RED vs. BLUE: Endgame

#2441

inh, do you have a dog in this fight, or have you already won?

#2442

I would really have liked some input from inh, but I guess I won't be around for end of day so I'll miss anything he's got.

Here is what I think after meeting both Jay and MM's requests.

I think you have both said things that you believe to be true. Jay doesn't believe he would take big risks and draw attention to himself when anti-town. MM doesn't believe he would kill epi except when it is necessary.

However, what I see really just confirms my thinking that it's MM. Jay's thing, for me... I don't actually believe it's necessarily true. I think Jay is aware enough of his own game that he would take risks in a role like the serial killer. But I believe that Jay believes it to be true right now, it comes across as very genuine, and Jay could not both believe it to be true and simultaneously actually be the sk and be doing it.

MM also is telling the truth about epi, but what he has more or less made clear is that there are exceptions, and those exceptions are where it is necessary. I could see a situation where MM thought he had either found Trump or believed epi to be the last baddie and believed that removing him was necessary to clear the way for his own win. I also think in the situation where MM feels that it is necessary, he can fall back on his meta and that's something he would know in advance.

Trying to make sense of the kills from MM's perspective - Boomslang and Rico there is really no reason for MM not to kill them. Epi I've dealt with already. That leaves sloonei.

MM killing sloonei doesn't really make sense, but then neither does Jay. It has to be Trump hunting. My theory is that if MM thought that inh and I were not trump, he wanted to leave alive the person that he thought would most likely be willing to lynch either myself or inh ahead of him, and that would be Jay more than sloonei. Not much of a theory, but I don't really have much better from any perspective about sloonei.

So, in the end, I'm happy with my vote where it is. If I've been bamboozled by Jay supatown, well played Jay. But seriously, marmot, you've been supatown too so well played to you, I think you are the one and I wouldn't have caught you if not for PoE. Whichever of you it is, you've played it exceptionally well.

It will be interesting to see where inh's lands, though. I'm not convinced he will necessarily follow me

#2443

For what it's worth, I'm not the big T.

#2444

Metalmarsh89 wrote:For what it's worth, I'm not the big T.

*votes Metalmarsh*

#2445

Y'all have made the right choice.

#2446

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Y'all have made the right choice.

For you.

#2447

Let this be a lesson to you all that JaggedJimmyJay is a sly, silver-tongued octopus, and that's why he's still alive today.

#2448

I may be on octopus, but it's the innocent and noble kind.

#2449

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Let this be a lesson to you all that JaggedJimmyJay is a sly, silver-tongued octopus, and that's why he's still alive today.

To be honest, if you didn't explicitly say that you weren't Trump, I may have voted 3J.

#2450

insertnamehere wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Let this be a lesson to you all that JaggedJimmyJay is a sly, silver-tongued octopus, and that's why he's still alive today.
To be honest, if you didn't explicitly say that you weren't Trump, I may have voted 3J.

I don't get the whole deal about Trump, and it's a little frustrating.

Why does it matter if I'm Trump or not?

#2451

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Let this be a lesson to you all that JaggedJimmyJay is a sly, silver-tongued octopus, and that's why he's still alive today.
To be honest, if you didn't explicitly say that you weren't Trump, I may have voted 3J.
I don't get the whole deal about Trump, and it's a little frustrating.

Why does it matter if I'm Trump or not?

Because I know Trump is in the game, and I know it's not me or Golden.

I doubt Trump is the Serial Killer, so...

#2452

insertnamehere wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Let this be a lesson to you all that JaggedJimmyJay is a sly, silver-tongued octopus, and that's why he's still alive today.
To be honest, if you didn't explicitly say that you weren't Trump, I may have voted 3J.
I don't get the whole deal about Trump, and it's a little frustrating.

Why does it matter if I'm Trump or not?
Because I know Trump is in the game, and I know it's not me or Golden.

I doubt Trump is the Serial Killer, so...

I'm not the Big T or the SK.

#2453

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Let this be a lesson to you all that JaggedJimmyJay is a sly, silver-tongued octopus, and that's why he's still alive today.
To be honest, if you didn't explicitly say that you weren't Trump, I may have voted 3J.
I don't get the whole deal about Trump, and it's a little frustrating.

Why does it matter if I'm Trump or not?
Because I know Trump is in the game, and I know it's not me or Golden.

I doubt Trump is the Serial Killer, so...
I'm not the Big T or the SK.

#2454

That's coo.

I'll sigbet that I am not the SK, nor am I presidential candidate Donald Trump, nor am I anything other than a normal townie, with anyone willing to take me up on it.

#2455

No takers? Well good game.

#2456

Also, go civs!

#2457

At least you had the pleasure of being thoroughly licked.

#2458

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:At least you had the pleasure of being thoroughly licked.

At least I wasn't alone.

#2459

DUMP-A-TRUMP JR.

"Good evening ladies and gentlemen, I'm Wolf Blitzer in the Situation Room. Our lead story tonight is Donald Trump. Reports are circulating that after a firey and expletive-laden speech in Ohio, the Republican nominee met with his Inner Circle once again behind closed doors.

"As we've reported all week long, rumors suggest chaos and paranoia running rampant in these closed-door meetings as a series of accidents have plagued the Trump team. Desperate for answers amid weaking performance in the polls, sources suggest that Trump has been cutting long-time allies and even members of his own family from his Inner Circle.

"Just minutes ago, a CNN source close to the campaign reported overhearing a heated debate in Mr. Trump's green room backstage. According to our source, Donald Trump Jr. stormed out of the green room and shouted at aides as he left the area. While this is not a confirmation that Mr. Trump's eldest son has been cut out of his father's most trusted group of advisers, it does seem to suggest that not all is well in the House of Trump.

"No polling data has come in yet since Mr. Trump's youngest daughter was injured in a highway accident or since this morning's apparent attempt on his life. One would assume these events would garner sympathy for the candidate and possibly even for his campaign but rather than wait to see if any polling bump materialized, Mr. Trump attacked these incidents head-on in today's speech.

"In blaming the political Left for everything that has happened to his team these past few days, does Donald Trump risk losing any remaining credibility but plunging headlong into conspiracy theories? Our panel of experts will discuss this in a moment.

"But first, Hillary Clinton's campaign released a statement after today's Trump event, saying, 'While our we condemn at alleged attacks upon any candidate and his or her campaign staff, the Mr. Trump's inability to keep his anger in check highlights once again that he is not fit to be President of the United States.' And now for our panel of experts..."

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Metalmarsh89 has been removed from the Inner Circle. He was DONALD TRUMP JR., a member of the Trump family and a vanilla civvie.

#2460

Rezz please.

#2461

Right, now how about the next host post.

#2462

THE CONFESSION

Ivanka Trump and her husband Jared Kushner returned to their hotel suite and slumped down on the couch together. Without hesitation, she grabbed the remote, turned the TV on, and started cycling through the new programs covering today's drama within the campaign.

"Don't you get tired of this?" Jared asked. "I mean, I know you want to help your dad and all but why relive the day through the snide commentary of all these idiots?"

"You know the drill, honey," she replied. "I've got to see what they're saying so we can hit back in the morning. Only two months to go and then it's all over. We can get our lives back then."

"And if he wins, what then? I mean, the kids are being raised by nannies and we haven't had a moment to just be us since before the convention. Do you really think this circus will all go away if he becomes president? Wouldn't he ask us to be on his White House staff? Can you honestly see yourself doing this for at least another four years and not losing your mind?"

"Well," Ivanka paused, "if it comes to that, we'll find a way through it."

"In that case," Jared said as he rose from the couch, "I need a drink. You want one?"

"Nothing alcoholic for me. I'm still pumping for Theodore. Is there any iced tea left?

"Sure," Jared said from the mini-fridge. He poured himself a double shot of whiskey, drank it, and steadied himself. He poured iced tea into another glass and pulled a vial from his pocket. A determined look crossed his face as he stared at the vial. He poured it into the iced tea and mixed it up. Letting out a heavy sigh, he walked back over to his wife.

"Here you go," he said, handing her the glass. She gulped most of hit down on the spot. "Easy," he joked, "that's the last of the iced tea. You're not pregnant anymore so if you want more you'll have to get it yourself."

She smiled back at him. "Two word- room service." They both laughed. Jared walked back for another shot of whiskey.

"You know," Ivanka said. "I have to confess that I didn't think dad had a chance at the very beginning. In fact," she yawned, "I don't think I was ever 100% convinced he could win it all. Does that make me a bad daughter?"

"No," Jared responded. "I mean, it's still all very incredible, right? You're dad coming out of nowhere to fend off a field of more supposedly more capable and qualified politicians? You can't write this kind of stuff."

"Truth is stranger than fiction," she said. She yawned again and laid her head back. "I may just fall asleep right here on the couch. I'm bushed."

"Well," Jared said, walking over to the couch, "I've got a confession to make too." He leaned down and whispered into her ear. "I'm not really your husband."

Ivanka opened her eyes wide but the sedative was already overpowering her. "What?" she murmured. She didn't even feel the prick of the needle as the imposter injected her with a fatal serum. He came around the couch, kissed her on the forehead, and looked her in the eyes.

"I'm not your husband and now I'm going to kill your father."

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insertnamehere has been killed. He was IVANKA TRUMP, a protector role capable of protecting members of the Trump family.

#2463

How about them apples.

#2464

INH is about to have some 'splaining to do. Y'all are baffling.

#2465

TRUMP GOES THUMP

Donald Trump had all but dozed off to sleep when a knock on the door gave him a start.

"Who is it?" he asked.

"It's Jared," a voice came from the other side of the door.

"Just a moment." Donald opened the door to see his son-in-law dress in dark clothes. "What are you going out for run in the dark or something?"

"You might say that," Jared replied. He handed Donald a folder. "Here's the daily dossier. Ivanka called it an early night."

"Good for her. You take good care of my daughter. I've always appreciated that about you. Loyalty is important."

Donald snickered as he read through his staff's review of the day. It featured the key points about both his campaign and Hillary's that were trending online and across the media spectrum.

"Look at this," Donald laughed, "all these rumors about Hillary's supposed health issues aren't going away. We should find a way to tap into this and make her confront it head-on. We'll have to keep an eye out for any signs of illness leading up to the debates and just drench her with it. I'm going to enjoy this."

"Not as much as I'm going to enjoy this," Jared said as he punched Donald right between the eyes. The presidential hopeful fell down in a surprised and angry heap.

"What the hell are you doing, Jared?"

"Something I've waited a long time for," Jared hissed as he kicked him in the face and ribs. He grabbed Donald by his comb-over and dragged him out onto the balcony of his luxury suite.

"Jared," Donald pleaded, sensing his fate, "I have always been good to you. Why are you doing this?"

The fake Jared grabbed Donald by the throat, lifted him up, and pressed him against the balcony railing.

"Because I'm not Jared Kushner."

"Then who the hell are you?"

The assassin flipped Donald over the railing. Donald tried his best to keep a tight grip on the railing with one hand and his attacker with the other.

"Am I high-energy enough for you now, Donald?" the man shouted. "Am I?"

"High-energy?" Donald muttered. "What the- Jeb?"

"That's right."

"Jeb are you insane?"

"No, Donald. I'm not insane. I just, as you would say, know people. Smart people. Rich people. People who will do anything to keep you off the ballot come November."

"Jeb, please don't do this. I'm begging you!"

"Grovelling will get you nowhere. Don't worry though. You may not get to be president but nobody is ever going to forget you now. Your death is going to be yuuuge."

With that, he let go and watched as Donald Trump fell dozens of stories to his death. Satisfied and his mission accomplished, he strolled back through Donald's suite and left the hotel in the most conspicuous way possible. Come morning, there would be a national manhunt for Jared Kushner but he would be long gone by then.

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JaggedJimmyJay has been assassinated. He was DONALD J. TRUMP, a role capable of protecting himself via his sycophants.

#2466

Golden 2.0 has won the game! He was JEB BUSH, a hired assassin...

...in disguise as JARED KUSHNER, Ivanka Trump's husband.

#2467

Sorry Jay, this one's on me.

#2468

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Sorry Jay, this one's on me.

No it isn't. This didn't have to happen.

Good game Golden.

#2469

oh come on

#2470

Well not entirely. I'm still looking at Survivor Man.

#2471

inh, did you actually learn something about leetic/Golden? His fake-role indicates that you two did have some sort of relationship, even if it wasn't accurate.

#2472

Just back luck, frankly. I was perfectly well onto Golden and only stopped when INH gave him the same treatment he received. That's not to blame INH though, perhaps his protections made him believe he had information somehow, or something else was in play. Shit happens.

#2473

Hopefully Trump's fate in this game will be reflected in the real election. Well, not assassination, but a loss.

#2474

I had BTSC with Leetic/Golden and didn't see this coming at all.

#2475

insertnamehere wrote:oh come on

Wait till you hear about this.

Yep, there it is.

#2476

insertnamehere wrote:I had BTSC with Leetic/Golden and didn't see this coming at all.

Did you have it all game long?

#2477

Spoiler: show

#2478

Yeah, there was definitely a lot of process of elimination this game. Golden was the process.

#2479

Frankly anyone who continues to crap on the concept of process of elimination is absolutely clueless.

#2480

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Frankly anyone who continues to crap on the concept of process of elimination is absolutely clueless.

Winless, too.

#2481

Ricochet wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Frankly anyone who continues to crap on the concept of process of elimination is absolutely clueless.
Winless, too.

I can't even count the number of wins I have piled up doing it.

#2482

Night 4, I kinda assumed that even if inh or Golden was the SK, they would form a voting block anyway, making it nye impossible to lynch one or the other.

I didn't think Jay was the SK, but I felt that all I could do was project that role onto him.

#2483

I don't blame INH at all if he was in BTSC with leetic/Golden. I think there are certain things that a townie shouldn't be expected to figure out, and that's one of them.

No slight on G-Man and no detraction on Golden's play. It's philosophy. It was obviously a fun game and it maintained a level of intensity from start to finish.

#2484

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Frankly anyone who continues to crap on the concept of process of elimination is absolutely clueless.
Winless, too.
I can't even count the number of wins I have piled up doing it.

Hooray for you.

#2485

I absolutely hated rolling mafia in two games while trying to balance all of this RL crap. It quickly became impossible to play either game without being the shittiest participant ever. Sorry, everyone, and sorry G-Man. Was really looking forward to this one, especially with being Epi's partner for once. Hopefully I can play the BLUE vs RED one.

#2486

FULL ROLE LIST:

DONALD J. TRUMP, the Republican nominee for President of the United States. You're a businessman, which means you delegate. Each night you get to pick one of four sycophants to shield you from harm. You won't know their role name or identity unless they die protecting you. You simply send me a PM stating which sycophant (1, 2, 3, or 4) you would like to use. If they do not die protecting you from a nightkill, the sycophant of your choice will then protect you from being lynched, getting lynched instead of you. The sycophants do not know about any of this. If/when you run out of sycophants to shield you, you become vulnerable to lynches and nightkills.

THE FOUR SYCOPHANTS

#1) DR. BEN CARSON, a Trump sycophant and a vanilla civvie.

#2) CHRIS CHRISTIE, a Trump sycophant and a vanilla civvie.

You are #3) MIKE HUCKABEE, a Trump sycophant and a vanilla civvie.

#4) RICK SANTORUM, a Trump sycophant and a vanilla civvie.

TRUMP STAFF AND FAMILY VANILLAS

KELLYANNE CONWAY, Donald Trump's campaign manager and a vanilla civvie.

MIKE PENCE, Donald Trump's Vice Presidential pick and a vanilla civvie.

DONALD TRUMP JR., a member of the Trump family and a vanilla civvie.

ERIC TRUMP, a member of the Trump family and a vanilla civvie.

MELANIA TRUMP, a member of the Trump family and a vanilla civvie.

JARED AND IVANKA

IVANKA TRUMP, a member of the Trump family. You are one of Donald Trump's most trusted children and advisers. You're strong bond to your family gives you the strength to protect them. Each night, you may protect one member of the Trump Family. This will keep them safe from nightkills on the night you send their name in. PM your protection choice by the end of the night phase, specifying which Trump family member (not a player name) that you wish to protect. You cannot protect anyone whose last name is not Trump, so you cannot protect your husband.

JEB BUSH, failed Republican candidate and an enemy of Donald Trump. You have been hired to assassinate Donald Trump by powerful Republican donors who will do anything to necessitate a substitute candidate for November. At night, you act as a serial killer. Each night, you may submit the name of any player you wish to kill. You will exit the game victorious if you kill Trump yourself. If the mafia kills him or he is lynched, you can only win the game by being the last man standing.

You are operating undercover as JARED KUSHNER, Ivanka Trump's husband. If pressed for information, you can tell her that you are in charge of Donald's security detail and you may select one of four Trump sycophants to die instead Trump if he is lynched or nightkilled. You and Ivanka have BTSC. Do not tell Ivanka or anyone else your real identity!

OPERATION COBALT

WES BOYD, a liberal activist and co-founder of MoveOn.org. In disguise as...

Spoiler: show

PAMELA BROWN, a low-level CNN reporter and member of the mainstream media. In disguise as...

Spoiler: show

SHAUN DONOVAN, The Director of the Office of Management and Budget in the Obama Administration.. In disguise as...

Spoiler: show

#2487

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:I had BTSC with Leetic/Golden and didn't see this coming at all.
Did you have it all game long?

Yep.

I guess I wasn't supposed to believe that part of my role description.

Just shows the perils of PoE to me.

#2488

Thank you all for playing. There was probably more involved in this game than a heist should have but I hope you all still had fun.

Beck / Quin 2.0 -----> MELANIA TRUMP
Boomslang------------>CHRIS CHRISTIE
DrWilgy 1.0----------->KELLYANNE CONWAY
Epignosis-------------->PAMELA BROWN / TIFFANY TRUMP
Golden 1.0------------>MIKE HUCKABEE
insertnamehere------->IVANKA TRUMP
JaggedJimmyJay----->DONALD J. TRUMP
leetic/Golden 2.0---->JEB BUSH / JARED KUSHNER
Metalmarsh89--------->DONALD TRUMP JR.
Quin 1.0--------------->ERIC TRUMP
reyawS/MP07--------->SHAUN DONOVAN / JIM MURPHY
Ricochet--------------->MIKE PENCE
S~V~S/DrWilgy2.0---->RICK SANTORUM
Scotty------------------>WES BLADE / MICHAEL GLASSNER
Sloonei----------------->BEN CARSON

#2489

I wonder how many times people tried to kill me.

#2490

DAY 0:
JJJ got to select one of the sycophants to protect him for the Day 1 lynch. He chose sycophant #1 (BEN CARSON / Slooeni)

NIGHT 1:
JJJ selected sycophant #2 (CHRIS CHRISTIE / Boomslang) to protect him.
INH protected MELANIA TRUMP (Beck)
Epignosis targeted and NK'd DrWilgy (CONWAY).
leetic targeted JJJ but Boomslang died in his place.

NIGHT 2:
JJJ abstained from using his power, so he was actually on the chopping block in the Day 3 lynch.
INH protected TIFFANY TRUMP (Epignosis)
Epignosis targeted and NK'd Golden 1.0 (HUCKABEE, aka sycophant #3)
leetic targeted and NK'd Ricochet (PENCE)

NIGHT 3:
JJJ selected sycophant #4 (RICK SANTORUM / DrWilgy 2.0) to protect him.
INH protected DONALD J. TRUMP (JJJ) but was superseded by JJJ's sycophant assignment.
Epignosis targeted JJJ but Wigly died in his place.
Golden 2.0 targeted and NK'd Epignosis (BROWN / fake TRUMP)

NIGHT 4:
JJJ selected sycophant #1 (CARSON / Sloonei) to protect him. Sloonei was the last sycophant remaining.
INH protected himself, IVANKA.
Golden 2.0 targeted JJJ but Sloonei died in his place.

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