[ENDGAME] Triskaidekaphobia Mafia

[S~V~S]

Rather than trying to lynch people based n their association with me, why not just lynch me, Jay? Itwill be easy since I am not really around t defend. This wa we won't lynch G Man,which I am guessing i your point, plus al of those posts about who is associated with me will be tons more valuable

Here, I will Help.

I hate posting on this phone, lol. I miss my old phone.

[S~V~S]

I tied it Jay. This way you can lynch ME, and then worry about those associations, right?

[Epignosis]

[DrWilgy]

I think the baddies are rabbit and epi

[DrWilgy]

CFD Rabbit!!

[Epignosis]

None of that is helpful.

[DrWilgy]

How so?

[Epignosis]

I don't believe I need to explain that for the eleventh time.

[S~V~S]

Well, Wilgy, I personally was trying to get JJJ to take a stand; tpput his money where his mouth is. Why do you no longer think I am bad?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I tied it Jay. This way you can lynch ME, and then worry about those associations, right?

I don't think you'd honestly be willing to throw the game away (which could be the case if any civilian pulls this stunt), so you're on.

[S~V~S]

If you are actually a civ, Jay, this is where you learn about me. I will happily lynch my vanilla ass to expose the baddies. I would NVER lynch my bad self for any reason.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If you are actually a civ, Jay, this is where you learn about me. I will happily lynch my vanilla ass to expose the baddies. I would NVER lynch my bad self for any reason.

That's the problem. Lynching yourself would expose nobody. It's pointless.

Who is "exposed" if you are mislynched?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

We only have one mislynch left in pretty much every likely scenario. To volunteer oneself as that mislynch is to say "I don't want to win, I don't care how hard the rest of you have worked."

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Gotta be freaking kidding me.

I'll vote for Scotty since he hasn't said a damned thing.

If you're town, don't quit. Come on.

[S~V~S]

So you aren't willing to put your money where your mouth is?Good to know. You think people are bad based on their association with me, but you won't lynch me.

I am gonna vote for G Man, which is where I am gonna vote every cycle I am alive.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

So you aren't willing to put your money where your mouth is?Good to know. You think people are bad based on their association with me, but you won't lynch me.

I am gonna vote for G Man, which is where I am gonna vote every cycle I am alive.

Do you think I am bad or not? You keep tossing these weak "accusations" at me without actually saying it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

And you keep scurrying away from the thread after every snide remark. You're bad.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Someone who knows S~V~S better than I do please analyze whatever this is.

[DrWilgy]

Well, Wilgy, I personally was trying to get JJJ to take a stand; tpput his money where his mouth is. Why do you no longer think I am bad?

I don't really think I thought you were bad.

Perhaps I'm justva softy though. We can have Gbro check you tonight anyhow.

[Epignosis]

Someone who knows S~V~S better than I do please analyze whatever this is.

I wouldn't dare.

[DrWilgy]

I guess the jist of what I'm seeing is... That SVS isn't John Cavil this time.

[Ricochet]

Missing: rabbit8

[Ricochet]

Night 4: Toothsome, Part 2

Bearing in mind the booming body count and the burning sense of paranoia they were feeling beaten by, the group was now backsliding into bouts of banter, botheration and blaming. Equally bitter they felt about the police chief having broken off any questioning for a while now and making a bad progress with profiling the remaining baddies - even worse was to hear his faulty, thought they, reasoning that, since everyone was accounted for in the cells, none of them could be blamable for this third victim's - *insert his name here* - butchering. So they bunched up once more inside the police station and inadvertently launched into a bowl of speculations.

'Best thing we can do', Jay took the initiative, 'is to profile ourselves and get to the bottom of it, via process of elimination.'
'Beginning with you', Epignosis snapped.
'But I already told you, I'm entirely trustworthy', Jay answered back, 'my credentials are solid.'
'Boy, don't start with that all over again', Epignosis said. 'We don't trust anyone. I don't trust anyone.'
'Barking up the wrong tree, I see', Jay rolled his eyes. 'We should clearly test each other again, Dr. Halloway made it clear that the bad seeds would not withstand the evaluation.'
'Baptism by fire!' shouted Quin.
'Been there, done that!' Epignosis emphasized, 'It. Does not. Work'
'Bring it on, then', Jay got slightly brassier. 'What's your phobia?'
'Bah', Epignosis dismissed it.
'Better tell us something or...’ SVS cautioned.
'Bah', Epignosis repeated.
'But didn't your wife falsify her forms by filling in your details?' Spacedaisy asked 'Think I heard Dr. Halloway talk about it with his secretary, after Elohcin was arrested. She must have written something, to fake it. What is it, then?'
'Bugs or something', Epignosis shrugged. 'No biggie.'
'By God!' Scotty rudely intervened, 'could you stop it with this endless, pointless exchange and figure something else out? I want to go home already.'
'What's the rush?' Jay inquired.
'I don't feel so well', Scotty explained, looking indeed slightly troubled as he was holding his hands around his stomach.
'Wait, aren't you the person who came to tell us that dead guy from outside disappeared?' Epignosis recalled.
'Yeah, probs, why's that?' Scotty asked.
'Well, maybe you had something to do with it', Epignosis pressed.
'Com'on, that's rich', grimaced Scotty, although you couldn't tell for sure if it was because of the accusation or because he was starting to feel real indisposed.
'You didn't interact too much with Elohcin back at the Center, did you?' Jay got on board and interrogated Scotty further.
'Why, I hardly knew the lady', Scotty rebutted.
'Almost as if... acting independent from her... and us', G-Man started piecing things togheter.
'Guys, really, com'o- ugh!' Scotty complained, only to suddenly be shaken up by a spasm.
'What's wrong with you?!' SVS got spooked.
'I feel there's... I hav-', Scotty struggled to speak, 'I have to go, I have a flight to catch.'
'A flight?' Epignosis frowned. 'I thought you said you had to go home.'
'Uh.'
'Tell us your phobia, right this instance', Jay demanded.
'No. It'll sound weird.'
'Speak, now', Jay reiterated.
'Guys, pleeaase', Scotty's spasms worsened.
'He's an accomplice, he's got nothing!' Quin exclaimed.
'You just wouldn't believe me anyway, it's so fucking weird', Scotty wailed.
'Tell us', Spacedaisy urged him.
'I... I have a recurring fear that the undigested food in my belly will become sentient, staging a coup and ripping through my gut to freedom.'
'You... what?!' the crowd shrieked.
'My entrails would spill out and I'd die of blood loss', Scotty kept babbling.
'Balderdash!' Epignosis shouted, jumping to his feet.
'Oh heck', was the last Scotty could utter, before being tackled by several of the men.

Meanwhile, Lt. Sock troubled the police chief with some information.

'Boss.'
'Busy', the Chief ignored him.
'Hey, boss.'
'Busy, I said!’ the Chief's temper blew up. 'What!' he indulged him nonetheless.
'Forensics sent us the report on that victim from the VR Center basement.'
'And?' the Chief pressed him to tell the important stuff.
'It said a lot of the victim's denture is missing from the scene.'
'Well, duh, he got cleaned off of them, didn't he?' the Chief mocked him.
'No, I mean missing. Not found.'

Before the Chief could snap out of his puzzlement and reply further, both he and Lt. Sock were startled by the noises and struggles coming from the group, as they were pinning Scotty on a table and beating him up. But then they halted and leaped back from the table, as Scotty's groan reached an inhuman intensity and his face screwed into mask of agony.

'It hurts! It hurts so bad!’ he yelled.
'What hurts?’ the Host asked, making his way through.
'Ohmygooaaaahh!!’ he howled.
'What the fuck, dude', someone shouted, 'your shirt!'

A red stain and then a smear of blood blossomed from below Scotty's chest, ripping apart through the fabric of his shirt. A small alien form, the size of an abnormal, overgrown tooth, burst through, splattering fluids and blood on everyone, and wriggled away out of Scotty's chest.

Scotty, an automatonocibophobe*, has been lynched.
He was Patient 4, vanilla mafia.
Oh, it is now Night 4. You have 24 hours to send me any PM actions.

*ad lib: fear of food turning sentient inside his stomatch

[Epignosis]

That'll do.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Cool beans. I think we can shut this down in short order.

[Quin]

Hi. I left my vote on a multiple of 4 and nothing bad appears to have happened.

Well, we did get a night poll.

[Quin]

I am not good at mafia.

[Epignosis]

Counting posts is for bitches.

[G-Man]

Brilliant choice to not lynch me! That in no way resembles the information I got from my Scotty peek though. I'll check with the host to see if I can reveal what I learned now that we know who Scotty really was. I glad I was right about him back on Day 1. Too bad my peek on him caused me to reconsider.

So what's the working theory now? Who should Wilgy jail and who should I check? If either of us guess right, it ends tomorrow. I'll pop in before the wedding to PM my peek choice.


4.01.N

[Quin]

Brilliant choice to not lynch me! That in no way resembles the information I got from my Scotty peek though. I'll check with the host to see if I can reveal what I learned now that we know who Scotty really was. I glad I was right about him back on Day 1. Too bad my peek on him caused me to reconsider.

So what's the working theory now? Who should Wilgy jail and who should I check? If either of us guess right, it ends tomorrow. I'll pop in before the wedding to PM my peek choice.


4.01.N

If you are the cop, I would surmise that you are likely not sane, given that all three power roles have been reported.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Nailing Scotty here as we did after a night phase with no kill should buy us another mislynch if the need arises. We're at 7 non-mafia versus 1 mafia now in all likelihood. After the night it'll either still be 7:1 or down to 6:1. Both allow for two mislynches before a LyLo phase. We also can now confirm that G-Man and Wilgy cannot both be bad no matter what, so at least one of them has been honest in his roleclaim (potentially both).

If I'm right and we have three opportunities to catch the final baddie, I think it'd be prudent for us to offer our top three suspects or more if you like. I think these are the baddie candidates, starting with the most likely:

S~V~S
rabbit8
Spacedaisy

The most viable alternative to those three is G-Man himself, who I feel only makes any sense as a baddie if Scotty is his team mate (a scenario that is now half-constructed). I don't think he's our guy, but I'll acknowledge that he's at least a logically valid option.

I don't think Epignosis kills Polo instead of G-Man or someone else more threatening. If Quin is bad we're probably going to lose because I see no good reason to lynch him.

[Quin]

Nailing Scotty here as we did after a night phase with no kill should buy us another mislynch if the need arises. We're at 7 non-mafia versus 1 mafia now in all likelihood. After the night it'll either still be 7:1 or down to 6:1. Both allow for two mislynches before a LyLo phase. We also can now confirm that G-Man and Wilgy cannot both be bad no matter what, so at least one of them has been honest in his roleclaim (potentially both).

If I'm right and we have three opportunities to catch the final baddie, I think it'd be prudent for us to offer our top three suspects or more if you like. I think these are the baddie candidates, starting with the most likely:

S~V~S
rabbit8
Spacedaisy

The most viable alternative to those three is G-Man himself, who I feel only makes any sense as a baddie if Scotty is his team mate (a scenario that is now half-constructed). I don't think he's our guy, but I'll acknowledge that he's at least a logically valid option.

I don't think Epignosis kills Polo instead of G-Man or someone else more threatening. If Quin is bad we're probably going to lose because I see no good reason to lynch him.

I wish so badly that I was bad, because if I was then this would be my proudest and best mafia game in my mafia history ever. But alas, I am civ. And I suck.

I could vote Spacedaisy tomorrow. She claimed indy as a way of discrediting G-Man's peek of Scotty. To be frank, I don't think there are indies in the game at all.

I don't think SVS is bad.
And I've had enough of the rabbit memes.

[Ricochet]

Please note that, for once, the poll might not be entirely banter.

[G-Man]

Back for a minute to strategize. I tried to check SVS night 3, so I can't check her again tonight. Figure out the consensus top two and Wilgy can jail one and I can check the other. Or does it make sense for Wilgy to jail himself?

4.02.N

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Back for a minute to strategize. I tried to check SVS night 3, so I can't check her again tonight. Figure out the consensus top two and Wilgy can jail one and I can check the other. Or does it make sense for Wilgy to jail himself?

4.02.N

S~V~S and rabbit.

[DrWilgy]

I'm jailin myself. It'll force mafia to clean out people who aren't confirmed and it will let me keep you alive at least 1 more turn.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Scotty/DrWilgy interaction:

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@JJJ, theres no reason, it just happened to catch my eye. On another note, YOU'RE BAD, I KNOW YOU'RE BAD, GET LYNCHED RIGHT NOW.

@svs, yo you bad again?

@Quin, I appreciate your memes, I'll vote with you.

"Know" is a pretty strong declaration. I "know" that grapes are bad for dogs, because of personal experience. (RIP Woof-Woof )


When someone gets a "peek" in a game, is that usually a role power or a non-alignment "gift" from a 3rd party? I'm seeing it as JJJ claiming our cop. It's been a while since I've been in these kinds of info dumping games,

Post 5

I think Wilgy was half-kidding in his caps lock "KNOW" declaration because of something I'd said earlier in the game. Scotty opting to say anything about it like it was serious looks like non-team mate behavior to me.

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You know, when JJJ advised us to go check Arrested Development, I seem to remember you doing the same thing. You came out giving a green peek to Sloonei, and you yourself were bad that game. Is history repeating itself, ehr Doctor?

So does this. Scotty is poking into minor details to try to provide a reason to throw shade at Wilgy.

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lso you're not the cop since I know both you and JJJ aren't cops. There is no world were either of you are cops, I do however know what JJJ is doing with saying I was his peek. Or a random villager got a random peek which does happen in some games. Either way JJJ isn't the cop.

Oh yeah, that's right. Nevermind.

You have experience with peeks either way; I'm confident you understand the value of giving them as a townie too.

I also understand the value of the peek game as a baddie. Learned it the hard way.

You wanna learn it too JJJ?

Until today I was the only one to bother. If nobody wants to give me cover then I'll just get killed anyway.

JJJ the fake cop thing is going a wee bit to far. :P


It is clear JJJ is providing cover for the real cop whoever he is, I'm not sure if Wilgy is doing the same or not.

I will most likely vote for Wilgy or SVS today.

Best case scenario is they're both civs, and neither is cop tbh. If one is the cop, that makes the doctor's job that much harder. Yet who the hell knows if we can believe you or INH are actually civ checks until JJJ and Wilgy are lynched?

See, fake claims can be useful..but they can also be quite a clusterfox. I would strongly suggest curtailing the peeks. Anyone does that after this is going to look very fishy to me, even if they ARE the real cop. Them's the breaks

Post 18[/quote]

Scotty was scurred of our fake peek nonsense (Wilgy and I) and "strongly suggested curtailing it).

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Wilgy: was the other person who "peeked" day 1. Said INH was green. Wilgy, did you get any more "peeks" today? Was yours a one-time thing? Are you just a liar liar pants on fire? Do you believe in love?

Cop hunting.

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I fully believe Wilgy is a jailor. I'm not satisfied you're not just a liar.

I'm voting GMan.

Using Wilgy's jailor claim to crap on G-Man. I think this makes both of them look better.

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VOTE POLO

This game thread is tiny. I want your thoughts.

4

Wilgy, I meant fist fight. Rumble in the jungle. What do you think of sig, Scotty, and S~V~S?

Hmm... Scotty's meme goes against your meme. Svs needs to respond to me, and I've actually ignored all but 1 of Sig's posts. I've only half read that post too... Oh well.

Tell me JJJ, what would you think of me if I'm considering staying on no lynch? It is the most anti civ option after all yo.

A bit vague in Wilgy fashion.

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@Scotty - Yes, but I won't be caught this time :P

Response to Scotty's comparison to the Arrested Development game.

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@Scotty this is a closed set up and I don't feel like my peeks should be 100% trusted. Based on INH's absence, I would like to kill him to see.

My second green was SVS. I was right to trust her. Where did she go anyways?

@Rabbit I don't think it's a matter of who or how many you accused. It was a tonal read thingy.

Idle chatter about the fake peeks.

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Theory: Scotty is the "mafia" team mate of Elohcin, and he registered as "independent" because he was the one that might betray her.

Him declining gman the way he did should result in a lynch.

I lied. I'm not the jailer. Scotty just gave himself away though.

Gman check SVS tonight. That will determine whether we vote rabbit or her. The only possible baddie after that is Epi and daisy.

A little anti-Scotty sentiment.

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I mean... The only people I'm not ok with lynching at this point is JJJ and Gman. Anyone else can be sorted through via processes of elimination at this point.

Murk Rabbit > Check SVS >Murk SVS or Daisy based on check > Murk Epi or Scotty if the game is still going. If all that doesn't solve the game then we kill Quin because Y not?

Sound like a plan?

And yes daisy that's what happened. I wanted to see what was up.

He puts Scotty at the back of the lynch priority list which isn't super great.

~~~

Overall I think they're not team mates. Scotty's posts indicate that to me more strongly than Wilgy's posts make me question it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Scotty/Epignosis interaction:

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My vote, as it stands right now, is going to either Scotty or insertnamehere.

Tell me more about this potential Scotty vote.

*waves hand* These are not the droids you are looking for

Day 1, Scotty fishing for clues about Epi's suspicion of him.

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Epi: you're an enigma. I said so truthfully when we both were bad before, and I say it again. I can't read you. But I see no fault in your going after me for assuming I am putting on airs for my day 1 shenanigans. I don't blame you for that assumption, and I'm not gonna lie- I'm not gonna stop doing what I normally do on day 1 regardless of my alignment. I figure I'll get lynched far less frequently and I'll avoid NK's as well on the first day. That's my hope anyway.

He provides commentary on Epi but not really a "read". That's not the most ideal thing. I could see his acceptance of Epi's suspicion as being an attempt to calm the aggressor's motivation to go after him though.

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@Epi are you dead set on lynching JJJ today? Like, would anything change your mind?
Who are your Second and Thirtiary susses?
How many licks does it take to get to the chocolatey center of a tootsie pop?

This question really doesn't serve a purpose.

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With Polo dead, I gotta go to the drawing board.
To answer your question, JJJ, I could see an Elo/GMan/Epi team. Or throw SVS in there. That's IF you are good, JJJ. I'm leaning civ on you now that Polo is dead and your posts after Elo outed herself.

Scotty drew up this rather arbitrary hypothetical team pairing Epignosis with G-Man.

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For Scotty, he's overplaying the "I'm bad at Days 1" card. This post in particular gave me the impression that he was preemptively undermining any effort anybody else put forth in determining if his own content was coming from a good or bad mindset.

Epi was unimpressed with Scotty's reluctance to engage Day 1 with any bravery.

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A question for Epignosis:

For Scotty, he's overplaying the "I'm bad at Days 1" card. This post in particular gave me the impression that he was preemptively undermining any effort anybody else put forth in determining if his own content was coming from a good or bad mindset.

I voted INH. I have blooper company in less than an hour. I must make citrus salmon with homemade salsa for fish tacos.

Your two preferences on Day 1 were Scotty and INH. I think Scotty was a more-consensus suspect and stood a better chance of drawing enough votes to be a viable option than INH. So why did you elect to vote for INH instead of Scotty?

Was he? Nobody voted for him at all.

I voted the fellow I had a more reasoned stance on.

Earlier in the game I asserted there could be some potential for an Epignosis/Scotty team given his Day 1 vote going to INH (who I felt was always less likely to be lynched even if at the time neither had votes). I am no longer inclined to follow this thread, but I'll put it here again for the sake of thoroughness.

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@Epi are you dead set on lynching JJJ today? Like, would anything change your mind?
Who are your Second and Thirtiary susses?
How many licks does it take to get to the chocolatey center of a tootsie pop?

Wilgy jumping off 3J when the votes start coming in has me suspecting him. You and INH remain on my list.

My mind hasn't changed about 3J. After all, it's his birthday. Don't we have a tradition around here about birthday lynches?

He maintained his suspicion of Scotty through his spat with me.

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Some things to be attentive to:

We started with 14 players and are now down 4, all town. I think that means that the most likely current ratio is 6 townies to 3 baddies to 1 independent. Those aren't great numbers, even considering we're about to eliminate a baddie. That could be one mislynch short of LyLo, no matter when the mislynch takes place. Scotty's role could also add complications if he is anti-town (a demo man is a possibility, or alternating night kills between he and the baddies).

The number of power roles and how they are distributed is dependent upon Rico's interpretation of the heist game guidelines. If he interpreted "three power role limit" to mean "just for the town faction", then that's quite different to "for all factions combined". I am inclined to think with the latter mindset, because it is the more dangerous scenario and thus the one best to be prepared for. We have one cop and one unknown independent -- that'd leave room for one more non-vanilla role. It could be on the baddie side, perhaps a godfather. Given the original numbers though (10:3:1), I think it's more likely to be on the town side, most likely the doctor who will be keeping our cop alive through Night 3.

Big baddie Elohcin needs to die.


3.01

No proof there's a cop in play. G-Man makes the power play. People bought what he was selling without question. Scotty denies being independent.

Epi references Scotty's rejection of the independent peek to cast suspicion upon G-Man. There is some potential for coordination between he and Scotty on this one I think.

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Say a madman was threatening me right now, I'd say Scotty and S~V~S are the teammates.

I moved my vote to Scotty for now.

Epi was the first to vote Scotty while the larger wagons were on G-Man and S~V~S. He did this knowing I would be likely to join his vote, so I think that's a good look.

~~~

There are a couple small reasons to wonder about Epignosis, but they aren't conclusive. I'm inclined to judge him based on other factors, which at the moment lead me to a civilian read.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Scotty/G-Man interaction:

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I've already answered this. I can't help if you, GMan and JJJ find it suspicious. But good to know you think that post is also the first suspicious post of the game.

My current propensity is to vote Polo today, unless he shows up.

Post 20

This was in response to S~V~S agreeing with my initial suspicion of Scotty for suggesting I invited a self lynch. Scotty rather laboriously listed all three of these names in this post and I'm not sure what that indicates. He felt like he had to say them all.

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GMan: I saw you said I looked "twitchy" or something day 1. That's the gist I got as to why you were trying to start a train on me. I don't know what defines twitchy, but I'll take that as a compliment. Id rather be twitchy than lax and lazy, tbh. What is your current stance on me, and what do you think of the other people laying low right now?

Scotty takes a light accusation from G-Man and kind of jokes around with it, which isn't great. He does ask G-Man to take a current stance on him though, which isn't always typical of team mate behavior. It's bold to ask one's team mate to conclusively state their perspective of you, because it puts pressure on them.

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Sorry I'm playing like poop y'all. I've been predisposed.

And looky looky what the cat dragged in.

You know what's funny? I was going to play along with GMan's ploy in calling me indie, and make up something because I knew he was full of crap, but his red peek of Elo compounded with her flat out confession made me pause.

I am not indie. I am a vanilla town, and you can take that to the bank.

The amount of time between what appears to be an Elo call out from GMan and Elo's "blowing up" if you will is very quick in the big scope of things. I feel like this whole thing was planned on GMan's part.
What I don't understand in this scenario is a bad Elo being so eager in the early game wanting to be bussed at this point. Is that a gambit that Mafia would employ this early just to add habanero to the soup?

I will be voting Elo but I guess I wonder if she would have a trick up her sleeve or else GMan does.

I can assure you that GMan is NOT the cop, and got lucky with the Elo "peek".

This bit is probably the most interesting this interaction. If they're not team mates, then G-Man presenting an independent peek on Scotty (which we now know was incorrect) poses a challenging problem for Scotty -- does he refute that peek outright and attack G-Man for "lying", or does he shrink back and just play defense? This post here, and particularly the highlighted portion, look to me like a player who wasn't sure how to deal with G-Man's peek until the Elohcin red peek and her confession gave him an avenue. He didn't outright attack G-Man, at least not until later in the game, and instead he was pretty collected about it. This is what I would expect from a baddie talking to a non-team mate, especially when it's a claimed cop who just exposed his true team mate. Attacking that civilian would be playing with fire and I don't think Scotty wanted to take the risk -- not until Wilgy's jailer claim gave him a way to do so.

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GMan, if you did in fact check me, and it came back Indie, there is some tomfoolery somewhere. I swear I am villa. So can you see from my perspective of why I'm rather hostile towards you? The good news is that even if you are full of shit, Elo outed herself. So your little gambit worked out.

Lynch me after the first 2 or 3 or however many Mafia are killed and if we still didn't win, then go ahead and lynch me if you're in doubt. I'm not doing much for the civ cause right now even if y'all did believe me. This week is hell like I said.

He's still favoring the "tomfoolery" explanation instead of the "G-Man is bad" explanation.

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Again, if we're getting down to the skivvies and no one else looks enticing, (and GMan, the lying sack of potatoes, has been lynched if he hasn't been NK'd yet) just lynch me if you want to settle your minds.


Also voting Elo.

Encouraging the notion that G-Man should be lynched if he isn't night killed. This might lend credence to the notion that the baddies abstained from a kill, but that theory is also probably unnecessary with Wilgy's claim in play.

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Scotty, Elohcin has since reneged on her baddie claim and resumed playing. Does this mean something to you?

Uh no? Does it you?

No, but I am not simultaneously refuting a G-Man peek.

I'm only saying what I know to be true. do you think it's at least possible that GMan is full of bunk and just got a lucky? Hell, I could have come in and said Colonel Sanders' main ingredient in his chicken is Soylent Green and it could be revealed as so. Doesn't mean I performed a dead chicken seance and learned it. Could be a lucky postulation.

Or, could be a big red bus.

He is starting to push a little harder against G-Man, but still respecting both sides of the discussion. He either "got lucky" or it was a "big red bus". Scotty is trying to subtly promote the growing anti-G-Man sentiment in the thread without ever committing fully to it. It's hard as a baddie to commit to the lynch of a known cop. That'll get anyone in trouble.

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Dunno. Indie is oddly specific. I think another possibly theory is there is a mechanic in this game that puts a lens through his peeks? If he really is the cop, there's some sort of hijinx at play here.

If he is bad, then like I said earlier, Elo could have been a planned target. Maybe she knew her goose was cooked, and let GMan be the one to assign the scapegoat. This would get him huge Cred, but you are right that it's a far-fetched idea if he doesn't survive the night.

Again. Trying to edge the thread in the anti-G-Man direction, but always with a caveat (highlighted). I think this kept happening because Scotty realized he needed G-Man to be viewed as suspicious, but it was hard to promote that agenda without being illogical.

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Finished reading back.

[quote="GMan]Scotty claims he is civ and not indy. I have to consider that I am what is called a Confused Cop, where my peek results are not completely trustworthy. My peek was correct Day 0 and Night 2. Night 1 is unconfirmed and Night 3 was blocked. If it's as simple as an every-other pattern, I would expect my Night 4 peek to be accurate.

Wait- Is that your role description? If so, why are you just now revealing this? Or is that just a hypothesis?

With the 3 roles basically surmised I see no way you were influenced to get my role wrong via outside presences. So either there's something of your role you don't know about. Or you're bad.

I fully believe Wilgy is a jailor. I'm not satisfied you're not just a liar.

I'm voting GMan.[/quote][/quote]

He jumped at the opportunity when Wilgy's half-false jailer claim provided a way to implicate G-Man. At the time, the most likely lynches were G-Man himself and S~V~S. Like I said in the Wilgy write-up, I think this is a good look for both Wilgy and G-Man. It is also a bad look for S~V~S.

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Ah yes, you know I agree with this criticism. Day 1 lynches produce more info than no-lynches, but why even invite a self-lynch. In what world would that benefit town if you are town?

I didn't invite a self-lynch. This is the first suspicious post of the game.

I find myself pinged by Scotty's post too.

[/quote]

G-Man joined S~V~S and I in casting suspicion upon Scotty for the first post in this quote sequence.

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Bang on! Good thinking, Scotty. I remember there being multiple people claiming to have peeks in Arrested Development but I don't remember how many of those claims were actually true. I know some of them were to provide cover for the real cop to put her (Spacedaisy) info into the thread.

[/quote]

I'm not alarmed by this positive interaction.

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EPIGNOSIS:
-I'll admit that it took me three tries to understand his INH-is-posturing post. I get it but I'll have to see how INH's ISO shakes out.

-He got cute and overthought the reason for my shenanigans.

-He mentions both INH and Scotty as the most likely to receive his vote. I get INH but can you explain Scotty? Other people discussed him but your ISO failed to mention him by name.

My feelings about Epi are contingent upon a few things. Not any warier than usual just yet.

I do sometimes see this generic "please tell me more about why you suspect my team mate, mister townie" thing, so there's that.

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Scotty:
Despite applying good pressure to JJJ on his Arrested Development reference, Scotty seemed a little high-strung at times early on and I don't think it's because I was reading fast.

G-Man provides one positive observation of Scotty but still seems to arrive at a net-negative read, even if slightly.

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Because there are three baddies, I am going to have my GTH reads to reflect our situation (11 civ, 3 baddie). I parsed my neutral/on-the-fence reads to force a GTH read on them one way or another. Here is what I came up with:


DrWilgy- Civ
Elohcin- Mafia
Epignosis- Civ
G-Man- Civ
insertnamehere- Civ
JaggedJimmyJay- Civ
Polo- Civ
Quin- Civ
rabbit8- Civ
Scotty- Mafia
Sig- Civ
Spacedaisy- Civ
S~V~S- Mafia
Vompatti- Civ


Voting for Vompatti would be information purposes and nothing else. Vomp's style is one that is appealing to baddies to leave in the game to mess with civvie heads. This is also a powerful potential WIFOM for him to utilize. I'm going to live by the sword and die by the sword this game. I'm going to vote for one of my three Mafia GTH reads. Of the three, the two I am most interested in voting for are Scotty and S~V~S. Anyone open to voting for them with me?



1.19

GTH bad read on Day 1 (if S~V~S is bad he was 3 for 3 on Day 1). I am hesitant to believe that G-Man would isolate his only two team mates (Scotty and Elohcin here) as mafia reads on Day 1, especially when he provides only three mafia reads overall. Good look.

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Sorry JJJ. I should've stated "what do you think of Sig's reaction in regards of what I stated following."

I'm not sure what you're referring to. Please reference the specific sig post you're talking about.

JJJ:
Wordy McSupatown does feel a bit forced at times but I don't know that I've played against baddie JJJ before, though I have felt suspicious of him in other games when he was civ.

I am a bit forced. That's how I roll in the earliest stages of a game.

Forced reads might annoy people, but I think they are a vital catalyst of moving a game beyond everyone chatting kindly in OT and making jokes and into okay we're playing Mafia now.

But I wasn't referring to your reads or even your methods. I was talking about your tone. It's got a hint of faux-meta but that's not enough at this point to concern me.

Would you vote for either Scotty or S~V~S?

If no, who are your top two right now?

He pressed me for a vote for either Scotty or S~V~S on Day 1. Nice look.

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You want the truth? I'd much rather lynch Scotty than you today but there seemed to be more of an appetite for you over him. I want to vote for someone in my top 3. Eloh is my #3 and is too soft a suspicion to act on. You're my #2 and with Epi voting elsewhere, I didn't see a Scotty train as feasible. Would you join me in voting for Scotty? I have about 20 more minutes at the office before calling it quits for the night.

So you are willing to lynch me to quench your appetite and for admitted paranoia?

Bingo. But I'm open to voting for Scotty McTwitchenhausen as well.

This was in response to S~V~S asking G-Man why he voted for her instead of Scotty. He doubled down on his suspicion of Scotty and tried to get S~V~S against him too. The good looks continue.

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Best alternative for me right now is also Elohcin. Scotty slid down to #3 on the re-read and I'm very conflicted about my S~V~S suspicion. Having just seen her as a baddie, I know she is committed to a team. Her absence weighs heavily on my mind.

On Day 2 he eased up a little bit against Scotty, but still suggested Elohcin was his preferred alternative to lynching me.

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Bombshell reveal time: G-Man has a civvie role. Scotty don't! He is an independent.

I wanted to get this information out there in case I was NK targeted. If I wasn't targeted, then this is hitting the thread too late for the baddies to switch their kill. If that is the case, hang tight! I'll have another peek coming shortly.


2.07.N

Original post in which G-Man reveals his independent peek on Scotty.

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Linki: I can't tell if Scotty is just denying it or if he is in fact hostile to the civvie cause.

If there's anything that concerns me about G-Man, it's that he didn't really react much to Scotty rejecting his peek. I'd expect that to develop into a more active conversation between those two than it did.

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G-Man, explain your rationale for your other peek choices as well.

But of course.

My Day 0 peek (INH) was given to me by the host.

My Night 1 peek was Scotty. He was my #1 suspect on Day 1. As tempting as it was to check Epi or SVS (to people who I always am slow to embrace) I decided to stick with Scotty. He had a fair amount of suspicion on him despite not getting votes and that told me that the baddies were not likely to kill him.

My Night 2 peek was Elohcin. I thought her game was off. As I've said, she seemed too agreeable to sidle up to the theories of others. She really seemed to latch on to Epi's parsing of JJJ. Maybe she thought that he'd be inclined to defend her if she agreed with him enough. Not sure how their married-mafia dynamic works.

Both my host-given Day 0 peek and my Night 2 peek have been proven accurate. My Night 1 peek is still undetermined. If there is a secret component to my role that I am not privy to, maybe my peeks are only accurate every other night. I don't know.


4.05

His explanation for his decision to peek Scotty on Night 1 is consistent with his words on Day 1.

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Scotty
I know what role information I was given for you. It was a little spooky. In light of Wilgy's claim, however, I don't see you as an active threat to the civvies. If you are a survivor role, then you already know that siding with the baddies is foolish at this point. You're in this category solely because I believe my peek that you are an indy.

What do you think of my bonkers theory that Scotty is actually the baddie team mate of Elohcin who may have been "programmed" or otherwise incited to betray her? I think an independent check makes some sense in that scenario, as would his abject rejection of your peek.

Bold and outside-the-box thinking for sure but if Scotty was "programmed" to betray her as you suggest, wouldn't that violate the three non-vanilla guidelines? If Scotty could betray her, then he can "perform an action or trigger an event within the game," to quote our host.

My interpretation of Eloh's role description was that she was led to believe one of her teammates may be plotting against her. The existence of the term 'paranoid' in her role title suggests that she was duped into that line of thinking. I doubt she was told she was the Paranoid Mafia Leader. She was probably just told she was the Mafia Leader and that one of her teammates may betray her. The game is, after all, based on fear.

Scotty claims he is civ and not indy. I have to consider that I am what is called a Confused Cop, where my peek results are not completely trustworthy. My peek was correct Day 0 and Night 2. Night 1 is unconfirmed and Night 3 was blocked. If it's as simple as an every-other pattern, I would expect my Night 4 peek to be accurate.


4.10

G-Man's response to my assertion that Scotty might actually be mafia instead of civilian or independent based on Elohcin's role description. Whether I was right about Scotty being the player named to Elohcin is less important than his alignment. G-Man was hesitant to adopt this mindset, but primarily because of that Elohcin-specific theory. He seemed to trust his peek despite Scotty's protests.

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Brilliant choice to not lynch me! That in no way resembles the information I got from my Scotty peek though. I'll check with the host to see if I can reveal what I learned now that we know who Scotty really was. I glad I was right about him back on Day 1. Too bad my peek on him caused me to reconsider.

So what's the working theory now? Who should Wilgy jail and who should I check? If either of us guess right, it ends tomorrow. I'll pop in before the wedding to PM my peek choice.


4.01.N

It'd be good to know if anything has come from this, G-Man.

~~~

There are some iffy moments after his independent peek on Scotty. I do think though that the evidence in his favor is strong enough for me to discard that stuff without worrying about it much. I still feel fine about G-Man.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Scotty/Quin interaction:

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follow up question:

WHY???????????????

Yoni Wolf

How does one do the links to peoples post histories? I'll do it when everyone has posted for convenience

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I have no idea but that would be nice. I hope this is my 11th post. I did list of posts counts that won't fly, and once you get into the 20's in a cycle, it gets pretty hairy. I would advise everyone to do the same, or else "stuff" will happen.

Like Vompatti being thrown out the airlock for insubordination.

So say we all.

Inconsequential Day 0 banter.

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I'm leaving my vote on Polo.

Quin, was that "explanation" he gave really enough to quench your sus of him? Am I the only one seeing this?

Scotty, who are the one or two mafia you wouldn't be surprised to be on the Vompatti bandwagon?

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I could definitely see Elo being bad. I wouldn't be surprised if SVS or SD are in fact bad in that wagon either.

"But Quin, I was counting on you to help me mislynch Polo! It was supposed to be easy to mislynch Polo!"

Good look.

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- Scotty says some stuff about relying on meta early on, which I agree with. He also twisted 3J's words about 'willing to be lynched' which ...I don't?

He offers a two-sided take on Scotty early in the game.

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Which direction do you lean on the players you mentioned, Quin?

What about you?

I'm reading you, Scotty, Wilgy and elohcin as good, and the rest as bad, with the exception of SVS, who I'm pretty torn between right now.

I'm not sure why he felt like he could justify reading Scotty at "good" at this point.

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My vote, as it stands right now, is going to either Scotty or insertnamehere.

Tell me about Scotty.

He was interested in Epi's suspicion of Scotty but not INH.

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Scotty: Disliked his reasoning for voting no lynch - I agree with his reasoning here considering he never said why.
Agreed with 3J's case - meh.

I don't know what this read is.

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This is post 21. I'll fill it with some GTH reads.

wilgy - civ
elohcin - civ
epignosis - civ
gman - civ
INH - bad
3j - civ
polo - bad
rabbit - bad
scotty - civ
spacedaisy - bad
svs - civ

GTH civilian read on Day 2 (Elohcin also civilian).

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There was an earlier discussion about the likelihood of indies being in the game. From what I've seen in it, Scotty was in the spotlight the most about his opinion that indies weren't in the game. G-Man could be painting him based on that, waiting for someone to pick up on it without reading too deep into it. Or, he could be indie. Either way, he's not a priority lynch and there's no guarantee he doesn't have a civ motivation.

If Scotty is a harmless independent, then I don't know what would hold him back from just telling us that. It's legal to do so. Instead he has outright denied being an independent and called G-Man a liar -- this means one of them must be a liar at least in this instance.

Well that's an easy one.

If he's civ, he's fine.

If he's indie: 'I have no idea who's bad so let's all just lynch Scotty because he's indie and definitely a threat to us'

Quin, I don't quite understand what you're saying here. Could you restate it?

I'm saying that its likely Scotty is opposing g-mans claim because people would likely try to lynch him because there doesn't appear to be a better option. That's what I would do.


I'm phone posting and the uni internet is shit today. I'll elaborate further when I get home if you need me to.

Theory: Scotty is the "mafia" team mate of Elohcin, and he registered as "independent" because he was the one that might betray her.

I don't think there was anyone that might betray her. Her role says 'paranoid' after all.

Quin did spend some energy standing up for Scotty when I was suggesting he might be an anti-town independent and later a mafioso.

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Wait a minute: Scotty can be an independent with a roleblock as his power or among his powers. That could reconcile two of them.

Elohcin
Scotty
G-Man

Abstinent night kill

Is this your final answer, JumboJollyJim?

Ehhh. This all seems like such a bizarre gambit if that's the case.

I've considered the effectiveness of withholding a night kill but I don't see it actually being done, especially right after a mafia was lynched. I personally think they'd try to kill the cop. But in turn, that means that the killer was either roleblocked or the target was protected. Either way, that's a fourth role. Ricochet's hosted heists before so I'm sure he knows to limit the amount of power roles appropriately.

My opinion is that G-Man isn't the cop, with therefore frees up Scotty from being indie. His avid disagreement with the claim makes me think he's being honest. It also means there's no roleblocker, and room for either a roleblocker or a doctor. He was right about Elohcin, which means he's either a really lucky imposter or it was, in fact, a bus.

Eventually Quin took the stance that Scotty is not independent, but he never seemed to progression that assertion into "Scotty is bad".

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This doesn't make Quin look like a glistening model of town muscle and grit. There are some issues. It comes down to deciding whether Quin was guilty of being wrong or guilty of being [/i]guilty[/i]. I'm still inclined to lean toward the former, but there's more potential for a bad Quin here than I expected to find.

The best look for him is Scotty's attempts to mislynch Polo and his indignation when he lost Quin's support on that.

[G-Man]

Back again between the wedding and reception. I was told that I could not say the name I was given for Scotty directly. Lucky for me, I snuck it into one of my posts in a manner of speaking. Looks for my post with the in it. I had hoped to draw a reaction out of Scotty with it but I understand why he didn't, knowing now that my peek was wrong.

Gotta jet. Reception in 20 minutes!


4.03.N

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Scotty/rabbit8 interaction:

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@INH: Twitch your eyebrow on day 1 is good enough, IMO, to vote for someone. Thus one reason I'm about ready to give SVS a vote. She brought up sig just to bring him up while saying he was just saying something. I really think she was trying to get others to get a twitch from sig.

But you're advocating a no lynch. I don't agree with you. I have to wonder if a baddie is hiding behind the no lynch to look civvie. I will be looking at you three early no lynch voters harder.

@Scotty: I don't think there would be an indy in this game, but you never know. So clarification is good.

I'm mostly banking on this post by MP RE: Heist games:

We were planning on having a discussion after Zodiac is over, since it's become noted now that the guidelines aren't completely clear, but if any role is anything other than a vanilla role, then it is by definition a power role, not a mechanic. Except for a mafia kill.

Although the Jobs and Side Missions guidelines are meant to be loose, the Heist guidelines are intended to be rather rigid, since these games are designed to be very simple, straightforward games. Experimentation is allowed, but only within the 48/24 and 3 or fewer power roles limit. So going forward if you're a Heist host or thinking about being a Heist host and your game doesn't fit those guidelines to the T, then your game will have to be moved to the Side Mission queue.

I doubt that even one of the power roles would be considered as an indie. And indie does not equal vanilla. I would bet a lot of money that there are no indies in this game.

Meh, I never read that before. I have not played here in a while.

It does not specifically state there can be no indy's. I don't know why you're asking me though. I wanted clarification from INH. What are you prodding for exactly?

I'm not prodding, I'm settling.

The topic of the conversation is rather inconsequential (whether independents are allowed in Heist games). I somewhat appreciate rabbit's line of questioning though.

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Something Epi said in Mafia chat during the office (or maybe it was LoRab?) is the theory that Mafia are far more likely to start trains than pile on, so I wouldn't rule out Elo or rabbit as potential Mafia mates.

Rabbit: why DID you vote for Vomps? I don't remember seeing an answer to that.

Did Scotty stick his two team mates together in this sentence? This is probably a good moment to read rabbit -- usually this is one and one, not two baddies. He also kind of scapegoated rabbit for the Vomps vote.

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Rabbit: why DID you vote for Vomps? I don't remember seeing an answer to that.

I'll vote vomps for now, I might not make it home in time to vote or switch my vote. If the no lynch voters move thier votes I will be moving mine to SVS, unless I don't make it home in time. Apparently there is a lot of traffic today.

Asked and answered.

@Wigs... Okay. I don't know how to not sound cutthroat when I'm accusing someone, I guess. Since I'm trying to cut their throat? I don't really know what to say about it so I'll just let it go.

Answer to the question about the Vomps vote.

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The fuck is going on in this game?

I don't know, but who do you suspect most? Please give more than one name.

SVS
Scotty
Wigly

Scotty was one of his three named suspects on Day 4.

~~~

The content is limited, but I do think the stuff we have here is a nice look for rabbit. *Quin's head explodes*

[Quin]

I was waiting for my supertowning reputation in this game to crumble once you got to me.

I also town read Elohcin consistently. Call it a WIFOM, but town-reading both my teammates if I was bad in the way I did seems self-destructive.

I'm bad, but not alignment wise. I just suck.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Back again between the wedding and reception. I was told that I could not say the name I was given for Scotty directly. Lucky for me, I snuck it into one of my posts in a manner of speaking. Looks for my post with the in it. I had hoped to draw a reaction out of Scotty with it but I understand why he didn't, knowing now that my peek was wrong.

Gotta jet. Reception in 20 minutes!

Could someone else please find the post G-Man is referring to? I need to finish these analyses.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I already did the Scotty/S~V~S interaction.

Despite her self-vote antics last night, I still think she is a high-probability team mate of Scotty and Elohcin.

[Quin]

Back again between the wedding and reception. I was told that I could not say the name I was given for Scotty directly. Lucky for me, I snuck it into one of my posts in a manner of speaking. Looks for my post with the in it. I had hoped to draw a reaction out of Scotty with it but I understand why he didn't, knowing now that my peek was wrong.

Gotta jet. Reception in 20 minutes!

Could someone else please find the post G-Man is referring to? I need to finish these analyses.

I'm looking, but I can't find it.

[Quin]

Bummer sig. Rest in peace.




My GTH reads need adjusting now. I must contemplate.



2.01


linki: you show me your peek and I'll show you mine

Here.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Scotty/Spacedaisy interaction:

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I tried to post earlier when I voted but my internet has been wonky this evening. I've never found Hillary Swank to be attractive, or hot any other word of the kind. but to each their own.

Jay, you are saying you would rather we lynch you than we no lynch? If you are a civ, how would this be beneficial to us? You should know you are civ (assuming you are), and thus lynching you would mean we would be down two civs if a civ gets NKed, which seems likely, rather than one if we were to no lynch rather than lynching someone you know is a civ. Don't get me wrong, I'm not in favor of a no lynch. But I would rather a no lynch than my own lynch, because I know that it is not in the civs' favor. But I am not in favor of a no lynch versus someone I don't know that same thing about. So I am confused why you would prefer your own lynch over a no lynch. Please explain your reasoning there.

Question 2: is there a female celebrity that you do find hot?

Ah yes, you know I agree with this criticism. Day 1 lynches produce more info than no-lynches, but why even invite a self-lynch. In what world would that benefit town if you are town?

When Scotty suggested I "invited a self-lynch", he was sort of piggy-backing a point first made by Daisy. I think Scotty was trying to be opportunistic and it was a transparent mistake -- the perceived "opportunity" existed because SD said it first. I generally find that baddies are more likely to piggy back civilians/people not on their team, because it associates them falsely and can garner trust/facilitate pocketing.

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SVS and Daisy are the stragglers on that train, and I don't even remember why they voted for Vomps to begin with.

Similar vague half-scapegoating as he did with rabbit. The same can be said of S~V~S.

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Lol I have 10 min

If there's to be a counter to my wagon, I'm not enthralled by it being Polo. If not Epignosis, I could go for Spacedaisy. I'm open to discussion.

Why, if you don't want to go for the "low-hanging fruit" as you call Polo, would you want to go for Spacedaisy, who has been even more absent than Polo?

You have been soft defending Polo the past few days, and I just don't understand it. You really think SD is more suspicious?

I wouldn't be surprised if you and Polo were brothers in crime. I really wouldn't. I'm nervous to go after you right now in case you ARE the cop, but the connection is there for me. More so validated than your previously proposed INH-Epi-me link.

I'm leaving my vote on Polo.

Quin, was that "explanation" he gave really enough to quench your sus of him? Am I the only one seeing this?

Scotty, who are the one or two mafia you wouldn't be surprised to be on the Vompatti bandwagon?

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I could definitely see Elo being bad. I wouldn't be surprised if SVS or SD are in fact bad in that wagon either.

No, Scotty, I don't think Polo is as suspicious as Spacedaisy. I fon't think he is as suspicious as you. "Lynch A Lurker" is not a compelling case ever.

What is Spacedaisy then???!

Linki: I know you would ever make it easy to figure out if you are a bad guy if you were one: Transistor is a shining example. We all flail in our own ways. Your overt legacy defense with only 1-2 votes was quite a flail IMO

White knighting for SD when I was willing to lynch her and not Polo. Nice look.

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G-Man, I think the most likely players to miss that post are S~V~S and Daisy.

I'm also not sure Quin kills Polo after he'd been giving me a little crap for defending Polo.

G-Man, whaddya think of Scotty's denial of your indy peek?

You make too many assumptions Jay. I saw the post, but I believed it to be in the best interest of G-man not to draw attention to it. I also saw his post where he stated clearly that INH was a bad idea for a lynch. Just because I don't advertise what I saw doesn't mean I didn't see it. If I was bad, G-Man would already be dead and likely you too. Also, I'm not certain that G-Man is the real cop or that there even is a cop. His claim about Scotty being indy does not add up for me. Regardless, Elo has conceded her baddie status and I don't see any reason to vote somewhere else.

This came before Daisy claimed indy herself, which supports the claim.

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Let's recap:

Wilgy: I'm the jailer, but I only role block, Gman is bad

Wilgy: JK, I'm not the jailer! Scotty is bad

Wilgy: I lied I'm the jailer and I block and protect. Scotty is bad.

WTF is going on? Come someone please explain something to me in such a way that would actually help me to place an informed vote here? Clearly there has been something in all this craziness that has led Wilgy and Jay to believe Scotty is bad but I don't get it.

Thoroughly confused by the shenanigans from Wilgy and I.

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That is funny that you called that a veiled defense of me because that particular post irked me because it basically was like, well a self vote is the least civ thing you could do. It felt like a soft accusation to me at the time.

I'm putting my vote on Scotty at the moment, seems from the interactions and from the exchanges with Elo that he is a likely teammate.

It was Daisy's vote that killed Scotty. She could have gone for G-Man or S~V~S instead. Nice look.

~~~

I'm most inclined to believe Daisy's indy claim, especially with Scotty confirmed as not indy.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

After all that I still think S~V~S is the most suspicious by a pretty wide margin. If anyone disagrees with that, please say so and say why. Time is limited and anyone might be dead shortly.

[Epignosis]

Scotty is the Agent of Fortune?