing couldn't possibly be any worse for me, since my final is Tuesday at 7:00AM. Expect me to be barely here. However, after that I'm fully willing to make up for any gap in supatown MP.

Welcome, sig! Glad to have you. Sad to see FZ. go, but it seems like she was pretty busy. I had FZ.'s behavior down as incredibly mafia-seeming, so you have a lot of room to grow, sig, if you are civilian. So far, so good.

I can join in applying pressure on JJJ for now. Curious to see what he has to say.

Mac, can you tell me how sig's behavior clears FZ.? His contribution so far seems solid, but I'm far from convinced.

Forgets Zebra exists and gives FZ/sig an immediate pass in favor of placing this "pressure vote" on the one player who nobody ever needs to reaction-bait. I'm the easiest vote of the day and this is weak.

~~~

I GTH read MP as mafia and felt like I should check his posts to figure out why. I found some pings. Here are the pings. I don't pretend this is the most damning material of all time, but without a dead mafioso nothing is going to be that damning. Address them as you've the time, MP. I may or may not be here when you're able to do that.

#1141

I loathe you all for giving me the post count lead. Also I'm going to need to self-reflect for a while after this game about the fact that I've played this game at about 25% and still lead the post count.

#1142

Voting Diiny. Suspicious enough to warrant my vote and logic kind of dictates the move anyway from where I sit right now. I have to get to sleep.

I expect to be dead when I wake up. So in advance of that, I'd like to apologize to y'all, townies and mafia alike, for the unspectacular effort I've given you in this game. I really am exhausted, both in general and specifically with Mafia. I've just had too much lately and it's finally caught up with me. I blame myself for this lynch before I blame any townie who might be contributing to it.

If you lynch me, you'll move into an elimination phase where all votes are locked. This means that if a single townie votes for any other townie, the game is over. The Mafia will pile on and it will be out of town's hands. So take care, but don't give up. Even if we don't win, wouldn't it be preferable to make them sweat it out a bit? I'm sorry again that I couldn't do more to make that happen.

I believe in y'all.

#1143

So you expect me to believe that you switched your vote from Epignosis when he was on 2 votes, to FZ when she was on 1 vote because;

a) Epignosis wasn't going to be lynched
b) You thought I would move my vote from Epi (red skittle) to FZ (yellow skittle)

Yet you didn't actually tell me that or ask me to do it.

I find that really hard to believe.

#1144

a2thezebra wrote:What do you think it means?

Buddying is when you attempt to build a rapport with a person or be friendly so that people (often that person) don't see you as a threat and are less likely to lynch you. Scum do it to town for reasons JJJ mentioned.

I have you, on balance, as a town read albiet one with stuff I'm not happy with and won't just let fly as I've said before. Our argument is probably as vocal as the three way between Mac, Epi and Jay. Does having you as a town read strike you as buddying? What do you think buddying is, because clearly it's not what I think buddying is.

Have you run out of shit to throw at me or something?

#1145

sig wrote:
Diiny wrote:Sig, why is JJJ scum outside of potential connections? Why am I scum outside of potential connections? Connections are useful as fuck in catching scum, and the spew review played a big part in last game's proceedings, but the connective element there was only useful because we'd already caught scum. Your scum read of certain players must be pretty strong to start making other people scummy by connection, and you've said next to nothing outside of connections. Why are your scum reads scummy in the first place?

linki: ugh, only if you reply to my reply to you first
I do have a strong scum read on him right know. I find the fact that you were able to survive two days of potentially being lynched to be suspicious, and JJJ post. Know what JJJ says about his meta might be true, but I don't know if it is. I recall JJJ being much different in TH mafia when I accused him.
I also believe he purposely set up a Enrique lynch. He mentioned Enrique a few times, but not to often then suddenly voted for him starting a counterwagon on you.

So yes a good part of my suspicion of him is based around his defense of you as well as his voting. It isn't a very strong case true, but I'm confident in my read of JJJ.

What's your case on me? You're still assuming I'm scum for some of your reasons for JJJ to be scummy, but I'm not sure why. I don't think you've said.

Why are you confident if your case isn't strong? Gut?

What does "and JJJ post" mean?

I agree on how he handled your accusation. How do you feel about his vote on me?

#1146

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
motel room wrote:some things:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:*prolonged fart noise*

Good night y'all.
^ this was the same response JJJ had in RYM #82 after working a bullshit case on me, we argued, then I flipped town. Lest we forget.
Let's go on a wild adventure into Mafia threads past.

RYM #82 (JJJ is mafia)

RYM #84 (JJJ is town)

Recruitment IV (JJJ is at the time unrecruited neutral)

Economics Mafia (JJJ is town)

Bullets over Broadway (JJJ is town)

Let's face it... I like saying that.

yeah ok fair, I just remembered your fake reaction to My lynch vividly.

#1147

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'll expand on why I completely dismissed Epignosis when he questioned Mac and I for being unwilling to lynch Floyd before him. It's an important component of why I still have a mafia read on Epi. Some people brought up RYM #82. I think only motel room (underlined to get his attention) played in it, so I'm going to need you (aokiji) to help me out here by confirming or denying what I say. I'm going to draw a parallel.

In that game, my mafia strategy was very simple -- make people think I'm MrMungbean's team mate (he was town), and always keep him one step ahead of me on the tally. The benefit was two-fold. First, if Mungbean is lynched and flips town, that suspicion evaporates. Second, if I am lynched before Mungbean, then my mafia flip will be all people need to lynch him next. Toward the end of the game, I shifted to a position that'd facilitate him going before me because it'd force town into an early LyLo or near-LyLo scenario from which they couldn't recover.

They lynched him at LyLo and lost the game.

In this setup, we're never very far from LyLo. 10 vs 3 to start is already a daunting ratio, and two mislynches leaves us at LyLo eve if a townie is lynched again (as we're on course for currently). Epi's insistence that Floyd should be lynched before him, and that people who don't acknowledge that are inherently suspicious for it, looks to me quite a lot like what I pulled in RYM #82. Epi has noted that some players (Mac and I) associated him and Floyd as team mates, and he's playing into it by doing nothing to argue the notion and keeping Floyd one step in front of him in the tally -- or at least he's trying to.

This might be an overly personal parallel to draw. I don't know. But it's in my head and it's affecting my read. I'll allow you folks to judge as you may, and I do reiterate that I need motel room's input especially because he's the only player who can really understand what I'm trying to say unfortunately.

Yes I played this game and yep I remember you saying that post game, and him being lynched over you but I don't remember personally thinking that there was a link between you guys but that might have been cos I was busy being dead pretty early on. So I can vouch for this being a thing you said, true. But in all honesty I have no idea how it went down in practice so I can't tie it to it being a thing here.

Epi went visibly hard on Floyd from word Go and in my mind if he had pursued it all tunnel vision without straying, that then\now would have looked scummy to me. People gave him heat for it on Day 1 but come Day 3 he actually has only had his vote on Floyd when it counts once. That looks to me like he's genuine and his death-to-floyd approach was just a ballsy way to start the game. So I hear you saying he's doing a similar link than what you say you did in that RYM game but without going back to check just yet I'm willing to bet yours was much more subtle and his is just loud?

#1148

Epi how do you feel about Floyd right here right now?

#1149

Diiny wrote:
motel room wrote:there's a lot of little separate shit going on that I want to get my head around but I'm somewhere like this right now:

MacDougall
MovingPictures07
Epignosis
sig
a2thezebra
TheFloyd73
JaggedJimmyJay
Diiny
Wait since when am I your scummiest and why? Last you said about me as far as I can tell from ctrl f is saying you didn't think I was scum. What the fuque.

You have 2 posts about J as far as I can tell and said you didn't particularly want to lynch floyd.

There's so little in your ph. Why are your baddies bad.

I think i said I wasn't as certain you were scum when Wilgy was saying you were def scum and Enrique was saying you were def scum. But you have this throwing everything on the wall and seeing what sticks feel to your posts when I read them, especially in your argument with zebra this was you

Floyd has done nothing but silently vote you since the vibe on him seems to have shifted to town-friendly.

#1150

Diiny wrote:
motel room wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Diiny wrote:lmao is it confirmed that wilgy's bullshitting now? talking about a thought process that mechanically couldn't have happened?
No fuckin shit.
So, concession?
Coy.
Also I'm gonna come right the fuck out and say I'm not sure what jay's post or motel's post mean here. Someone explain. Was concession supposed to read confession?

I'll use this as a jumping off point. Here's what I don't like about the JJJ vibe im seeing this game.

Suggesting a concession\confession is never going to result in anything except a safe place for a scum to put a vote in my experience. I've never seen anyone just shrug and give up, so this looks like a subtle explanation for where his vote ends up. Doesn't seem like a usual JJJ response.

i think there's a post somewhere also where he says why his pressure and vote on Epi was the tougher thing to do and should be viewed as town that didn't turn me on but I can't find it right now and need to jump on a conference call at work but looks like I'll be around for EOD today.

What say you?