RED vs. BLUE: Endgame

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Who is Trump's assailant?

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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Endgame

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Frankly anyone who continues to crap on the concept of process of elimination is absolutely clueless. ;)
Winless, too. :rolleyes:
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Endgame

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Night 4, I kinda assumed that even if inh or Golden was the SK, they would form a voting block anyway, making it nye impossible to lynch one or the other.

I didn't think Jay was the SK, but I felt that all I could do was project that role onto him.
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Endgame

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I don't blame INH at all if he was in BTSC with leetic/Golden. I think there are certain things that a townie shouldn't be expected to figure out, and that's one of them.

No slight on G-Man and no detraction on Golden's play. It's philosophy. It was obviously a fun game and it maintained a level of intensity from start to finish.
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Endgame

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Frankly anyone who continues to crap on the concept of process of elimination is absolutely clueless. ;)
Winless, too. :rolleyes:
I can't even count the number of wins I have piled up doing it.
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Endgame

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I absolutely hated rolling mafia in two games while trying to balance all of this RL crap. It quickly became impossible to play either game without being the shittiest participant ever. Sorry, everyone, and sorry G-Man. Was really looking forward to this one, especially with being Epi's partner for once. Hopefully I can play the BLUE vs RED one.
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Endgame

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DONALD J. TRUMP, the Republican nominee for President of the United States. You're a businessman, which means you delegate. Each night you get to pick one of four sycophants to shield you from harm. You won't know their role name or identity unless they die protecting you. You simply send me a PM stating which sycophant (1, 2, 3, or 4) you would like to use. If they do not die protecting you from a nightkill, the sycophant of your choice will then protect you from being lynched, getting lynched instead of you. The sycophants do not know about any of this. If/when you run out of sycophants to shield you, you become vulnerable to lynches and nightkills.


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#1) DR. BEN CARSON, a Trump sycophant and a vanilla civvie.


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#2) CHRIS CHRISTIE, a Trump sycophant and a vanilla civvie.


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#4) RICK SANTORUM, a Trump sycophant and a vanilla civvie.


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KELLYANNE CONWAY, Donald Trump's campaign manager and a vanilla civvie.


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MIKE PENCE, Donald Trump's Vice Presidential pick and a vanilla civvie.


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DONALD TRUMP JR., a member of the Trump family and a vanilla civvie.


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ERIC TRUMP, a member of the Trump family and a vanilla civvie.


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MELANIA TRUMP, a member of the Trump family and a vanilla civvie.


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IVANKA TRUMP, a member of the Trump family. You are one of Donald Trump's most trusted children and advisers. You're strong bond to your family gives you the strength to protect them. Each night, you may protect one member of the Trump Family. This will keep them safe from nightkills on the night you send their name in. PM your protection choice by the end of the night phase, specifying which Trump family member (not a player name) that you wish to protect. You cannot protect anyone whose last name is not Trump, so you cannot protect your husband.

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JEB BUSH, failed Republican candidate and an enemy of Donald Trump. You have been hired to assassinate Donald Trump by powerful Republican donors who will do anything to necessitate a substitute candidate for November. At night, you act as a serial killer. Each night, you may submit the name of any player you wish to kill. You will exit the game victorious if you kill Trump yourself. If the mafia kills him or he is lynched, you can only win the game by being the last man standing.

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You are operating undercover as JARED KUSHNER, Ivanka Trump's husband. If pressed for information, you can tell her that you are in charge of Donald's security detail and you may select one of four Trump sycophants to die instead Trump if he is lynched or nightkilled. You and Ivanka have BTSC. Do not tell Ivanka or anyone else your real identity!


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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Endgame

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:I had BTSC with Leetic/Golden and didn't see this coming at all.
Did you have it all game long?
Yep.

I guess I wasn't supposed to believe that part of my role description.

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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Endgame

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Thank you all for playing. There was probably more involved in this game than a heist should have but I hope you all still had fun.


Beck / Quin 2.0 -----> MELANIA TRUMP
Boomslang------------>CHRIS CHRISTIE
DrWilgy 1.0----------->KELLYANNE CONWAY
Epignosis-------------->PAMELA BROWN / TIFFANY TRUMP
Golden 1.0------------>MIKE HUCKABEE
insertnamehere------->IVANKA TRUMP
JaggedJimmyJay----->DONALD J. TRUMP
leetic/Golden 2.0---->JEB BUSH / JARED KUSHNER
Metalmarsh89--------->DONALD TRUMP JR.
Quin 1.0--------------->ERIC TRUMP
reyawS/MP07--------->SHAUN DONOVAN / JIM MURPHY
Ricochet--------------->MIKE PENCE
S~V~S/DrWilgy2.0---->RICK SANTORUM
Scotty------------------>WES BLADE / MICHAEL GLASSNER
Sloonei----------------->BEN CARSON
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Endgame

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I wonder how many times people tried to kill me.
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Endgame

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DAY 0:
JJJ got to select one of the sycophants to protect him for the Day 1 lynch. He chose sycophant #1 (BEN CARSON / Slooeni)

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JJJ selected sycophant #2 (CHRIS CHRISTIE / Boomslang) to protect him.
INH protected MELANIA TRUMP (Beck)
Epignosis targeted and NK'd DrWilgy (CONWAY).
leetic targeted JJJ but Boomslang died in his place.

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JJJ abstained from using his power, so he was actually on the chopping block in the Day 3 lynch.
INH protected TIFFANY TRUMP (Epignosis)
Epignosis targeted and NK'd Golden 1.0 (HUCKABEE, aka sycophant #3)
leetic targeted and NK'd Ricochet (PENCE)

NIGHT 3:
JJJ selected sycophant #4 (RICK SANTORUM / DrWilgy 2.0) to protect him.
INH protected DONALD J. TRUMP (JJJ) but was superseded by JJJ's sycophant assignment.
Epignosis targeted JJJ but Wigly died in his place.
Golden 2.0 targeted and NK'd Epignosis (BROWN / fake TRUMP)

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JJJ selected sycophant #1 (CARSON / Sloonei) to protect him. Sloonei was the last sycophant remaining.
INH protected himself, IVANKA.
Golden 2.0 targeted JJJ but Sloonei died in his place.
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Endgame

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Jay survived 3 NK's. Oh my word...
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?

The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
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That explains why you weren't nightkilled all game. :haha:
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?

The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Endgame

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G-Man wrote:
leetic targeted and NK'd Ricochet (PENCE)
Good sport, the only player who listened to me in this game. :beer:

Also, top kek, I would have subbed for my own killer - if I wouldn't have rejected the offer, that is. Blissful.
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Endgame

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Oops. I forgot the Ivanka protections. Just added them to that list.

FUN FACTS:
I did not expect my three power roles to make it all the way to the end of the game. That was wild.

Had JJJ ever died, it would have (hopefully) become apparent to INH that leetic/Golden was the serial killer, as there are only three power roles allowed in a heist game. I'm surprised JJJ didn't try to milk that more / at all. Also, had INH ever died, JJJ should have become wise to leetic/Golden given the early suspicion of a BTSC unit outside of the mafia.

Lawrence O'Donnell, the Operation Cobalt operative mentioned in the Day 0 post was actually supposed to be in the game as a role. Then the real Paul Manafort resigned from Trump's campaign during sign-ups, so I went scrambling for another option. Tiffany Trump was originally a civvie but I added Conway as Manafort's replacement from the campaign staff. Rather than make Conway a baddie, I thought it made more sense for a secret operation to replace someone who's been involved longer. Thus, Tiffany became a baddie in disguise. I liked how it made it possible for Ivanka to protect a baddie. Sure enough, it happened!

I chose all of the Operation Cobalt operatives because they share a passing resemblance with their aliases. I picked Manafort, Glassner, and Murphy and looked for liberals / media people who looked enough like them. In real life, that would give plastic surgeons a solid foundation to build upon.

Operation Cobalt didn't even exist until partway through Day 1. There was a baddie team but I didn't have a name for them. I came up with it quickly, knowing that cobalt is used as both a catalyst and to create blue pigments. Operation Cobalt wasn't originally going to be tasked with killing Trump because they wanted him alive. The mafia really just wanted to make sure they outnumbered the rest of the Inner Circle so they could continue to lead Trump down a path of crazy to cost him the election. I was originally going to task the mafia with not killing Trump but then I realized that it was a near-impossible task to ask of them. That's when I changed the lynches and NK's from true kills to other means of neutralizing the roles. Lynches knocked them out of the Inner Circle and NK's incapacitated them somehow.

The Ivanka-Jared BTSC was an idea I had very late on. Originally, Jared was going to be a civvie and they really would have BTSC. Then I added the serial killer. I wavered on that. I wasn't sure if a serial killer was allowed in a heist format. Indie role, yes, but an indie role that could kill? I wasn't sure but I added one anyway but then I realized that I had four power roles- Trump, Jeb, Ivanka and Jared technically because him having BTSC has an impact on the game. So I merged Jeb and Jared together. Sure enough, in real life, they are the same height.

While I can totally understand the frustration of being tricked by a civvie-SK BTSC pairing, I fell in love with the idea. I don't recall if I ever saw that sort of thing before and it added an extra layer of deception to it all. Leetic was submitting kills but not posting or voting, so I felt like I had to replace him. I don't know how much I expected INH to question leetic or Golden 2.0 but I think INH was just glad to have someone to talk to when Golden subbed in. It would have been fascinating to watch that BTSC relationship ebb and flow all game long but it just didn't work out that way.

I have always supported coin flips to determine lynch poll ties up until now. The JJJ v. reywaS lynch was a critical point in the game and it essentially sealed a loss for Operation Cobalt (especially since Golden NK'd Epi right out of the gate after subbing in as the SK). I do best-out-of-seven for my coin flips. reywas lost the first two, then JJJ lost one, and then reywaS lost the next two to seal his fate. I was very worried that there would be a tie on Day 5. Had JJJ and MM89 rallied on Golden instead of turning on each other, that tie vote would result in a coin flip that determined the game. I would have hated that. As such, I am now adopting Epi's tie vote = no lynch philosophy. Votes matter. Coin flips suck.

Had Jeb been lynched or NK'd, I had a line ready. Ivanka was going to say something along the lines of "well that explains why the sex has been so low-energy lately." :P



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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Endgame

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Woot! Only vanilla player to make it to LYLO.
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I am curious to hear why Sloonei was nightkilled.
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Endgame

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Metalmarsh89 wrote:I am curious to hear why Sloonei was nightkilled.
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Re: RED vs. BLUE: Endgame

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Donald Trump had all but dozed off to sleep when a knock on the door gave him a start.

"Who is it?" he asked.

"It's Jared," a voice came from the other side of the door.

"Just a moment." Donald opened the door to see his son-in-law dress in dark clothes. "What are you going out for run in the dark or something?"

"You might say that," Jared replied. He handed Donald a folder. "Here's the daily dossier. Ivanka called it an early night."

"Good for her. You take good care of my daughter. I've always appreciated that about you. Loyalty is important."

Donald snickered as he read through his staff's review of the day. It featured the key points about both his campaign and Hillary's that were trending online and across the media spectrum.

"Look at this," Donald laughed, "all these rumors about Hillary's supposed health issues aren't going away. We should find a way to tap into this and make her confront it head-on. We'll have to keep an eye out for any signs of illness leading up to the debates and just drench her with it. I'm going to enjoy this."

"Not as much as I'm going to enjoy this," Jared said as he punched Donald right between the eyes. The presidential hopeful fell down in a surprised and angry heap.

"What the hell are you doing, Jared?"

"Something I've waited a long time for," Jared hissed as he kicked him in the face and ribs. He grabbed Donald by his comb-over and dragged him out onto the balcony of his luxury suite.

"Jared," Donald pleaded, sensing his fate, "I have always been good to you. Why are you doing this?"

The fake Jared grabbed Donald by the throat, lifted him up, and pressed him against the balcony railing.

"Because I'm not Jared Kushner."

"Then who the hell are you?"

The assassin flipped Donald over the railing. Donald tried his best to keep a tight grip on the railing with one hand and his attacker with the other.

"Am I high-energy enough for you now, Donald?" the man shouted. "Am I?"

"High-energy?" Donald muttered. "What the- Jeb?"

"That's right."

"Jeb are you insane?"

"No, Donald. I'm not insane. I just, as you would say, know people. Smart people. Rich people. People who will do anything to keep you off the ballot come November."

"Jeb, please don't do this. I'm begging you!"

"Grovelling will get you nowhere. Don't worry though. You may not get to be president but nobody is ever going to forget you now. Your death is going to be yuuuge."

With that, he let go and watched as Donald Trump fell dozens of stories to his death. Satisfied and his mission accomplished, he strolled back through Donald's suite and left the hotel in the most conspicuous way possible. Come morning, there would be a national manhunt for Jared Kushner but he would be long gone by then.



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Metalmarsh89 wrote:I am curious to hear why Sloonei was nightkilled.
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JJJ selected sycophant #1 (CARSON / Sloonei) to protect him. Sloonei was the last sycophant remaining.
INH protected himself, IVANKA.
Golden 2.0 targeted JJJ but Sloonei died in his place.
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This game would have made more sense if Jay hadn't been so supatown. :P
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Lol at rico, epi and inh still moaning about the PoE.

The PoE is why I was able to win. It's why I killed epi (I figured Wilgy would be lynched and one of the two had to be the last mafia).

PoE is going to be much harder to use to find a serial killer, but if Jay was actually killable, it wouldn't matter... the game would have been over and the town would have won with 6 or 7 of us left out of 12. That was the PoE at work.

I figured Jay was Trump from the moment I subbed back in, given I knew Boomslang died in his place. It was confirmed when sloonei died in his place. I believe the rest of the town could have won with me if I just could have killed him! But I couldn't.

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Sloonei wrote:At least I got this one right! It was the only way Wilgy 2.0's death made sense.
It was the only way your death made sense too. Jay did very well at never letting on for a second that he understood why these odd deaths were happening.
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insertnamehere wrote:I had BTSC with Leetic/Golden and didn't see this coming at all.
Did you have it all game long?
Yep.

I guess I wasn't supposed to believe that part of my role description.

Just shows the perils of PoE to me.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Just back luck, frankly. I was perfectly well onto Golden and only stopped when INH gave him the same treatment he received. That's not to blame INH though, perhaps his protections made him believe he had information somehow, or something else was in play. Shit happens.
Question...

If inh and I never had btsc, and therefore I was not obliged to read him as strong town, do you think you would have been on to me?
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Golden, if 3J was lynched Day 3, would you have tried to go after Epi and Rey?
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insertnamehere wrote:Golden, if 3J was lynched Day 3, would you have tried to go after Epi and Rey?
Rey, Wilgy, Epi. Yep. I think I would have pushed for Wilgy first, though, but I might have been in the same position as Jay where MM actually decided who went more than I did. I still would have killed epi too.

I probably would have gone after you at that point too if I hadn't known you were town, but it's hard for me to know for sure.
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Btw - I do get why people hate the concept of PoE, don't get me wrong. It seems very callous. And I'd never use it in a big role madness game, it wouldn't translate. It only works in a little heist game where most people are vanilla. so in that sense it really doesn't mesh with our old school STV/RM sensibilities at all.
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Cool stuff, G-Man, I think it's clear how much detail and purpose you've put into the theme, the roles and the flavor - about the same kind I like to pigment my own designs, as much as possible. I wouldn't say there are any issues with a villanous third party role - in theory, anything could have happened to him, from Day 1 till endgame, it just happened to achieve a maximum potential this time. I also designed the Reaper in Triskaidekaphobia as an exiter, so I think that side of it is also cool beans, but in that case it was a benign role simply because I would have exceeded the 3-limit rule by giving it something to actually do within the game.

That being said, I do have two topics of inquiry that I sense could morph into issues:

1) if there is any actual explanation to the faux-flips we've seen in the case of the mafia team? I mean, I've read something above about baddies in disguise and plastic surgery, but... is flavor all it was to it? If so, I'd say the issue is when flavor would affect the dynamic of the game and the effects on the players. I think I remember at least one instance in which a fake mislynch reveal caused players to end up at each other's throat over it, after which the real reveal made one side emerge justified and victorious and one side looking, erm, poopy.

Of course, the kerkuffle happened to be between a civilian and a mafioso, so my case is not completely strong, since the mafia side probably faked being so berating, still, overall, I'm inclined to think lynch reveals are meant to deliver the facts straight up and particularly make the civilians face up either the successfulness or the misguided nature of their endeavour. It's clear you did not design any seemer / temp seemer / something alike, which to justify legit flip fakery, so yeah, I'd say Host shenanigans in revealing endphase results should be kept at a low.

2) Now that you've disclosed it, I confess that I find the "Leetic was submitting kills but not posting or voting, so I felt like I had to replace him." slightly questionable. Part of that is due to the fact that I don't think you designed or even alluded to the fact that not posting would eventually consistute a game offence deserving removal or replacement - maybe I've missed it, but I don't see it. Then, a preliminary question would be if you contacted leetic to ask if his method is intentional.

All in all, believe me, I'm probably the #1 inactive hater, precisely because of how they can borderline force the civ pack to have to simply remove them in order to extract a read out of them (or just leave them be and potentially suffer the consequences), but the way you phrased it, leetic was clearly not out of orbit, and it is left as interpretable if he was carrying a tactic with his inactivity or not. Which makes the replacement, at least from the deity-approach to hosting (I think Epignosis coined it?), not a clean intervention.
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So 3J getting lynched would have probably resulted in a civ win.

Just something to chew on...
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insertnamehere wrote:So 3J getting lynched would have probably resulted in a civ win.

Just something to chew on...
Nah, I had to nightkill him or I went full last man standing.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I am content to act on the assumption that the serial killer killed Epignosis with the intention of removing a townie. Credit to Epignosis to looking the part (perhaps a little too well :p). With this in mind, I think the kill would be less likely to come from someone who was in good standing with Epi. This would be a decent look for Golden 2.0 -- he and Epi had their disagreements, but it never took the form of Epi suspecting Golden. I might even say that from the perspective of a SK Golden, he'd have had Epi pocketed. I don't believe Epi ever cast meaningful suspicion upon Sloonei either -- just an isolated :ponder: about his Day 1 CFDing.

I can't remember off-hand what Epi's take was on MM and Becquin. I'll have to look.
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That wasn't my intention. I wanted to spar with Scotty some and vote for him for a while, and I never expected his lynch to take off the way that it did. But he flat out contradicted himself, and I didn't feel like making up a reason to vote somebody else. His goofing up, like thinking the day had ended when there was another 24 hours, also didn't help.

But it was good fun preemptively pissing on process of elimination. :meany:
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Wilgy was right at one point and this is all that matters.

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Ricochet wrote:Cool stuff, G-Man, I think it's clear how much detail and purpose you've put into the theme, the roles and the flavor - about the same kind I like to pigment my own designs, as much as possible. I wouldn't say there are any issues with a villanous third party role - in theory, anything could have happened to him, from Day 1 till endgame, it just happened to achieve a maximum potential this time. I also designed the Reaper in Triskaidekaphobia as an exiter, so I think that side of it is also cool beans, but in that case it was a benign role simply because I would have exceeded the 3-limit rule by giving it something to actually do within the game.

That being said, I do have two topics of inquiry that I sense could morph into issues:

1) if there is any actual explanation to the faux-flips we've seen in the case of the mafia team? I mean, I've read something above about baddies in disguise and plastic surgery, but... is flavor all it was to it? If so, I'd say the issue is when flavor would affect the dynamic of the game and the effects on the players. I think I remember at least one instance in which a fake mislynch reveal caused players to end up at each other's throat over it, after which the real reveal made one side emerge justified and victorious and one side looking, erm, poopy.

Of course, the kerkuffle happened to be between a civilian and a mafioso, so my case is not completely strong, since the mafia side probably faked being so berating, still, overall, I'm inclined to think lynch reveals are meant to deliver the facts straight up and particularly make the civilians face up either the successfulness or the misguided nature of their endeavour. It's clear you did not design any seemer / temp seemer / something alike, which to justify legit flip fakery, so yeah, I'd say Host shenanigans in revealing endphase results should be kept at a low.
The faux-flips were a kind of fusion of the game thread and the narrative element. It's a bridging element that was never (to my recollection) a part of either Lostpedia or STV games, so I would say it's something I came up with on my own. Two factors contributed to this mechanic's inclusion in the game. One, in college I did theatre and one of my favorite acting decision stories is the one that just got recycled when Gene Wilder died. When he first appears as Willie Wonka, he appears cold and weak, gimping along with a cane, only to stumble and surprise everyone with a spry and happy demeanor. Gene Wilder would only take the part if he could present Wonka in this way because, if his first appearance to the audience was a lie, then the audience would never be able to take his actions at face value through the rest of the film. It's brilliant on his part and on some level, I wanted to keep you guys guessing and on the edge of your seat throughout the game so it made sense to feed you a red herring for a little while.

I knew early on, though that I had to be deliberate about the actual reveal. I didn't want to drop it all 11th hour on you guys because that impacts the game too much. While the reveals after the lynches were six or so hours removed from the lynch post, it would have only been an hour or two from the events of the lynch post in the narrative universe where this game only takes 6 days to run its course. I allowed Epi's NK reveal to run even longer because day phases are 48 hours.

The second factor was that within the narrative, Operation Cobalt operatives would never just confess that they're spies after getting kicked out of the Inner Circle. It would take time (a la Barron's interrogations) to bring out the truth. The same goes for Epi's NK. I decided that since it would take time in real life (or the narrative) to bring these shenanigans to light, then it should take time in the game thread for the truth to come out.

To be completely honest, it' probably 50% me trying to use a mechanic that I think is clever and relevant to the political thriller genre the game morphed into and 50% me trying to work around the 3-power role limit for heist games. I understand from a player's perspective that those red herrings are frustrating, especially if you have momentum going on a theory and you come to learn that you just "wasted" your time on it because of a delayed reveal. My previous games hosted on TP all contained some kind of frustrating elements that I myself would hate to have to deal with as a player. I can empathize and understand if you think it's something best left out of future games.

Ricochet wrote:2) Now that you've disclosed it, I confess that I find the "Leetic was submitting kills but not posting or voting, so I felt like I had to replace him." slightly questionable. Part of that is due to the fact that I don't think you designed or even alluded to the fact that not posting would eventually consistute a game offence deserving removal or replacement - maybe I've missed it, but I don't see it. Then, a preliminary question would be if you contacted leetic to ask if his method is intentional.

All in all, believe me, I'm probably the #1 inactive hater, precisely because of how they can borderline force the civ pack to have to simply remove them in order to extract a read out of them (or just leave them be and potentially suffer the consequences), but the way you phrased it, leetic was clearly not out of orbit, and it is left as interpretable if he was carrying a tactic with his inactivity or not. Which makes the replacement, at least from the deity-approach to hosting (I think Epignosis coined it?), not a clean intervention.
Part of me wants to say I am justified in my actions because leetic hasn't posted anywhere on this site since August 28th but I recognize that I was sloppy in assembling my rules for the game. I should have put something out there explaining what could trigger an automatic replacement and I failed to do so. Because leetic was not posting or voting, I sent night PM reminders to all my power roles (I communicated with Epi/the mafia via the BTSC thread). On Night 2, I did inform him that if he did not post or vote during Day 3, I would replace him. He sent in his kill request and did not say anything about my ultimatum.

I was also prepared to replace reywaS if he survived the tied lynch though I don't know if I warned him that it might be coming. He lost the coinflip though, so it's a moot point there. I will be more specific in future games about participation standards. While I respect the existence of the P-Score system devised on this site, I have yet to really see it enforced hardcore, so I have no way to judge its effectiveness as a deterrent to low or no participation. I have a system where missing votes and not posting gets you penalty votes but I thought it would threaten the balance of an already small game like heists are supposed to be. I don't know what the answer is to the low and no participation issue.

One problem I know I had was that I rushed the game into action with zero prospective replacements in queue. That was dangerous and it bit me. I had to resurrect dead players back into the game and we all know that doing so sucks for baddies who work hard to get rid of particular players for one reason or another.

I believe that I would have pressed a vanilla inactive much in the same way as I did leetic because, especially in heist games, inactivity can be a game-changer. I tried hard not to be too meddlesome as a host. I did that in a game I hosted long ago, coaxing a baddie role to use a power and it helped expose them and may have helped bring down the entire team as a result. It's a constant battle to carry all the excitement of being the omniscient host with nobody to share it all with.

Thanks for the input! I have to agree in part to both of your points. I certainly did venture into a grey area with this game. Next time I will strive to be more clear-cut.
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This was one of the most stressful games I've ever played, but it was also one of the most fun. :nicenod: I felt out of my element.

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Golden wrote:Lol at rico, epi and inh still moaning about the PoE.

The PoE is why I was able to win. It's why I killed epi (I figured Wilgy would be lynched and one of the two had to be the last mafia).

PoE is going to be much harder to use to find a serial killer, but if Jay was actually killable, it wouldn't matter... the game would have been over and the town would have won with 6 or 7 of us left out of 12. That was the PoE at work.

I figured Jay was Trump from the moment I subbed back in, given I knew Boomslang died in his place. It was confirmed when sloonei died in his place. I believe the rest of the town could have won with me if I just could have killed him! But I couldn't.

Sorry for lynching you MM.
I was planning to drop snark on the basis of the first two paragraphs - noice first person use in the second btw > "PoE is a town weapon with which I, non-town individual, managed to win"; u-huh - but then I reflected more on the latter three ones. It seems there was a valid combo-win scenario available, which in hindsight also nuances just what kind of a "serial killer" the role was - town usually needs it removed to achieve peace, so to speak, plus this role was primarly a wincon grabber, allowing it to flee upon achieving said wincon. Did the Host anticipate this third potential outcome? Not confirmed. I don't remember Epignosis having been on your PoE, but I didn't really checked on any updates since Cycle 2. I acknowledge that you ended up taking care of the remaining Mafia before one last attempt to achieve your independent win con. PoE at work? Not sure how a hunt method can be validated when you apply it via kills, based on powers only you have, but whatevs. Did this make you an incidental town vigi, for a sec? Who knows. What isn't changed by any of these factors is how, during the last phase, you shifted this use of civ weapon to misguide and serve your win. This is not validation. It's clear cut proof of its corruptibility.
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This isn't the first time Golden died early on and subbed back into the game for a baddie role to give us all a thorough licking...
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Golden wrote:Lol at rico, epi and inh still moaning about the PoE.

The PoE is why I was able to win. It's why I killed epi (I figured Wilgy would be lynched and one of the two had to be the last mafia).

PoE is going to be much harder to use to find a serial killer, but if Jay was actually killable, it wouldn't matter... the game would have been over and the town would have won with 6 or 7 of us left out of 12. That was the PoE at work.

I figured Jay was Trump from the moment I subbed back in, given I knew Boomslang died in his place. It was confirmed when sloonei died in his place. I believe the rest of the town could have won with me if I just could have killed him! But I couldn't.

Sorry for lynching you MM.
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It is inherently corrupted by invisible uncommon power roles to be sure, but the reason I was able to do it was only by forcing mm and Jay into reaching mechanical conclusions that were wrong. As Jay said earlier, it's silly to expect it to be utterly infallible. Where it's benefit lies, is in coming as a town to collective town read conclusions that enable you to narrow the field.

what my power was in this case wasn't important - what is important is not lynching outside of the poe. It's true you might clear baddies, it's not infallible. But what it is, is something that increases town win percentage overall in these types of games.

If I was to put it another way, it would be this... It's about not pursuing a tinfoil read in a situation where you can accept there are good logical reasons for others to read them as town, running with consensus town reads and lynching people who don't have that, even if the suspicion isn't active.
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Metalmarsh89 wrote:In hindsight, there was nothing I could have done on Day 5 to change my fate (that I know of).
Well, I was legitimately trying to lynch the person that I thought there was the best case against, and at times I felt that was Jay. It's always easier for me to play these situations if I forget I'm the bad guy and imagine I'm hunting for real. At times, I thought Jay might end up being my vote, but in the end the arguments against him being bad were stronger.
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Won't requote the whole thing, but all clear, G-Man, thanks for going over those points. (y)
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Also, I did see myself as town win compatible. If I just could have killed Jay, I would have suggested lynching me. The town deserved to win, in my view (and golden 1.0 would have won too, I guess!)
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There was no way for me to know that my being killed would allow for a combined win. It's a bastard game in that regard because it meantthat I was harming my own win chance just by using my role. I'd have never used it on Night 4 if I'd known. I used it because it stood a chance of eliminating a suspect (it did with Sloonei).

Town didn't lose this game because of "PoE". INH was never going to realize his game-long BTSC partner was not on his team. There's nothing he can do about that, and the game effect was evident.

This is not to gripe about the setup. It made for a fun twist and that suits the narrative. It's not to take away from Golden either. I'd definitely prefer he win in that role than a guy with 3 posts. Usually when town loses though I feel it's the result of a town failure. This time I don't. Just the way it goes.
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Golden wrote:It is inherently corrupted by invisible uncommon power roles to be sure,
No, we're talking non-civilian forces. What part of there being a serial killer was "invisible" and "uncommon"? Least to speak of baddies themselves. It's not rocket science, really. "Hey guys let's gather our reads into PoE"... said the wolf. It wasn't the case, this game. It'll be one day.
Golden wrote: but the reason I was able to do it was only by forcing mm and Jay into reaching mechanical conclusions that were wrong. As Jay said earlier, it's silly to expect it to be utterly infallible.
Didn't follow D5 in depth. Justification of the method doesn't influence the point made, though.
Golden wrote:Where it's benefit lies, is in coming as a town to collective town read conclusions that enable you to narrow the field.
Ok this is the part where I'll bring to attention that your idea of "coming as a town to collection town" was to 1) simply agree with Sloonei about the charges brought towards Scotty on Day 1, then 2) simply state that "you agree with Jay's PoE", hence it becoming your PoE. Sure, you elaborated once inquired, but as far as I recall, this was the basic gist of your first two phases. You call it "coming as a town to collectiveness", but it was really borderline wagoning. And then you started acting like the voice of the nation in regards to the path of light that is the PoE, which was further enraging. Don't grab and wave the banner, just like that, especially if your methods are about as basic as wearing an "I'm with =====>" T-Shirt. Sit back down at the table and compare notes. I gave the example straight away back then: Boomslang's death being a relief for you (since PoE) wasn't the same relief for me (since no suspicions on him, plus town deficit created: one lynch, two deaths). There was nothing remotely "collective" in this death, for instance, being treated as good PoE reduction.
Golden wrote: what my power was in this case wasn't important - what is important is not lynching outside of the poe. It's true you might clear baddies, it's not infallible. But what it is, is something that increases town win percentage overall in these types of games.
So far, it's zero percent. Only way is up, though, so that's good.
Golden wrote: If I was to put it another way, it would be this... It's about not pursuing a tinfoil read in a situation where you can accept there are good logical reasons for others to read them as town
Epignosis would have been a good instance to tinfoil. Of course, I'm not going to pretend I tinfoiled him at any point. His vote move looked real clean. Besides, I never implied tinfoil being the path towards light at any point; it's just a look at what might be. Also, good logical reasons to read them as town? Cool. Let's do good logical reasons for mafia, as well, then. "I suspect X because I have nothing with which to townread him - and that happens to be 60% of my must-be-bad category?"... *tommy lee stare*
Golden wrote:running with consensus town reads
run run run awaaaaa- oh wait what is consensus? From two people? Uhm.
Golden wrote: and lynching people who don't have that, even if the suspicion isn't active.
Witchhunt. Doesn't sound too kosher.
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Yes, it is possible for a PoE to be corrupted by a bad guy. Nobody denied that.

Until I am shown a single town strategy that isn't susceptible to making a bad read, I don't care. Nothing is perfect. If people don't prefer the strategy, that's fine. To dismiss the strategy entirely and beg to be nightkilled because other people are using it is something else.
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And the strategy is not at 0% on The Syndicate. It's been used a ton, just not under the term "PoE".
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Town didn't lose this game because of "PoE". INH was never going to realize his game-long BTSC partner was not on his team. There's nothing he can do about that, and the game effect was evident.
The point was never that the loss was caused by PoE. Such a conclusion was not reached, due to third party handling the last mafia member.

As for INH, whilst this is in no way an implication regarding what he could have done, I'm noticing that, if he received his role card the way it's written in post-game, there isn't a mention that he has BTSC. Lover role cards usually go both ways. :ninja:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:And the strategy is not at 0% on The Syndicate. It's been used a ton, just not under the term "PoE".
I didn't say 0% on Syndicate.
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It's not 0% in any subforum either. :meany:
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Question about the town win condition. What is it and did we achieve it?
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Golden wrote:Also, I did see myself as town win compatible. If I just could have killed Jay, I would have suggested lynching me. The town deserved to win, in my view (and golden 1.0 would have won too, I guess!)
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Look, Rico, I'm not here to sell you a bill of goods. The PoE strategy is proven over thousands of games from other mafia cultures, and it worked here perfectly.

I'm not trying to convince you to change your game style, and I doubt I'll play more heist games because they aren't really my jam, so do whatever you want with it.
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